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Title: Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats - Obama: "Thrilled to have you."
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Published: Apr 28, 2009
Author: By DAVID ESPO
Post Date: 2009-04-28 13:03:44 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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"I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans," Specter said in a statement posted on a Web site devoted to Pennsylvania politics and confirmed by his office. Several Senate officials said a formal announcement could come later in the day or Wednesday. Specter, 79 and in his fifth term, is one of a handful of Republican moderates remaining in Congress in a party now dominated by conservatives. Several officials said the White House as well as leaders in both parties had been involved in discussions leading to his move. With Specter, Democrats would have 59 Senate seats. Al Franken is ahead in a marathon recount in Minnesota, and if he ultimately wins his race against Republican Norm Coleman, he would become the party's 60th vote. That is the number needed to overcome a filibuster. Specter faced an extraordinarily difficult re-election challenge in his home state in 2010, having first to confront a challenge from his right in the Republican primary before pivoting to a general election campaign against a Democrat. "I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," he said in the statement. "I don't have to say anything to them. They said it to me," Specter said, when asked in a Capitol corridor about abandoning the GOP. A senior White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because no announcement has yet been made, said at 10:25 a.m. EDT Tuesday President Barack Obama was handed a note while in the Oval Office during his daily economic briefing. The note said: "Specter is announcing he is changing parties." At 10:32, Obama reached Specter by phone and told him "you have my full support" and that the Democratic Party is "thrilled to have you." Specter had publicly acknowledged that to win in 2010, he would need thousands of Pennsylvania voters who switched from Republican to Democrat last year to vote for Obama to flip back to the GOP to cast ballots for him. Specter says he's switching from GOP to Democrats 
Apr 28 12:45 PM US/Eastern
By DAVID ESPO
AP Special Correspondent
(3 images) WASHINGTON (AP) - Veteran Republican Sen. Arlen Specter disclosed plans Tuesday to switch parties, a move intended to boost his chances of winning re-election next year that will also push Democrats closer to a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority.
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Obama was informed of Specter's decison to switch parties at 10:25 this morning while receiving his daily economic briefing in the Oval Office, according to a White House official. Obama was handed a note by an aide that read: "Specter is announcing he is changing parties." The president reached Specter, one of only three Republicans to support his stimulus package, on the phone at 10:32 and told him "you have my full support." He added that we are "thrilled to have you." Officials close to the White House say that Vice President Joe Biden, who served in the Senate with Specter for 28 years from next door Delaware and became close to him through their work on the Judiciary Committee, played a pivotal if quiet role in persuading the five-term senator to switch parties.
The pubbies should have run Meghan.
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What took him so long to admit the obvious??
"I don't have to say anything to them. They said it to me," Specter said, when asked in a Capitol corridor about abandoning the GOP. I wish he'd publish my letter to him. hehehe
Why not publish it yourself here on 4um? He probably never even saw it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The man is busy. You do know that he is a judge on the Supreme Court of Scotland, don't you? "...I have gone back to Scottish law where there are three verdicts: guilty, not guilty, and not proved...."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Arlen Specter is an admitted 33rd degree freemason. This was printed in a favorable article published in the wall street journal in the 1980s. Also included as being mentioned as a 33rd degree mason in the same WSJ article was Jack Kemp. This was sourced in a great book titled BEHIND THE LODGE DOOR, by Catholic writer Paul Fisher.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. ========================================== What was it that killed JFK?
My God. No...I didn't know he quoted from Scottish law to support his opinions as to the perjury of Traitor for a president Klinton. That is my verdict: not proven. The President has dodged perjury by calculated evasion and poor interrogation. Obstruction of justice fails by gaps in the proofs. These people in office......never mind. I hold my tongue. This site is likely being monitored.
Arlen Sphincter's "magic bullet."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Old " Magic Bullet" Specter should have gotten his personal one a LONG TIME ago.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yeah, ol "magic bullet" Sphincter carrying water for Clinton. And on the basis of the laws of Scotland. And I would tell him to his face that I think he is a traitor who sold out many years ago.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm willing to say more than that....but not in this forum. : )
Was it obscenity free? 8>}
>(;^{]
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. >(;^#
remember in 2004 when specter was running in the PA primary against pat toomey, who voters saw as pro-life, and it was a close race. So bush and his wife personally campaigned for specter, made appearances with him, hugged him and insisted he was 'the best man for the job'. He barely won, with bush's help. there used to be a great site called BushRevealed.com that featured links to this story, . it was a site which outlined extensively how bush was not a conservative. of course bush and specter, fellow devil worshippers, stick together.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. of course bush and specter, fellow devil worshippers, stick together. Yeah, I remember. Bush was a sorry excuse for a president (just like his old man and Clinton). You would think out of a nation of over 300 million people that we might have a little better choice than Bush/McCain and Clinton/Obama. They went past the bottom of the barrel with Bush's old man and every one since then has shoveled and dug the hole deeper.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Remember the senate hearing when (Michigan Militia Brigadier General) Norm Olson said to Specter, "I'm not the one who came up with 'the fictional magic bullet story', Senator", or words to that effect. And the whole gallery laughed out loud, a deep, roaring belly laugh that humiliated Specter! Specter then tried to calmly explain why that grotesque assassination fairie tale was factual and indeed plausible but to no avail. From that moment on he had to wonder if his staff, his fellow politicos and even the whole country is deferential in his presence and tippy toes around it but disbelieves him and that whole crock o' dewdie known as The Warren Commission Report because of his blatant lies. (which was confirmed by President "Isn't there an escalator here someplace?" Ford shortly before his death) Perhaps Specter is being positioned to validate the questionable evidence for the next assassination and it will that much more easy to sell coming from a Senior Democrat. I mean, is tapping Specter to chair the next commission any more absurd than the attempt to put Kissinger on the 9/11 Damage Control Team? The irony of this defection is, we're supposed to believe that he's changing parties as a matter of ideology and principle. The real truth is the GOP is dying, having allowed their party to be abused by Israeli Zionists, the MIC and all of BushCo's buddies who strip mined the treasury, and they never gave any thought to how the party would survive once they openly sold their souls for the privilege of an eight year orgy of greed and lust for power. (But this poses no problem for "goal oriented chameleons and "dual loyalists" (sic) like Specter, Lieberman, David Gergen, Ted Turner, etc. And, Specter's move will force the GOP to either get on their knees and deliver everything that AIPAC demands on Israel's behalf, or, back the principled conservatives who are trying to restore the party and take their chances without Jewish financial support. Both with likely prove to be too little, too late, and the graves are being dug as I type. Even the Socialist Republicans (seniors, farmers, all who want govt health care and see this as the chance to get it) will have no choice but to vote in their own interests, and only the extremist "Young Republicans for Christ" and brainless loyalists who'll vote "Republican" no matter who or what their current sales campaign is based around will lemming over the "cliff of losers". And, they won't have the numbers to defeat the majority that has now ripened and are ready to vote themselves govt benefits and not be sidetracked by ancillary issues such as abortion, school prayer, Evolution-Intelligent Design and other issues that don't feed the bull DAWG. President Obama is about to wield the most power of any president since FDR, and all efforts to defeat him will exemplify the futility of resisting an idea whose time has come. That time is, "The Fall Of Rome Book Two".
The real truth is the GOP is dying, having allowed their party to be abused by Israeli Zionists, the MIC and all of BushCo's buddies who strip mined the treasury, and they never gave any thought to how the party would survive once they openly sold their souls for the privilege of an eight year orgy of greed and lust for power. (But this poses no problem for "goal oriented chameleons and "dual loyalists" (sic) like Specter, Lieberman, David Gergen, Ted Turner, etc. . . . That time is, "The Fall Of Rome Book Two". I agree with ya. These people are morally and ethically bankrupt, and they've done the same with and to everything they've touched.
And the whole gallery laughed out loud, a deep, roaring belly laugh that humiliated Specter! Specter then tried to calmly explain why that grotesque assassination fairie tale was factual and indeed plausible but to no avail. I can't listen to the audio right now but is this that clip?? There is also a link to the full vid at the youtube link. American Militia Commander Norman Olson Speaks at Senate
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. You know, I'd be ashamed if Americans were openly posting these types of observations about me. But, the arrogance of incumbent politicians makes me furious at the stoopid voters who feel they owe their "loyalty" to these familiar faces who deliver the "constituent services" that guarantee their careers in and obscenely lucrative pensions from Congress.
that clip doesn't include the statement dawg referred to.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
But, the arrogance of incumbent politicians makes me furious at the stoopid voters who feel they owe their "loyalty" to these familiar faces who deliver the "constituent services" that guarantee their careers in and obscenely lucrative pensions from Congress. I bet most Americans would, but those are the same people who are voting to retain these frauds. What does that say about them, truly, then??? How can anyone DARE continue to vote for the likes of Kennedy, the murderer, Specter, the traitor to America, Hillary, Schumer, and about 90% of the rest of them? What is wrong with the Americans?
That was the hearing. Specter's embarrassing moment isn't in that clip but it may be on another. And, Olson really stuck it to Specter in this one, too. Thanks.
here it is at 7:45. this whole clip is worth watching though.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
That debate will rage in faraway galaxies right along with "What was wrong with the dinosaurs?" And, what good is it to be massive in size and strength if one cannot adapt to environmental changes? And, (as I've posted many times before) perhaps some alien sojourner will stop and place a sign on the burned out cinder that used to be The Blue Planet that reads "GEORGE W. BUSH" And perhaps, it will also read, "The people of this planet were unable to survive the radioactive Depleted Uranium that they liberally sprinkled like the salt on one of their favorite snacks, known as popcorn. Ironically, those who opposed its use were threatened, intimidated and bludgeoned into silence by thuggish groupies and war profiteers all of whom were inexplicably aligned with the chemically deranged and retarded President Bush." And, finally, "Once you read this sign you should leave the area. It will not be safe for vacationers or researchers for nearly 4.5 billion years, the half life of the DU that ultimately killed all life here."
Great find, chris. This is the time to stick that in Specter's rump again. Thank you.
thank you! i wasn't aware of this it all before you brought it up.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
They got beaten into submission by an infinitely rapacious group of oligarchs who wanted absolutely everything for themselves and nothing for anyone else. As a result, the vast majority of the population found themselves working harder and harder for less and less until they were all so busy working themselves to death just to survive that they didn't have any energy left to get involved with their communities or their political system. This suited the oligarchs just fine, of course. At least until the point came where their insatiable greed ended up becoming their undoing.
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Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) announces switch to Dem Party...
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Obama calls Specter, Dems are 'thrilled to have you'...
Decision gives filibuster proof majority...
Denies Switch on March 17: 'It is very important to have a check and balance'...
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#4. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)
#5. To: lodwick, christine, jethro tull, litus (#4)
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#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#5)
#7. To: litus (#6)
"I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," he said in the statement.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#8. To: Rotara (#7)
I wish he'd publish my letter to him.
Lord Acton
#9. To: litus (#6)
What took him so long to admit the obvious??
Lord Acton
#10. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#11. To: Artisan (#10)
This was sourced in a great book titled BEHIND THE LODGE DOOR, by Catholic writer Paul Fisher.
#12. To: James Deffenbach (#9)
You do know that he is a judge on the Supreme Court of Scotland, don't you? "...I have gone back to Scottish law where there are three verdicts: guilty, not guilty, and not proved...."
But on this record, the proofs are not present. Juries in criminal cases under the laws of Scotland have three possible verdicts: guilty, not guilty, not proven. Given the option in this trial, I suspect that many Senators would choose 'not proven' instead of 'not guilty'.
#13. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#11)
What was it that killed JFK?
Lord Acton
#14. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
#15. To: litus (#12)
These people in office......never mind. I hold my tongue. This site is likely being monitored.
Lord Acton
#16. To: James Deffenbach (#15)
And on the basis of the laws of Scotland. And I would tell him to his face that I think he is a traitor who sold out many years ago.
#17. To: Rotara (#7)
I wish he'd publish my letter to him.
#18. To: litus (#16)
I'm willing to say more than that....but not in this forum.
Lord Acton
#19. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
>(;^{]
#20. To: James Deffenbach (#15)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#21. To: Artisan (#20)
remember in 2004 when specter was running in the PA primary against pat toomey, who voters saw as pro-life, and it was a close race. So bush and his wife personally campaigned for specter, made appearances with him, hugged him and insisted he was 'the best man for the job'. He barely won, with bush's help. there used to be a great site called BushRevealed.com that featured links to this story, . it was a site which outlined extensively how bush was not a conservative.
Lord Acton
#22. To: tom007, Deasy, James Deffenbach, litus, Artisan (#14)
Old " Magic Bullet" Specter should have gotten his personal one a LONG TIME ago.
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
The irony of this defection is, we're supposed to believe that he's changing parties as a matter of ideology and principle.
#24. To: HOUNDDAWG, twentytwelve, original_intent, rotara, psusa, christine, deasy, farmfriend, all, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#22)
Remember the senate hearing when (Michigan Militia Brigadier General) Norm Olson said to Specter, "I'm not the one who came up with 'the fictional magic bullet story', Senator", or words to that effect.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#25. To: litus (#23)
These people are morally and ethically bankrupt, and they've done the same with and to everything they've touched.
#26. To: Artisan (#24)
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#25)
I'd be ashamed if Americans were openly posting these types of observations about me.
#28. To: Artisan (#24)
#29. To: HOUNDDAWG, Artisan, Jethro Tull, IndieTx, tom007, litus, James Deffenbach, ALL (#28)
(Edited)
#30. To: litus, christine (#27)
What is wrong with the Americans?
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#32. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
#33. To: litus (#27)
What is wrong with the Americans?
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#34. To: christine (#32)
I'm glad you saw Gen. Olson take the Senior Senator from PA down a notch. At the time I felt that the BDUs and the military insignia frightened and alienated more Americans than it reassured of the legitimate constitutional reasons for the existence of the militia. But, having said that Olson did something that no other civilian has ever done-he set the govt straight with historical facts, and it's only the people's lack of commitment to freedom that allowed that inertia to eventually dissipate.
#35. To: Elliott Jackalope (#33) (Edited)
the vast majority of the population found themselves working harder and harder for less and less until they were all so busy working themselves to death just to survive that they didn't have any energy left to get involved with their communities or their political system.
bingo
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#36. To: litus (#27)
Nothing that the swine flu won't fix.
What is wrong with the Americans?
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#37. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine (#30)
What an absolutely pathetic and depraved sort of people now inhabit this once great country.
what good is it to be massive in size and strength if one cannot adapt to environmental changes?
#38. To: Elliott Jackalope (#33)
But, of course. I hope they all choke on the dollars they idolize.
This suited the oligarchs just fine, of course.
#39. To: christine (#29)
Absolutely! Sweet. thanks for the ping, christine.
this whole clip is worth watching though.
#40. To: X-15 (#36)
Except that the pigs in DC are the ones who'll likely be safe from harm in their towers and gated communities.
Nothing that the swine flu won't fix.
#41. To: christine (#29)
All I see is a placeholder and no vid. Might you have a link? Thanks :)
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#42. To: Artisan, HOUNDDAWG, twentytwelve, original_intent, rotara, psusa, christine, deasy, (#24)
I hate to say this but I have seen Army footage that makes the magic bullet possible. Not saying plausible just possible. They showed high powered rifle shots into gelatin. The bullet did everything but dance. There were loops and curves like you wouldn't believe. They also showed some footage that matches the video of the head shot. He was supposedly shot from behind. Government version anyway. But his head snapped backwards. Well in the Army footage, melon shots this time, the melon always jumped forward when shot. It wasn't being struck from the front that made the melon jump but the blowout on the other side causing the melon to jump in the direction the shot came from. Not commenting on the assassination here just saying is all.
Specter then tried to calmly explain why that grotesque assassination fairie tale was factual and indeed plausible but to no avail.
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#43. To: IndieTX, christine (#41)
Here's a link to that video on YouTube
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#44. To: Elliott Jackalope (#43)
Thank you!
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#45. To: redpanther (#43) (Edited)
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#46. To: christine, HOUNDDAWG, Artisan, Jethro Tull, IndieTx, tom007, litus, James Deffenbach, farmfriend (#29)
Norm Olson, senior adviser to the Michigan militia and pastor of a strong right-to-life church in Wolverine, said Tuesday he had put together an unarmed coalition of state militias that were prepared to storm the Florida hospice where Terri Schiavo has been left to die, and take her to a safe house. www.petoskeynews.com/arti...local_regional/news01.prt What a sad chapter. The subprime crisis was being stoked by the trillions of dollars in derivatives such as credit default swaps, right at that very moment. Patriot Acts and executive orders had nullified our constitution. The government was using 9/11 as an excuse for butchering Iraqis, Afghanis, and abetting Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, and this guy wants to start something over a vegetable. The only thing that comes to mind this morning for me: Maybe the FBI should have been monitoring Norman Podhoretz's E-mail instead of Norm Olson's?
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:39 PM EST
Olson said he needed only the OK from Schiavo's father, Robert Schindler, either directly or through his attorney David Gibbs, to put the plan, called "Operation Resurrection," into action on Sunday.
But Olson said Gibbs contacted the FBI instead of passing his message on to Schindler.
Olson said the FBI had been monitoring e-mails within militia groups and on Tuesday, March 29, sent an agent from Traverse City to his home in Alanson and other agents to militia leaders in the South to question them about the plan.
The FBI was unavailable for comment.
#47. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
I didn't hear that but I sure would have liked to.
Remember the senate hearing when (Michigan Militia Brigadier General) Norm Olson said to Specter, "I'm not the one who came up with 'the fictional magic bullet story', Senator", or words to that effect.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#48. To: farmfriend (#42)
Everyone that is familiar with ballistics, even to a superficial degree like me, knows that bullet wounds are rarely straight-in and straight out. No one disputes that. Bullets can fragment and twist and turn inside a body. I read a story once about a soldier getting shot in the chest and the round exited from the foot. True or not? I dont know, I wasn't there. But in the example I quoted from you: Apples and oranges. Or in this case, melons and heads. Do that experiment with an animal skull, or even a cadaver, or even a fleshed out skull with cow brains inside and see what happens. I bet there's a good reason they used melons in that half-assed "experiment". If the result is as you describe, then it was the result they wanted to show, not what really happened. .
It wasn't being struck from the front that made the melon jump but the blowout on the other side causing the melon to jump in the direction the shot came from.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
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#49. To: christine (#29)
Very good. Thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#50. To: Deasy (#46)
Not to get into siderailing here, but Terri was not a vegetable. She was a human being who was, according to her own doctor and family, responsive and aware. This as opposed to those who have the euthanasia agenda as their goal. They have succeeded in many ways into causing people to think nothing about discarding "useless eaters." Christ says that those who cannot protect themselves should be helped by those who can. Olson was doing that. Aside from this area, I agree with your points.
The government was using 9/11 as an excuse for butchering Iraqis, Afghanis, and abetting Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, and this guy wants to start something over a vegetable.
#51. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
Don't forget goldmen sux !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#52. To: litus (#50)
Aside from this area, I agree with your points. I agree with you too. Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.
Not to get into siderailing here, but Terri was not a vegetable. She was a human being who was, according to her own doctor and family, responsive and aware. This as opposed to those who have the euthanasia agenda as their goal. They have succeeded in many ways into causing people to think nothing about discarding "useless eaters." Christ says that those who cannot protect themselves should be helped by those who can. Olson was doing that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#53. To: James Deffenbach, litus (#52)
Along with the PIGS in the area that were 'juz fallaling ohdaz' by arresting children bringing her a cup of water. I'll never forget who deserves what in that group so long as I live. I hope to live long enough to piss on her "husband's" grave. Take a dump on him too.
Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#54. To: James Deffenbach (#52)
What a typical or usual remarck from a so-called "red-necked republican", otherwise known as a "conservative." Your claim is the dreadful reason for why America has failed towards you and her people: Schiavo was brain dead for about eight years. No amount of money could bring her back to life; even you and your love for government to revive her.
Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.
#55. To: James Deffenbach (#52)
Shall we describe to the asshats the method of death the State chose for Schiavo? If they starved and dehydrated an aging pet in the same manner, felony charges would have been filed.
#56. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#54)
You are a god, too?
Schiavo was brain dead for about eight years.
#57. To: James Deffenbach (#52)
Precisely.
Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.
#58. To: Rotara, James Deffenbach (#53)
Neither shall God.
I'll never forget who deserves what in that group so long as I live.
#59. To: christine (#29)
do you have a url for what you posted? all i see today is a big x.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#60. To: Artisan (#59)
see it now?
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
#61. To: Artisan (#59)
it's showing on firefox, but not on IE. here's the url.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
#62. To: farmfriend (#42) (Edited)
Not commenting on the assassination here just saying is all. That's right. The gelatin tests showed how bullets perform in ballistic gelatin. But, the "magic bullet" passed through Kennedy, made a right turn and a left, (performing an "S curve maneuver" if you will) in the airspace between JFK and TX Gov. John Connally, and then proceeded to straighten out its slightly downward trajectory to end up in Connally's forearm. It defied all known laws of physics and external ballistics, and has never been seen before or after it was required to "calm the American people" and keep us from throwing most of our govt out on their asses. In fact the events of 9/11 proved what we suspected, that the laws of physics may be suspended when our criminal cartel of a govt needs to hide their culpability. They learned to do this with the JFK assassination, and after getting away with it for 38 years they were confident that the people weren't any better educated in 2001 than in 1963. The law of mathematical probability alone could easily prove that 9/11 was the result of careful planning and positioning of demolition charges and no other explanation is possible. But, to the average American the intangibility of mathematical science is simply too abstract to grasp, as is the absolute and irrefutable proof it offers in the murder of JFK on 22 November 1963 and the murders of nearly 3,000 people on 9/11/01. Oswald's brother (of all people) participated in a demo to "prove" that 3 shots could be fired in 6 seconds. He was filmed using a slick, tight, Weatherby rifle instead of a sloppy Carcano with the scope mounted too low to permit rapid cycling of the action, and he aimed at and hit absolutely nothing. So, (just as with ballistic gelatin tests where the bullet velocity, weight, range to target and other important variables are all unknown) he proved that a slick, tight, Weatherby rifle can be fired 3 times in six seconds as long as no moving targets are involved. And to many Americans that may have constituted "proof" of something meaningful about the assassination of JFK.
I hate to say this but I have seen Army footage that makes the magic bullet possible. Not saying plausible just possible. They showed high powered rifle shots into gelatin. The bullet did everything but dance. There were loops and curves like you wouldn't believe. They also showed some footage that matches the video of the head shot. He was supposedly shot from behind. Government version anyway. But his head snapped backwards. Well in the Army footage, melon shots this time, the melon always jumped forward when shot. It wasn't being struck from the front that made the melon jump but the blowout on the other side causing the melon to jump in the direction the shot came from.
#63. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
Any time some 'rep' changes parties, the people should have a chance to change 'reps.'
#64. To: lodwick (#63)
In a fair America run by voters that would be a given. But, because senators (and congressmen) are Washington's reps to the states and not vice versa all advantages of incumbency are assumed as entitlements and any troublemakers who try to awaken the masses to the swindles suddenly have tax problems......
Any time some 'rep' changes parties, the people should have a chance to change 'reps.'
#65. To: Rotara (#53)
I'll never forget who deserves what in that group so long as I live. I hope to live long enough to piss on her "husband's" grave. Take a dump on him too. And the alleged "judge" too.
Along with the PIGS in the area that were 'juz fallaling ohdaz' by arresting children bringing her a cup of water.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#66. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#54)
Your comment about my alleged "love for government" proves that you need help and lots of it. And change your screen name all you want to but everyone knows that you are still the same old lush, buckeroo. As for the "red-neck republican" comment that also shows your lack of comprehension. I have been a libertarian since before there was such a thing as the libertarian party.
What a typical or usual remarck from a so-called "red-necked republican", otherwise known as a "conservative." Your claim is the dreadful reason for why America has failed towards you and her people: Schiavo was brain dead for about eight years. No amount of money could bring her back to life; even you and your love for government to revive her.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#67. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
Of course they would. It is against the law to torture animals but apparently the "judge" who ordered that Terri be tortured to death doesn't concern himself all that much with human suffering. If he were on fire I might help to put it out IF I had a full bladder.
Shall we describe to the asshats the method of death the State chose for Schiavo? If they starved and dehydrated an aging pet in the same manner, felony charges would have been filed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#68. To: litus (#56)
Nah, he just thinks he is when he's drunk. Which, unfortunately, seems to be most of the time.
You are a god, too?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#69. To: HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend (#62)
I've shot animals in the brain at close range with high powered firearms and their head has never violated Newton's physics and came towards the the firearm and I have never seen any blast of brain matter coming in the "rocket effect" out of the penetration.
ut, the "magic bullet" passed through Kennedy, made a right turn and a left, (performing an "S curve maneuver" if you will) in the airspace between JFK and TX Gov. John Connally, and then proceeded to straighten out its slightly downward trajectory to end up in Connally's forearm.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#70. To: James Deffenbach (#66)
Oh no, you are much more than a red-necked Republican; you are a pig-headed dolt unworthy of much more than a casual smile on the street from a passerby whom may choose to toss a dime in your beggar cup. I really wish you could drop this incessant and annoying bullying about some other poster. Really, you are becoming irritating and diminishing the content of otherwise worthy thread content.
#71. To: James Deffenbach, litus, PSUSA (#52)
People need to prioritize. In the grand scheme of things, this was entirely insignificant. It was only advanced medical techniques that permitted Terri to go on living, such as antibiotics and tubal feedings, things that weren't available to Americans before the 20th century. But it made great "Christian right" drama. Again, we had illegal immigration. We had NAFTA. We had the SPP being drawn up. We had massive tyranny on paper. We had the NSA spying on everything we did. In fact, the FBI knew about General Olsen's planned adventure. Where were conservative Christians on that issue? Arguing until they were blue in the face about Terri's soul. This is why I've given up on the Christian right. You know, the ones (unlike the two of you) who would sell our souls for Israel. The Terri Schiavo case was the ultimate diversion, and it truly worked. A hunk of flesh became more important than liberty, and stayed that way for months on end. This is why we're entrapped by our government. All it takes is the flu or a right to life case to derail any focus on freedom that the majority of "freedom lovers" could muster. Between the rapture nutters, the prophecy do-nothings, the one issue pro-lifers and marriage defense types, there's really an issue for just about any Christian to go off the deep end with. Meanwhile the banks own us. The intelligence industrial complex owns us. We have no absolute right to our own earnings, properties, and businesses. Our national sovereignty is in tatters. Firearms and their manufacture and sales are regulated. Information is controlled by a few owners of the media, who by the way played up the Terri Schiavo case to the maximum effect. Israel is still considered an ally. And people like Alex Jones, who should be expressing leadership, are permitting his listeners and readers to think the flu is part of a depopulation agenda, and wants us all to panic. Disgusting, but predictable. Go ahead and change the world, after the rapture, after saving Terri's life, and after panicking due to the flu.
Terri Schiavo was murdered by her so-called "husband" and the "judge" who acted as his accomplice.
#72. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#70)
Buck, if I still talked the way I used to I might tell you to ESAD or FOAD but I almost never say those things anymore, even to someone who should be told those things and regularly. Remember when Goldi-Lox gave you that two-week "timeout" for your over-the-top posts on LP and you posted almost immediately under a new screen name (shauwn)? Lots of us remember that. For those who may not have seen it here is one of gracie/buck's posts under the name shauwn (and he has also posted under the name Hawaii FIVE_0 and who knows what else). 48. To: Goldi-Lox (#47) Aye! That bad poster is really aching our minds; our souls and capabilities to distinguish the perpetrators of his demise. It is best lass to remove him for all eternity as he fights for justice about his own dignity. shauwn posted on 2007-09-03 20:45:50 ET Reply Trace About how drunk were you when you posted that idiotic comment, buck?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#73. To: Deasy (#71)
I'm not in a panic over the flu or anything else. I said what I meant and meant what I said about Terri Schiavo. She was murdered and in a cruel, inhumane way and that's a fact.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#74. To: James Deffenbach (#72)
Now I am another poster, too? My God, I can't keep up with this historical commentary.
#75. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#74)
Oh, I am sure you have posted under names on other boards that I don't even know about. The ones I am sure of are shauwn, Hawaii FIVE_0 and buckeroo and the one you are using now.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#76. To: James Deffenbach (#75)
I think you also said I was Yukon and his entire family. The list goes on and on with your wild rants. Yet, all I do is state a few points of view and ask a few questions.
#77. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#76)
No, I never said you were yukon. As I recall you posted under the names Yukons Auntie and Yukons Gramma.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#78. To: James Deffenbach (#73)
Yes, the legal situation as inflamed as it was, made it impossible to euthanize her properly. But that's not as important as the other problems we have. It's just that the Christian right couldn't stop thinking about it.
She was murdered and in a cruel, inhumane way and that's a fact.
#79. To: James Deffenbach (#77)
Totally laughable. Incredible challenges that you state. I don't even know who yukon or his family are. Are they here posting on this fine forum chit chatting about your family too?
#80. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, JD, all (#76)
Cripes, if you don't have the stones to post in your own name - please, just stop.
#81. To: Deasy, Artisan (#78)
She was a Catholic and so was her family. Euthanasia is a sin to Catholics, at least that is my understanding. I believe Artisan is a Catholic and I am sure there are others on the board who would know that better than I would. But the point is that her family was willing to care for her and her alleged "husband" who had already moved on with his life and had kids with another woman should not have even been allowed to visit her, let alone to finish her off.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#82. To: lodwick, christine (#80)
LOL! lodwick, you do know that is buck, don't you? Just ask Christine, she knows who he is. I assumed you did too since you have probably posted on just about every board he ever has (FR, LP, Freedom Underground, etc.).
Cripes, if you don't have the stones to post in your own name - please, just stop.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#83. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#79)
Right. Sure you don't. Go piss on someone else's leg and tell them it's raining. Won't work with me.
I don't even know who yukon or his family are.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#84. To: James Deffenbach (#83)
I can see you are fairly brain dead. It is entirely your problem not mine. I refuse to play your game anymore.
#85. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#84)
Oh the irony!!! LOL!
I can see you are fairly brain dead.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#86. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
I know the story. Most Americans can't help but know it. FOX News had a holiday with it, thanks to millions of people who were easily drawn into the sad tale of woe. It was aright up there above that poor American girl who died on Aruba in terms of the glee they had with it. Of course this is entirely thanks to people who're willing to watch.
#87. To: Deasy (#86)
If you know the story then you should know that, as a devout Catholic she would not have chosen to die that way (and who would want to be tortured to death?). And her family offered to care for her. Her "husband," if he had had an ounce of human decency, should have allowed them to take care of her. But the fact is that he didn't have even a gram of human decency. Neither did the "judge" who ordered the execution.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#88. To: James Deffenbach (#67)
I'd hold my water for a weed before I pee'd on that psychotic.
If he were on fire I might help to put it out IF I had a full bladder.
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
Yeah, I know what you mean. I think that "judge" and Mikey Schiavo had some connection with Scientology. The area where that happened is a hotbed for those freaks.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#90. To: Deasy, James Deffenbach (#71)
Excuse me. You exist solely because of food and water. That is all Terri needed to continue to live. She was not on any other "life support" beyond food and water. Since when does the manner in which it is administered determine whether or not a person has the right to live? The Constitution affords that as a natural right. It is the state of "default". Terri had no will stating otherwise. He husband, who had gone on with his life, fathering children with another woman, certainly gave up any claims to being a "disinterested" person as far as what would be in Terri's best interest. In fact, before he obtained millions in a lawsuit, he tearfully claimed he would do whatever he could to continue to love her and provide for her, for the rest of his life. It's amazing how that all got swept under the rug after he got the millions and then decided "he remembered" she 'didn't want to live like that.' At the same time, he then stopped allowing any kind of normal treatments upon her, refusing to allow antibiotics given to her and the like. Ultimately, refusing her sustenance, the same thing YOU need to live.
People need to prioritize. In the grand scheme of things, this was entirely insignificant. It was only advanced medical techniques that permitted Terri to go on living, such as antibiotics and tubal feedings, things that weren't available to Americans before the 20th century. But it made great "Christian right" drama.
#91. To: James Deffenbach (#68)
Nah, he just thinks he is when he's drunk. Which, unfortunately, seems to be most of the time. You are a god, too?
#92. To: Deasy, James Deffenbach (#71)
There was a mass of people who had been and continue to be jamming the phone lines about illegals and Amnesty...or do you not remember the militia groups formed, the DC phone lines going down, the outrage across the country that was *finally* waking up the sheeple. Most people back in 2005 did not live along the border states. They did not see that illegals would 'ever' effect them. This is typical myopic way of thinking with people. The media was complicit with this type of tunnel vision. They didn't and still don't report the criminal acts of illegals. They use other words for them...calling them "undocumented" and what have you. Unless you spoon feed most Americans...regardless of faith, they don't get anything. I bet most still don't get the economy, but more do, because now unemployment is at about 18% across the country.
Again, we had illegal immigration. We had NAFTA. We had the SPP being drawn up. We had massive tyranny on paper. We had the NSA spying on everything we did. In fact, the FBI knew about General Olsen's planned adventure. Where were conservative Christians on that issue? Arguing until they were blue in the face about Terri's soul.
#93. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
good post.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#94. To: James Deffenbach, deasy (#81)
Yep. but i remember the family was weak-kneed about taking aggressive action. Catholics are against (at least are supposed ot be against if they follow the rules) all artificial and purposeful end to life. suicide, euthenasia, abortion, all equate murder. taking someone off artificial life support such as a respirator or heart pumping machine does not qualify as euthenasia though, because the person could still theoretically live without those things,. Injecting them with poison to kill them or starving them to death crosses the line and is clearly murder.
Euthanasia is a sin to Catholics, at least that is my understanding. I believe Artisan is a Catholic and I am sure there are others on the board who would know that better than I would. But the point is that her family was willing to care for her
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#95. To: christine (#61)
thanks for the url (i did not see it in post 60).
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#96. To: Artisan (#94)
So from the PEW data above we can assume that at a sizable number of Americans are easily distracted by so-called "right to life issues." FOX probably has analysts looking at data like this and trying to determine what sort of material will draw their audiences in for more advertising time. Looks like a cakewalk here. Plus, it's getting easier since so many illegals are Catholics.
Catholics are against (at least are supposed ot be against if they follow the rules) all artificial and purposeful end to life.
Survey Response %, June 1996 %, March 2001 %, March 2002 Protestant 53 53 52 Catholic 23 23 24 Mormon
(Latter-day Saints)2 2 2 Orthodox 1 1 * Non-denominational 1 0 0 Something else (Specify) 1 * 2 Not practicing any religion 1 0 0 Don't know/Refused 2 3 2 TOTAL CHRISTIAN 84% 82% 82%
#97. To: Deasy, james deffenbach (#96)
i do not think life issues are a distraction. If someone is truly pro life they would not vote for degenerates like bush or obama. and abortion is by far not the only 'life' issue, as the repubricrats would have people believe. As a good friend of mine puts it, his fellow Catholics at his church seem to be "pro life" as long as it's a fetus, but as soon as it turns 18 it's ok to have them violate the 5th Commandment, sent off to unconstitutional wars to commit genocide and torture against foreigners.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#98. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
Fuck that jewish piece-of-shit, I wish Hitler had slaughtered EVERY fucking jew on the planet, including him and his parents so that we would be rid of that filthy race.
_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#99. To: Artisan (#97)
I found myself arguing with pro-life people who thought that illegals were OK because they were Christian Catholics, and Bush should remain in office because he might nominate more pro-life candidates. And how much time did we waste on the stem cell agenda, phony as it was since all Bush was doing was blocking federal spending on it? Every issue that can get us to vote for one of the existing parties is a distraction, and MILLIONS of people voted for McCain and Obama because of issues just like these. In your mind, I believe there's balance. You show that every day with your fight against the out of control legal system and your activities here. Even in the way you're responding to me is a demonstration of balance. Most Americans on these hot button issues are NOT balanced.
#100. To: X-15 (#98)
=================================== Hitler was himself, the son of a Jew.
Hitler had slaughtered EVERY fucking jew on the planet . .
#101. To: christine (#60)
#60 It is coming to CRITICAL MASS at exponential speed.
#102. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#100)
Hitler did the right thing in the end by committing suicide and not procreating.
Hitler was himself, the son of a Jew.
_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#103. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#101) (Edited)
Senator Specter's later hearing of testimony from Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Habeas Corpus was something to hear, considering the lecture the militiaman had given Specter about 10 years prior.
#104. To: X-15 (#102)
Hitler stated that had he won the war, he would "purge" the races of the world every 25 years in order to grow his Aryan Race. I do NOT agree with or subscribe to his tyrannical oppression - it would have thrown the entire world into endless war, needlessly killing hundreds of millions of completely innocent children, women, and men. However . . To those of you who do not know who Jacob Schiff was: Schiff worked for the Rothschilds, or maybe even was a Rothschild, and financed the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. That's right, the Capitalist Jew paid for the birth of Communism to the World! That 20 million, brought untold misery to millions, and would've been equivalent to hundreds of millions of dollars today. Supposedly, Leon Trotsky, (a Jew, actually named Lev Bronstein) accompanied it to Russia. Only 13 members of the 384 members of the top governing body were ethnic, Gentile Russians. The leading administrators of the Gulag, where many people met horrible fates, were all Jews. Yagoda (Jew name: Ieguda or Judah) presided over the killing of millions of white gentiles.
The Rabi Marvin S. Andelman, in his book To Eliminate the Opiate, said that Jacob Schiff is credited with giving 20 million dollars to the Bolshevik Revolution. A year after his death the Bolsheviks deposited 600 million rubles to Schiff's banking firm Kuhn & Loeb Co. (which still exists to this day and with Schiffs on board).
The Jew, Leon Trotsky, addressing the Commie Hordes.
Talk about Holocausts!
Also, Jacob Schiff is supposed to have given the order for the founding of the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR), those that are behind the North American Union and the end to the concept of the United States of America. 
#105. To: Deasy (#103)
=================================== He was a Socialist son-of-a-bitch ten years ago. Nothing has changed, other than the Party Affiliation under his name when he sits down in his overstuffed Senate chair.
" . . considering the lecture the militiaman had given Specter about 10 years prior. "
#106. To: litus (#90)
The Constitution affords that as a natural right. It is the state of "default". Terri had no will stating otherwise. He husband, who had gone on with his life, fathering children with another woman, certainly gave up any claims to being a "disinterested" person as far as what would be in Terri's best interest. In fact, before he obtained millions in a lawsuit, he tearfully claimed he would do whatever he could to continue to love her and provide for her, for the rest of his life. It's amazing how that all got swept under the rug after he got the millions and then decided "he remembered" she 'didn't want to live like that.' At the same time, he then stopped allowing any kind of normal treatments upon her, refusing to allow antibiotics given to her and the like. Ultimately, refusing her sustenance, the same thing YOU need to live. Excellent post, litus.
Excuse me. You exist solely because of food and water. That is all Terri needed to continue to live. She was not on any other "life support" beyond food and water. Since when does the manner in which it is administered determine whether or not a person has the right to live?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#107. To: Deasy (#99)
Thanks. I try to tell people all the time that they are all criminal puppets. and actually bush's apointees are not pro life or pro constitution. thats an easy point to prove. youre right, the people are decieved and caught up in the theatre. it is sad. This is one of my favorite pictures. it sums the whole thing up pretty well.Every issue that can get us to vote for one of the existing parties is a distraction, and MILLIONS of people voted for McCain and Obama because of issues just like these.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#108. To: Artisan (#94)
Yes, and they starved and dehydrated her to death. If you did the same thing to an animal you would be prosecuted. And rightly so.
Injecting them with poison to kill them or starving them to death crosses the line and is clearly murder.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#109. To: James Deffenbach (#108)
that reminds me,. we have a new law in CA that forbids people from tying or teathering your dog for more than 3 hours. the kennel and breeders, ranchers etc were all against this bs law. the left winger/ peta crowd were for it. i know two families personally who have been forced to give up their dogs. the local kook cops peer and peek into peoples yards now, and issue tickets, and ultimatums. the world is nuts. lol.
If you did the same thing to an animal you would be prosecuted. And rightly so.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#110. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, all, christine, twentytwelve, original_intent, james deffenbach, rotara (#0)
i have a question. since the 'voting system' and elections are all fraud-rigged and theatre anyway, why is specter really doing this. he does not need to switch parties to win, sicne elections are phony anyway. so what is the real purpose of all this nonsense, or is it just another theatre/ distraction to keep pundits occupied.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#111. To: James Deffenbach (#106)
ty, James.
#112. To: Artisan (#109)
Yeah, the world is nuts or at least a good many of the people in it are. You can't mistreat animals and if you do you will, at the very least, pay a fine. You could even go to prison. But you can murder babies and torture human adults, even unto death, and idiot lawyers who have ascended to the Cult of the Black Robe will say you have the right to do it and even order family members not to even give their loved one a chip of ice on her lips. Given the opportunity, I know what I would have done if I had been Terri's brother.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#113. To: Artisan (#110)
Just more agitprop bs. "Conning the mugs" as they say in England. That's all it amounts to.
i have a question. since the 'voting system' and elections are all fraud-rigged and theatre anyway, why is specter really doing this. he does not need to switch parties to win, sicne elections are phony anyway. so what is the real purpose of all this nonsense, or is it just another theatre/ distraction to keep pundits occupied.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#114. To: tom007 (#69)
Same here. In any case the technology now exists to positively determine the direction of travel of the projectile that struck Kennedy's brain. (The wound to the side of his head was tangential and avulsive, both entrance and exit) Even if the damage to the skull and scalp was inconclusive, scanning electron microscopy of the brain would now answer the question assuming the "experts' didn't claim to be unable to determine the top from the bottom, the left from right side of the brain. The inevitable development of this technology is why for many years the brain has been missing from the electronic safe in which it was stored. There were only a few people who had the combination so we can safely assume that removing this evidence was not a crime to the govt, just as they assumed that the American people wouldn't give sour owlshit about learning the truth someday. And, the death of John John (who was certain to win the senate seat now held by "Bruno" Clinton and eventually the presidency and who vowed to punish those who conspired to murder his father) makes me think thoughts I shouldn't be thinking. Those rotten bastards are still at it and still certain that no American law enforcement agencies or oversight committees or media outlets will dare to cross them. Apparently if you have the power in America (just as it is in the countless banana republics we've instructed in the proper way to attach electrodes to genitalia) then "might makes right" and only the Pollyannas like me refuse to accept this political reality. And, frankly, I lose patience with people who'd argue with me endlessly about this but they wouldn't dream of haranguing the evil govt types who made the evidence and witnesses disappear- people like Vincent Bugliosi, who apparently decided that being the darling of the forensics talk show circuit was so important to his self esteem that he'd allow his good name be used to hide the truth. He made perfect sense with irrefutable logic when explaining why OJ was the murderer of Nicole and Ron Goldman, but he gets real stupid when discussing the assassination of my president.
I've shot animals in the brain at close range with high powered firearms and their head has never violated Newton's physics and came towards the the firearm and I have never seen any blast of brain matter coming in the "rocket effect" out of the penetration.
#115. To: Artisan (#93)
Thank you.
#116. To: Deasy, James Deffenbach, litus, All (#71)
There is always a story to distract us. They usually involve dead or missing pretty white girls or women. This does not detract from the fact that she was left to die a not-too-pleasant death. She was, IIRC, not unconscious, she could and did interact with people. WHere there is life, there's hope. She was in no pain. SHe was living without drugs, so they had to cut off her food and water to murder her. There was no "plug" to pull. The people that made the decision to kill her, mainly her "husband" /sneer/ that wanted her gone so he could party hearty, should have never been in the position to decide her fate, because THEY WERE NOT REPRESENTING HER INTERESTS, but THEIR OWN SELFISH INTERESTS. The rest of your post I agree with. I take the flu threat a little more seriously than you seem to, but I understand your point. .
The Terri Schiavo case was the ultimate diversion, and it truly worked. A hunk of flesh became more important than liberty, and stayed that way for months on end.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
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#117. To: Artisan, christine, twentytwelve, original_intent, james deffenbach, rotara, jethro tull, indie tx, litus, Itistoolate, deasy, x-15, wudidiz, lodwick, bush_is_a_moonie, turtle, hondo68 (#110)
=================================================== Excellent question. The answer is not difficult at all - it is NOT a MYSTERY. ARLAN SPECTER'S DOT.GOV web site still labels him as a "Republican." He has been one IN NAME ONLY for THIRTY-NINE YEARS. His defection proves that neither political party is capable of governing. Elected in 1980, he is currently the 12th-most senior member of the U.S. Senate and the fifth oldest Senator. Why would he want to suddenly abandon 39 years of toil and labor and then declare those affiliations are not working in the best interest of America? Focusing in on his deeds and actions in that capacity, and what he has stood for and done for defending the United States Constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic is telling. Not just on him, but really what the entire United States Government has become. Namely: IRRELEVANT. If the Arlan Specters of the Senate and the Congress and the White House and the United States Supreme Court cared one tinker's damn about the people of this nation, do you think they would have stood idly by and allowed the erosion of it's protective border and the dilution of the American Culture and History into something Americans who were born and have lived here for eight and nine decades now no longer even recognize as their own? I think not. Arlan Specter really personifies the agenda of this entire government, which has ceased to become a Republic and has managed to twist our Constitutional rights around the pole of situational ethics, liberal perverse morality, and above all - GREED. Greed for power at the expense of you and me, and for their own benefit. Have our rights eroded in the past ten years to the point none of us knows if we will wake up tomorrow morning greeted by either local police or our own sons and daughters wearing United Nations uniforms coming into our homes and searching us like common criminals because we dare to speak out against this oligarchic oppressive land THEY have created AGAINST our constant demands for them to reform and turn back to the founding principles of The Declaration of Independence? Instead, the Arlan Specters of today do just they opposite. They castigate and demonize anyone questioning by WHOSE AUTHORITY do they think they can outsource our national wealth to hostile nations, invade other countries and declare and execute multiple wars NOT in the interest of Americans, and allow the invasion and OCCUPATION of our land by a population of over TWENTY MILLION illegal aliens who are still LOYAL to Mexico? These people are not patriots, but instruments of a conglomerate of foreign powers who have infiltrated our very own system of governance to the point it is no longer OWNED, nor does it represent the very people they have sworn to defend - thee and me. Are our taxes fair? Are our taxes used to promote good law and order and health and protection for our families and us? Or are they spent on wars, corrupt lobbyists, and citizens of a foreign nation, or even open, willful corruption? Are our roads getting better? Our schools? Our hospitals and health care? Is corruption and graft rampant throughout the entire political spectrum: National, State, and Local Government ? Are our borders secure? Our economy should be the strongest in the history of the world, yet it remains intact by some mysterious thing called "The Fed" which nobody understands and nobody will admit is just a bunch of thugs themselves, lording their version of what they think will bring prosperity to the nation. But what they do is favor foreign economies, systems, and conglomerates over the best interests of America and stand in front of Congressional hearings swearing they are doing everything humanly possible to avoid another depression. Yet, the money decisions they make are always behind closed doors, always out of the public eye, and always in the interests of someone other than the average American. Do we trust our government to protect us and defend us against enemies, foreign and domestic? We all know the answers to these questions. It is simple. There is no mystery here.
I have a question. since the 'voting system' and elections are all fraud-rigged and theatre anyway, why is specter really doing this. he does not need to switch parties to win, sicne elections are phony anyway. so what is the real purpose of all this nonsense, or is it just another theatre/ distraction to keep pundits occupied.
#118. To: PSUSA (#116)
SHe was living without drugs, so they had to cut off her food and water to murder her. There was no "plug" to pull. The people that made the decision to kill her, mainly her "husband" /sneer/ that wanted her gone so he could party hearty, should have never been in the position to decide her fate, because THEY WERE NOT REPRESENTING HER INTERESTS, but THEIR OWN SELFISH INTERESTS. Good post. Her so-called "husband" was already partying and she didn't need to be murdered so he could keep his whore and however many other women who would have anything to do with him. It is a bit astonishing that ANY woman would want anything to do with him but we have all heard about women who take up with serial killers in prison and whatnot.
There is always a story to distract us. They usually involve dead or missing pretty white girls or women. This does not detract from the fact that she was left to die a not-too-pleasant death. She was, IIRC, not unconscious, she could and did interact with people. WHere there is life, there's hope. She was in no pain.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#119. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#117)
Excellent post. Lots of good points.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#120. To: PSUSA (#116)
Well said. I agree.
#121. To: PSUSA (#116)
I take the mass media's treatment of the flu situation very seriously.
I take the flu threat a little more seriously than you seem to...
#122. To: Deasy (#121)
We're either all under a serious threat, or this is just another in a long line of lies delivered by our political capons.
#123. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#117)
Greed for power at the expense of you and me, and for their own benefit. Exactly.
Arlan Specter really personifies the agenda of this entire government, which has ceased to become a Republic and has managed to twist our Constitutional rights around the pole of situational ethics, liberal perverse morality, and above all - GREED.
#124. To: Jethro Tull (#122) (Edited)
It's a push-pull situation. Americans crave information that can restore their sense of being alive, which they've lost through more than a century of enslavement and pursuit of empire. Fear of death, brought on by justified apprehension after firebombings, nuclear bombings, napalm, and other anti-civilian measures during our big wars since the Spanish-American conflict, is almost like gladiating for civilians. Thoughts of mass death is a pique to the deadened American spirit. Deep down, the average American knows with an uneasy confidence that people might want to harm him for what has been done to others in his name. The government strives to provide the people with a sense of its usefulness and indispensability. The media wants to make money, and also wants to be indispensable. Probably the media owners want the government-media relationship to flourish, as well. Regardless of the dangers involved, government will be sold as the ultimate solution. Fear will be used to cow Americans into demanding more government. And additional government will present itself as essential. This has been a worsening cycle since the Murrah building bombing in OKC, and it will only get worse. The biggest fear being presented, as always, is civil unrest caused by circumstances beyond anyone's control. Although immigration could be reduced, and civil rights abuses could be curtailed, those two impetuses to civil unrest will only worsen. The answer, anyone in government knows, is more force on the streets.
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