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#1. To: TooConservative, Old Friend, PSUSA, randage, christine, Rotara, lodwick, grace_is_by_our_lord, HAPPY2BME-4UM, Prefrontal Vortex, bush_is_a_moonie, Tatarewicz, esso, wbales, sam houston, indietx (#0)
Your thoughts welcome. I suspect that Griffin has modified his views, as expressed on behalf of Western Goals Foundation back in those days. One would hope so.
The Birchers thought anything was acceptable in the name of fighting "godless Communism." They even thought Eisenhower was a commie or at least a "commsymp."
I view Ike pretty favorably, mainly because of his "Farewell Address" warning of the dangers of a "military-industrial complex."
The MIC has now destroyed us. There's not much left to fight for. They spent all the money on militarism and useless wars and now the "homeland" is going Third World - permanently.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
I'd say that the Western Goals Foundation had questionable America Firster qualifications, at best. They were more of a Corporate First, hands-off Capitalism kind of an organization. The FBI was spying on Charles Lindbergh. The FBI was always on the wrong side: it was against true American individuality.
#5. To: Sam Houston, TooConservative, Old Friend (#2)(Edited)
The MIC has now destroyed us. There's not much left to fight for. They spent all the money on militarism and useless wars and now the "homeland" is going Third World - permanently.
i haven't watched and don't know what year this presentation was made, but by your description of it, i would bet that Griffin has had a change of heart. i feel certain that he would not be in favor of the Patriot Acts today.
also, by the following description of his book, Creature from Jekyll Island, where he lays blame for our country's ills isn't communist infiltration. at least that's the impression that i get.
Where does money come from? Where does it go? Who makes it? The money magicians' secrets are unveiled. We get a close look at their mirrors and smoke machines, their pulleys, cogs, and wheels that create the grand illusion called money. A dry and boring subject? Just wait!
You'll be hooked in five minutes. Reads like a detective story - which it really is. But it's all true. This book is about the most blatant scam of all history. It's all here: the cause of wars, boom-bust cycles, inflation, depression, prosperity.
If you get a chance to ask him in detail what he thinks about this, please do. I think it would make a great film or book project for him to explore the topic. I would like to hear how he may have gone from seeing government intelligence and military bureaucracies as being useful bulwarks against external threats like communism, to seeing them as being usurpers of authority. From what I can see, they have actually been imposing the same kinds of oppression those foreign powers were said to be planning for us, and were as far back as the 1840s.
In effect, from my understanding of history and central banking especially, G. Edward Griffin should have known better by the late 1980s. Of course the Soviet empire was a threat then from a strategic perspective, but we know how they had come to power. In many ways, the pro/anti-communist establishments were always both threatening individual liberties for some of the same reasons. Think of conscription imposed on the American people during the Civil War and during WWI. Especially during WWI, it became extremely dangerous to resist the draft. We know why!
I view Ike pretty favorably, mainly because of his "Farewell Address" warning of the dangers of a "military-industrial complex."
Ike was my favorite president of the twentieth century. He had a calmness and a maturity about him that reminds me quite a bit of George Washington. Of course, he had his moments as well. He bargained a slot for Earl Warren on the Supreme Court so Warren would deliver CA's electoral votes, a terrible error that he regretted and should have reneged on. He inserted "under God" into the fascist Pledge when he should have abolished it altogether. And he should have reined in the excesses of McCarthy somewhat, not that McCarthy was wrong about communist infiltration but it did become a frenzied public witch hunt and didn't accomplish its goal of eradicating communist influence in government. He was also probably the only president with enough authority to restrain J. Edgar Hoover but he chose not to do so, not that Hoover had really fully blossomed yet as a Gestapo chief and commissar during Ike's time but the tendency was already obvious enough.
I also like Do-Nothing Warren Harding who did remarkably little damage to the country while he was emperor, mostly because he was too busy partying and having a good time. This is how the Depression of 1921-1922 was only a recession, not a Great Depression. Harding sensibly refused to do anything about it and the markets and the banks straightened it out in only two years, leading to some years of considerable prosperity before the next bust in 1929 when the disastrous Hoover/FDR combo destroyed the economy until 1946.