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Title: Wisconsin: Chief to Officers: Ignore Gun Memo
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Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=240787
Published: Apr 22, 2009
Author: Associated Pres
Post Date: 2009-04-22 12:59:18 by Brian S
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MADISON, Wis. -- Milwaukee's police chief said Tuesday he'll go on telling his officers to take down anyone with a firearm despite Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen's finding that people can carry guns openly if they do it peacefully. Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn said he'll continue to tell officers they can't assume people are carrying guns legally in a city that has seen nearly 200 homicides in the past two years. "My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said. "Maybe I'll end up with a protest of cowboys. In the meantime, I've got serious offenders with access to handguns. It's irresponsible to send a message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them." Wisconsin is one of 29 states that allow people to openly carry a firearm without a permit. It's one of two states that ban concealed weapons. Flynn's comments came as gun control advocates and state lawmakers derided Van Hollen's ruling. "The idea of people ... openly carrying guns strikes me as somewhere between bonkers and totally ridiculous and stupid," said state Rep. Josh Zepnick, D-Milwaukee.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
If there was any doubt left about who determines what your "rights" are....
_________________________________________________________________________ It's time to place Flynn's head on a pike.
So this guy is saying he's going to ignore the law and proceed to assault those who are peacefully exercising their rights. I think this idiot needs to be given his pink slip and shown the door, and possibly arrested for violating the civil rights of his victims. I wonder what happens if someone were to defend themselves against his "troops" if they were to try to "take someone down".
Then he must have serious issues with cops, as they openly carry guns.
ping
My advice to Freemen of conscience: Carry your firearm, but conceal it. If need be use it and aim well. With attitudes like Flynn's we can not take the chance witnesses will be truthful, so be certain there are none.
Wouldn't it be just terrible if some innocent person who was minding his own business, not bothering anyone and only exercising his rights blew some of Flynn's "troops" away? Or even Flynn himself? Yes, what a terrible thing. I would just hate if that happened. Truly.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Good point. Maybe he can get them committed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Makes perfect sense -- in Milwaukee, and won't change much there. The odds of a person openly carrying and acting orderly are fairly small. Brandishing is the norm. The best thing that might come out of this is a straightening-out of Wisconsin gun laws. Twice the guv has vetoed concealed-carry. Most of the present problems could have been avoided had the Governor agreed to develop a reasonable policy allowing law-abiding citizens (with appropriate training, licensing and certification) to carry concealed firearms under certain circumstances. He didn't though. As a result, you now have laws on the book which are in direct conflict with the plain language of the Wisconsin Constitution. Wisconsin enacted a right-to-bear-arms constitutional amendment in 1998.
Libertarians say whites should have the same right to all-white communities that other races do in their own communities. Nobody listens to them, but that doesn't stop them. Libertarians are dismissed for a reason everyone knows but nobody says. Nole crimen sine lege. No crime without law - exceptin' when you live in a police state. When you live in a police state you live in a state without law.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Anyone know who the other 28 states are?
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
I did a quick search if that question is of interest. Re: Which States Allow Open Carry Posted by Corey Miller on 4/06/06 Idaho in fact allows open carry in your vehicle, on your person, etc. as long as you don't conceal it. Concealed weapons permits are easily obtainable here. If your record is clean of course. You simply need to take proof of firearms training, such as a hunting permit from any state, a gun safety class, a police training cert., etc. to your local sheriff's office. Pay a fee and they conduct a background check, if you have no violent crimes you will get your CCW license in 6 to 8 weeks. > > On 3/04/04, CAPTAIN MIKE wrote: "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
This is another illustration of the urban-versus-rural, city-versus-country split in the body politic. I am out here in the country among the rurals and they still can't understand how they lost the election. It's called "one person, one vote" whereas they seem to think it is or ought to be "one square mile, one vote." I wouldn't and won't ever live in an urban/suburban area, but I do understand basic arithmetic and that the sparsely-populated rural and semi-rural areas are not going to get their way on most issues. It's too bad for the GOPers that big cities exist. If you look at maps of the counties they carried, it's still probably way more than half the territory of the country.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Yes, but country boys can survive.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. One of Milwaukee's finest.
Wisconsin under martial law ? Flynn and whoever he works for is gonna get sued.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
open-carry bump
#2. To: Brian S, All (#0)
"My message to my troops is...we'll...decide whether you have a right to carry it,"
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
Milwaukee's police chief said Tuesday he'll go on telling his officers to take down anyone with a firearm despite Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen's finding that people can carry guns openly if they do it peacefully.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#5. To: Brian S (#0)
"The idea of people ... openly carrying guns strikes me as somewhere between bonkers and totally ridiculous and stupid," said state Rep. Josh Zepnick, D-Milwaukee.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#6. To: Brian S, *libertarians*, *Shooters* (#0)
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said. "Maybe I'll end up with a protest of cowboys. In the meantime, I've got serious offenders with access to handguns. It's irresponsible to send a message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them."
but the sheiks would shriek and the barons would bellow if hemp was made legal...and people became mellow
#7. To: Brian S (#0)
My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said
#8. To: all (#0)
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said.
Lord Acton
#9. To: FormerLurker (#5)
Then he must have serious issues with cops, as they openly carry guns.
Lord Acton
#10. To: Brian S (#0)
#11. To: Brian S (#0)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#12. To: All (#0)
#13. To: All (#12)
Alabama(1);
Alaska(2);
Arizona;
Arkansas(3);
California(4);
Colorado;
Connecticut(5);
Delaware(2);
Georgia(5);
Hawaii(4);
Idaho;
Indiana(5);
Iowa(5);
Kansas(2);
Kentucky;
Louisiana;
Maine;
Maryland(5);
Massachusetts(5) (possible change after 1998 amendments);
Michigan(1);
Minnesota(5);
Mississippi;
Missouri(2);
Montana;
Nebraska(2);
Nevada(2);
New Hampshire(1);
New Jersey(5);
New Mexico;
North Carolina;
Ohio(2);
Oregon(2);
Pennsylvania(1)--Philadelphia(1,5);
Rhode Island(5);
South Carolina(5);
South Dakota;
Tennessee(5);
Texas(3);
Vermont;
Virginia(2)--Alexandria and some other counties (5);
Washington;
West Virginia;
Wisconsin(6);
Wyoming
1. CCW required for open carry in a vehicle
2. Additional restrictions may be at a local level
3. Only allowed when traveling
4. Only allowed with special permit or license; additional restrictions may apply
5. Open carry requires CCW permit
6. Open carry prohibited in vehicle; permitted on person.
Most federal laws do not distinguish between open and concealed carry. The one exception is aboard commercial aircraft. Federal law prohibits carrying a concealed dangerous weapon aboard an aircraft but not an unconcealed one. This loophole is closed by FAA Regulations, which prohibit any carrying of a dangerous weapon whether or not concealed.
#14. To: Brian S (#0)
#15. To: Sam Houston, all (#14)
It's too bad for the GOPers that big cities exist. If you look at maps of the counties they carried, it's still probably way more than half the territory of the country.
#16. To: lodwick (#15)
Bocephus bump!
Lord Acton
#17. To: Brian S (#0)
we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
"My message to my troops
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