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Title: The Hysteria of the Hysterical
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Published: Apr 29, 2009
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2009-04-29 07:58:57 by Turtle
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36,000 a year in the U.S. die from the flu, and it not considered an epidemic Now, swine flu has killed a fraction of that, and the foolish are babbling like it's 1918 again. More people die from car wrecks than from the flu. AIDS was gonna kill us all off, and it turns out it's a fag and IV drug user disease. I pay very little attention to any of it. I don't believe anything I read, and less of what I hear. After 9-11, I had a woman in a store tell me than then the WTC fell, one guy on top surfed his way down on the collapsing building. I told her that was impossible, and she acted offended. The sheeple are idiots and will believe anything. The bigger the lie, the more likely they are to believe it.
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#1. To: Turtle (#0)
================================== The Spanish flu killed between 50 to 80 million around the world in 1918, including many Americans. That is a pandemic. The 36,000 flu-related deaths you refer to is not. Do you see the difference?
The stories about swine flu will disappear in a few months, just as stories about bird flu did. I used to be a newspaper editor. I know how the media works. "If it bleeds it leads." It doesn't matter in the slightest if the story is true or not. As I just said, the sheeple are idiots, and the bigger the lie, the more likely that are to fall for it.
================================ Naivety rules, misinformation is how it does it. The problem is many-fold. What we can agree on is that the threat of a pandemic coming up from Mexico (plus a whole helluva lot of other things) could be controlled if we had a border.
Eeeeek! Racist! Xenophobe! Hate Crime!
There are no borders in the modern world. You act as though some sort of omnipotent GOD called called "government" can save you; that idea is laughable, at best. The spread of diseases can not be controlled by "check-points" with armed guards [with the singular exception of Israel whom brings the world to war each and every day we wake up to.]
The way I remember reading about it, a small percentage that caught that flu died from it, which was not much higher than the "regular" flu. The problem was, it was so much more contagious that that 50-80 million dead was only at about the same percentage that die from the regular flu. I could be wrong though. If I am, someone will enlighten me. .
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I wonder how many Americans were killed just yesterday during carjackings, home invasions or robberies? That seems to never lead on the federal media.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
================================= You do realize the entire North American Continent is considered unsafe as you read this by the rest of the world, right? China, Russia, Europe, and Asia all have restricted flight here. Why is this?
Happy ! You and buckeroo get reacquainted on 4um ?
I just arrived back in the USA from traveling all over Europe. There are no restrictions anywhere.
It depends on what country you came back from. Which one was it? The situation is dynamic and changes almost by the hour. Last night, WHO raised its alert level on the swine flu epidemic to phase four. This decision was based mainly on data showing human-to-human transmission and the ability of the virus to cause community level outbreaks. Hartl described the current state of alert as a turning point. The infection rate could remain at current levels or slow down. The highest level of alert, phase six would mean sustained out breaks in more than one region and be characterized as a pandemic. That would trigger the production of anti- swine flu vaccines, Hartl said. The WHO spokesman explained however that beginning vaccine production against swine flu would probably mean suspending the manufacture of vaccines against normal flu viruses. At the moment, existing anti- viral drugs have been proven effective in treating swine flu. Despite its name, Hartl emphasized that the disease is spread between humans and is not caused by eating pork. Cooking pork or any meat well kills all viruses, he said. According to the world health organization, laboratory tests have so far confirmed a total of 79 swine flu cases; these include 40 in the United States, 26 in Mexico, 6 in Canada, 3 cases in New Zealand, 2 cases in the United Kingdom and one case in Spain. WHO says it can only confirm 7 deaths as a result of the virus. http://www.unmultimedia.org/tv/unifeed/d/12758.html
The flu in general was more dangerous then, and that one was a doozy. My great uncle Joe had it, along with most of his family, and he sat semi-conscious in a tub of cold water for days. What was so different about this flu was not just the mortality but the mortality pattern. It disproportionately killed able-bodied young and middle-aged men. Normally, it is the very young or very old who die from the flu. The mortality was probably the result of the flu when combined with undiagnosed tuberculosis, as suggested by the (lagged) reduction in TB deaths.
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
================================== Lots of good folks here. I like it.
========================= This triple strain (swine, bird, and human) hasn't been seen before. They don't know WHAT it will do, or HOW FAR it will spread yet. It is practically still just coming OUT OF INCUBATION. So far, those most susceptible are not the elderly, but children and adults under the age of 30.
I agree. And that is what I dont understand. What is it about young healthy people that makes this so dangerous? What about the older and unhealthy ones? Could it be a lifestyle thing? Healthy young people come in contact with more people so maybe it's still a small percentage that die, but because more of them get sick then that means more deaths. But what you said makes sense too, regarding TB + the flu. I know what it's like to be knocked on my ass by the flu. I lost about 10 lbs in a little over a week. Thank God that doesn't happen often. I'd like to lose 10 lbs per week, but not like that. .
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Ping to above. I meant to include you.
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I was within the European Union visiting my grandmother, whom had a great day for celebration about her fame as MOMMA in in Holland. But also in I had the chance of speeding through countries all the way from England to France and Belgium. I use a USA government paid for nurse to help on the TGV; she doesn't require a dime from me as you pay for services; and I want to be the first to thank you for being an honest-john paying taxes.
Concerning mortality, as far as I can tell, young is in evidence, healthy is questionable. This is Mexico we're talking about. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything it does in Asia. Asia and Latin America are the two big TB reservoirs. Asian immigrants actually have a higher TB rate.
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
============================= Glad you had a great time in Holland (beautiful country). Having 'sped' through that many (small) countries had to have taken you at least 3 or 4 days, which during that time the dynamic scenario has constantly changed. Just since you've been home, Europe has reported new H151 cases. Look here and you'll get a better idea, without having to trust what some stranger on a blog has to say about it. Verify:
No one, anywhere, gives a flying shit of credibility about WHO. But play around. Its your liberty.
================================ Other than the face you look at several times a day in your bathroom mirror, who would you turn to for a credible source able to track specific outbreaks on a world scale?
Its so easy for you to claim a prominent posture ripped' off scripts isn't it? You never say anything other than showing your true colours: no creative capability other what you can steal and pretend is your own personal sayings.
Title: WHO: Only 7 swine flu deaths, not 152...
Are you begging me or your government? Asking me these questions since I am a mere poster shall not help you in your quest. Have you tried writing Obama with your problem?
One person has died in the U.S. of swine flu - a two-year-old Mexican. First the Huns were going to conquer the world, then the Nazis, then the Communists, then the Japanese, then the Chinese, then Muslims. In the '70's we were going to freeze from global cooling, now it's global warming. AIDS was going to wipe out half the world, along with starvation and pollution. Then it was bird flu. Now it's swine flu. I don't believe any of it. What I do believe, because it's happening and the media does not report on it, is all the diseased Third Worlders invading this country. And I don't mean the flu. I mean all kinds of hideous dieases the media never reports -- like TB that can barely be cured, and costs a million dollars if it does work.
Believe the Dancing Cactus of DEATH!! He sows disease and misery with every shake of his maracas!!! _________________________________________________________________________ I kicked him off Turtle Island because of his damn horrible music.
Expect a visit from the National Council of La Raza on their canoe, the M.S.S. Montezuma's Revenge.
_________________________________________________________________________ First the Huns were going to conquer the world, then the Nazis, then the Communists, then the Japanese, then the Chinese, then Muslims. In the '70's we were going to freeze from global cooling, now it's global warming. AIDS was going to wipe out half the world, along with starvation and pollution. Then it was bird flu. Now it's swine flu. I don't believe any of it. What I do believe, because it's happening and the media does not report on it, is all the diseased Third Worlders invading this country. And I don't mean the flu. I mean all kinds of hideous diseases the media never reports -- like TB that can barely be cured, and costs a million dollars if it does work. Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island. Nice rant. I agree.
Using new and improved statistical models, CDC scientists estimate that an average of 36,000 people (up from 20,000 in previous estimates) die from influenza-related complications each year in the United States. In addition, about 11,000 people die per year from respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a virus that causes upper and lower respiratory tract infections primarily in young children and older adults. The study demonstrates that most deaths caused by RSV occur in the elderly.
#2. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#1)
Do you see the difference?
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs
...that's Turtle Island.
#3. To: Turtle (#2)
As I just said, the sheeple are idiots, and the bigger the lie, the more likely that are to fall for it.
#4. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)
...could be controlled if we had a border.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#5. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)
(Edited)
What we can agree on is that the threat of a pandemic coming up from Mexico (plus a whole helluva lot of other things) could be controlled if we had a border.
#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, All (#1)
The Spanish flu killed between 50 to 80 million around the world in 1918, including many Americans.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#7. To: Turtle (#2)
"If it bleeds it leads."
#8. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#5)
The spread of diseases can not be controlled by "check-points" with armed guards
#9. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#8)
grace (ha)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#10. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#8)
#11. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#10)
He added however, that it was prudent of governments to advise nationals to stay away from infected areas.
#12. To: PSUSA (#6)
I could be wrong though. If I am, someone will enlighten me.
#13. To: Rotara, buckeroo (#9)
You and buckeroo get reacquainted on 4um ?
#14. To: Prefrontal Vortex, PSUSA (#12)
It (Spanish Flu) disproportionately killed able-bodied young and middle-aged men.
#15. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#12)
It disproportionately killed able-bodied young and middle-aged men. Normally, it is the very young or very old who die from the flu.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#16. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#14)
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#17. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#11)
#18. To: PSUSA (#15)
What is it about young healthy people that makes this so dangerous?
#19. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, PSUSA (#17)
But also in I had the chance of speeding through countries all the way from England to France and Belgium.
#20. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#17)
#21. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#19)
#22. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#21)
No one, anywhere, gives a flying shit of credibility about WHO.
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
#24. To: Turtle (#0)
#25. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#22)
Other than the face you look at several times a day in your bathroom mirror, who would you turn to for a credible source able to track specific outbreaks on a world scale?
#26. To: TwentyTwelve (#24)
(Edited)
Title: WHO: Only 7 swine flu deaths, not 152...
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.
#27. To: Turtle (#26)
And I don't the flu.
#28. To: Turtle (#26)
I don't believe any of it.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#29. To: X-15 (#28)
Believe the Dancing Cactus of DEATH!! He sows disease and misery with every shake of his maracas!!!
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.
#30. To: Turtle (#29)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#31. To: Turtle (#26)
One person has died in the U.S. of swine flu - a two-year-old Mexican.
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