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Title: Shepherd Smith: We are America! We don't fucking torture!
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Published: Apr 22, 2009
Author: Fox
Post Date: 2009-04-22 22:25:12 by randge
Keywords: Shepherd Smitth, Torture, Memos, F-word
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#1. To: randge (#0)
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Nice act. Their ratings must being going down for such a performance. BTW, there is nothing wrong with getting info from your enemy if it will save lives even if it involves torture. Would you rather a nuke go off in a city and kill millions or one guy to be tortured into spilling the beans? The problem is the government is our enemy, and the only info they want is who might be trying to shut them down.
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Shepherd Smith is just a talking head reading a script who gets too wound up sometimes.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. to paraphrase Smith: "Torture is wrong but it doesn't matter we don't do it." What a dumb a&& he is. Sorry rickyj, you can't have it both ways. Most professionals will tell you that torture is counter-productive. If you were innocent, would you not tell your interrogators ANYThing to stop the pain????? Governments know this, which is why tyrants have always used it to gain admissions, however false, in order to promote their agendas, not to seek the truth. Torture is a vile evil as are the governments that resort to it for any reason.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition The pathological case always presents the poorest paramters for decision making. And torture yields poor intelligence. This country got through WWII without it and German and British intelligence didn't resort to using it on each other's bomber crews held prisoner. I imagine on that day when the lives of everyone in Houston or New York depends on the words of one prisoner, they'll pull the guy's arms out of their sockets, save the day, and be pardoned for it. Generally, it's cruel and unusual, and contravenes our sense of civilized behavior and values. It demeans our dignity and reputation as a nation. Not least of all, it is also corrosive of the souls of men who have to do it. No, we don't fucking torture.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. We don't, but our government does and will continue to do so. People are evil, torture will never go away. BTW, it looked liked Smith was about to torture the guy sitting next to him for arguing the merits of torture. Not the way to make the point. Killing innocent people in Iraq is a form of torture, but you don't see Smith going bonkers over that. Nope, that is not even reported on Fox News.
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You're right. In fact, no crimes that we know of will just go away. I think the question here, Ricky, is whether we continue to carry out torture as a matter of policy. That's a distinction with a difference.
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was this actually aired? no bleeps??
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I think we should torture the people responsible for 9/11. Not to get info, just to make their last few minutes on earth a complete horror for them, lest some other asshole gov't black ops folks think it is wise to carry out another false flagger on us.
#2. To: randge (#0)
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#3. To: randge, rickyj (#0)
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there is nothing wrong with getting info from your enemy if it will save lives even if it involves torture.
#4. To: RickyJ (#1)
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#5. To: randge (#4)
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No, we don't fucking torture.
#6. To: RickyJ (#5)
People are evil, torture will never go away.
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#7. To: IndieTX (#3)
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#8. To: randge (#0)
#9. To: RickyJ (#1)
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
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#10. To: christine (#7)
He hit .223 for the Pirates, didn't he??
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#11. To: Critter (#9)
We are all being tortured in some form everyday. Listening to Fox News is torture to me.
I think we should torture the people responsible for 9/11. Not to get info, just to make their last few minutes on earth a complete horror for them, lest some other asshole gov't black ops folks think it is wise to carry out another false flagger on us.
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#12. To: Critter (#9)
Mass murderers should get life with a webcam in their cells.
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#13. To: christine (#8)
I only saw this on YouTube, but on googling this, yes, I think this went out live over the cable without bleeps. I think he was "in the bag" as they say. It's occurred to me more than once in the few times that I've watched him that he likes a few before he goes on.
was this actually aired? no bleeps??
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#14. To: randge (#10)
heeeee..not that Earl Turner. ;P
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#15. To: RickyJ (#1)
As a field expedient, it may have uses. I would certainly consider torturing someone I was convinced had participated in kidnapping and selling my daughter, like in the movie. Of course torture never works; this is why the mob never breaks legs. (Incidentally, the real rates loan sharks charged 60 years ago were lower than many of today's perfectly legal rates. The breaking of legs may have something to do with this.) But as soon as the bureaucracy gets involved... It's interesting how morals vary from place to place and era to era. Traditionally, Mexican police thought nothing of beating prisoners for information, but considered undercover work to be very dishonorable.
BTW, there is nothing wrong with getting info from your enemy if it will save lives even if it involves torture.
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#16. To: RickyJ (#1)
This is foolishness, often repeated. The chances that that particular situation will occur are extremely remote. Instead, this extreme argument is used to justify torture to weak-minded people as a routine administrative interrogation technique. This is precisely the propaganda technique foisted upon us by the neocons which the idiot public has fallen for. This is no more high-minded than the use of torture by the Inquisition to supposedly save people's souls. It surprises me that Americans are so dimwitted and immoral that they simply don't care. In fact, you could probably make a huge hit reality show by televising state torture. Hey, go PPV and make the big bucks out of torture! After all, why should anyone object if you're saving millions of people, eh? And if you do allow torture on these farfetched pretexts, then why not allow people to torture the suspect's children or dog or cat or mother or father or wife or husband? Why draw the line at only torturing the suspect? After all, you have a city of millions to save so why not torture a baby to make his daddy talk? Think of the greater good. Of course, persons with any moral fiber know that there are no bad means to good ends. Naturally, for all the people we have tortured so far (and continue to torture in the supposedly "secret prisons" in Thailand and Romania and Egypt and elsewhere), we have not once had the justification of trying to save a city from WMD. It's another Bush-era neocon lie to fall for this nonsense. There were no WMD in Iraq; the invasion was an international crime. There have been no credible WMD threats revealed by torture; our administrative torture is despicable and also an international crime by any civilized standard. I'm rather surprised that anyone here at 4um falls for these hokey justification adopted wholesale from Israel's pro-torture policy. These were direct imports from the talking points to justify routine administrative torture in Israel.
Would you rather a nuke go off in a city and kill millions or one guy to be tortured into spilling the beans?
#17. To: randge (#0)
You do realize Shep's just a newsreader, living off in his little liberal gay party-boy Manhattan milieu and thinking he's some kind of rogue Republican in that sewer? We're not supposed to take his opinions quite so seriously. There are times when analysis isn't that useful since The Shep is a fucking idiot most of the time. Still, he's pleasant to watch and reads junior-high level news copy without stumbling too often. My cavils aside, he's one of the few Faux people I can stomach watching any more.
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#18. To: TooConservative (#16)
Well said. Torture is the tool of barbarians and tyrants not of a free and civilized people.
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#19. To: IndieTX (#3)
Torture is a vile evil as are the governments that resort to it for any reason. You got it !!!
Sorry rickyj, you can't have it both ways. Most professionals will tell you that torture is counter-productive. If you were innocent, would you not tell your interrogators ANYThing to stop the pain????? Governments know this, which is why tyrants have always used it to gain admissions, however false, in order to promote their agendas, not to seek the truth.
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#20. To: RickyJ (#1)
Is that what your Jesus would say? Is it ok to torture somebody thinking you have the right guy and you torture them and they can't confess because they are innocent. I guess you don't really believe in innocent until proven guilty. Are you really an American?
Would you rather a nuke go off in a city and kill millions or one guy to be tortured into spilling the beans?
#21. To: Old Friend (#20)
One guy tortured as long as you were that guy, orr are you a girl? A jew bitch?
Would you rather a nuke go off in a city and kill millions or one guy to be tortured into spilling the beans?
#22. To: TooConservative (#16)
But that is a line we didn't draw. Military and civilian shitbags tortured kids. And if the people in this country dont care, then I dont care about them. Let them rot. They deserve what's coming. .
And if you do allow torture on these farfetched pretexts, then why not allow people to torture the suspect's children or dog or cat or mother or father or wife or husband? Why draw the line at only torturing the suspect?
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#23. To: Old Friend (#20)
The gook was thirsty, was thirsty.
#24. To: Tony Two Times (#23) (Edited)
Goodfella! ;) Too bad ya got whacked.
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#25. To: TooConservative (#17)
Fox makes me want to vomit, and I never watch it. The only reason I caught this bit is because I was surfing around on an unrelated issue. I just thought it was wild seeing that well-dressed young souse slamming his hand on the table and shouting "WE DO NOT FUCKING TORTURE.(Oops.)" Used to have a dear friend who was an alcoholic and who would blurt out untoward (but accurate) observations like that and then say "Oops." This was funny, no?
You do realize Shep's just a newsreader,
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#26. To: TooConservative (#16)
Whether you agree with torture or not, it has and will continue to happen around the world. Pretending it won't due to some law is living in fantasy land.
I'm rather surprised that anyone here at 4um falls for these hokey justification adopted wholesale from Israel's pro-torture policy. These were direct imports from the talking points to justify routine administrative torture in Israel.
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#27. To: randge (#0)
BTW, if torture wasn't effective it wouldn't be done. A moral person would not do it. But very few are moral enough to not torture an enemy.
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#28. To: randge (#25) (Edited)
I leave it on when I see Shannon Bream or Martha Macallum, I just use the mute button to filter out the BS :-o P.S. I'm guessing SS had a vodka-and-tonic before he went on the air.
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#29. To: TooConservative (#16)
excellent post
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#30. To: RickyJ (#26)
Civilization consists of those things we do not do, things that make us like animals or worse than animals. You're immoral. And you're uncivilized. Beyond that, you don't even recognize that torture isn't an effective means of gathering intel. Hopefully, you aren't raising any children on whom you would inflict such morally defective views. My hope is that you are not a typical American. The jury is still out but I will admit that it seems the uncivilized and ignorant element (you and people like you) have the upper hand. But this can change if enough people stand up for civilized values. The problem in terms of being civilized isn't the means of torture or the amount of pain inflicted. It is that you have become a torture society, a coercive society. Why does such a blatant neocon like you who dutifully repeats the Israeli torture talking points bother to post here at 4um anyway? Don't we already have enough statists in libmedia to sing the praises of torture in patriotic refrains?
Whether you agree with torture or not, it has and will continue to happen around the world. Pretending it won't due to some law is living in fantasy land.
#31. To: christine (#29)
Thank you, christine. I do gather some hope that a large majority of posters here do not endorse torture when the question is put to them in a straightforward way. So you have some reason here to be proud of your forum members. At sites like FR or even LP, you'd have the pro-torture element in the majority. So 4um's members look pretty good by comparison, at least to me. BushCo, ObamaCo, and the state's stenographers (liberal media) have not completely dominated the agenda on the matter of institutional torture. BTW, most people aren't aware that even the Soviet Union abandoned the use of routine administrative torture in its later years, recognizing that it wasn't effective. It wasn't that they had by any means any moral scruples about employing torture in their gulag or their "mental hospitals"; they simply recognized it was too unreliable and incited too much animosity against the state for the amount of useful intel it generated.
excellent post
#32. To: X-15 (#28)
Yeah, yeah. Just put down that hand lotion and back away from that box of Kleenex you keep handy because of your "allergy". :)
I leave it on when I see Shannon Bream or Martha Macallum, I just use the mute button to filter out the BS :-o
#33. To: TooConservative (#30) (Edited)
OK, if you say so. And you are not? We are all immoral. Torture of course is wrong, but torture is used in varying degrees everywhere. Public education and the non-stop programming of all US TV viewers is torture of the mind. Torture works, as can be seen by the wide spread acceptance of the official 9/11 story as truth among Americans. Fluoride and chlorine in our water supply is torture of the general populace. GM foods is another form of torture.
You're immoral. And you're uncivilized. Beyond that, you don't even recognize that torture isn't an effective means of gathering intel.
God is always good!
#34. To: RickyJ (#33)
Stop conflating unrelated issues with the straightforward matter of administrative torture. Judging by this thread, no one here at 4um is fooled by this neocon posturing which probably little more than a garbled repetition of talking points from Faux News or NYT/WP. Hopefully, you haven't fooled yourself into actually believing such neocon nonsense; if you are that deluded, do the rest of us a favor and please stop voting. Or you could just shoot yourself in the head.
Torture of course is wrong, but torture is used in varying degrees everywhere. Public education and the non-stop programming of all US TV viewers is torture of the mind. Torture works, as can be seen by the wide spread acceptance of the official 9/11 story as truth among Americans. Fluoride and chlorine in our water supply is torture of the general populace. GM foods is another form of torture.
#35. To: TooConservative (#31)
i wasn't. thanks for educating me. oh, how far we've fallen as a nation. btw, have you seen Taxi To The Dark Side? This documentary murder mystery examines the death of an Afghan taxi driver at Bagram Air Base from injuries inflicted by U.S. soldiers. In an unflinching look at the Bush administration's policy on torture, the filmmaker behind Enron: the Smartest Guys in the Room takes us from a village in Afghanistan to Guantanamo and straight to the White House. In English and Pashtu.
BTW, most people aren't aware that even the Soviet Union abandoned the use of routine administrative torture in its later years, recognizing that it wasn't effective.
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#36. To: TooConservative (#34)
I suggest torturing the quislings and I suggest allowing me to do it.
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#37. To: TooConservative (#34) (Edited)
Unrelated my ass. Torture is torture however it is administered and comes in many forms. Please stop deluding yourself. Was the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies in WW2 torture? Of course it was.
Stop conflating unrelated issues with the straightforward matter of administrative torture.
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#38. To: Old Friend (#20) (Edited)
You support Israel and you are against torture? Do you not know that they torture Palestinians daily? Are you an American or an Israeli? Or are you both?
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#39. To: Old Friend (#37)
I just paid Max Ginsberg, from Max's Men's Shop $85 to alter my Sharkskin 2 Button Suit. And you say the Jews aren't out to screw me?
#40. To: RickyJ (#37)
I rest my case. You are an obvious cretin. Don't make the mistake of assuming I wish to debate this point with you; your words speak for you well enough.
Unrelated my ass. ... Was the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies in WW2 torture? Of course it was.
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
;-)
Did they take it in or take it out ?
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