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Title: What became of War?
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Published: Apr 20, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-04-20 21:38:39 by Critter
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Ain't seen that shilly dimwit for a bit. Did he get canned for inferior shilliness?

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#42. To: TwentyTwelve (#41)

The proof is on this thread, moron. There aren't even 600 of them who object to it...

Math is an issue with you?

war  posted on  2009-04-21   13:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#43. To: war (#42)

Math is an issue with you?

Spelling is an issue with you?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-21   13:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#44. To: TwentyTwelve (#43)

Spelling is an issue with you?

I'll take that for an "obviously Math is an issue"....

war  posted on  2009-04-21   13:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#45. To: war (#44)

tcm.bloodhorse.com/derby_dozen. asp

Check out the encouraging comments on your colt.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-04-21   14:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#46. To: Fred Mertz (#45)

WIN WILLY!!!!

Shame what happened to Old Fashioned, eh?

war  posted on  2009-04-21   14:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: war (#46)

Yeah, 40 bucks down the drain on one of my Future Wager tickets.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-04-21   15:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: Fred Mertz (#47)

Any further word on that colt?

war  posted on  2009-04-21   15:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: war (#48)

He'll heal and live a long and happy life, but he won't race again. I think he'll become a sire/stud in his next life. I envy him.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-04-21   15:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: war (#48)

Retirement announced for Old Fashioned

Rick Porter, owner of former leading three- year-old Old Fashioned, announced on Tuesday that the colt has been retired.

Old Fashioned underwent surgery Tuesday morning to repair a fractured knee the horse suffered during the running of the $1 million Arkansas Derby at Oaklawn Park last Saturday.

"The surgery went very well this (Tuesday) morning," Porter said in a statement. "Dr. (Larry) Bramlage told me that it would be almost impossible for him to return to anywhere near his level as a racehorse. After my discussion with Dr Bramlage, I decided to retire him. I am not sure if I will stand him myself in Kentucky next year or possibly Florida."

Old Fashioned began 2009 atop the list of Kentucky Derby contenders and solidified his ranking by winning the Southwest Stakes at Oaklawn Park.

However, he lost the Rebel Stakes to Win Willy after having the lead at the top of the stretch. The loss to Papa Clem in the Arkansas Derby came after the favorite set the pace to the stretch in the 1 1/8 mile race.

Larry Jones trained the three-year-old to a career mark of four wins in six starts for $583,280, Jones also conditions Kentucky Derby contender Friesan Fire who is the Louisiana Derby champ.

www.miamiherald.com/sport...racing/story/1000711.html

I'm keeping an eye on Friesan Fire lately.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-04-21   15:36:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: war (#26)

That would bother me if not for the fact tnat ANY normal work day makes you shudder...

Every normal work day for me is a wonder, and inspiration and always a lesson in human nature.

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randge  posted on  2009-04-21   17:13:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: war, TwentyTwelve (#40)

How many enginners are there?

Doesn't matter. What DOES matter is the number of them that have spoken out on the topic and what they have said. There are over 660 that don't believe the 9/11 Commission findings, and feel that there needs to be a full investigation into the events that occured that day.

Many if not most of those engineers (and architects) don't believe that the towers fell as claimed by the official story, and feel that they were brought down by controlled demolition.

Now, find a valid report that lists the number of engineers and architects that DO approve of the 9/11 Commission findings. I don't want you to guess or make up a number, I want an official list of those that agree.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-04-21   21:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: war (#44)

I'll take that for an "obviously spelling is an issue"....

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-21   21:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: war, TwentyTwelve, litus, Original_Intent, Fred Mertz, RickyJ, randge (#42)

The proof is on this thread, moron. There aren't even 600 of them who object to it...

Proof? What, your question as to how many engineers are there in the world is supposed to be PROOF? You don't have ANY proof of how many approve of the 9/11 Commission findings, you just made up a number and tried to say there is that many because there MIGHT be that many in the world, and since they haven't publically made a statement concerning their thoughts, well then by gosh they must agree with the official story. What a dishonest cretin you are.

As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um.

Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN.

660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-04-21   21:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: TwentyTwelve, war (#53)

I'll take that for an "obviously spelling is an issue"....

Hell, war can't even spell "engineer" never mind count how many there are that approve of the 9/11 Commission findings...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-04-21   21:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: FormerLurker, war, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, Fred Mertz, RickyJ, randge (#54)

As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um.

Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN.

that makes three times; I saw the other two times you posted them to war (not including the different link I also posted to war concerning another architects and engineers group).

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-21   21:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#57. To: litus (#56)

that makes three times; I saw the other two times you posted them to war (not including the different link I also posted to war concerning another architects and engineers group).

It's like someone going around telling people that there aren't really 12 eggs in a dozen, even after being shown countless times how many there are in a box.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-04-21   21:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#58. To: FormerLurker (#57)

It's like someone going around telling people that there aren't really 12 eggs in a dozen, even after being shown countless times how many there are in a box.

It goes way beyond a denial problem.

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-21   21:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#59. To: FormerLurker, Litus, Original_Intent (#54)

Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN.

660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

War just keeps ignoring this!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-21   21:45:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#60. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#59)

Here it is again so that you can't say it wasn't posted, AGAIN.

660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

War just keeps ignoring this!

why would that be do you suppose??

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-21   21:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#61. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#58)

It's like someone going around telling people that there aren't really 12 eggs in a dozen, even after being shown countless times how many there are in a box.

It goes way beyond a denial problem.

hmmm...

"Way beyond denial" is a strong indication of possible mental damage and/or severe psychological disorders.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-21   21:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#62. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#61)

"Way beyond denial" is a strong indication of possible mental damage and/or severe psychological disorders.

I agree. Maybe he's smokin' sumpin.

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-21   21:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#63. To: FormerLurker, war, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, Fred Mertz, RickyJ (#54)

"What we are faced with is a lie of such proportions that even to suggest it makes one subject to ridicule and scorn. Who could have done such a terrible thing? Certainly not our government or military. Rogue elements in the intelligence agencies? I have no idea.

But I do know that the official explanation doesn't hold water. An open, honest re-opening of the case is in order. A near majority of Americans agrees with this view. Let us keep pressing for an honest investigation."

- David A. Johnson

Just off the top of the list: 660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect – Member, American Institute of Architects. A practicing Architect for 20 years who has worked on most types of building construction including numerous fire-proofed steel-framed buildings. Founding member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Speech at Sonoma State University 4/20/07:

"Another 2006 poll by Scripps Howard, Ohio University, which found that a shocking 16% believe that the World Trade Center's Twin Towers were brought down by explosives. Unfortunately, my research has also concluded that this is true. Tonight I will present to you the very clear evidence that all three World Trade Center high-rise buildings, the Twin Towers and Building 7 were destroyed not by fire as our government has told us, but by controlled demolition with explosives." http://ae911truth.org/aboutus.php

David A. Johnson, B.Arch, MCP (City Planning), PhD (Regional Planning), F.AICP – Internationally recognized architect and city and regional planner. Professor Emeritus, Department of Urban and Regional Planning, University of Tennessee. Former Professor and Chair of the Planning Departments at Syracuse University and Ball State University. Elected Fellow, American Institute of Certified Planners (2004). Past President of the Fulbright Association of the United States. Recipient of five Fulbright Scholarships for continued education in Cyprus, India, Thailand, and the Soviet Union. Directed educational projects in Brazil and Portugal. Active in reconstruction efforts in Bosnia and bicommunal peace-making in Cyprus. Former professional planner on the staffs of the Washington National Capital Planning Commission and the Regional Plan Association of New York. Former editorial board member of the Journal of the American Planning Association. Author of numerous journal articles on urban and regional planning theory and history. Author of Planning the Great Metropolis (1996). Co-author of The TVA Regional Planning and Development Program (2005). Contributing author to Two Centuries of American Planning (1988). Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"I was dubious of the official explanations from the outset. You see, as a professional city planner in New York, I knew those buildings and their design. I attended and participated in the hearings at the New York City Hall when the buildings were first proposed. I argued for the buildings on the basis that the interior core represented a way of internalizing the cost of mass transit, which in our system is almost impossible to finance through public bond issues.

So I was well aware of the strength of the core with its steel columns, surrounding the elevators, and stairwells. I should also mention that with a degree in architecture and instruction in steel design (my Yale professor had worked on the Empire State Building) I was and am no novice in structural design.

When I saw the rapid collapse of the towers, I knew that they could not come down the way they did without explosives and the severing of core columns at the base. The spewing of debris from the towers where the planes entered also could not have occurred simply with just a structural collapse. Something else was happening to make this occur.

Moreover, the symmetrical collapse is strong evidence of a controlled demolition. A building falling from asymmetrical structural failure would not collapse so neatly, nor so rapidly, as you have pointed out.

What we are faced with is a lie of such proportions that even to suggest it makes one subject to ridicule and scorn. Who could have done such a terrible thing? Certainly not our government or military. Rogue elements in the intelligence agencies? I have no idea.

But I do know that the official explanation doesn't hold water. An open, honest re-opening of the case is in order. A near majority of Americans agrees with this view. Let us keep pressing for an honest investigation." http://www.ae911truth.org

H. Theodore Elden, Jr., B.Arch, AIA – Practicing licensed architect in West Virginia for over 25 years. Now retired. Graduate of Carnegie Mellon University. Member, American Institute of Architects, West Virginia Chapter. Appointed Member of West Virginia State Board of Architects. Former Member, National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB), and Member, National Committee, Intern Development Program for Architects (IDP). Professional photographer. Letter to American Institute of Architects 11/26/06:

"The primary duty of registered professionals is to protect the public safety. Professionals' intelligence, knowledge and experience provide a delicate connection between science and fact. ...

9-11 was a tragic event for our country, quickly “solved” by our government and propagated by our media, leading our country into fear, anguish, anger, war and unrestrained spending.

Have we, as building professionals, been hoodwinked? Who should better understand the collapse of the World Trade Towers than those in our profession, possibly with the consultation of demolition experts?

As I and millions have reviewed the events of that day, it seems much of the cover story is not true and impossible. As the nation is confused on the reality of that day, have we been making bad decisions ever since?

My web site collects salient information that isolates the demise of the World Trade Towers – linking many experienced, dedicated and articulate technical analysis that show clearly that the World Trade Towers were destroyed by internal explosives and not "fires from the airlines". ...

After hundreds of hours of research, and thousands of dollars purchasing materials and information, this letter outlines my most salient, articulate examples of things that architects should investigate. If I err slightly in any single item, that does not discount this letter. On the contrary, even if only part of these accusations are true, they should be investigated." http://www.abodia.com/911

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randge  posted on  2009-04-21   21:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#64. To: randge (#63)

Just off the top of the list: 660+ Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report

That website has an incredible list of highly distinguished experts and professionals who people like war are trying to belittle and silence.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-04-21   22:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#65. To: litus (#56)

Former Lurker is on bozo...is he still trying to post to me?

As far as your comment that there aren't even 600 who object to the 9/11 Commission findings, you are a liar, as the proof of that has been posted to you at least twice here on 4um.

Tell your fellow Moonie here that the comment referred to "engineers" and not "engineers and architects".

war  posted on  2009-04-22   9:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#66. To: randge (#63)

There are 125K enginners in the professional organization that assisted both FEMA and NIST in the 9/11 report. Furtermore, that same organization, used the 9/11 report to formulate standards that would try to immunize buildings from the type of damage and catastrophe that occurred on 9/11.

Based upon the silliness that I have seen out of you Moonbats, I really do not expect you to see how stupid it is to point to barely 600 out of 125THOUSAND...

war  posted on  2009-04-22   10:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: Fred Mertz (#50)

Thanks...

war  posted on  2009-04-22   10:04:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#53)

I'll take that for an "obviously spelling is an issue"....

Fine...I can't spell and you can't understand how not even 600 out of 125THOUSAND is nothing...

Agreed?

war  posted on  2009-04-22   10:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: war, FormerLurker (#65)

Tell your fellow Moonie here that the comment referred to "engineers" and not "engineers and architects".

War, that's not what I recall. You used engineers, architects, police, firemen...in your demand to produce even one group...

You were provided two groups of engineers and architects (one by me, whereupon you then made additional demands of that group), and the reposting now 3 times by FormerLurker....

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   10:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#70. To: litus (#69)

You used engineers, architects, police, firemen...in your demand to produce even one group...

Apples and oranges Moonbat...there is not ONE professional organization that existed prior to 9/11 that has proclaimed the attack anything other than what it was.

Moonbats congregating thereafter most certainly does not qualify.

war  posted on  2009-04-22   10:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#71. To: war (#70)

there is not ONE professional organization that existed prior to 9/11 that has proclaimed the attack anything other than what it was.

See. This is what you do.

You make a demand, then when it's met, you make further stipulations. When that's met, then you make further stipulations.

WTH is wrong with you?

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   10:46:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#72. To: litus (#71)

See. This is what you do.

No Moonbat...it's what YOU do...argue in circles...your "group" is not a peer recognized organization of professionals but simply a gaggle of Moonbats congregating around a single issue that is peripheral to their profession. The fact that the membership is less than 1% of the organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports should have been your first clue. INstead, it's one of several clues that you are cluesless.

war  posted on  2009-04-22   10:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#73. To: war (#72)

organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports

you mean the joke commission report?

That COMMISSION?

The commission that put forth an inadequate report, leaving out information, refusing to have witnesses come forth that would say anything different than their agenda.

That commission's report?

You're the joke.

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   11:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: litus (#73)

You didn;t address the issue. But I'm not surprised.

war  posted on  2009-04-22   11:06:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#75. To: war (#70) (Edited)

there is not ONE professional organization that existed prior to 9/11 that has proclaimed the attack anything other than what it was.

That proves your case doesn't it? Those professional groups prior to 9/11 are just so smart. We need no more professional groups ever becasue they are experts on everything that is "non-moonbat" for eternity. No other post 9/11 groups can qualify unless they don't say 9/11 was an inside job.

Still yet the evidence the towers were blown up doesn't give a crap about what professional groups say or don't say at any time throughout history, now, or in the future.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-22   11:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#76. To: RickyJ (#75)

Those professional groups prior to 9/11 are just so smart.

Those same groups still exist, RickyJ.

You've never been accused of being "sharp" for anything more than a fart have you?

war  posted on  2009-04-22   11:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#73)

organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports

you mean the joke commission report?

That COMMISSION?

war still believes the .gov Commission Report?

ROTFLMAO

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-22   11:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#78. To: war (#76)

Those same groups still exist, RickyJ.

Which proves what? Mental institutions still exist. Psychopaths still exist that existed before 9/11 too. You have made no point numbskull, but yet you think you have.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-22   11:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: war (#74) (Edited)

You didn;t address the issue. But I'm not surprised.

The issue has been addressed.

Your demands were met, and met again. That you keep moving the target and not addressing the information stated by the engineers and architects in their report that was posted to you, the very information that you demanded, is what isn't surprising.

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   11:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: litus, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#73)

organization that assisted in the 9/11 reports

you mean the joke commission report?

That COMMISSION?

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

911Truth.org ::::: The 9/11 Truth Movement
... www.911truth.org, so long as the full source URL (">http://www.911truth. org/article.php?story=20050523112738404 in this case) is posted with the article. ...
www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404 - 47k - Jan 23, 2007 - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-04-22   11:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#77)

war still believes the .gov Commission Report?

ROTFLMAO

hehehehe!

"It is not for glory, riches or honours that we fight, but for that liberty which no good man will consent to lose but with his life."
~ Robert the Brus - "The Declaration of Arbroath"

litus  posted on  2009-04-22   11:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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