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Title: Was It NanoTech-Thermite Or Phasers That Took Down TRhe WTC?
Source: OEN
URL Source: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Wa ... John-R-Moffett-090415-784.html
Published: Apr 15, 2009
Author: John R. Moffett
Post Date: 2009-04-22 15:22:05 by war
Keywords: None
Views: 1046
Comments: 56

A recently published article in an online science journal has come to the conclusion that minute flakes of thermite have been identified in particle samples collected at the site of the World Trade Center collapse.

The article entitled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” was recently published in “The Open Chemical Physics Journal,” which is part of the Bentham Open Science Publishers group of journals.

Researchers from Denmark, the United States and Australia reported that dust samples collected near the collapsed World Trade Center complex contained iron oxide and aluminum flakes whose chemical composition was consistent with unburned thermite.

The researchers used a number of techniques to analyze the chips including scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC).

The researchers used supposed samples of the dust that spread over lower Manhattan after the WTC buildings collapsed. Several samples that had been kept by residents for years as “souvenirs” of the disaster were given to the researchers between 2006 and 2008, many years after the disaster. This raises serious “chain of custody” issues for the evidence which would almost certainly preclude the samples from being used in a court of law. But assuming the samples were valid, there are many more serious issues with the work of this research group.

First, with regard to the idea that this work was published in a “peer reviewed scientific journal”, it should be noted that the Open Chemical Physics Journal is a pay-to-publish online-only journal that has published a total of 12 articles in its history. They have no track record, and no impact factor in the field. In essence, they are a vanity publisher for scientists who can’t get their work published anywhere else. To call them a peer-reviewed science journal is a real stretch.

Before I get into details about why this work is so poorly done, and why the interpretations of the researchers are so suspect, it is important to state that the thermite argument was put forward by these same researchers years ago, and the idea was fully debunked years ago. See for example here: http://www.911myths.com/WTCTHERM.pdf.

The researchers found unusual looking “red/grey chips” that could be collected with magnets in all of the WTC dust samples given to them. One particularly unusual finding in this research article was that the percentage of "red/gray chips" of supposedly "unreacted thermite" amounted to approximately 0.1% of the total mass of the collected dust. Assuming that most of the "thermite" would have burned when set off, and only a fraction remained unreacted, then the amount of 0.1% of the total dust is astounding. It translates to tens or even hundreds of thousands of tons (assuming many millions of tons of building materials total, see page 23, para 3 of the article).

It is no small coincidence that the major components that the researchers detected in the red and grey chips include iron, aluminum, oxygen, silica, and carbon, since these relate to the primary building materials that the WTC was constructed from. The girders were steel, which rusts to iron oxide, the façade was aluminum, and the floors were concrete. The traces of calcium and sulfur could easily be from wallboard (calcium sulfate), as the authors themselves conclude.

The chips that they analyzed were thin flakes, often only microns thick (a micron is 1/1000 of a millimeter). They all had a grey layer, and a red layer. The grey layers were said to be composed of iron oxide based on the X-ray dispersive spectroscopy, which seems somewhat unusual, since most iron oxide is red in color, not grey (one form of naturally occurring hematite is metallic grey). The red layer of the chips was said to be composed of carbon, with added iron, aluminum, silicon and oxygen, and lesser amounts of sodium, calcium, and potassium. This is not the composition of thermite.

X-ray dispersive spectroscopy can tell you what elements are in a sample, but not what molecules those elements are incorporated into. Any sample of dust from the WTC collapse would contain similar amounts of these elements because those are the primary elements that made up the steel superstructure, concrete flooring, aluminum facade and other building materials (not to mention the aluminum fuselage of the aircraft).

There is no thermite product on earth that is made up of thin sheets of grey layers of iron oxide and red layers of carbon with iron and aluminum oxides. In fact, to burn at high temperatures, thermite must contain large amounts of unoxidized aluminum, rather than aluminum oxide. The researchers did not determine if the aluminum present in their samples was oxidized aluminum, or unoxidized aluminum. The researchers get around the fact that their samples did not look like thermite under the microscope by suggesting that is was a form of "nanotechnology enhanced super-thermite". How could there have been tens of thousands of tons of "nanotechnology enhanced super-thermite" in these buildings?

The researchers also showed that the chips could be ignited, and that they burned at a lower temperature than normal thermite. This is of course not surprising since metals such as aluminum do burn if they are complexed with oxidizing agents, and are heated enough. Rust is an oxidizing agent if heated high enough, and is the oxidizing constituent of many types of thermite.

It is also important to note that thermite is not explosive, and it is difficult to ignite. It also often burns relatively slowly, and not uniformly, making it a very poor choice for building demolition. In building demolition, you need high explosive cutting charges that usually are carefully placed in holes drilled deep into the structures to be severed. Putting a thin coat of thermite onto a structural element, as suggested by the fact that all of the red/grey chips found in the dust samples were very thin flakes, would not result in the reliable cutting of support structures that would be required to bring the WTC down.

It is also interesting that when the red layer of the chips was analyzed by backscattered electron imaging, that the signals for iron and oxygen did not overlap well. If the material was thermite, the iron would be present almost exclusively as iron oxide, and the images for the iron atoms and oxygen atoms should have overlapped very well.

The two things that most Americans can agree on about 9/11 is that the official story is not credible, and that the Bush administration was hiding something. But that’s where agreement ends. Some people believe that explosive cutting charges were planted in the buildings, and detonated in sequence to bring the buildings down in their own footprints. Others believe that nanotechnology enhanced thermite was packed into the buildings, and that it was ignited to weaken the structures until they fell. Still others, like Dr. Judy Wood, believe that the US used directed energy weapons to destabilize the molecular structure of the buildings, thus causing them to collapse into atomic dust.


Poster Comment:

Assuming that most of the "thermite" would have burned when set off, and only a fraction remained unreacted, then the amount of 0.1% of the total dust is astounding. It translates to tens or even hundreds of thousands of tons (assuming many millions of tons of building materials total, see page 23, para 3 of the article).

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#1. To: war (#0)

I agree. The thermite story is bullshit. So are the DE weapons. There were explosions heard inside and outside the towers, and thermite does not explode, its an incendiary.

There is too much crap in the "truther" movement. Some of it might be intentional disinfo, some of it is just from stupid people, and some of it is honest mistakes. JMO.

This is what happens when we dont have the complete story. It's putting a puzzle together without having all the pieces. then trying to figure out what that puzzle looks like.

It's just safe to say that the 911 commission report is a total fraud. Beyond that, who knows.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-22   15:33:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PSUSA (#1)

There were explosions heard inside and outside the towers, and thermite does not explode, its an incendiary.

~ the reports of explosions do not make claims of thermite bullshit ~ controlled, well timed explosions would be needed once the steel was cut ~ ~ regardless of what happened on 911, this is how a building 'can' be brought down, the thermite cuts the steel in all the right places and the explosives knock it all down

Amandil  posted on  2009-04-22   15:57:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Amandil (#5)

But thermite is not used in demolition, shaped charges are. Why use thermite? That makes no sense.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-22   16:50:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA (#11)

But thermite is not used in demolition, shaped charges are. Why use thermite? That makes no sense.

~ did some expert already claim that it couldn't be used? or wouldn't be? it's a tool (period) just like a shaped charge is a tool ... the tonnage that this latest expert claims was in the buildings sounds a bit 'out there' to me yet not impossible ...

I'm only mildy curious as to all the details on 'how' they pulled it off .... it was a controlled event, the 'official' story is bullshit and no amount of dis-info or ridicule will change that fact ....

Amandil  posted on  2009-04-22   17:30:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Amandil (#12)

I'm only mildy curious as to all the details on 'how' they pulled it off .... it was a controlled event, the 'official' story is bullshit and no amount of dis-info or ridicule will change that fact ....

You're right about that. I dont know that we will ever have the answers. Not in this life anyway. I would like to waterboard Smirk and Darth and ask them some pointed questions though.

I'd like to know what caused that pool of molten metal that lasted for weeks.

I was in Jersey after 9/11 and it was still smoking for some time afterwards.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-22   18:16:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: PSUSA (#14)

I'd like to know what caused that pool of molten metal that lasted for weeks.

There is really only one source of energy of which I am aware which could cause the observed phenomena i.e., still molten steel after 6 weeks: Radioactivity.

That of course begs the question as to where the radioactivity came from?

That would be speculation but two possibilities are:

1. An unlicensed nuclear pile in one of the sub-basements used to generate electricity.

2. Mini-nukes used to undercut the building's foundation.

Those are speculations and clearly labeled as such. However, either one would account for enough radioactive material let loose to keep metal molten.

There are unproved and unsubstantiated accounts of radioactivity in the air at ground zero.

A couple of intriguing articles exploring the idea:

9/11 WTC ""Ground Zero"" Energy Surplus, Analysis and Discussion

9-11 Research: Nuclear Devices

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-23   16:43:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)

1. An unlicensed nuclear pile in one of the sub-basements used to generate electricity.

I never considered that one. But I can see it being possible. I wouldn't say it's unlicensed, but could have been kept secret. Imagine the stink generated if people knew there was a nuclear reactor in there, safe as it might have been. It could have been done under so-called national security. Again, more conjecture on my part too.

I remember the following story from a while back. I dont know if it made it into the law books or not, but I find it rather suspicious they wanted to "license" owning NBC detectors.

Individuals and companies have increasingly expressed interest in buying detectors to warn them in case of a biological, chemical or radiological attack. But now a City Council committee is considering a proposal that would require New Yorkers to get a permit from the Police Department to buy or use such detectors. /snip/

cityroom.blogs.nytimes.co...icense-to-check-for-wmds/

PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-23   17:25:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: PSUSA, Disgusted, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, litus, christine, Jethro Tull, Critter, all (#33)

1. An unlicensed nuclear pile in one of the sub-basements used to generate electricity.

I never considered that one. But I can see it being possible. I wouldn't say it's unlicensed, but could have been kept secret. Imagine the stink generated if people knew there was a nuclear reactor in there, safe as it might have been. It could have been done under so-called national security. Again, more conjecture on my part too.

I remember the following story from a while back. I dont know if it made it into the law books or not, but I find it rather suspicious they wanted to "license" owning NBC detectors.

Individuals and companies have increasingly expressed interest in buying detectors to warn them in case of a biological, chemical or radiological attack. But now a City Council committee is considering a proposal that would require New Yorkers to get a permit from the Police Department to buy or use such detectors. /snip/

This is a possibility that does have "legs" if you'll pardon the pun.

I first became aware of the possibility of such devices from the late Sherman Skolnick. Here's an excerpt from one of his articles:

" One of the great secrets of Chicago, if not the nation, is that 8 downtown buildings do not need Edison. In their sub-basement, carefully hidden by secret entrances from office workers, are atomic "pigs".Called that because the compact mechanisms seem to stand on feet like such an animal and operate much like in a nuclear-powered submarine. Using such cheap, efficient power, such buildings leave their lights on all night. Why? Turning the fluorescent bulbs and electronic devices on and off too much make them "pop". ..."

Source: The Electric Scandal

So, the idea that there were hidden mini-nuke generators in the sub-basements is technically feasible. Whether that is the case is an unknown.

I had heard about the attempt to outlaw detectors in NYC. That was, to say the least, a suspect proposal. The question of course is why would they want to do that i.e., outlaw private ownership and posession of detection equipment. The only reasonable conclusion is that there was something that someone does not want people to detect of nuclear nature. There is no other sane reason.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-23   19:27:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Original_Intent, PSUSA, Disgusted, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, christine, Jethro Tull, Critter (#34)

the idea that there were hidden mini-nuke generators in the sub-basements is technically feasible. Whether that is the case is an unknown.

Interesting. Do we know what types of cancers and illness-related deaths have happened to which those brave policemen and women, firemen and women, emergency personnel have succumbed?

litus  posted on  2009-04-23   21:01:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: litus (#39)

Insufficient data. I'd have to do some research. Just anecdotally - I know that a lot have been dying from respiratory problems. That would be congruent with exposure to radiation - particularly in the form of airborne particulates.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-04-23   21:05:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#41. To: Original_Intent (#40)

I know that a lot have been dying from respiratory problems. That would be congruent with exposure to radiation

Very possible; OTOH....there was so much white crap that you couldn't see in front of your feet. Let's say, for argument's sake, there was no radiation from this other speculation....wouldn't that amount of thick dust being inhaled also cause as much respiratory problems (and death)?

litus  posted on  2009-04-23 21:08:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent (#40)

Insufficient data. I'd have to do some research. Just anecdotally - I know that a lot have been dying from respiratory problems. That would be congruent with exposure to radiation - particularly in the form of airborne particulates.

Not really. Asbestos though could cause that.

RickyJ  posted on  2009-04-23 21:16:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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