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Title: Racists Using Swine Flu As Excuse to Promote Hate
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URL Source: http://www.latina.com/lifestyle/new ... -swine-flu-excuse-promote-hate
Published: Apr 30, 2009
Author: Shani Saxon-Parrish
Post Date: 2009-04-30 20:05:37 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 4501
Comments: 133
The frenzy over swine flu has spurred another potentially deadly outbreak: racist hate-mongering against Mexicans and Mexican-American immigrants. Conservative journalists and scared American citizens are looking for someone, anything to blame for this still small global outbreak. With no proof to support his beliefs, California radio jock Michael Savage said, "Make no mistake about it: Illegal aliens are the carriers of the new strain of human-swine avian flu from Mexico." He also added that it would be a good idea to avoid contact with illegal immigrants, insisting that people who eat out are "morons who eat in restaurants with illegals all over the kitchen." Fox News columnist Michelle Malkin also weighed in with frightening commentary: "I've blogged for years about the spread of contagious diseases from around the world into the U.S. as a result of uncontrolled immigration." Rampant misinformation has even motivated the ALIPAC, or Americans For Legal Immigration, to ask Congress to shut down the U.S.-Mexico border in order to contain the swine flu. And talk show host Neal Boortz has gone so far as to suggest Islamic terrorists created the deadly flu strain and introduced it to Mexicans as a sneaky way to spread it to the U.S. "What better way to sneak a virus into this country than to give it to Mexicans....then spread a rumor that there are construction jobs here, and there they come," Boortz stated. Perhaps the scariest thing is that these ignorant people with large platforms aren’t feeling any repercussions from their comments. Why are certain public figures allowed to be so openly racist and hateful? Is it because many people find an odd comfort in placing the blame on a group they consider to be outsiders? Members of the Latino community are marginalized enough as it is, and this level of hate-talk is only making things worse. "It's a virus. Any of us can get it,” says Lalo Rios, a radio DJ in Reno, Nevada. “Closing the borders is not going to help. Pointing the finger at certain groups isn't going to help anything either.”
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#31. To: Esso (#28)
That's a totally uncalled for comment and I take exception to it's logic and truthfulness. I abhor you.
Nonsense, they hate non-travellers just for drawing breath. PV was right, Abe Lincoln was going to ship the 'chuckers back to Afreaka where they belonged.
_________________________________________________________________________ Without digging through reams of documents freedom of speech was a contested issue between Jefferson Mason Madison against the Federalists and Hamilton in large part because of the difference's when it came to the subject of seditious speech....even today there are some US states that still have blasphemy laws on the books from the founding days
History is a bitch blaspheme laws in America were only overturned in 1972 Chapter 272 of the Massachusetts General Laws states, for example: Section 36. Whoever willfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, His creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior. The history of Maryland's blasphemy statutes suggests that even into the 1930s, the First Amendment was not recognized as preventing states from passing such laws. An 1879 codification of Maryland statutes prohibited blasphemy: Art. 72, sec. 189. If any person, by writing or speaking, shall blaspheme or curse God, or shall write or utter any profane words of and concerning our Saviour, Jesus Christ, or of and concerning the Trinity, or any of the persons thereof, he shall, on conviction, be fined not more than one hundred dollars, or imprisoned not more than six months, or both fined and imprisoned as aforesaid, at the discretion of the court. According to the marginalia, this statute was adopted in 1819, and a similar law dates back to 1723. In 1904, the statute was still on the books at Art. 27, sec. 20, unaltered in text. As late as 1939, this statute was still the law of Maryland. But in 1972, in Maryland v. Irving K. West, the Maryland Court of Appeals (the state's highest court) declared the blasphemy law unconstitutional.[19]
I could go for arresting the aliens though.
Oh, believe me, I know. I have fucked with them personally.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Heh heh heh. My work here is almost done. :)
Try again.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition these are state statute examples really having nothing to do with the 1stA. further, they reference blasphemy. what has that to do with "responsible" speech or more specifically Severin's calling illegal mexicans criminaliens and leeches? i don't see the semblance.
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Severin like Rush and company cannot make a legit argument without getting into the gutter and will be the reason "conservatives" will spend the next 40 years out of power and as aside are responsible for the recent hate crime bill as for the founders and free speech I suggest you re-read the anti federalist papers to see the arguments over free speech.... http://books.google.com/books?id...=result&resnum=4#PPA63,M1 And if you support Severin and his elk's free speech rights than I take it you also supported the radio jocks in Rwanda who were responsible for the killing 800,000 Hutus ......being in the business of talk radio I take my responsibilities very seriously and attempt to educate and inform... not to mislead and promote xenophobia.
Robby, until this argument can be applied equally to the left side of the political spectrum (Janeane Garofalo, Olbermann & company) it's nothing but a heavy dose of PC and should be rejected outright by a free people.
I repeat, Americans wouldn't even deport blacks when they had the chance. Your concern, like the original post to which you replied, is simply not to be taken seriously.
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
I reject the argument of hiding behind the skirt of freedom of speech to incite violence to achieve a political objective no matter what side it comes from....the hypocrisy of these so called pro-lifers is so thick you can cut it with a knife...
I don't know about the pro-lifers you mention, what I am saying is that only the political right is being silenced by PC. Tons of examples out there, but I'm sure there isn't a need to make my case. My point is this "hate" legislation will be used to protect certain groups and sanctions will be applied to whites (mostly)
I get the anger. I'm fit to explode myself. Perhaps because your folks don't come from a country where folks were rounded up, you don't understand my concern. These things happen because the ordinary folks are OK with this kind of loose talk. A man shouldn't be suprised if this kind genocidal rhetoric is turned around against him. In truth, given the current state of affaits it's guys like you and me who are in greatest danger of political persecution. And persecution is a prospect that is now not as remote as it seemed just months ago. Taking a consistent moral position is no guarantee that a man won't be the object of a witch hunt some day, but wishing hell on others arms the opposition. They know too fucking well how to use your words against you.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. i do support Severin's free speech rights but that doesn't then extend to supporting in any way the killing of the Hutus or anyone else. is it your contention that had it not been for the Rwandan radio jocks, these killings would have not occurred? was it their incitement or did they actually do the killing?
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All so called "conservative" talk show hosts are or say they are in one breath pro life then in the next breath want to kill all the muslims...I agree with your point about hate legislation but if were not for these nut jobs we would not be talking about it or now dealing with it
Yes
Let me apply the same logic to the folks who *abhor* torture yet applaud the Obama surge in Afghanistan and his Drone'ing of innocent Paki's.
No question no matter which side it comes from
From your link: "In the end, there was no need to establish a single comprehensive theory. Both the fereralists and their opponents had an interest in leaving the matter vague and unresolved."
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"She will be prosecuted for genocide and crimes against humanity," the justice minister said. Radio Mille Collines became notorious for its broadcasts which encouraged the slaughter of Tutsis and of Hutus who were sympathetic to the Tutsi cause. The station was launched in 1993, backed by family members of the Hutu President Juvenal Habyarimana - whose death in a plane crash triggered the genocide. "Do not kill those inyenzi (cockroaches) with a bullet - cut them to pieces with a machete" was one comment attributed to Ms Bemeriki. i think it's a huge stretch, Robby, to compare the speech of Bemeriki in this incidence to that of Severin's. Severin is not in any way inciting violence by calling ILLEGAL mexicans criminaliens, primatives, and leeches. further, i find it difficult to believe that her speech caused the genocide. i'm sure there was decades, if not generations, of fighting and hatred between these tribes. certainly her speech heightened and inflamed the situation which is reprehensibly irresponsible, but to be prosecuted for genocide and crimes against humanity as if she did the actual killing is wrong.
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Excellent. Germany in 1938 couldn't have happened, I think, if the press was responsible. That style of Free Speech cost Germany and the world quite a bit. Interesting observation v. Rwanda, I was unaware of radio's role in the pograms.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes they left it to states ergo the 10th Amendment and hence my reference to blaspheme laws.... as for Jay lets not forget "words have consequences" this what Jay said "So now, in addition to venereal disease and the other leading exports of Mexico -- women with mustaches and VD -- now we have swine flu," Severin said this week. During a conversation with a caller complaining about immigrants receiving health care, Severin said emergency rooms had "become essentially condos for Mexicans," and blamed what he deemed the "world's lowest primitives" for the recent outbreak. "It's millions of leeches from a primitive country come here to leech off you and, with it, they are ruining the schools, the hospitals, and a lot of life in America," he said. Not much difference to how events unfolded in Rwanda Rwanda genocide journalists sentenced Thursday, December 4, 2003 NAIROBI, Kenya (Reuters) -- Two Rwandan journalists were jailed for life and a third was sentenced to 35 years Wednesday for fanning the flames of a 1994 genocide that killed an estimated 800,000 people, a U.N. tribunal spokesman said. The verdict marks the end of a landmark three-year trial during which the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda in Tanzania heard how the media played a major role in inciting extremists from the Hutu majority to carry out the 100-day slaughter of ethnic Tutsis and politically moderate Hutus. Ferdinand Nahimana, a founding member of Radio Television Libres des Mille Collines (RTLM), was sentenced to life in prison along with Hassan Ngeze, owner and editor of the Hutu extremist newspaper Kangura. Life in prison is the most severe penalty that can be handed down by the tribunal. "Nahimana chose a path of genocide and betrayed the trust placed in him as an intellectual and a leader," said Presiding Judge Navanethem Pillay. "He caused the deaths of thousands of civilians without a firearm." The third defendant, Jean-Bosco Barayagwiza, who was also a founder of RTLM and public affairs director in Rwanda's Foreign Affairs Ministry, was sentenced to 35 years in prison. "RTLM broadcasts was a drumbeat calling on listeners to take action against Tutsis," Judge Pillay said. "RTLM spread petrol throughout the country little by little, so that one day it would be able to set fire to the whole country," he said.
i strongly disagree with you.
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What in god's holy name does the Rwanda slaughter have to do with draconian hate speech law?
I take it you like Jay who like Rush Hanniety Medved Hewitt et al have all been wrong about everything for the past 8 years...sorry but he is a neocon and I have no time for bigots
Click on the vids and learn the real story.
"words have consequences"......the hate law is just cause and effect...much like Sept 11th....American conservatives have been feed a bill of goods by its so called radio jocks....I don't blame liberals for doing what they do I do however blame the likes of Jay etc for giving them the excuse
I'm from Africa I know the real story
i don't know much about him, robby. i'm responding solely on the quote above. like Voltaire, whether i like what he says or not, i support his right to say it.
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Do me a favor, define conservative. The reason I ask is simple; put 10 people in a room and you'll get 10 different answers. All this because there has been a steady dilution of the philosophy by those who vote for the less of two evils. The movement went from an early Buckley, Barry Goldwater and all the paleos, to this pile of crap identifying themselves as such. So when you mention "conservative" and then plug in Hannity, Limbaugh and whoever the fuck this Jay guy is, you make no sense to anyone who follows politics to even a small degree.
And I'm from America so read the post about *OUR* "conservative" politics, and not what u define as such.
Come on Christine Voltaire was referring to religion
Conservative means one that conserves in this instance to conserve the intent of the founders...a Republic if you can keep it
When guys post dumb shit like this: The Swine Flue is a valid reason why this nation should practice genocide. The sick wetbacks cross into our country with their diseases, poverty, crime and corruption, and we should give them one of two options: Leave or be buried here. That is my idea of immigration reform. Do I hear an amen? RO they get their "amen." Then the robnoels of the planet come out of the woodwork, and shake their little forfingers in your face. Behind them in the second rank are the bolsheviks, and they have power - in increasing depth and magnitude. That is becoming crystal clear these days make no mistake about it. Choose the short of rhetoric you use, and choose wisely. If you choose well, you will be fighting on your own ground. If you choose ill, or just strike out like a wounded beast, these people will have your chestnuts. You have no idea how fast this can happen.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. From the BBC article: Sorry, seems to me those people had it coming to them, the same as the people who are destroying this country do, as well as their families. Better late then never.
Please address your bitch to "guys". I'll be happy to defend my comments, and
I suggest others do the same.
This is a side of the Rwanda tale of woe that is seldom mentioned by our Jewish-dominated media.
And therefore Hannity, Limbaugh, and the Jay fuck who has your panties twisted do not fit the definition. So please, stop calling them "conservatives."
François-Marie Arouet (21 November 1694 – 30 May 1778), better known by the pen name Voltaire, was a French Enlightenment writer, essayist, and philosopher known for his wit, philosophical sport and defence of civil liberties, including both freedom of religion and free trade. Voltaire was a prolific writer and produced works in almost every literary form, authoring plays, poetry, novels, essays, historical and scientific works, more than 20,000 letters and more than 2000 books and pamphlets. He was an outspoken supporter of social reform, despite strict censorship laws and harsh penalties for those who broke them. A satirical polemicist, he frequently made use of his works to criticize Catholic Church dogma and the French institutions of his day. Voltaire was one of several Enlightenment figures (along with Montesquieu, John Locke, Thomas Hobbes and Jean-Jacques Rousseau) whose works and ideas influenced important thinkers of both the American and French Revolutions.
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#32. To: randge (#29)
I don't like to leave nonsense like this unanswered because comments like this are fodder for OUR ENEMIES
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#33. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
#34. To: christine (#30)
#35. To: robnoel (#33)
when it came to the subject of seditious speech
I've already said too much.
#36. To: X-15 (#32)
Nonsense, they hate non-travellers just for drawing breath.
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#37. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
I abhor you.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#38. To: robnoel (#26)
A reading of the founders intent on the 1st amendment was responsible speech not any speech
#39. To: robnoel (#34)
#40. To: christine (#39)
#41. To: robnoel (#40)
Severin like Rush and company cannot make a legit argument without getting into the gutter and will be the reason "conservatives" will spend the next 40 years out of power and as aside are responsible for the recent hate crime bill as for the founders and free speech I suggest you re-read the anti federalist papers to see the arguments over free speech....
#42. To: randge (#29)
#43. To: Jethro Tull (#41)
#44. To: robnoel (#43)
#45. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#42)
Your concern, like the original post to which you replied, is simply not to be taken seriously.
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#46. To: robnoel (#40)
And if you support Severin and his elk's free speech rights than I take it you also supported the radio jocks in Rwanda who were responsible for the killing 800,000 Hutus
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
I don't know about the pro-lifers you mention
#48. To: christine (#46)
is it your contention that had it not been for the Rwandan radio jocks, these killings would have not occurred? was it their incitement or did they actually do the killing?
#49. To: robnoel (#47)
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
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#51. To: robnoel (#40)
http://books.google.com/books?id...=result&resnum=4#PPA63,M1
#52. To: robnoel (#48)
A Rwandan radio journalist has been charged with inciting mass killings during the 1994 genocide. Valerie Bemeriki, a former employee of the independent Radio Mille Collines, was arrested in north-western Rwanda late last week, according to Justice Minister Jean de Dieu Mucyo.
#53. To: robnoel (#40)
And if you support Severin and his elk's free speech rights than I take it you also supported the radio jocks in Rwanda who were responsible for the killing 800,000 Hutus ......being in the business of talk radio I take my responsibilities very seriously and attempt to educate and inform... not to mislead and promote xenophobia.
#54. To: christine (#51)
From your link: "In the end, there was no need to establish a single comprehensive theory. Both the fereralists and their opponents had an interest in leaving the matter vague and unresolved."
#55. To: robnoel (#54)
Not much difference to how events unfolded in Rwanda
#56. To: robnoel (#54)
#57. To: christine (#55)
#58. To: robnoel (#57)
sorry but he is a neocon and I have no time for bigots
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)
#61. To: robnoel (#57)
#62. To: robnoel (#59)
#63. To: robnoel (#60)
(Edited)
#64. To: christine (#61)
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
What in god's holy name does the Rwanda slaughter have to do with draconian hate speech law?
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#67. To: christine (#52)
further, i find it difficult to believe that her speech caused the genocide. i'm sure there was decades, if not generations, of fighting and hatred between these tribes.
An estimated 800,000 people were killed in the 1994 genocide, which was directed against the Tutsi people who were Rwanda's feudal rulers until 1959.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#68. To: randge (#66)
When guys post dumb s**t like this:
#69. To: Esso (#67)
An estimated 800,000 people were killed in the 1994 genocide, which was directed against the Tutsi people who were Rwanda's feudal rulers until 1959.
#70. To: robnoel (#65)
Conservative means one that conserves in this instance to conserve the intent of the founders...a Republic if you can keep it
#71. To: robnoel (#64)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire
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