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Title: (Jason Bermas and) Loose Change Is A Lie - Avery's Confession!
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Published: Jan 21, 2009
Author: Jason and Dylan
Post Date: 2009-04-24 20:51:23 by Itistoolate
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(Jason Bermas and) Loose Change creator Dylan Avery confesses that his "documentary" is full of errors, lies & dubious claims not backed up by facts! Yet dim witted "truthers" still believe his garbage. "Truthers" - it's time to wise up & do some research of your own instead of taking the word of a self confessed liar. A credit is owed to Slimebuster who posted something similar a little while back! I just wanted to do my own take on "truther" idiocy where Loose Change is concerned.
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#5. To: Itistoolate (#4)
Same. I have more books and DVDs here it would take me 5-years, 18 hours a day just to wade thru it all.
that quote was paraphrased by the writer a bit much, is this what they call spin? i agree. hey, and now i believe the official story! /s
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Sounds like a classic "honey pot" operation. Put a lie out, circulate and market it, then reveal it as a lie and use it to discredit those who agreed with it.
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#6. To: Rotara (#1)
I never have watched Loose Change.
#7. To: Itistoolate (#0)
(Jason Bermas and) Loose Change creator Dylan Avery confesses that his "documentary" is full of errors, lies & dubious claims not backed up by facts!
Anyhow, here is the actual quote
"I'll be the first to admit that our film definately contained errors, it still does contain some dubious claims and it definately does come to some conclusions that are not 100% backed up by facts."
That sounds more like an honest assesment of one's work looking back, not a confession of deliberately creating a lie. (imo)
~ tis better to live as your own man, than as a fool in someone elses dream ~
#8. To: Amandil (#7)
That sounds more like an honest assesment of one's work looking back, not a confession of deliberately creating a lie. (imo)
#9. To: christine (#8)
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#10. To: Amandil (#7) (Edited)
We went from the entire 911 truth movement is a big lie to a recognition of some particular failures in the presentation by Avery. And in just seven posts. Thanks. Next.
That sounds more like an honest assesment of one's work looking back, not a confession of deliberately creating a lie. (imo)
#11. To: christine (#8)
You know with all that dust in the air you really can't be sure that the towers actually came down at all. Maybe it was one of them there lusions.
i agree. hey, and now i believe the official story! /s
#12. To: wakeup (#11)
Look at all the versions there are www.question911.com/linksall.htm They made alot of money on it
#13. To: wakeup (#10)
~ it's bad enough we gotta deal with all the liberty the MSN takes with facts, we shouldn't have to be doin it here as well ... never watched all of Loose Change myself, just a clip here 'n thereWe went from the entire 911 truth movement is a big lie to a recognition of some particular failures in the presentation by Avery. And in just seven posts.
so, what exactly is a 'truther' anyhow? are they really blanketting everyone who questions the official lie with that nic or just the ones really 'out there' who thinks it was all a hologram and the buildings are really still there, being used for FEMA camps?
~ tis better to live as your own man, than as a fool in someone elses dream ~
#14. To: Itistoolate (#12)
They made alot of money on it web site says - "All of these downloadable movies are free. Click the links to be taken to the download page ... These video downloads are shared in the spirit of learning."Look at all the versions there are www.question911.com/linksall.htm
~ tis better to live as your own man, than as a fool in someone elses dream ~
#15. To: Amandil, ALL (#7) (Edited)
THAT is a lawyeresque way to say WE LIED. Period. I've never seen LC and won't bother.
"I'll be the first to admit that our film definately contained errors, it still does contain some dubious claims and it definately does come to some conclusions that are not 100% backed up by facts."
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#16. To: Rotara, Itistoolate, TwentyTwelve, all (#1)
I never have watched Loose Change. I've never even watched a clip of it, nor any of Alex Jones's movies.
Want to hear a funny ?
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#17. To: Itistoolate (#0)
This is old news. The updated versions were cleaned up quite a bit. I believe their original was not done very seriously, but after it took off, they revised it to be more factual.
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#18. To: Original_Intent, Rotara, Itistoolate, TwentyTwelve (#16)
I've watched some of Jone's videos, the latest being the Obama Deception. Has some good information in it but there is a lot of filler too making the movie longer than it needed to be.
I've never even watched a clip of it, nor any of Alex Jones's movies.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#19. To: farmfriend (#18)
Yeah like the first 80 minutes.
I've watched some of Jone's videos, the latest being the Obama Deception. Has some good information in it but there is a lot of filler too making the movie longer than it needed to be.
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#20. To: IndieTX (#19)
LOL yeah I remember thinking there was only about 30 minutes of real information.
Yeah like the first 80 minutes.
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#21. To: farmfriend (#18)
I don't need 80 minutes of filler. ;-)
I've watched some of Jone's videos, the latest being the Obama Deception. Has some good information in it but there is a lot of filler too making the movie longer than it needed to be.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#22. To: Itistoolate (#0)
The question is are they talking about the original "Loose Change" which even Bermas has admitted had "weaknesses" or the "Loose Change Final Cut"? I suspect it was the first one and now the disinfo types are trying to convince everyone that it is not the revised and corrected edition which is titled "Loose Change Final Cut".
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#23. To: Original_Intent (#22) (Edited)
I suspect it was the first one and now the disinfo types are trying to convince everyone that it is not the revised and corrected edition which is titled "Loose Change Final Cut". Were any cuts prior to the "final" cut released? If so, they're busted without any "disinfo" type's help/ The disinfo types are those who lie by commission and omission...and who make scads of money exalting themselves on the radio to cult status and/or selling films about which they use 35 words to say "We lied."
The question is are they talking about the original "Loose Change" which even Bermas has admitted had "weaknesses" or the "Loose Change Final Cut"?
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#24. To: IndieTX (#23)
The "Final Cut" edition was basically rewritten and fact checked - anything that was not documented was left out. So, yes they do have an "Achilles Heel" because of the original - which they did on a shoestring by themselves. I learned a long time ago not to stick my neck out too far as the disinfo shills were more than happy to cut it off.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#25. To: Original_Intent (#21)
LOL, no but the rest of the information is good. I watched the movie as part of a social event or I probably would not have taken the time.
I don't need 80 minutes of filler. ;-)
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#26. To: Original_Intent, IndieTX, Itistoolate, rotara, lodwick, jethro tull, twentytwelve, turtle, critter, christine (#22)
The JBS films are much better. They don't have the extreme filler that Jones' movies have. I recommend The Nation's Deathbed. Excellent expose on government military tactics when dealing with protests. I'll post the trailer here and start a thread for the movie. The funniest part is when some "protesters" with rocks try to start a riot. Oddly enough they had the exact same boots as the police!
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#6) (Edited)
What else is there to do after the kids are grown? Semi-serious. My world revolves around my kids, and most of my life before them now seems rather pointless. My biggest regret is not having kids sooner. My eldest is seven, and I'm now beginning to glimpse the end of the time when I am with her daily.
Same. I have more books and DVDs here it would take me 5-years, 18 hours a day just to wade thru it all.
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
#28. To: Elliott Jackalope (#9)
That is what the government did with the "no plane hit the Pentagon" fiasco. That was nothing more than government controlled disinformation to draw attention away from the real issue and to discredit anybody who questioned what the hell happened.
#29. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#28)
This is why I focus entirely on WTC 7 - that's the weakest link in the official story. Just like in boxing, if you open a cut on the other guy, you keep hitting it and hitting it over and over. Same basic principle.
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#30. To: Critter (#17)
Ref. the video of the witness: "then I witnessed both towers collapse" Who talks like that? Most would say, " I saw the towers collapse" or, "I seen them towers fall." He studied a script.
#31. To: wakeup (#30)
No one but an Official Government Scumbag SHILL!!!!
Who talks like that?
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#32. To: Critter (#31)
"mostly due to structural failure" Give me a break.
#33. To: Rotara, jethro tull, christine (#1)
Loose change 2 is probably my favorite film to show people regarding 9/11. i also like IN PLANE SITE, by dave von kleist. Both present the info in a cogent manner. i think they are both good films to show the public and to get people interested., they are both VERY convincing and well done. IMO. despite this fact, both are criticized. let's see some alternatives, which dont put the viewer to sleep. , and arent 4 hours long. NO ONE is going to watch that crap. our group here showed loose change 2 to about 80 people one time, 90 per cent of whom had never seen a 911 movie. not one person was unconvinced afterwards.
I never have watched Loose Change
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#34. To: wakeup, war (#32)
He reminds me of War.
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#35. To: Original_Intent (#24)
i was very disappointed in 'final cut'. we showed it to a group of people and i had not watched it first. it is a mish-mash of info not for the beginner and its not even a very good film. i was angry when watching it and wanted to get out of there. i wont make that mistake again. loose change 2 is pronbably my favorite 911 film. 911 mysteries, too sleepy and dull to keep peoples attention, IMO.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#36. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend (#21)
eegads, i agree. i watched the first half hour of the obama deception and it is way too long and boring. i turned it off and intend to watch it but am not too eager to do it. i know a lot of people who say it is great though. for the beginner new to the topic, i say it is a no go. what do you think?
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#37. To: Original_Intent (#16)
9/11 road to tyranny is a very great film. i highly recommend it. I like jone's older films better than the newer ones.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#38. To: Artisan, Original_Intent (#36) (Edited)
I watched it as a social event with hard core JBSers. There was good information in the film but waaaaayyyyy to much flag waving pump you up stuff so to speak. The JBS films are much better.
what do you think?
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#39. To: Artisan (#36)
I haven't watched it yet. I have put off ordering a copy and can't download video with my current rig - Power PC running Linux. A lot of video formats are not readily supported and I'm not a Linux Geek who can "Sudo" it into cooperating.
eegads, i agree. i watched the first half hour of the obama deception and it is way too long and boring. i turned it off and intend to watch it but am not too eager to do it. i know a lot of people who say it is great though. for the beginner new to the topic, i say it is a no go. what do you think?
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#40. To: Original_Intent, Artisan (#39)
Another nice thing about JBS films, they are on YouTube. You can also pick up copies from Birchers for $1. Speaking of $1, maybe that person here who does the one dollar CDs can send you a copy.
I haven't watched it yet. I have put off ordering a copy and can't download video with my current rig
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#41. To: farmfriend (#40)
Thanks for the data.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#42. To: Itistoolate (#0)
At least they came right out and admitted to making errors. The official fairy tale which is entirely dubious, and contains mostly errors, and may be only 1 or 2% backed by facts, is still parroted by .gov and the lame stream media and the so called debunkers.
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#43. To: Critter (#42)
I saw somewhere that the guy in your video was a bush operative.
#44. To: wakeup (#10) (Edited)
And who exactly said that? Please check the hyperbole at the door. We don't have all the facts and probably never will. The problems start when people think they have all the facts. They overextend themselves and say stupid things. There is a big difference between being wrong about something, and it happens to everyone, and intentionally lying. .
We went from the entire 911 truth movement is a big lie ...
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