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Title: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - Obama: "Thrilled to have you."
Source: BreitBart
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97RJ5B01&show_article=1
Published: Apr 28, 2009
Author: By DAVID ESPO
Post Date: 2009-04-28 13:03:44 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
Keywords: None
Views: 4255
Comments: 124

Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats

Apr 28 12:45 PM US/Eastern
By DAVID ESPO
AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON (AP) - Veteran Republican Sen. Arlen Specter disclosed plans Tuesday to switch parties, a move intended to boost his chances of winning re-election next year that will also push Democrats closer to a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority.

"I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans," Specter said in a statement posted on a Web site devoted to Pennsylvania politics and confirmed by his office. Several Senate officials said a formal announcement could come later in the day or Wednesday.

Specter, 79 and in his fifth term, is one of a handful of Republican moderates remaining in Congress in a party now dominated by conservatives. Several officials said the White House as well as leaders in both parties had been involved in discussions leading to his move.

With Specter, Democrats would have 59 Senate seats. Al Franken is ahead in a marathon recount in Minnesota, and if he ultimately wins his race against Republican Norm Coleman, he would become the party's 60th vote. That is the number needed to overcome a filibuster.

Specter faced an extraordinarily difficult re-election challenge in his home state in 2010, having first to confront a challenge from his right in the Republican primary before pivoting to a general election campaign against a Democrat.

"I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," he said in the statement.

"I don't have to say anything to them. They said it to me," Specter said, when asked in a Capitol corridor about abandoning the GOP.

A senior White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because no announcement has yet been made, said at 10:25 a.m. EDT Tuesday President Barack Obama was handed a note while in the Oval Office during his daily economic briefing. The note said: "Specter is announcing he is changing parties." At 10:32, Obama reached Specter by phone and told him "you have my full support" and that the Democratic Party is "thrilled to have you."

Specter had publicly acknowledged that to win in 2010, he would need thousands of Pennsylvania voters who switched from Republican to Democrat last year to vote for Obama to flip back to the GOP to cast ballots for him.

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#42. To: Artisan, HOUNDDAWG, twentytwelve, original_intent, rotara, psusa, christine, deasy, (#24)

Specter then tried to calmly explain why that grotesque assassination fairie tale was factual and indeed plausible but to no avail.

I hate to say this but I have seen Army footage that makes the magic bullet possible. Not saying plausible just possible. They showed high powered rifle shots into gelatin. The bullet did everything but dance. There were loops and curves like you wouldn't believe. They also showed some footage that matches the video of the head shot. He was supposedly shot from behind. Government version anyway. But his head snapped backwards. Well in the Army footage, melon shots this time, the melon always jumped forward when shot. It wasn't being struck from the front that made the melon jump but the blowout on the other side causing the melon to jump in the direction the shot came from.

Not commenting on the assassination here just saying is all.


"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology

farmfriend  posted on  2009-04-29   0:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: IndieTX, christine (#41)

Here's a link to that video on YouTube

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-04-29   1:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Elliott Jackalope (#43)

Thank you!

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IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-29   1:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: redpanther (#43) (Edited)

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2009-04-29   1:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine, HOUNDDAWG, Artisan, Jethro Tull, IndieTx, tom007, litus, James Deffenbach, farmfriend (#29)

Norm Olson: Parents' lawyer thwarted plan to send militias to aid Terri Schiavo

BY FRED GRAY NEWS-REVIEW STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:39 PM EST

Norm Olson, senior adviser to the Michigan militia and pastor of a strong right-to-life church in Wolverine, said Tuesday he had put together an unarmed coalition of state militias that were prepared to storm the Florida hospice where Terri Schiavo has been left to die, and take her to a safe house.

Olson said he needed only the OK from Schiavo's father, Robert Schindler, either directly or through his attorney David Gibbs, to put the plan, called "Operation Resurrection," into action on Sunday.

But Olson said Gibbs contacted the FBI instead of passing his message on to Schindler.

Olson said the FBI had been monitoring e-mails within militia groups and on Tuesday, March 29, sent an agent from Traverse City to his home in Alanson and other agents to militia leaders in the South to question them about the plan.

The FBI was unavailable for comment.

www.petoskeynews.com/arti...local_regional/news01.prt

What a sad chapter. The subprime crisis was being stoked by the trillions of dollars in derivatives such as credit default swaps, right at that very moment. Patriot Acts and executive orders had nullified our constitution. The government was using 9/11 as an excuse for butchering Iraqis, Afghanis, and abetting Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, and this guy wants to start something over a vegetable.

The only thing that comes to mind this morning for me: Maybe the FBI should have been monitoring Norman Podhoretz's E-mail instead of Norm Olson's?

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-29   6:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)

Remember the senate hearing when (Michigan Militia Brigadier General) Norm Olson said to Specter, "I'm not the one who came up with 'the fictional magic bullet story', Senator", or words to that effect.

I didn't hear that but I sure would have liked to.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   9:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: farmfriend (#42)

It wasn't being struck from the front that made the melon jump but the blowout on the other side causing the melon to jump in the direction the shot came from.

Everyone that is familiar with ballistics, even to a superficial degree like me, knows that bullet wounds are rarely straight-in and straight out. No one disputes that. Bullets can fragment and twist and turn inside a body. I read a story once about a soldier getting shot in the chest and the round exited from the foot. True or not? I dont know, I wasn't there.

But in the example I quoted from you: Apples and oranges. Or in this case, melons and heads.

Do that experiment with an animal skull, or even a cadaver, or even a fleshed out skull with cow brains inside and see what happens.

I bet there's a good reason they used melons in that half-assed "experiment". If the result is as you describe, then it was the result they wanted to show, not what really happened.

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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.

It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-04-29   9:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: christine (#29)

Very good. Thank you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   10:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Deasy (#46)

The government was using 9/11 as an excuse for butchering Iraqis, Afghanis, and abetting Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, and this guy wants to start something over a vegetable.

Not to get into siderailing here, but Terri was not a vegetable. She was a human being who was, according to her own doctor and family, responsive and aware. This as opposed to those who have the euthanasia agenda as their goal. They have succeeded in many ways into causing people to think nothing about discarding "useless eaters." Christ says that those who cannot protect themselves should be helped by those who can. Olson was doing that.

Aside from this area, I agree with your points.

litus  posted on  2009-04-29   10:03:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)

Don't forget goldmen sux !


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-29   10:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: litus (#50)

Not to get into siderailing here, but Terri was not a vegetable. She was a human being who was, according to her own doctor and family, responsive and aware. This as opposed to those who have the euthanasia agenda as their goal. They have succeeded in many ways into causing people to think nothing about discarding "useless eaters." Christ says that those who cannot protect themselves should be helped by those who can. Olson was doing that.

Aside from this area, I agree with your points.

I agree with you too. Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   11:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: James Deffenbach, litus (#52)

Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.

Along with the PIGS in the area that were 'juz fallaling ohdaz' by arresting children bringing her a cup of water.

I'll never forget who deserves what in that group so long as I live.

I hope to live long enough to piss on her "husband's" grave. Take a dump on him too.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-04-29   11:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: James Deffenbach (#52)

Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.

What a typical or usual remarck from a so-called "red-necked republican", otherwise known as a "conservative." Your claim is the dreadful reason for why America has failed towards you and her people: Schiavo was brain dead for about eight years. No amount of money could bring her back to life; even you and your love for government to revive her.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-04-29   11:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: James Deffenbach (#52)

Shall we describe to the asshats the method of death the State chose for Schiavo? If they starved and dehydrated an aging pet in the same manner, felony charges would have been filed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-04-29   11:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#54)

Schiavo was brain dead for about eight years.

You are a god, too?

litus  posted on  2009-04-29   13:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: James Deffenbach (#52)

Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.

Precisely.

litus  posted on  2009-04-29   13:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Rotara, James Deffenbach (#53)

I'll never forget who deserves what in that group so long as I live.

Neither shall God.

litus  posted on  2009-04-29   13:53:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#29)

do you have a url for what you posted? all i see today is a big x.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2009-04-29   15:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Artisan (#59)

see it now?

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-04-29   15:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Artisan (#59)

it's showing on firefox, but not on IE. here's the url.

www.youtube.com/watch? v=fbVPXk_2-Mg

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-04-29   15:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: farmfriend (#42) (Edited)

I hate to say this but I have seen Army footage that makes the magic bullet possible. Not saying plausible just possible. They showed high powered rifle shots into gelatin. The bullet did everything but dance. There were loops and curves like you wouldn't believe. They also showed some footage that matches the video of the head shot. He was supposedly shot from behind. Government version anyway. But his head snapped backwards. Well in the Army footage, melon shots this time, the melon always jumped forward when shot. It wasn't being struck from the front that made the melon jump but the blowout on the other side causing the melon to jump in the direction the shot came from.

Not commenting on the assassination here just saying is all.

That's right. The gelatin tests showed how bullets perform in ballistic gelatin.

But, the "magic bullet" passed through Kennedy, made a right turn and a left, (performing an "S curve maneuver" if you will) in the airspace between JFK and TX Gov. John Connally, and then proceeded to straighten out its slightly downward trajectory to end up in Connally's forearm.

It defied all known laws of physics and external ballistics, and has never been seen before or after it was required to "calm the American people" and keep us from throwing most of our govt out on their asses.

In fact the events of 9/11 proved what we suspected, that the laws of physics may be suspended when our criminal cartel of a govt needs to hide their culpability. They learned to do this with the JFK assassination, and after getting away with it for 38 years they were confident that the people weren't any better educated in 2001 than in 1963.

The law of mathematical probability alone could easily prove that 9/11 was the result of careful planning and positioning of demolition charges and no other explanation is possible. But, to the average American the intangibility of mathematical science is simply too abstract to grasp, as is the absolute and irrefutable proof it offers in the murder of JFK on 22 November 1963 and the murders of nearly 3,000 people on 9/11/01.

Oswald's brother (of all people) participated in a demo to "prove" that 3 shots could be fired in 6 seconds. He was filmed using a slick, tight, Weatherby rifle instead of a sloppy Carcano with the scope mounted too low to permit rapid cycling of the action, and he aimed at and hit absolutely nothing.

So, (just as with ballistic gelatin tests where the bullet velocity, weight, range to target and other important variables are all unknown) he proved that a slick, tight, Weatherby rifle can be fired 3 times in six seconds as long as no moving targets are involved. And to many Americans that may have constituted "proof" of something meaningful about the assassination of JFK.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-29   17:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)

Any time some 'rep' changes parties, the people should have a chance to change 'reps.'

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-04-29   18:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lodwick (#63)

Any time some 'rep' changes parties, the people should have a chance to change 'reps.'

In a fair America run by voters that would be a given.

But, because senators (and congressmen) are Washington's reps to the states and not vice versa all advantages of incumbency are assumed as entitlements and any troublemakers who try to awaken the masses to the swindles suddenly have tax problems......

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-04-29   18:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Rotara (#53)

Along with the PIGS in the area that were 'juz fallaling ohdaz' by arresting children bringing her a cup of water.

I'll never forget who deserves what in that group so long as I live.

I hope to live long enough to piss on her "husband's" grave. Take a dump on him too.

And the alleged "judge" too.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   18:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#54)

What a typical or usual remarck from a so-called "red-necked republican", otherwise known as a "conservative." Your claim is the dreadful reason for why America has failed towards you and her people: Schiavo was brain dead for about eight years. No amount of money could bring her back to life; even you and your love for government to revive her.

Your comment about my alleged "love for government" proves that you need help and lots of it. And change your screen name all you want to but everyone knows that you are still the same old lush, buckeroo. As for the "red-neck republican" comment that also shows your lack of comprehension. I have been a libertarian since before there was such a thing as the libertarian party.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   18:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#55)

Shall we describe to the asshats the method of death the State chose for Schiavo? If they starved and dehydrated an aging pet in the same manner, felony charges would have been filed.

Of course they would. It is against the law to torture animals but apparently the "judge" who ordered that Terri be tortured to death doesn't concern himself all that much with human suffering. If he were on fire I might help to put it out IF I had a full bladder.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   18:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: litus (#56)

You are a god, too?

Nah, he just thinks he is when he's drunk. Which, unfortunately, seems to be most of the time.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   18:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend (#62)

ut, the "magic bullet" passed through Kennedy, made a right turn and a left, (performing an "S curve maneuver" if you will) in the airspace between JFK and TX Gov. John Connally, and then proceeded to straighten out its slightly downward trajectory to end up in Connally's forearm.

I've shot animals in the brain at close range with high powered firearms and their head has never violated Newton's physics and came towards the the firearm and I have never seen any blast of brain matter coming in the "rocket effect" out of the penetration.

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tom007  posted on  2009-04-29   19:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: James Deffenbach (#66)

Oh no, you are much more than a red-necked Republican; you are a pig-headed dolt unworthy of much more than a casual smile on the street from a passerby whom may choose to toss a dime in your beggar cup.

I really wish you could drop this incessant and annoying bullying about some other poster. Really, you are becoming irritating and diminishing the content of otherwise worthy thread content.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-04-29   19:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: James Deffenbach, litus, PSUSA (#52)

Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.

People need to prioritize. In the grand scheme of things, this was entirely insignificant. It was only advanced medical techniques that permitted Terri to go on living, such as antibiotics and tubal feedings, things that weren't available to Americans before the 20th century. But it made great "Christian right" drama.

Again, we had illegal immigration. We had NAFTA. We had the SPP being drawn up. We had massive tyranny on paper. We had the NSA spying on everything we did. In fact, the FBI knew about General Olsen's planned adventure. Where were conservative Christians on that issue? Arguing until they were blue in the face about Terri's soul.

This is why I've given up on the Christian right. You know, the ones (unlike the two of you) who would sell our souls for Israel.

The Terri Schiavo case was the ultimate diversion, and it truly worked. A hunk of flesh became more important than liberty, and stayed that way for months on end.

This is why we're entrapped by our government. All it takes is the flu or a right to life case to derail any focus on freedom that the majority of "freedom lovers" could muster.

Between the rapture nutters, the prophecy do-nothings, the one issue pro-lifers and marriage defense types, there's really an issue for just about any Christian to go off the deep end with.

Meanwhile the banks own us. The intelligence industrial complex owns us. We have no absolute right to our own earnings, properties, and businesses. Our national sovereignty is in tatters. Firearms and their manufacture and sales are regulated. Information is controlled by a few owners of the media, who by the way played up the Terri Schiavo case to the maximum effect. Israel is still considered an ally.

And people like Alex Jones, who should be expressing leadership, are permitting his listeners and readers to think the flu is part of a depopulation agenda, and wants us all to panic.

Disgusting, but predictable.

Go ahead and change the world, after the rapture, after saving Terri's life, and after panicking due to the flu.

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-29   19:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#70)

Buck, if I still talked the way I used to I might tell you to ESAD or FOAD but I almost never say those things anymore, even to someone who should be told those things and regularly. Remember when Goldi-Lox gave you that two-week "timeout" for your over-the-top posts on LP and you posted almost immediately under a new screen name (shauwn)? Lots of us remember that. For those who may not have seen it here is one of gracie/buck's posts under the name shauwn (and he has also posted under the name Hawaii FIVE_0 and who knows what else).

48. To: Goldi-Lox (#47)

Aye!

That bad poster is really aching our minds; our souls and capabilities to distinguish the perpetrators of his demise. It is best lass to remove him for all eternity as he fights for justice about his own dignity.

shauwn posted on 2007-09-03 20:45:50 ET Reply Trace

About how drunk were you when you posted that idiotic comment, buck?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   19:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Deasy (#71)

I'm not in a panic over the flu or anything else. I said what I meant and meant what I said about Terri Schiavo. She was murdered and in a cruel, inhumane way and that's a fact.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   19:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: James Deffenbach (#72)

Now I am another poster, too? My God, I can't keep up with this historical commentary.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-04-29   19:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#74)

Oh, I am sure you have posted under names on other boards that I don't even know about. The ones I am sure of are shauwn, Hawaii FIVE_0 and buckeroo and the one you are using now.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   19:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: James Deffenbach (#75)

I think you also said I was Yukon and his entire family. The list goes on and on with your wild rants.

Yet, all I do is state a few points of view and ask a few questions.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-04-29   19:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#76)

No, I never said you were yukon. As I recall you posted under the names Yukons Auntie and Yukons Gramma.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   19:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: James Deffenbach (#73)

She was murdered and in a cruel, inhumane way and that's a fact.

Yes, the legal situation as inflamed as it was, made it impossible to euthanize her properly. But that's not as important as the other problems we have. It's just that the Christian right couldn't stop thinking about it.

Deasy  posted on  2009-04-29   19:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: James Deffenbach (#77)

Totally laughable. Incredible challenges that you state. I don't even know who yukon or his family are. Are they here posting on this fine forum chit chatting about your family too?

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-04-29   19:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, JD, all (#76)

Cripes, if you don't have the stones to post in your own name - please, just stop.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-04-29   19:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Deasy, Artisan (#78)

She was a Catholic and so was her family. Euthanasia is a sin to Catholics, at least that is my understanding. I believe Artisan is a Catholic and I am sure there are others on the board who would know that better than I would. But the point is that her family was willing to care for her and her alleged "husband" who had already moved on with his life and had kids with another woman should not have even been allowed to visit her, let alone to finish her off.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   19:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: lodwick, christine (#80)

Cripes, if you don't have the stones to post in your own name - please, just stop.

LOL! lodwick, you do know that is buck, don't you? Just ask Christine, she knows who he is. I assumed you did too since you have probably posted on just about every board he ever has (FR, LP, Freedom Underground, etc.).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-04-29   19:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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