Their ratings must being going down for such a performance.
BTW, there is nothing wrong with getting info from your enemy if it will save lives even if it involves torture. Would you rather a nuke go off in a city and kill millions or one guy to be tortured into spilling the beans? The problem is the government is our enemy, and the only info they want is who might be trying to shut them down.
Would you rather a nuke go off in a city and kill millions or one guy to be tortured into spilling the beans?
This is foolishness, often repeated.
The chances that that particular situation will occur are extremely remote.
Instead, this extreme argument is used to justify torture to weak-minded people as a routine administrative interrogation technique. This is precisely the propaganda technique foisted upon us by the neocons which the idiot public has fallen for. This is no more high-minded than the use of torture by the Inquisition to supposedly save people's souls.
It surprises me that Americans are so dimwitted and immoral that they simply don't care. In fact, you could probably make a huge hit reality show by televising state torture. Hey, go PPV and make the big bucks out of torture! After all, why should anyone object if you're saving millions of people, eh?
And if you do allow torture on these farfetched pretexts, then why not allow people to torture the suspect's children or dog or cat or mother or father or wife or husband? Why draw the line at only torturing the suspect? After all, you have a city of millions to save so why not torture a baby to make his daddy talk? Think of the greater good.
Of course, persons with any moral fiber know that there are no bad means to good ends.
Naturally, for all the people we have tortured so far (and continue to torture in the supposedly "secret prisons" in Thailand and Romania and Egypt and elsewhere), we have not once had the justification of trying to save a city from WMD.
It's another Bush-era neocon lie to fall for this nonsense. There were no WMD in Iraq; the invasion was an international crime. There have been no credible WMD threats revealed by torture; our administrative torture is despicable and also an international crime by any civilized standard.
I'm rather surprised that anyone here at 4um falls for these hokey justification adopted wholesale from Israel's pro-torture policy. These were direct imports from the talking points to justify routine administrative torture in Israel.
I'm rather surprised that anyone here at 4um falls for these hokey justification adopted wholesale from Israel's pro-torture policy. These were direct imports from the talking points to justify routine administrative torture in Israel.
Whether you agree with torture or not, it has and will continue to happen around the world. Pretending it won't due to some law is living in fantasy land.
Whether you agree with torture or not, it has and will continue to happen around the world. Pretending it won't due to some law is living in fantasy land.
Civilization consists of those things we do not do, things that make us like animals or worse than animals.
You're immoral. And you're uncivilized. Beyond that, you don't even recognize that torture isn't an effective means of gathering intel. Hopefully, you aren't raising any children on whom you would inflict such morally defective views.
My hope is that you are not a typical American. The jury is still out but I will admit that it seems the uncivilized and ignorant element (you and people like you) have the upper hand. But this can change if enough people stand up for civilized values.
The problem in terms of being civilized isn't the means of torture or the amount of pain inflicted. It is that you have become a torture society, a coercive society.
Why does such a blatant neocon like you who dutifully repeats the Israeli torture talking points bother to post here at 4um anyway? Don't we already have enough statists in libmedia to sing the praises of torture in patriotic refrains?
You're immoral. And you're uncivilized. Beyond that, you don't even recognize that torture isn't an effective means of gathering intel.
OK, if you say so.
And you are not?
We are all immoral.
Torture of course is wrong, but torture is used in varying degrees everywhere. Public education and the non-stop programming of all US TV viewers is torture of the mind. Torture works, as can be seen by the wide spread acceptance of the official 9/11 story as truth among Americans. Fluoride and chlorine in our water supply is torture of the general populace. GM foods is another form of torture.
Torture of course is wrong, but torture is used in varying degrees everywhere. Public education and the non-stop programming of all US TV viewers is torture of the mind. Torture works, as can be seen by the wide spread acceptance of the official 9/11 story as truth among Americans. Fluoride and chlorine in our water supply is torture of the general populace. GM foods is another form of torture.
Stop conflating unrelated issues with the straightforward matter of administrative torture. Judging by this thread, no one here at 4um is fooled by this neocon posturing which probably little more than a garbled repetition of talking points from Faux News or NYT/WP.
Hopefully, you haven't fooled yourself into actually believing such neocon nonsense; if you are that deluded, do the rest of us a favor and please stop voting. Or you could just shoot yourself in the head.
Stop conflating unrelated issues with the straightforward matter of administrative torture.
Unrelated my ass.
Torture is torture however it is administered and comes in many forms. Please stop deluding yourself. Was the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies in WW2 torture? Of course it was.