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Published: Apr 20, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-04-20 21:38:39 by Critter
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Ain't seen that shilly dimwit for a bit. Did he get canned for inferior shilliness?
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#1. To: Critter (#0)
he's licking his wounds at LP.
He's going to wear his tongue out. He got lots of wounds here. hehehe
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#2. To: litus (#1)
he's licking his wounds at LP.
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
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#3. To: Critter, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve (#2)
lolol!! O_I, FL, TT, and many others got him "but good". fofl!
He's going to wear his tongue out. He got lots of wounds here. hehehe
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#4. To: Critter (#0)
He mentioned the other day on elPee that the computer Thought Police at his work station block this site for whatever reason. Must be a bunch of anarchists here or sumpin'. So I don't think he can visit here during the normal workday. I think I can find the post and put it here.
#5. To: Critter (#2)
9. To: mininggold (#7) Quick question...why do you seem so sane here and not so much there...? For some reason, btw, I am getting blocked from that website here at work and our filter is not that strong... war posted on 2009-04-17 13:37:10 ET
#6. To: Fred Mertz (#4)
I shudder to think what a normal work day is for war. I any case right now he is busy scolding Marguerite over there. 13: Only articles reporting events within the last 48 hours are to be posted in "Breaking News", and only articles reasonably free of commentary should be posted there. LP management has sole discretion over fitness for Breaking News posting. war posted on 2009-04-20 16:01:42 ET Reply Trace A match made in heaven.
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#7. To: Critter (#0)
Ain't seen that shilly dimwit for a bit. Did he get canned for inferior shilliness? He may have been canned. He really embarrassed his handlers.
#8. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#7)
Let's see if he's still awake tonight...
#9. To: randge (#6)
Shillin' for "the man" and lovin' every minute of it. At least that is how it appeared.
I shudder to think what a normal work day is for war.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#10. To: Fred Mertz (#8)
He may have been transferred to Tibet or Mongolia.
Let's see if he's still awake tonight...
#11. To: Critter, Christine (#0)
Oooops......I forgot to mention he posted to me over on LP that his password here doesn't work.
Ain't seen that shilly dimwit for a bit. Did he get canned for inferior shilliness?
#12. To: All (#11)
Oh that's right it's his filter at work. I've been out in the hot sun all day since noon so please excuse my memory lapse.
Oooops......I forgot to mention he posted to me over on LP that his password here doesn't work.
#13. To: Fred Mertz (#4)
That is to bad...indeed! He will missed if the issue isn't resolved.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
#14. To: mininggold (#12)
which is it, password or filter? ;)
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
#15. To: christine, mininggold (#14)
Neither. It is his balls. He lost them.
which is it, password or filter?
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
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#16. To: Fred Mertz, war (#4)
So he steals from his employer by posting here while he is being paid to work? Now how can we believe anything a thief says here?
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
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#17. To: litus, Critter, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#3)
He didn't have a whole lot to say about those 660+ engineers and architects who question the 9/11 report. In fact, since it directly and absolutely proved his assertions wrong, it appears he put his tail between his legs and ran off.
O_I, FL, TT, and many others got him "but good".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#18. To: Fred Mertz (#4)
A face saving lie I'm sure. He was posting here throughout the day when he was active here over the past several weeks.
He mentioned the other day on elPee that the computer Thought Police at his work station block this site for whatever reason. Must be a bunch of anarchists here or sumpin'.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#19. To: christine, all (#14)
Filter...I had to convince IT that your site is a legitimate news source. But thanks everyone for caring!!!
which is it, password or filter? ;)
#20. To: Critter (#16)
I'm a broker under contract which means that all of my expenses come out of my P&L and I am responsible for my own P&L> But thanks for caring!!!!
So he steals from his employer by posting here while he is being paid to work?
#21. To: Critter (#15)
Chuckles...in your dreeams, eunuch...
Neither. It is his balls. He lost them.
#22. To: TwentyTwelve (#10)
No, Jonsie....the truth is still here...
He may have been transferred to Tibet or Mongolia.
#23. To: Critter (#0)
LOL! I thought you were talking about the war in Iraq. Honestly, I haven't missed him. He probably did what I suggested to him. That is to tell his superiors that we are too smart for him and to find him a forum with lower average IQ per member to shill on. Shouldn't be too hard, most of the rest would be in that category.
God is always good!
#24. To: RickyJ (#23)
Yea...that's what they did...uh-huh...just to durn clever fer me you are RickyJ...
#25. To: Critter (#2)
Well...oddly missing is any kind of well, wound, but it could just be that I am pronouncing it incorrectly...
. He got lots of wounds here.
#26. To: randge (#6)
That would bother me if not for the fact tnat ANY normal work day makes you shudder...
I shudder to think what a normal work day is for war.
#27. To: litus (#3)
You actually found that witty? POP QUIZ: Elvis...alive or dead?
lolol!!
#28. To: war (#27)
How will you bet Win Willy in the Derby? Win only? Across the board? Exacta wheel? The amount doesn't matter just the method. Thanks.
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#28)
Up to 100 across for up to 300 total...my usual Derby Bet...we'll see how firm feel...least I'll bet is 50...
How will you bet Win Willy in the Derby? Win only? Across the board?
#30. To: war (#29)
This year's Derby is wide open. I'm pretty sure a double-digit odds horse will win. I wish I knew which one.
#31. To: war, Critter (#27)
You actually found that witty? Oui!!
He's going to wear his tongue out. He got lots of wounds here. hehehe
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#32. To: FormerLurker, Critter, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#17)
No, he hasn't, has he?!
He didn't have a whole lot to say about those 660+ engineers and architects who question the 9/11 report. In fact, since it directly and absolutely proved his assertions wrong, it appears he put his tail between his legs and ran off.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#33. To: litus (#32)
Why would I overweight what less than 1% of the total of their combined fields have to say versus underweighting the OVERWHELMING majority... Gee 600 out of 100K...
#34. To: war (#33)
You're back? We heard that .gov might have transferred you to Tibet or Mongolia. Are you on probation?
Why would I .........
#35. To: TwentyTwelve (#34)
No. We heard that .gov might have transferred you to Tibet or Mongolia. How many of "you" make a "we"? Are you on probation? Never been convicted...
You're back?
#36. To: war, litus (#33)
Got some firm numbers on that shillster, or are you just pulling that 100K figure out of your ass as usual? Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings. I won't hold my breath.
Why would I overweight what less than 1% of the total of their combined fields have to say versus underweighting the OVERWHELMING majority... Gee 600 out of 100K...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#37. To: war, Fred Mertz, Critter, mininggold, litus, randge, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, christine (#5)
Quick question...why do you seem so sane here and not so much there...? For some reason, btw, I am getting blocked from that website here at work and our filter is not that strong... war posted on 2009-04-17 13:37:10 ET 69.55.11.240/cgi-bin/read...i? ArtNum=261782&Disp=9#C9 Hey war, I thought you said you couldn't access this site, you were getting blocked???
9. To: mininggold (#7)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#38. To: war, FormerLurker, litus (#36)
Support your claim war.
(war) Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.
#39. To: litus (#31)
After you read your first non-picture book you may feel differently...
Oui!!
#40. To: TwentyTwelve (#38)
How many enginners are there?
Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.
#41. To: war, Former_Lurker (#40)
How many enginners are there? Proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.
Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.
#42. To: TwentyTwelve (#41)
The proof is on this thread, moron. There aren't even 600 of them who object to it... Math is an issue with you?
#43. To: war (#42)
Spelling is an issue with you?
Math is an issue with you?
#44. To: TwentyTwelve (#43)
I'll take that for an "obviously Math is an issue"....
Spelling is an issue with you?
#45. To: war (#44)
tcm.bloodhorse.com/derby_dozen. asp Check out the encouraging comments on your colt.
#46. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
WIN WILLY!!!! Shame what happened to Old Fashioned, eh?
#47. To: war (#46)
Yeah, 40 bucks down the drain on one of my Future Wager tickets.
#48. To: Fred Mertz (#47)
Any further word on that colt?
#49. To: war (#48)
He'll heal and live a long and happy life, but he won't race again. I think he'll become a sire/stud in his next life. I envy him.
#50. To: war (#48)
Rick Porter, owner of former leading three- year-old Old Fashioned, announced on Tuesday that the colt has been retired. Old Fashioned underwent surgery Tuesday morning to repair a fractured knee the horse suffered during the running of the $1 million Arkansas Derby at Oaklawn Park last Saturday. "The surgery went very well this (Tuesday) morning," Porter said in a statement. "Dr. (Larry) Bramlage told me that it would be almost impossible for him to return to anywhere near his level as a racehorse. After my discussion with Dr Bramlage, I decided to retire him. I am not sure if I will stand him myself in Kentucky next year or possibly Florida." Old Fashioned began 2009 atop the list of Kentucky Derby contenders and solidified his ranking by winning the Southwest Stakes at Oaklawn Park. However, he lost the Rebel Stakes to Win Willy after having the lead at the top of the stretch. The loss to Papa Clem in the Arkansas Derby came after the favorite set the pace to the stretch in the 1 1/8 mile race. Larry Jones trained the three-year-old to a career mark of four wins in six starts for $583,280, Jones also conditions Kentucky Derby contender Friesan Fire who is the Louisiana Derby champ. www.miamiherald.com/sport...racing/story/1000711.html I'm keeping an eye on Friesan Fire lately.
Retirement announced for Old Fashioned
#51. To: war (#26)
Every normal work day for me is a wonder, and inspiration and always a lesson in human nature.
That would bother me if not for the fact tnat ANY normal work day makes you shudder...
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#52. To: war, TwentyTwelve (#40)
Doesn't matter. What DOES matter is the number of them that have spoken out on the topic and what they have said. There are over 660 that don't believe the 9/11 Commission findings, and feel that there needs to be a full investigation into the events that occured that day. Many if not most of those engineers (and architects) don't believe that the towers fell as claimed by the official story, and feel that they were brought down by controlled demolition. Now, find a valid report that lists the number of engineers and architects that DO approve of the 9/11 Commission findings. I don't want you to guess or make up a number, I want an official list of those that agree.
How many enginners are there?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: war (#44)
I'll take that for an "obviously spelling is an issue"....
#54. To: war, TwentyTwelve, litus, Original_Intent, Fred Mertz, RickyJ, randge (#42)
Proof? What, your question as to how many engineers are there in the world is supposed to be PROOF? You don't have ANY proof of how many approve of the 9/11 Commission findings, you just made up a number and tried to say there is that many because there MIGHT be that many in the world, and since they haven't publically made a statement concerning their thoughts, well then by gosh they must agree with the official story. What a dishonest cretin you are. As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um. Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN. 660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report
The proof is on this thread, moron. There aren't even 600 of them who object to it...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#53)
Hell, war can't even spell "engineer" never mind count how many there are that approve of the 9/11 Commission findings...
I'll take that for an "obviously spelling is an issue"....
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: FormerLurker, war, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, Fred Mertz, RickyJ, randge (#54)
Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN. that makes three times; I saw the other two times you posted them to war (not including the different link I also posted to war concerning another architects and engineers group).
As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#57. To: litus (#56)
It's like someone going around telling people that there aren't really 12 eggs in a dozen, even after being shown countless times how many there are in a box.
that makes three times; I saw the other two times you posted them to war (not including the different link I also posted to war concerning another architects and engineers group).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: FormerLurker (#57)
It goes way beyond a denial problem.
It's like someone going around telling people that there aren't really 12 eggs in a dozen, even after being shown countless times how many there are in a box.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#59. To: FormerLurker, Litus, Original_Intent (#54)
660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report War just keeps ignoring this!
Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN.
#60. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#59)
660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report War just keeps ignoring this! why would that be do you suppose??
Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#61. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#58)
It goes way beyond a denial problem. hmmm... "Way beyond denial" is a strong indication of possible mental damage and/or severe psychological disorders.
It's like someone going around telling people that there aren't really 12 eggs in a dozen, even after being shown countless times how many there are in a box.
#62. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#61)
I agree. Maybe he's smokin' sumpin.
"Way beyond denial" is a strong indication of possible mental damage and/or severe psychological disorders.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#63. To: FormerLurker, war, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, Fred Mertz, RickyJ (#54)
But I do know that the official explanation doesn't hold water. An open, honest re-opening of the case is in order. A near majority of Americans agrees with this view. Let us keep pressing for an honest investigation." - David A. Johnson Just off the top of the list: 660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report Richard Gage, AIA, Architect – Member, American Institute of Architects. A practicing Architect for 20 years who has worked on most types of building construction including numerous fire-proofed steel-framed buildings. Founding member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Speech at Sonoma State University 4/20/07: "Another 2006 poll by Scripps Howard, Ohio University, which found that a shocking 16% believe that the World Trade Center's Twin Towers were brought down by explosives. Unfortunately, my research has also concluded that this is true. Tonight I will present to you the very clear evidence that all three World Trade Center high-rise buildings, the Twin Towers and Building 7 were destroyed not by fire as our government has told us, but by controlled demolition with explosives." http://ae911truth.org/aboutus.php David A. Johnson, B.Arch, MCP (City Planning), PhD (Regional Planning), F.AICP – Internationally recognized architect and city and regional planner. Professor Emeritus, Department of Urban and Regional Planning, University of Tennessee. Former Professor and Chair of the Planning Departments at Syracuse University and Ball State University. Elected Fellow, American Institute of Certified Planners (2004). Past President of the Fulbright Association of the United States. Recipient of five Fulbright Scholarships for continued education in Cyprus, India, Thailand, and the Soviet Union. Directed educational projects in Brazil and Portugal. Active in reconstruction efforts in Bosnia and bicommunal peace-making in Cyprus. Former professional planner on the staffs of the Washington National Capital Planning Commission and the Regional Plan Association of New York. Former editorial board member of the Journal of the American Planning Association. Author of numerous journal articles on urban and regional planning theory and history. Author of Planning the Great Metropolis (1996). Co-author of The TVA Regional Planning and Development Program (2005). Contributing author to Two Centuries of American Planning (1988). Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition: "I was dubious of the official explanations from the outset. You see, as a professional city planner in New York, I knew those buildings and their design. I attended and participated in the hearings at the New York City Hall when the buildings were first proposed. I argued for the buildings on the basis that the interior core represented a way of internalizing the cost of mass transit, which in our system is almost impossible to finance through public bond issues. So I was well aware of the strength of the core with its steel columns, surrounding the elevators, and stairwells. I should also mention that with a degree in architecture and instruction in steel design (my Yale professor had worked on the Empire State Building) I was and am no novice in structural design. When I saw the rapid collapse of the towers, I knew that they could not come down the way they did without explosives and the severing of core columns at the base. The spewing of debris from the towers where the planes entered also could not have occurred simply with just a structural collapse. Something else was happening to make this occur. Moreover, the symmetrical collapse is strong evidence of a controlled demolition. A building falling from asymmetrical structural failure would not collapse so neatly, nor so rapidly, as you have pointed out. What we are faced with is a lie of such proportions that even to suggest it makes one subject to ridicule and scorn. Who could have done such a terrible thing? Certainly not our government or military. Rogue elements in the intelligence agencies? I have no idea. But I do know that the official explanation doesn't hold water. An open, honest re-opening of the case is in order. A near majority of Americans agrees with this view. Let us keep pressing for an honest investigation." http://www.ae911truth.org H. Theodore Elden, Jr., B.Arch, AIA – Practicing licensed architect in West Virginia for over 25 years. Now retired. Graduate of Carnegie Mellon University. Member, American Institute of Architects, West Virginia Chapter. Appointed Member of West Virginia State Board of Architects. Former Member, National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB), and Member, National Committee, Intern Development Program for Architects (IDP). Professional photographer. Letter to American Institute of Architects 11/26/06: "The primary duty of registered professionals is to protect the public safety. Professionals' intelligence, knowledge and experience provide a delicate connection between science and fact. ... 9-11 was a tragic event for our country, quickly “solved” by our government and propagated by our media, leading our country into fear, anguish, anger, war and unrestrained spending. Have we, as building professionals, been hoodwinked? Who should better understand the collapse of the World Trade Towers than those in our profession, possibly with the consultation of demolition experts? As I and millions have reviewed the events of that day, it seems much of the cover story is not true and impossible. As the nation is confused on the reality of that day, have we been making bad decisions ever since? My web site collects salient information that isolates the demise of the World Trade Towers – linking many experienced, dedicated and articulate technical analysis that show clearly that the World Trade Towers were destroyed by internal explosives and not "fires from the airlines". ... After hundreds of hours of research, and thousands of dollars purchasing materials and information, this letter outlines my most salient, articulate examples of things that architects should investigate. If I err slightly in any single item, that does not discount this letter. On the contrary, even if only part of these accusations are true, they should be investigated." http://www.abodia.com/911
"What we are faced with is a lie of such proportions that even to suggest it makes one subject to ridicule and scorn. Who could have done such a terrible thing? Certainly not our government or military. Rogue elements in the intelligence agencies? I have no idea.
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#64. To: randge (#63)
That website has an incredible list of highly distinguished experts and professionals who people like war are trying to belittle and silence.
Just off the top of the list: 660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: litus (#56)
Former Lurker is on bozo...is he still trying to post to me? As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um. Tell your fellow Moonie here that the comment referred to "engineers" and not "engineers and architects".
#66. To: randge (#63)
There are 125K enginners in the professional organization that assisted both FEMA and NIST in the 9/11 report. Furtermore, that same organization, used the 9/11 report to formulate standards that would try to immunize buildings from the type of damage and catastrophe that occurred on 9/11. Based upon the silliness that I have seen out of you Moonbats, I really do not expect you to see how stupid it is to point to barely 600 out of 125THOUSAND...
#67. To: Fred Mertz (#50)
Thanks...
#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#53)
Fine...I can't spell and you can't understand how not even 600 out of 125THOUSAND is nothing... Agreed?
I'll take that for an "obviously spelling is an issue"....
#69. To: war, FormerLurker (#65)
War, that's not what I recall. You used engineers, architects, police, firemen...in your demand to produce even one group... You were provided two groups of engineers and architects (one by me, whereupon you then made additional demands of that group), and the reposting now 3 times by FormerLurker....
Tell your fellow Moonie here that the comment referred to "engineers" and not "engineers and architects".
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#70. To: litus (#69)
Apples and oranges Moonbat...there is not ONE professional organization that existed prior to 9/11 that has proclaimed the attack anything other than what it was. Moonbats congregating thereafter most certainly does not qualify.
You used engineers, architects, police, firemen...in your demand to produce even one group...
#71. To: war (#70)
See. This is what you do. You make a demand, then when it's met, you make further stipulations. When that's met, then you make further stipulations. WTH is wrong with you?
there is not ONE professional organization that existed prior to 9/11 that has proclaimed the attack anything other than what it was.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#72. To: litus (#71)
No Moonbat...it's what YOU do...argue in circles...your "group" is not a peer recognized organization of professionals but simply a gaggle of Moonbats congregating around a single issue that is peripheral to their profession. The fact that the membership is less than 1% of the organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports should have been your first clue. INstead, it's one of several clues that you are cluesless.
See. This is what you do.
#73. To: war (#72)
you mean the joke commission report? That COMMISSION? The commission that put forth an inadequate report, leaving out information, refusing to have witnesses come forth that would say anything different than their agenda. That commission's report? You're the joke.
organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#74. To: litus (#73)
You didn;t address the issue. But I'm not surprised.
#75. To: war (#70) (Edited)
That proves your case doesn't it? Those professional groups prior to 9/11 are just so smart. We need no more professional groups ever becasue they are experts on everything that is "non-moonbat" for eternity. No other post 9/11 groups can qualify unless they don't say 9/11 was an inside job. Still yet the evidence the towers were blown up doesn't give a crap about what professional groups say or don't say at any time throughout history, now, or in the future.
there is not ONE professional organization that existed prior to 9/11 that has proclaimed the attack anything other than what it was.
God is always good!
#76. To: RickyJ (#75)
Those same groups still exist, RickyJ. You've never been accused of being "sharp" for anything more than a fart have you?
Those professional groups prior to 9/11 are just so smart.
#77. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#73)
you mean the joke commission report? That COMMISSION? war still believes the .gov Commission Report? ROTFLMAO
organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports
#78. To: war (#76)
Which proves what? Mental institutions still exist. Psychopaths still exist that existed before 9/11 too. You have made no point numbskull, but yet you think you have.
Those same groups still exist, RickyJ.
God is always good!
#79. To: war (#74) (Edited)
The issue has been addressed. Your demands were met, and met again. That you keep moving the target and not addressing the information stated by the engineers and architects in their report that was posted to you, the very information that you demanded, is what isn't surprising.
You didn;t address the issue. But I'm not surprised.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#80. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#73)
you mean the joke commission report? That COMMISSION? The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie 911Truth.org ::::: The 9/11 Truth Movement organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports
... www.911truth.org, so long as the full source URL (">http://www.911truth.
www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404 - 47k - Jan 23, 2007 -
#81. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#77)
ROTFLMAO hehehehe!
war still believes the .gov Commission Report?
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#82. To: ALL (#0)
Nothing happened to WAR, it goes on forever
#83. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#73)
you mean the joke commission report? That COMMISSION? The 9/11 Commission: A Play on Nothing in Three Acts 911Truth.o rg ::::: The 9/11 Truth Movementorganization that assisted in the 9/11 reports
ACTIVISM RESOURCES. What's happening in US Legislature? Text of bills, roll call votes, full information at www.thomas.gov ...
www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006090610003242 - 38k -
#84. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#73)
you mean the joke commission report? That COMMISSION? The following Veteran National Security experts were turned away, ignored, or censored by the 9/11 Commission, even though they had direct and relevant information related to the Commission’s investigation: John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI - Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response. His name and contact information was provided to the Commission as a key witness by other witnesses, but he was never contacted or interviewed. John Vincent, Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. Vincent worked for the FBI for 27 1/2 years before retiring in 2002. He worked his last 8 years in counterterrorism in the FBI’s Chicago Field Office. Mr. Vincent, along with Robert Wright, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases, and certain warnings they had tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Although he was granted an interview, the commissioners’ investigators refused to let him provide them with information related to his case and the 9/11 terrorists network; they insisted on limiting the interview to only administrative and irrelevant questions and issues. Robert Wright, Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. Wright is a veteran special agent in the FBI Chicago Field Office Counterterrorism Unit. He had been investigating a suspected terrorist cell for three years, when he was informed in January 2001 that the case was being closed. Agent Wright, along with Mr. Vincent, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases and certain warnings they’d tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Three months before September 11, Wright wrote a stinging internal memo charging that the FBI was not interested in thwarting a terrorist attack, but rather "was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred." The FBI refused to allow Wright to testify before the 9/11 Commission, however, the Commission did not insist or attempt to subpoena Wright; despite the fact that it had subpoena power. Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist; FBI - Ms. Edmonds worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Turkey, Iran, and Turkic speaking Central Asian countries. She contacted the 9/11 Commission in May 2003 and requested a meeting to provide them with information directly related to the terrorist attack. The Commission investigators refused to meet with Edmonds and informed her that due to their limited resources and time they were not going to interview all witnesses. She was able to provide the commission with information and documents only after certain 9/11 family members intervened directly. Ms. Edmonds’ testimony was completely censored by the Commission. Behrooz Sarshar, Former Language Specialist; FBI - Mr. Sarshar worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan. He had first-hand information of prior specific warning obtained from a reliable informant in April 2001 on the terrorist attacks of September 11. Mr. Sarshar contacted the Commission directly but was refused. He was given an interview with the Commission investigators only after 9/11 family members intervened directly. Mr. Sarshar’s documented testimony was completely omitted from the commission’s final report, despite his case being publicly confirmed by Director Mueller’s Office. Mike German, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. German served sixteen years as an FBI Special Agent and is one of the rare agents credited with actually having prevented acts of terrorism before it became the FBI's number one priority. He contacted the Commission in the spring of 2004, but did not receive a response. In 2002 he reported gross mismanagement in a post 9/11-counterterrorism investigation, which included serious violations of FBI policy and federal law. Mr. German contacted the 9/11 Commission during its investigation and requested that he be given an interview session in order to provide them with certain domestic counterterrorism investigations that he’d pursued. According to Mr. German there were links between certain domestic and international counterterrorism related to the September 11 attacks. The 9/11 Commissioners refused to acknowledge his request and never interviewed him. Gilbert Graham, Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence; FBI - Mr. Graham worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office Counterintelligence Division until 2002. In February 2004 his name and contact information were provided to the Commission as a key witness with information pertinent to the Commission’s investigation. The 9/11 Commission refused to follow up and never contacted Mr. Graham. Coleen Rowley, Retired Division Counsel; FBI - In May 2002, Coleen Rowley, as the Division Counsel at the FBI Minneapolis Office, blew the whistle on the FBI’s failure to pursue Zacarias Moussaoui’s case prior to 9/11, despite all attempts made by the Minneapolis division counterterrorism agents. She reported that FBI HQ personnel in Washington, D.C., had mishandled and neglected to take action on information provided by her division. Despite her high-profile case the commission chose not to interview Ms. Rowley. According to Ms. Rowley, no one from the FBI Minneapolis Office (several Agents had direct information) was ever asked to provide testimony, information, to the 9/11 Commission. Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA - Colonel Shaffer provided the Commission with detailed information on intelligence and pre warning information obtained by his unit’s data mining project, Able Danger. The 9/11 commission staff received not one but two briefings on Able Danger from Mr. Shaffer and his former team members, yet did not pursue the case, did not follow up on this documented report and refused to subpoena the relevant files. Mr. Shaffer’s testimony, together with other witnesses who corroborated his testimony and information, were censored by the 9/11 Commissioners and never made it to its final report. Dick Stoltz, Retired Special Agent; ATF- Mr. Stoltz, a veteran undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, had played an important role in Operation Diamondback between 1998 and 2001. The sting operation involved a group of Middle Eastern men living in New Jersey who were caught on tape in an ATF weapons sting conspiring to buy millions of dollars of weapons including components for nuclear bombs. The case came to a screeching halt with the arrest of only a handful of suspects in June of 2001 even though there was ample evidence that some of the people who were attempting to buy these weapons had connections with the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden himself. The 9/11 Commission refused to contact Agent Stoltz despite all attempts made by several witnesses from the intelligence & Law Enforcement Communities, and the 9/11 Family group, Jersey Moms. Bogdan Dzakovic, Former Red Team Leader; FAA - Mr. Dzakovic had worked for the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration since 1987 as a Special Agent, as a Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshals, and from 1995 until September 11, 2001 was a Team Leader of the Red Team (terrorist team). Mr. Dzakovic had tried for several years prior to the 9-11 attacks to improve aviation security in the face of the ever-increasing terrorist threat. He provided the 9/11 Commission with his testimony and documented reports. His testimony and report to the Commission was completely omitted from the final report. Linda Lewis, Retired Emergency Programs Specialist; USDA - Ms. Lewis worked for 13 years evaluating and coordinating federal, state and local preparedness for nuclear, radiological and chemical weapons emergencies. Prior to September 11, 2001, she had reported numerous inadequacies and dysfunctions in emergency preparedness, including a culture of intimidation that discouraged federal evaluators from reporting inadequacies in state and local plans and preparedness. USDA officials had thwarted her efforts to bring in terrorism experts to help the agency prepare for attacks on federal buildings, including bio-weapons attacks such as the anthrax attacks of 2001. In vain, she had urged FEMA officials to develop a national emergency communications plan and require interoperability of federally funded emergency communications equipment. In the absence of these preparations, New York City firefighters and police officers were unable to communicate critical information on September 11 at the World Trade Center. Ms. Lewis contacted the Commission and offered to provide information regarding dysfunctional government preparedness, but the Commission never responded. Mark Burton, Senior Analyst; NSA – Mr. Burton served as an all-source threat analyst in NSA’s Information Assurance Directorate (IAD) for most of his 16-year career. He was the editor of IAD’s premier threat document; the 300+ page ISSO Global Threat Summary, and was an adjunct faculty member at NSA’s National Cryptologic School. He provided dozens of pages of relevant information to the 9/11 Commission, but was completely ignored and never asked to testify. The above list does not include many others from the intelligence and law enforcement communities who had similarly contacted or reported to the commission but had been either turned away or censored, and of course many others’ who are still working within these agencies and are fearful of making their identities known, due to the relentless pursuit of and retaliation against whistleblowers by government agencies. About National Security Whistleblowers Coalition National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC), founded in August 2004, is an independent and nonpartisan alliance of whistleblowers who have come forward to address our nation’s security weaknesses; to inform authorities of security vulnerabilities in our intelligence agencies, at nuclear power plants and weapon facilities, in airports, and at our nation’s borders and ports; to uncover government waste, fraud, abuse, and in some cases criminal conduct. The NSWBC is dedicated to aiding national security whistleblowers through a variety of methods, including advocacy of governmental and legal reform, educating the public concerning whistleblowing activity, provision of comfort and fellowship to national security whistleblowers suffering retaliation and other harms, and working with other public interest organizations to affect goals defined in the NSWBC mission statement. For more on NSWBC visit www.nswbc.org © Copyright 2006 National Security Whistleblowers Coalition http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006090610003242
organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports
#85. To: RickyJ, war (#78)
.and the .gov shills existed before 911.
Which proves what? Mental institutions still exist. Psychopaths still exist that existed before 9/11 too. You have made no point numbskull, but yet you think you have.
#86. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#84)
The following Veteran National Security experts were turned away, ignored, or censored by the 9/11 Commission, even though they had direct and relevant information related to the Commission’s investigation:...
JOKE 9/11 COMMISSION
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#87. To: RickyJ (#78)
That no professional society of engineers or architects has disputed the 9/11 reports... 1
Which proves what?
#88. To: litus (#79)
No they weren't. The target has not been moved. But I don;t expect that to stop you from stomping your feet and holding your breath,
Your demands were met, and met again.
#89. To: TwentyTwelve (#84)
According to you Moonbats it was an inside job...how could it be a terror attack?
Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001.
#90. To: TwentyTwelve (#84)
You, yourself have ssaid that the planes were simply a diversion.
Coleen Rowley, Retired Division Counsel; FBI - In May 2002, Coleen Rowley, as the Division Counsel at the FBI Minneapolis Office, blew the whistle on the FBI’s failure to pursue Zacarias Moussaoui’s case prior to 9/11, despite all attempts made by the Minneapolis division counterterrorism agents. She reported that FBI HQ personnel in Washington, D.C., had mishandled and neglected to take action on information provided by her division. Despite her high-profile case the commission chose not to interview Ms. Rowley. According to Ms. Rowley, no one from the FBI Minneapolis Office (several Agents had direct information) was ever asked to provide testimony, information, to the 9/11 Commission.
#91. To: war, TwentyTwelve (#90)
Of course they were. They camoflauged the sounds of explosions, as well as much of the other visual signs from the controlled demolition. It wasn't an "either or" event. They both happened. Duh.
You, yourself have ssaid that the planes were simply a diversion.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#92. To: war, litus, TwentyTwelve, RickyJ, Orignal_Intent, randge, Fred Mertz (#65)
What a brave thing to do little man, hide behind the filter yet continue to spread your venom and lies here on this forum. It's awfully funny you respond directly to me at times when you wish to launch insults and lies, yet totally ignore my posts when I post proof and facts which you claim doesn't exist. You're just a little weasle playing a little game here. The game is called trolling. Somebody tell war that he is lying. In post 42 war responds to TwentyTwelves' post 41... How many enginners are there? TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-04-21 13:22:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #42. To: TwentyTwelve (#41) The proof is on this thread, moron. There aren't even 600 of them who object to it... Math is an issue with you? war posted on 2009-04-21 13:26:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply It's obvious that war is playing a dishonest little game here. He asks people for a hard count of how many engineers and architects oppose the official 9/11 story (on another thread), is shown the answer twice on that thread, then claims that he never saw the information.. THEN he makes up a number, claims that there are that many who side with the government story, with ZERO proof of the number he fabricated and ZERO evidence that number of people would side with the government story. Then he tries to play word games as to whether he was talking about apples, oranges, or apples and oranges. It's obvious that war is enjoying trolling this forum.
Former Lurker is on bozo...is he still trying to post to me?
Tell your fellow Moonie here that the comment referred to "engineers" and not "engineers and architects".
#41. To: war, Former_Lurker (#40)
Post some proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.
Proof that there are 100K engineers and architects who approve of the 9/11 Commission's findings.
The original comment on this thread pertaining to engineers and architects was made by me in post 17 He didn't have a whole lot to say about those 660+ engineers and architects who question the 9/11 report. In fact, since it directly and absolutely proved his assertions wrong, it appears he put his tail between his legs and ran off.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#93. To: war (#89)
You love to twist words around don't you shillster...
According to you Moonbats it was an inside job...how could it be a terror attack?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: war, randge (#66)
Prove it. And what exactly is an enginner anyways? Does he sweep the floor for ENGINEERS?
There are 125K enginners in the professional organization that assisted both FEMA and NIST in the 9/11 report.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: FormerLurker, war, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#92)
It's obvious that war is enjoying trolling this forum. Completely obvious.
Then he tries to play word games as to whether he was talking about apples, oranges, or apples and oranges.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#96. To: litus (#91)
ROFLMAO...hold on, hold on...I need to make popcorn...
They camoflauged the sounds of explosions...
#97. To: litus (#95)
ALWAYS milk a laugh...
Completely obvious.
#98. To: litus (#95)
IS FL trying to post to me still? He does know he's on filter?
#99. To: litus (#91)
Chuckles...and if the hijakings were somehow thwarted...what was "Plan B"?
They both happened.
#100. To: war, FormerLurker (#98)
As FL pointed out, that only happens after you demand he post information to you...then, back he goes onto your filter.
IS FL trying to post to me still? He does know he's on filter?
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#101. To: war (#98)
Hey troll, I know that you read my posts and more than likely don't really have me on bozo. Why would you have me on bozo, is it that I made your little head hurt with so many facts that you can't or don't want to understand?
IS FL trying to post to me still? He does know he's on filter?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#102. To: FormerLurker, war (#101)
lolol!
Why would you have me on bozo, is it that I made your little head hurt with so many facts that you can't or don't want to understand?
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#103. To: war (#99)
Don't you remember, they "were" in PA? Where's the remains of the Plane?? Some believe it was taken out via missile. You're too easy, war.
if the hijakings were somehow thwarted...what was "Plan B"?
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#104. To: litus (#100)
I last posted to him on 4/14 as I saw that post PRIOR to signing in...before that I hadn't posted to him in 2 weeks. When I am signed in...I cannot see his posts...thanks to the "CHECK PING" function here...I don't have to wade through nonsense...so, if I am not signed in, I sign in first and then hit check pings... Regardless, it doesn;t matter whether it's you, FL, Jonsie or whomever...you coninutally ignore reality...you raise faux or meaningless objections - as this latest one is...as if I wouldn't realize that a fringe group of architects and engineers who banded together for the sole purpose of being Moonbats and whom all of YOU Moonies cite here, banded together for the purpose of being...wait for it...Moonbats...
#105. To: litus (#103)
Where are the remains of the AirTran plane that caught fire and crashed into the Everglades?
#106. To: war (#66)
DEBUNKING THE 911 OMISSION REPORT: The following Veteran National Security experts were turned away, ignored, or censored by the 9/11 Commission, even though they had direct and relevant information related to the Commission’s investigation: John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI - Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response. His name and contact information was provided to the Commission as a key witness by other witnesses, but he was never contacted or interviewed. John Vincent, Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. Vincent worked for the FBI for 27 1/2 years before retiring in 2002. He worked his last 8 years in counterterrorism in the FBI’s Chicago Field Office. Mr. Vincent, along with Robert Wright, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases, and certain warnings they had tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Although he was granted an interview, the commissioners’ investigators refused to let him provide them with information related to his case and the 9/11 terrorists network; they insisted on limiting the interview to only administrative and irrelevant questions and issues. Robert Wright, Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. Wright is a veteran special agent in the FBI Chicago Field Office Counterterrorism Unit. He had been investigating a suspected terrorist cell for three years, when he was informed in January 2001 that the case was being closed. Agent Wright, along with Mr. Vincent, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases and certain warnings they’d tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Three months before September 11, Wright wrote a stinging internal memo charging that the FBI was not interested in thwarting a terrorist attack, but rather "was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred." The FBI refused to allow Wright to testify before the 9/11 Commission, however, the Commission did not insist or attempt to subpoena Wright; despite the fact that it had subpoena power. Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist; FBI - Ms. Edmonds worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Turkey, Iran, and Turkic speaking Central Asian countries. She contacted the 9/11 Commission in May 2003 and requested a meeting to provide them with information directly related to the terrorist attack. The Commission investigators refused to meet with Edmonds and informed her that due to their limited resources and time they were not going to interview all witnesses. She was able to provide the commission with information and documents only after certain 9/11 family members intervened directly. Ms. Edmonds’ testimony was completely censored by the Commission. Behrooz Sarshar, Former Language Specialist; FBI - Mr. Sarshar worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan. He had first- hand information of prior specific warning obtained from a reliable informant in April 2001 on the terrorist attacks of September 11. Mr. Sarshar contacted the Commission directly but was refused. He was given an interview with the Commission investigators only after 9/11 family members intervened directly. Mr. Sarshar’s documented testimony was completely omitted from the commission’s final report, despite his case being publicly confirmed by Director Mueller’s Office. Mike German, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI - Mr. German served sixteen years as an FBI Special Agent and is one of the rare agents credited with actually having prevented acts of terrorism before it became the FBI's number one priority. He contacted the Commission in the spring of 2004, but did not receive a response. In 2002 he reported gross mismanagement in a post 9/11- counterterrorism investigation, which included serious violations of FBI policy and federal law. Mr. German contacted the 9/11 Commission during its investigation and requested that he be given an interview session in order to provide them with certain domestic counterterrorism investigations that he’d pursued. According to Mr. German there were links between certain domestic and international counterterrorism related to the September 11 attacks. The 9/11 Commissioners refused to acknowledge his request and never interviewed him. Gilbert Graham, Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence; FBI - Mr. Graham worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office Counterintelligence Division until 2002. In February 2004 his name and contact information were provided to the Commission as a key witness with information pertinent to the Commission’s investigation. The 9/11 Commission refused to follow up and never contacted Mr. Graham. Coleen Rowley, Retired Division Counsel; FBI - In May 2002, Coleen Rowley, as the Division Counsel at the FBI Minneapolis Office, blew the whistle on the FBI’s failure to pursue Zacarias Moussaoui’s case prior to 9/11, despite all attempts made by the Minneapolis division counterterrorism agents. She reported that FBI HQ personnel in Washington, D.C., had mishandled and neglected to take action on information provided by her division. Despite her high-profile case the commission chose not to interview Ms. Rowley. According to Ms. Rowley, no one from the FBI Minneapolis Office (several Agents had direct information) was ever asked to provide testimony, information, to the 9/11 Commission. Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA - Colonel Shaffer provided the Commission with detailed information on intelligence and pre warning information obtained by his unit’s data mining project, Able Danger. The 9/11 commission staff received not one but two briefings on Able Danger from Mr. Shaffer and his former team members, yet did not pursue the case, did not follow up on this documented report and refused to subpoena the relevant files. Mr. Shaffer’s testimony, together with other witnesses who corroborated his testimony and information, were censored by the 9/11 Commissioners and never made it to its final report. Dick Stoltz, Retired Special Agent; ATF- Mr. Stoltz, a veteran undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, had played an important role in Operation Diamondback between 1998 and 2001. The sting operation involved a group of Middle Eastern men living in New Jersey who were caught on tape in an ATF weapons sting conspiring to buy millions of dollars of weapons including components for nuclear bombs. The case came to a screeching halt with the arrest of only a handful of suspects in June of 2001 even though there was ample evidence that some of the people who were attempting to buy these weapons had connections with the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden himself. The 9/11 Commission refused to contact Agent Stoltz despite all attempts made by several witnesses from the intelligence & Law Enforcement Communities, and the 9/11 Family group, Jersey Moms. Bogdan Dzakovic, Former Red Team Leader; FAA - Mr. Dzakovic had worked for the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration since 1987 as a Special Agent, as a Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshals, and from 1995 until September 11, 2001 was a Team Leader of the Red Team (terrorist team). Mr. Dzakovic had tried for several years prior to the 9-11 attacks to improve aviation security in the face of the ever-increasing terrorist threat. He provided the 9/11 Commission with his testimony and documented reports. His testimony and report to the Commission was completely omitted from the final report. Linda Lewis, Retired Emergency Programs Specialist; USDA - Ms. Lewis worked for 13 years evaluating and coordinating federal, state and local preparedness for nuclear, radiological and chemical weapons emergencies. Prior to September 11, 2001, she had reported numerous inadequacies and dysfunctions in emergency preparedness, including a culture of intimidation that discouraged federal evaluators from reporting inadequacies in state and local plans and preparedness. USDA officials had thwarted her efforts to bring in terrorism experts to help the agency prepare for attacks on federal buildings, including bio-weapons attacks such as the anthrax attacks of 2001. In vain, she had urged FEMA officials to develop a national emergency communications plan and require interoperability of federally funded emergency communications equipment. In the absence of these preparations, New York City firefighters and police officers were unable to communicate critical information on September 11 at the World Trade Center. Ms. Lewis contacted the Commission and offered to provide information regarding dysfunctional government preparedness, but the Commission never responded. Mark Burton, Senior Analyst; NSA – Mr. Burton served as an all-source threat analyst in NSA’s Information Assurance Directorate (IAD) for most of his 16- year career. He was the editor of IAD’s premier threat document; the 300+ page ISSO Global Threat Summary, and was an adjunct faculty member at NSA’s National Cryptologic School. He provided dozens of pages of relevant information to the 9/11 Commission, but was completely ignored and never asked to testify. The above list does not include many others from the intelligence and law enforcement communities who had similarly contacted or reported to the commission but had been either turned away or censored, and of course many others’ who are still working within these agencies and are fearful of making their identities known, due to the relentless pursuit of and retaliation against whistleblowers by government agencies. CREDIBLE CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11 Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11 – Official Account of 9/11 “Impossible”, “A Bunch of Hogwash”, “Total B.S.”, “Ludicrous”, “A Well-Organized Cover-up”, “A White-Washed Farce” Jan. 14, 2008 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews Eight U.S. State Department Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 – Official Account of 9/11 "Flawed", "Absurd", "Totally Inadequate", "a Cover-up" Jan. 5, 2008 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews Seven Senior Federal Engineers and Scientists Call for New 9/11 Investigation – Official Account of 9/11 "Impossible", "Hogwash", "Fatally Flawed" Dec. 13, 2007 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews Eight Senior Republican Administration Appointees Challenge Official Account of 9/11 – "Not Possible", "a Whitewash", "False" Dec. 4, 2007 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report – Official Account of 9/11 a "Joke" and a "Cover-up" Sep. 23, 2007 PDF Version Article on OpEdNews That's a few of the 170 senior military/intelligence/governement challengers. Add them to the 660 architects and engineeers, 190 pilots/aviation professionals, 370 professors and 290 survivors/family members who challenge the government account. How you can continue to believe the 911 Omission report is beyond me.
#107. To: war (#105)
That happened on 9/11? Wow....I was beginning to suspect you might be changing the subject, again.
Where are the remains of the AirTran plane that caught fire and crashed into the Everglades?
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#108. To: war, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, litus, all (#104)
Well Trollmeister you never cease to amuse. At this point between two or three threads you have managed to use virtually all of the Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation . For any objective observer there can be little doubt that all you are doing is acting as a low paid, marginal IQ, government Trollbot. At no point have you added any substantive data which is not countered by multiple sources showing it to be false. You cite "hunnerts of thousands" even gazillions of people who support the official lies and yet when it comes down to brass tacks you cite the same discredited sources over and over and over and over again. Of course mixed in with personal attacks and avoiding responding to any actual data presented. You are engaging over and over and over and over again in disinformation tactics. In your current post we have: 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. 8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources. 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. Example: 'Nothing you say makes any sense. Your logic is idiotic. Your facts nonexistent. Better go back to the drawing board and try again.' Proper response: 'You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. You evade the issues with your own form of nonsense while others, perhaps more intelligent than you pretend to be, have no trouble with the material. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 9 - play dumb)?' 13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact. 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues. Not bad. You managed to include a total of 7 fallacies in one short paragraph. Way to go!
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#109. To: abraxas (#106)
This was already posted to me today and on this thread and you Moonies wonder why I find you clueless...
#110. To: Original_Intent (#108)
How has the ASCE been discredited?
You cite "hunnerts of thousands" even gazillions of people who support the official lies and yet when it comes down to brass tacks you cite the same discredited sources over and over and over and over again.
#111. To: FormerLurker (#108)
Oops! Forgot to include you in the ping list.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#112. To: war (#110) (Edited)
Twenty Five Ways to Suppress The Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues. And invoking authority is not proof. Data, valid observations, is proof. Slinging names around of organizations that are political in nature, and dependent on government good will for towing the Party Line, is not proof. It is an argument based only upon authority. Check of Proof: Replace ASCE in your argument with the Donut Dunkers Society and it loses all of its weight. Therefore we can conclude it is an argument based only upon an Appeal To Misleading Authority.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#113. To: Original_Intent (#111)
Oops!!! You forgot to answer my question. How has the ASCE been discredited?
#114. To: Original_Intent (#112)
You wrote: ... when it comes down to brass tacks you cite the same discredited sources over and over and over and over again. WAR: How has the ASCE been discredited?
#115. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Critter, christine, Wudidiz, FormerLurker (#108)
What's he trying to do is get as many of them as possible in one post. : )
Not bad. You managed to include a total of 7 fallacies in one short paragraph. Way to go!
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#116. To: litus, war, whore, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, christine, all (#115)
I think he did set a record. Heretofore the most I've seen, saving BAC, is 3 or 4. He's definitely well trained in disinformation tactics.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#117. To: war (#109)
It's obvious that you don't bother to read any information that contradicts your government consipiracy theory, no matter who posts or whom defies the government charade. You ignore what you cannot intellectually argue. Clueless is continuing to cheerleader without offering any data beyond the Omission report to back up your claims. You prefer to digress to insults because you have no intellectual argument to substantiate your claims. You learned well on LP to divert from the subject matter with insults, but that sort of lame diversion doesn't work so well at 4um.
This was already posted to me today and on this thread and you Moonies wonder why I find you clueless...
#118. To: abraxas (#117)
What is obvious is that you have your head up your ass and you can't understand twhy the flashlight you ahve in your hand isn't helping. Helpful Hint: I commented on some specifics contained in what you accuse me of not reading.
It's obvious that you don't bother to read any information that contradicts your government consipiracy theory...
#119. To: Original_Intent, war, whore, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, christine, all (#116)
I agree.
He's definitely well trained in disinformation tactics.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#120. To: Original_Intent (#116)
You wrote: ... when it comes down to brass tacks you cite the same discredited sources over and over and over and over again. WAR: How has the ASCE been discredited?
#121. To: war (#118)
Did you steal that line from Mad Dog or Yukon? Tactics are the same. Funny how you pretend to dispise such antics at LP while mimicking them around here. When are you going to post the counter claims by chemists and physicists regarding the recent nano-thermite findings? First you claimed that a real chemist would debunk it. Then you watched a video of a real chemist in agreement. You claimed chemists would disagree but you have never provided a link or substantiated your elementary knowledge of chemistry used to refute the scientific paper.
you have your head up your ass and you can't understand twhy the flashlight you ahve in your hand isn't helping.
#122. To: litus (#119)
SHOCKED!!!!
I agree.
#123. To: FormerLurker (#92)
THEN he makes up a number, claims that there are that many who side with the government story, with ZERO proof of the number he fabricated and ZERO evidence that number of people would side with the government story. And this surprises you? ahaha. That is what trolls and shills do.
It's obvious that war is playing a dishonest little game here. He asks people for a hard count of how many engineers and architects oppose the official 9/11 story (on another thread), is shown the answer twice on that thread, then claims that he never saw the information..
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#124. To: abraxas (#121)
These "findings" as I have pointed out are not recent. The chemicals that these people CLAIM = thermite have long been listed as chemicals in the WTC dust. That said, it is hardly clear from where these people even GOT the dust. There is no clear chain of custody here. There is no specific location cited which could reveal contamination of the alleged dust that they analyzed. I am all over this board citing experts...providing links and video...instead of coming on here and pretending one thing, why don't you do some research with the handy dandy search function provided here...
When are you going to post the counter claims by chemists and physicists regarding the recent nano-thermite findings?
#125. To: litus (#115)
Maybe he gets a bonus when he gets more than five or six in one post.
What's he trying to do is get as many of them as possible in one post.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#126. To: Original_Intent (#116)
KOOK! ROTFLOL! (There, thought you might be missing that). >(;^{]
I think he did set a record. Heretofore the most I've seen, saving BAC, is 3 or 4.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#127. To: James Deffenbach (#125)
That's right! He's on a bonus plan.... : )
Maybe he gets a bonus when he gets more than five or six in one post.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#128. To: war (#124)
it is hardly clear from where these people even GOT the dust. Verify this with a link to substantiate your claim. It it NOT in the Omission Report, nor is it in ANY of the NIST reports. It is clear where they got the dust, it is clearly stated in the paper. Five samples were collected on sight, the one sample that could not be confirmed was excluded from the paper although the material found within the sample was IDENTICAL to the included samples. Why don't you read the paper war? It's obvious you haven't read it while you continue to attempt to debunk it. READ IT. Here is an additional analysis: Three Features of the Red-Gray Chips A portion of Fig. 2, showing one of of the red-gray chips. ¼m means millionths of a meter. The length of the 100-¼m bar is therefore 1/10 of a millimeter -- about the width of a human hair. The three features of the red-gray chips highlighted here -- physical structure, chemical composition, and thermal behavior -- clearly establish that they are aluminothermic nano-composite pyrotechnics: advanced manufactured materials that may only have been invented as recently as the mid-1990s. Any one of these three features taken alone shows that the material is either a pyrotechnic or an advanced engineered material having no legitimate place in an office building. Any two of these features establishes that it is a high-tech pyrotechnic. That, combined with the material's abundance -- constituting perhaps 0.05 percent of the mass of the dust and therefore likely tens of tons within the buildings -- is clearly incompatable with prosaic sources, and fully consistent with the observations that the Towers were subjected to controlled demolitions. 1. Physical Structure The chips, whose structure is consistent from one sample to the next, are clearly an un-natural, manufactured material. The red layer is a nano-engineered composite, containing two types of nano- particles, each highly consistent in size and shape. The physical structure of the chips is revealed by microscopic visual inspection, most clearly using a scanning electron microscope. A thin red layer is supported by a gray layer of homogenous material. Zooming in on the red layer shows it to be composed of two different types of particles embedded in a porous matrix: thin plates typically hexagonal in shape, and faceted grains. Three facts about the red layer are: The particles are very small: the plates being only about 40 nanometers thick, and the grains are only about 100 nanometers in diameter. The particles are highly uniform in size and shape. The particles are intimately mixed in a highly consistent composition throughout the material. These are all features of a nano-engineered material. It is not possible that such a material was formed as a by-product of the destruction of the Twin Towers. 2. Chemical Composition The red layers contain abundant aluminum, iron, and oxygen, where the iron is associated with oxygen, and the aluminum is mostly in a pure, elemental, form. The relative quantities of aluminum, iron, and oxygen match those of the most common thermite formulation: Fe2O3 + 2 Al . 2 Al + Fe2O3 [4; Al2O3 + 2 Fe This is the chemical equation of the most common type of thermite reaction: Two atoms of aluminum react with a molecule of iron oxide to form a molecule of aluminum oxide and two atoms of iron. Because the aluminum holds the oxygen much more tightly than does the iron, the reaction releases a great deal of energy -- about three times as much per unit of weight as is released by conventional high explosives. The chemical composition of the chips is established by measuring the levels of elements in the chips' constituent parts. Using a scanning electron microscope equipped with X-ray energy-dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), it is determined that each of the two types of particles in the red layer, as well as the porous material holding them, has a specific elemental composition. Thus, the two types of nano-particles in the red layer contain the two ingredients of thermite: pure aluminum and iron oxide. Furthermore, the red- layer matrix in which the particles are embedded in a highly uniform manner is mostly silicon and oxygen -- similar in composition to known variants of nano- thermite optimized for high explosive pressure. Although these elements -- aluminum, iron, oxygen, and silicon -- were all abundant in building materials used in the Twin Towers, it is not possible that such materials milled themselves into fine powder and assembled themselves into a chemically optimized aluminothermic composite as a by-product of the destruction of the Twin Towers. 3. Thermal Behavior When the chips are heated to about 430ºC, they undergo a runaway chemical reaction producing temperatures of at least 1535ºC -- the melting point of iron. The residues produced by these reactions -- iron-rich spheres -- match those produced by igniting commercial thermite and particles found in WTC dust samples. The thermal behavior of the chips is analyzed using an instrument (a DSC) that measures the flow of heat into and out of the sample as its temperature is gradually increased. When the samples are elevated to about 430ºC, they ignite in a run-away rection that reaches at least 1535ºC. The fact that the reaction reaches those very high temperatures is evident from the reaction's residue of minute solidified iron-rich sphereoids -- residues that had clearly experienced temperatures above the melting point of iron to create molten droplets that became spherical under the influence of surface tension. The iron-rich spheroids formed by heating the chips in this manner match those found in abundance in all of the samples of WTC dust studied, and those produced by the reaction of commercial thermite, both in appearance and in chemical composition revealed by XEDS analysis. A measure of a pyrotechnics' performance is its energy density: how much energy can be packed in a given weight or volume. Estimates of the energy densities of chips ignited in the DSC shows them to be similar to those of conventional high explosives and conventional thermite. These estimtes include the weight of the inert gray-layer material, which may account for the range of energy densities of the four different chips. Whereas structural and chemical analysis of the chips shows that they were designed as some kind of pyrotechnic, thermal analysis shows that, despite their fragmented form and age, are still active pyrotechnics, and ones with impressive energy densities. Active Thermitic Material Discovered does not describe tests that might indicate the discovered material's power density. The fact that it ignites somewhere between 370ºC and 430ºC would seem to make it a delicate explosive, since an office fire could generate such temperatures. However, the material might have more than one reaction mode: It might be designed so that the more gradual heating by a fire causes it to deflagrate and appear to burn like a hydrocarbon material; whereas the small spot of extreme temperture provided by a micro-detonator causes it to detonate with a shockwave powerful enough to shatter objects several feet away. Although building rubble can contain flammable materials, it is not possible that legitimate materials in the Twin Towers or by-products formed by the buildings' destruction reacted to produce temperatures high enough to melt iron. Conclusion As this simplified summary of the findings of the paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe shows, the distinctive red-gray chips found consistently in dust samples from the destroyed Twin Towers are clearly an advanced engineered pyrotechnic material. It is not even remotely possible that the material could have been formed spontaneously through any random process such as the total destruction of the Twin Towers. Nor is it possible that the material was present in the Towers for some innocent reason. The chips are clearly the unexploded remains of a pyrotechnic material -- likely a high explosive -- that was present in the Twin Towers in large quantities.
The chemicals that these people CLAIM = thermite have long been listed as chemicals in the WTC dust.
FURTHER READING: physical structure of the chips
FURTHER READING: chemical composition of the chips
FURTHER READING: thermal behavior of the chips
#129. To: war (#122)
Were you trying to be facetious? lolol!
SHOCKED!!!!
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#130. To: litus (#127)
Just think, one of these days he may figure out a way to get all 25 in one post.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#131. To: war (#124)
Here's my source: Thermitic Pyrotechnics in the WTC Made Simple Three Points of Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe that Anyone Can Understand by Jim Hoffman Version 0.7, April 18, 2009 http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=88063
#132. To: James Deffenbach (#130)
When that happens, I'll make a special "gif" post, in celebration!! fofl!
Just think, one of these days he may figure out a way to get all 25 in one post.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#133. To: litus (#132)
I am sure he is working on it feverishly and you will get to "reward" him soon.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#134. To: James Deffenbach (#133)
hehehehehe! Likely true. That means I'd better start searching asap.
I am sure he is working on it feverishly and you will get to "reward" him soon.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#135. To: war (#66) (Edited)
Only 600 or so Protestant pastors in Germany stood up publically against Hitler and the nazis. The rest of the crowd got into line. While membership in the majority or the minority of opinion in respect of any given issue is not necessarily dispositive of the rightness of one's views, those in the minority are generally stronger in their convictions, particularly when their views are unpopular - moreso when there is nothing to gain by publishing unpopular views, and indeed when there is even something to lose.
Based upon the silliness that I have seen out of you Moonbats, I really do not expect you to see how stupid it is to point to barely 600 out of 125THOUSAND...
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#136. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#84)
Yeah...I can see why this man, and all the others on the list would be ignored by a JOKE COMMISSION!!!
John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI - Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#137. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#136)
Yeah...I can see why this man, and all the others on the list would be ignored by a JOKE COMMISSION!!! The real question is: Why is war protecting the "real" criminals?
John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI - Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response.
#138. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#137)
Why is war protecting the "real" criminals? bump!!!
The real question is:
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#139. To: TwentyTwelve (#137)
Two possibilities come to mind--the real criminals could be friends of his or they are paying him to obfuscate the issues. Not saying that there aren't other possibilities but when someone will argue that black is white and up is down, and that there are actually 27 in a dozen of anything you might suspect they are stupid or being paid. Or, that is what some other nitwit told him and he believed them because they were "smart."
Why is war protecting the "real" criminals?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#140. To: James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve (#139)
I say paid. I could never be paid to lie.
when someone will argue that black is white and up is down, and that there are actually 27 in a dozen of anything you might suspect they are stupid or being paid.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#141. To: litus (#140)
Some people don't have to be paid, they do it to stay in practice.
I say paid. I could never be paid to lie.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#142. To: James Deffenbach (#141)
rofl! That was a funny.
Some people don't have to be paid, they do it to stay in practice.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#143. To: James Deffenbach (#141)
Some people don't have to be paid, they do it to stay in practice. LOL
I say paid. I could never be paid to lie.
#144. To: James Deffenbach (#141)
Some people don't have to be paid, they do it to stay in practice. I say paid. I could never be paid to lie.
#145. To: litus (#142)
Thanks. I have a lucid interval now and then. >(;^{]
rofl! That was a funny.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#146. To: TwentyTwelve (#144)
Thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#147. To: James Deffenbach (#126)
KOOK! ROTFLOL! (There, thought you might be missing that). >(;^{] Thanks. It brings back uh, ummm, ah, warm memories. Yeah! That's it, warm memories. ;-)
I think he did set a record. Heretofore the most I've seen, saving BAC, is 3 or 4.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#148. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, litus, Critter. TwentyTwelve (#147)
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...? ArtNum=50539&Disp=93#C93 To: BeAChooser (#85) you are a total pain in the ass. you've gotta spam your sh!t even on this thread? (have i told you lately that i loathe you?) christine posted on 2007-04-19 23:26:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit
memories~
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
#149. To: christine (#148)
Poor BeachOoser. He don't git no respect. But then again, he don't deserve any. ;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#150. To: christine (#148)
(have i told you lately that i loathe you?) Oh the humanity! I thought I was the only one you loathed--er no, wait, wrong word. ahaha, carry on.
you are a total pain in the ass. you've gotta spam your sh!t even on this thread?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#151. To: James Deffenbach (#145)
You're being modest. The intervals are much more frequent than that. hehehe
I have a lucid interval now and then.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#152. To: christine, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, Critter, TwentyTwelve (#148)
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...? ArtNum=50539&Disp=93#C93 To: BeAChooser (#85) you are a total pain in the ass. you've gotta spam your sh!t even on this thread? (have i told you lately that i loathe you?) christine posted Memories
Can it be that it was all so simple then
Or has time rewritten every line
If we had the chance to do it all again, tell me, would we, could we
lolol!!!
memories~
ABSOLUTELY!
Scattered pictures of the smiles we left behind
Smiles we gave to one another for the way we were.
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#153. To: litus, James Deffenbach (#151)
You're being modest. The intervals are much more frequent than that. hehehe Stop it! Keep it up and he'll start giving himself "airs". I have a lucid interval now and then.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#154. To: litus (#151)
Thanks (I think).
You're being modest. The intervals are much more frequent than that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#155. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#153)
LOL!!!
Stop it! Keep it up and he'll start giving himself "airs".
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#156. To: James Deffenbach (#154)
*chuckling* I take the Fifth.
Thanks (I think).
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#157. To: Original_Intent (#153)
Only if I eat too many beans and cabbage. ahaha.
Stop it! Keep it up and he'll start giving himself "airs".
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#158. To: litus (#156)
Don't drink it all at one time. Give you a headache (or so I have heard).
I take the Fifth.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#159. To: James Deffenbach (#158) (Edited)
hehehe I didn't say I'll take a Fifth! : )
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
#160. To: randge (#135)
And only 4 out of 5 dentists chose Trident...
Only 600 or so Protestant pastors in Germany stood up publically against Hitler and the nazis. The rest of the crowd got into line.
#161. To: James Deffenbach, litus (#158)
Don't drink it all at one time. Give you a headache (or so I have heard). I can vouch for it from personal experience. Good Scotch is intended to be drank in moderation - not an entire bottle at one "sitting". Couldn't hold water in my stomach until 3 in the afternoon the day after. NEVER AGAIN!
I take the Fifth.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#162. To: Original_Intent (#161)
Yeah, I have heard that you can get mighty sick from drinking too much liquor. >(;^{]
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#163. To: James Deffenbach (#162)
I couldn't drink Scotch for about 3 years afterward. Thankfully I got over the malaise. ;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#164. To: Original_Intent (#163)
Well, I never did learn to like Scotch. I was telling someone not long ago that if Scotch was all there was to drink I would most likely drink nothing but water, tea and Cokes.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#165. To: James Deffenbach (#164)
Arrrgh! Sacrilege! Tis the sweet Mother's Milk of the Bonny Highlands (Usigbethea in Gaelic meaning "Mother's Milk").
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#166. To: Original_Intent (#165)
LOL! Two of my best friends used to be Jim Beam and Jack Daniels.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#167. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#161)
Sorry...you've got another non-Scotch drinker here, O_I. I like wine or beer. "Hard stuff"? Mostly only gin. : ) (I plead guilty to light weight)
I can vouch for it from personal experience. Good Scotch is intended to be drank in moderation - not an entire bottle at one "sitting". Couldn't hold water in my stomach until 3 in the afternoon the day after. NEVER AGAIN!
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"
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