Their ratings must being going down for such a performance.
BTW, there is nothing wrong with getting info from your enemy if it will save lives even if it involves torture. Would you rather a nuke go off in a city and kill millions or one guy to be tortured into spilling the beans? The problem is the government is our enemy, and the only info they want is who might be trying to shut them down.
The pathological case always presents the poorest paramters for decision making.
And torture yields poor intelligence.
This country got through WWII without it and German and British intelligence didn't resort to using it on each other's bomber crews held prisoner.
I imagine on that day when the lives of everyone in Houston or New York depends on the words of one prisoner, they'll pull the guy's arms out of their sockets, save the day, and be pardoned for it.
Generally, it's cruel and unusual, and contravenes our sense of civilized behavior and values. It demeans our dignity and reputation as a nation. Not least of all, it is also corrosive of the souls of men who have to do it.
But we do and have done so since the start of this nation. The USA is not a moral nation, it never has been. The genocide of native Americans and the false flag events that led to the invasion of Mexico, Cuba, the Philippines, Vietnam, and Afghanistan are more than enough proof that America is a immoral nation. It seems Shepherd and many on this thread have been living in fantasy land about the morality of the USA.
It seems Shepherd and many on this thread have been living in fantasy land about the morality of the USA.
You don't have to list the transgressions for me, Ricky, I know the litany well. From the Trail of Tears to the Tuskegee "Experiments," there are a list of horrors that we don't speak much of in public, least of all on Fox, I might add. I could fix you up a good sized list, but I don't have to do that for you or the other folks that inhabit this forum.
I'm well aware of the trangression this country has been party to, and I've been conscious of grave episodes of moral blindness since the days when young men were fed into hopper in Vietnam and a president's head was blown apart by forces that have yet to be named at large.
Yet I won't deprecate words or actions that affirm that we will hew to international conventions and the Constitution and Bill of Rights in remaining faithful to the propostition that civil rights and immunities cannot be infringed upon without due process, and that we will not carry out cruel and unusual acts against persons as a matter of law and policy.
By your measure, yes we are an immoral nation. But find me a moral one by that same measure. Every people and their successive governments have skeletons in their closets. I'm not on the Fox peanut gallery, but I know that this country was born in a rough and tumble world where the calculus of power and the depredations of oppressive government was often much more inhuman than those found on our shores. That is why people streamed here - to find conditions that were less barbaric the ones they had endured at home.
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. I'm OK with small victories. I'm OK with it when Smith says "We do not torture."