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Title: Racists Using Swine Flu As Excuse to Promote Hate
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URL Source: http://www.latina.com/lifestyle/new ... -swine-flu-excuse-promote-hate
Published: Apr 30, 2009
Author: Shani Saxon-Parrish
Post Date: 2009-04-30 20:05:37 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 4319
Comments: 133
The frenzy over swine flu has spurred another potentially deadly outbreak: racist hate-mongering against Mexicans and Mexican-American immigrants. Conservative journalists and scared American citizens are looking for someone, anything to blame for this still small global outbreak. With no proof to support his beliefs, California radio jock Michael Savage said, "Make no mistake about it: Illegal aliens are the carriers of the new strain of human-swine avian flu from Mexico." He also added that it would be a good idea to avoid contact with illegal immigrants, insisting that people who eat out are "morons who eat in restaurants with illegals all over the kitchen." Fox News columnist Michelle Malkin also weighed in with frightening commentary: "I've blogged for years about the spread of contagious diseases from around the world into the U.S. as a result of uncontrolled immigration." Rampant misinformation has even motivated the ALIPAC, or Americans For Legal Immigration, to ask Congress to shut down the U.S.-Mexico border in order to contain the swine flu. And talk show host Neal Boortz has gone so far as to suggest Islamic terrorists created the deadly flu strain and introduced it to Mexicans as a sneaky way to spread it to the U.S. "What better way to sneak a virus into this country than to give it to Mexicans....then spread a rumor that there are construction jobs here, and there they come," Boortz stated. Perhaps the scariest thing is that these ignorant people with large platforms aren’t feeling any repercussions from their comments. Why are certain public figures allowed to be so openly racist and hateful? Is it because many people find an odd comfort in placing the blame on a group they consider to be outsiders? Members of the Latino community are marginalized enough as it is, and this level of hate-talk is only making things worse. "It's a virus. Any of us can get it,” says Lalo Rios, a radio DJ in Reno, Nevada. “Closing the borders is not going to help. Pointing the finger at certain groups isn't going to help anything either.”
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
is boortz a Freeper?
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Not a clue, but I wouldn't be surprised.
NO, Mizz Parrish. The scariest thing is that the ignorant people who work for the government aren't feeling any repurcussions from years of treason and destroying Freedom in this country. So take your nazi thought police ideals and shove them up your ass. It's easy to miss the real issue when articles with this kind of psyops are published.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Not since Eisenhower has a president been willing to take on the illegal/big business lobby. That has left us with a fractured America and a budding civil war. No American is going to surrender our national heritage to a band of traitors without a fight.
Just round up and deport all the racist LaRaza swine. As you noted, Ike Eisenhower was our last president willing to enforce the law.
Lets also boot the non Hispanic loons who endorse this insanity. The Afro- Leninists, and their white imps, also have to go, else the mistake will repeat itself.
Hi, Y'all~ The Swine Flue is a valid reason why this nation should practice genocide. The sick wetbacks cross into our country with their diseases, poverty, crime and corruption, and we should give them one of two options: Leave or be buried here. That is my idea of immigration reform. Do I hear an amen? RO
What I read is more about how bankrupt "conservative" talk show hosts are, there is no question that illegals bring diseases, poverty, crime and corruption however as usual these morons are just looking for someone to hate rather than trying to figure out if the flu scare a manufactured crises. If it were not for these "dick heads" America would not of declared a "war on terror" or passed the "Patriot Act".Conservatives my ass they collectively have destroyed any hope that those that hold true conservative values will ever be elected again
I agree with the first part (and find nothing wrong with this country being "fractured" and I'm sure most of the other countries of the world agree), but as for the second, to fight an actual civil war, you'd need the "dissidents" to be able to field some sort of fighting force. Our local teabaggers (who are having another gathering on July 4) are mostly old white guys who wouldn't last very long in a firefight. Some of them can barely walk. All the old war wounds have caught up with them. Yeah, that's the ticket.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I'm not sure we have ever had a 'true conservative' elected in this nation, and the prospects of never having one elected is fine by me. They can stick they religion, sexual morals, and hypocrisy where the sun doesn't shine. Give me a small government guy, one who lives by the Golden Rule, and I'll be just fine.
That wasn't the case where I was, but to your point, I'll take the aging guy who has had enough, over younger guy who sits back and watches. How it grow is to be determined, but I find it funny that such a feeble effort has attracted all the right enemy.
There are no real "enemies" of the teabaggers, because it is such a pathetic "movement" to begin with. These people have no organized political party anymore with which to threaten the one in power. Bushco succeeded in making it NOT COOL even for old white guys to call themselves GOPers. Around here, it is obvious that the TBs are only united in who and what they hate. They have no "plan" otherwise. The GOPers for the last 30 years have set out to prove that the federal government is the problem and that it can never operate effectively. They DID prove that, but it seems in retrospect that this was mostly because THEY were in charge of the government for most of that time and deliberately set out to sabotage and corrupt the federal government from within. They certainly never set out to make it "smaller."
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
And who would that be?
By all means. Why not necklacing while you're at it or whacking off some limbs? How about black buses and cattle cars and death camps? Honestly, some folks take things into their mouths that are so foul and reckless that they are scarce to be believed. They'd crap their pants if they saw these things take place before their eyes.
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"Satan / Cheney in "08" You talking about Republicans not conservatives the Rush Hanniety wing if you will....what these morans don't get if one is going preach moral values you better have a degree of morals that exceeds expectations of those of us with average moral values anything less won't fly Heres another one wish it would happen to most if not all those Bush butt kissers Severin suspended for comments about Mexican immigrants Jay Severin, the fiery right wing talk show host on Boston's WTKK-FM radio station, was suspended yesterday after calling Mexican immigrants "criminaliens," "primitives," "leeches," and exporters of "women with mustaches and VD," among other incendiary comments. Heidi Raphael, a spokeswoman for the station, said Severin had been suspended indefinitely from his afternoon drive-time show. She declined to say which of his comments - made since an outbreak of swine flu was linked to Mexico in recent days - sparked the suspension.
Reminds me of the story of the two BULLS. LOL. I'll stick with the older bunch. More wisdom imo.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
Abraham 'Honest Abe' Lincoln proved that FedGov, under strong GOP leadership, can run roughshod over your rights and your states' rights.
_________________________________________________________________________ I heard about Severin. He should have known better since his check was cut by a corporation that values PC over brutal honesty, however crude.
Racists? I don't know about that. Isn't that a little harsh? I mean, just because people don't like niggers, spics, wops, Catholics, faggots, kikes, crackers, sandniggers, towelheads, chinks and gooks doesn't necessarily make them haters.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em :)
That's only genocide if leaving == death. As far as I know, there's only one group on the planet that loves us so much.
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
and this is before legislation...
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Relax Francis. Americans didn't even deport blacks when they had a good shot at it.
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
One could make a similar argument without getting into the gutter...as for the hate speech thing I don't it will pass the senate in its present form to easy for the court to over rule it... even liberal judges will have a problem with it
A reading of the founders intent on the 1st amendment was responsible speech not any speech
Now lets define "responsible." I'd like to see any info regarding this, Robby.
Jeeze, that's an EASY one. "Responsible" is whatever the jews say it is. Have you decided if you're being stumbled over or kicked yet? Even a dog can make that determination, but no, not us clever Uhhhmerkkins.
Francis, my ass. If you don't fucking mind, while I defend the right of anyone to say anything here that's not libelous, let me say that genocide of anybody is nothing to joke about. I find it even more objectionable when some yahoo from out of nowhere suggests such a course of action in apparent earnest. I don't believe that this tenor of discussion is what Christine had in mind when she established this forum. They can round up all the illegals and give them a ticket home for all I care, but bumping people off ain't an option. I don't like to leave nonsense like this unanswered because comments like this are fodder for OUR ENEMIES. They love it when jerks like this take advantage of forums like this to post swill. One wonders whence they come. Cheers.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. huh? what Severin said would fall under the category of hate speech, not irresponsible speech like yelling fire in a crowded room. and how is it you've interpreted the founders meaning to be responsible speech? this doesn't even sound like you!
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That's a totally uncalled for comment and I take exception to it's logic and truthfulness. I abhor you.
Nonsense, they hate non-travellers just for drawing breath. PV was right, Abe Lincoln was going to ship the 'chuckers back to Afreaka where they belonged.
_________________________________________________________________________ Without digging through reams of documents freedom of speech was a contested issue between Jefferson Mason Madison against the Federalists and Hamilton in large part because of the difference's when it came to the subject of seditious speech....even today there are some US states that still have blasphemy laws on the books from the founding days
History is a bitch blaspheme laws in America were only overturned in 1972 Chapter 272 of the Massachusetts General Laws states, for example: Section 36. Whoever willfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, His creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior. The history of Maryland's blasphemy statutes suggests that even into the 1930s, the First Amendment was not recognized as preventing states from passing such laws. An 1879 codification of Maryland statutes prohibited blasphemy: Art. 72, sec. 189. If any person, by writing or speaking, shall blaspheme or curse God, or shall write or utter any profane words of and concerning our Saviour, Jesus Christ, or of and concerning the Trinity, or any of the persons thereof, he shall, on conviction, be fined not more than one hundred dollars, or imprisoned not more than six months, or both fined and imprisoned as aforesaid, at the discretion of the court. According to the marginalia, this statute was adopted in 1819, and a similar law dates back to 1723. In 1904, the statute was still on the books at Art. 27, sec. 20, unaltered in text. As late as 1939, this statute was still the law of Maryland. But in 1972, in Maryland v. Irving K. West, the Maryland Court of Appeals (the state's highest court) declared the blasphemy law unconstitutional.[19]
I could go for arresting the aliens though.
Oh, believe me, I know. I have fucked with them personally.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Heh heh heh. My work here is almost done. :)
Try again.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition these are state statute examples really having nothing to do with the 1stA. further, they reference blasphemy. what has that to do with "responsible" speech or more specifically Severin's calling illegal mexicans criminaliens and leeches? i don't see the semblance.
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Severin like Rush and company cannot make a legit argument without getting into the gutter and will be the reason "conservatives" will spend the next 40 years out of power and as aside are responsible for the recent hate crime bill as for the founders and free speech I suggest you re-read the anti federalist papers to see the arguments over free speech.... http://books.google.com/books?id...=result&resnum=4#PPA63,M1 And if you support Severin and his elk's free speech rights than I take it you also supported the radio jocks in Rwanda who were responsible for the killing 800,000 Hutus ......being in the business of talk radio I take my responsibilities very seriously and attempt to educate and inform... not to mislead and promote xenophobia.
Robby, until this argument can be applied equally to the left side of the political spectrum (Janeane Garofalo, Olbermann & company) it's nothing but a heavy dose of PC and should be rejected outright by a free people.
I repeat, Americans wouldn't even deport blacks when they had the chance. Your concern, like the original post to which you replied, is simply not to be taken seriously.
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
I reject the argument of hiding behind the skirt of freedom of speech to incite violence to achieve a political objective no matter what side it comes from....the hypocrisy of these so called pro-lifers is so thick you can cut it with a knife...
I don't know about the pro-lifers you mention, what I am saying is that only the political right is being silenced by PC. Tons of examples out there, but I'm sure there isn't a need to make my case. My point is this "hate" legislation will be used to protect certain groups and sanctions will be applied to whites (mostly)
I get the anger. I'm fit to explode myself. Perhaps because your folks don't come from a country where folks were rounded up, you don't understand my concern. These things happen because the ordinary folks are OK with this kind of loose talk. A man shouldn't be suprised if this kind genocidal rhetoric is turned around against him. In truth, given the current state of affaits it's guys like you and me who are in greatest danger of political persecution. And persecution is a prospect that is now not as remote as it seemed just months ago. Taking a consistent moral position is no guarantee that a man won't be the object of a witch hunt some day, but wishing hell on others arms the opposition. They know too fucking well how to use your words against you.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. i do support Severin's free speech rights but that doesn't then extend to supporting in any way the killing of the Hutus or anyone else. is it your contention that had it not been for the Rwandan radio jocks, these killings would have not occurred? was it their incitement or did they actually do the killing?
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All so called "conservative" talk show hosts are or say they are in one breath pro life then in the next breath want to kill all the muslims...I agree with your point about hate legislation but if were not for these nut jobs we would not be talking about it or now dealing with it
Yes
Let me apply the same logic to the folks who *abhor* torture yet applaud the Obama surge in Afghanistan and his Drone'ing of innocent Paki's.
No question no matter which side it comes from
From your link: "In the end, there was no need to establish a single comprehensive theory. Both the fereralists and their opponents had an interest in leaving the matter vague and unresolved."
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"She will be prosecuted for genocide and crimes against humanity," the justice minister said. Radio Mille Collines became notorious for its broadcasts which encouraged the slaughter of Tutsis and of Hutus who were sympathetic to the Tutsi cause. The station was launched in 1993, backed by family members of the Hutu President Juvenal Habyarimana - whose death in a plane crash triggered the genocide. "Do not kill those inyenzi (cockroaches) with a bullet - cut them to pieces with a machete" was one comment attributed to Ms Bemeriki. i think it's a huge stretch, Robby, to compare the speech of Bemeriki in this incidence to that of Severin's. Severin is not in any way inciting violence by calling ILLEGAL mexicans criminaliens, primatives, and leeches. further, i find it difficult to believe that her speech caused the genocide. i'm sure there was decades, if not generations, of fighting and hatred between these tribes. certainly her speech heightened and inflamed the situation which is reprehensibly irresponsible, but to be prosecuted for genocide and crimes against humanity as if she did the actual killing is wrong.
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Excellent. Germany in 1938 couldn't have happened, I think, if the press was responsible. That style of Free Speech cost Germany and the world quite a bit. Interesting observation v. Rwanda, I was unaware of radio's role in the pograms.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes they left it to states ergo the 10th Amendment and hence my reference to blaspheme laws.... as for Jay lets not forget "words have consequences" this what Jay said "So now, in addition to venereal disease and the other leading exports of Mexico -- women with mustaches and VD -- now we have swine flu," Severin said this week. During a conversation with a caller complaining about immigrants receiving health care, Severin said emergency rooms had "become essentially condos for Mexicans," and blamed what he deemed the "world's lowest primitives" for the recent outbreak. "It's millions of leeches from a primitive country come here to leech off you and, with it, they are ruining the schools, the hospitals, and a lot of life in America," he said. Not much difference to how events unfolded in Rwanda Rwanda genocide journalists sentenced Thursday, December 4, 2003 NAIROBI, Kenya (Reuters) -- Two Rwandan journalists were jailed for life and a third was sentenced to 35 years Wednesday for fanning the flames of a 1994 genocide that killed an estimated 800,000 people, a U.N. tribunal spokesman said. The verdict marks the end of a landmark three-year trial during which the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda in Tanzania heard how the media played a major role in inciting extremists from the Hutu majority to carry out the 100-day slaughter of ethnic Tutsis and politically moderate Hutus. Ferdinand Nahimana, a founding member of Radio Television Libres des Mille Collines (RTLM), was sentenced to life in prison along with Hassan Ngeze, owner and editor of the Hutu extremist newspaper Kangura. Life in prison is the most severe penalty that can be handed down by the tribunal. "Nahimana chose a path of genocide and betrayed the trust placed in him as an intellectual and a leader," said Presiding Judge Navanethem Pillay. "He caused the deaths of thousands of civilians without a firearm." The third defendant, Jean-Bosco Barayagwiza, who was also a founder of RTLM and public affairs director in Rwanda's Foreign Affairs Ministry, was sentenced to 35 years in prison. "RTLM broadcasts was a drumbeat calling on listeners to take action against Tutsis," Judge Pillay said. "RTLM spread petrol throughout the country little by little, so that one day it would be able to set fire to the whole country," he said.
i strongly disagree with you.
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What in god's holy name does the Rwanda slaughter have to do with draconian hate speech law?
I take it you like Jay who like Rush Hanniety Medved Hewitt et al have all been wrong about everything for the past 8 years...sorry but he is a neocon and I have no time for bigots
Click on the vids and learn the real story.
"words have consequences"......the hate law is just cause and effect...much like Sept 11th....American conservatives have been feed a bill of goods by its so called radio jocks....I don't blame liberals for doing what they do I do however blame the likes of Jay etc for giving them the excuse
I'm from Africa I know the real story
i don't know much about him, robby. i'm responding solely on the quote above. like Voltaire, whether i like what he says or not, i support his right to say it.
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Do me a favor, define conservative. The reason I ask is simple; put 10 people in a room and you'll get 10 different answers. All this because there has been a steady dilution of the philosophy by those who vote for the less of two evils. The movement went from an early Buckley, Barry Goldwater and all the paleos, to this pile of crap identifying themselves as such. So when you mention "conservative" and then plug in Hannity, Limbaugh and whoever the fuck this Jay guy is, you make no sense to anyone who follows politics to even a small degree.
And I'm from America so read the post about *OUR* "conservative" politics, and not what u define as such.
Come on Christine Voltaire was referring to religion
Conservative means one that conserves in this instance to conserve the intent of the founders...a Republic if you can keep it
When guys post dumb shit like this: The Swine Flue is a valid reason why this nation should practice genocide. The sick wetbacks cross into our country with their diseases, poverty, crime and corruption, and we should give them one of two options: Leave or be buried here. That is my idea of immigration reform. Do I hear an amen? RO they get their "amen." Then the robnoels of the planet come out of the woodwork, and shake their little forfingers in your face. Behind them in the second rank are the bolsheviks, and they have power - in increasing depth and magnitude. That is becoming crystal clear these days make no mistake about it. Choose the short of rhetoric you use, and choose wisely. If you choose well, you will be fighting on your own ground. If you choose ill, or just strike out like a wounded beast, these people will have your chestnuts. You have no idea how fast this can happen.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. From the BBC article: Sorry, seems to me those people had it coming to them, the same as the people who are destroying this country do, as well as their families. Better late then never.
Please address your bitch to "guys". I'll be happy to defend my comments, and
I suggest others do the same.
This is a side of the Rwanda tale of woe that is seldom mentioned by our Jewish-dominated media.
And therefore Hannity, Limbaugh, and the Jay fuck who has your panties twisted do not fit the definition. So please, stop calling them "conservatives."
François-Marie Arouet (21 November 1694 – 30 May 1778), better known by the pen name Voltaire, was a French Enlightenment writer, essayist, and philosopher known for his wit, philosophical sport and defence of civil liberties, including both freedom of religion and free trade. Voltaire was a prolific writer and produced works in almost every literary form, authoring plays, poetry, novels, essays, historical and scientific works, more than 20,000 letters and more than 2000 books and pamphlets. He was an outspoken supporter of social reform, despite strict censorship laws and harsh penalties for those who broke them. A satirical polemicist, he frequently made use of his works to criticize Catholic Church dogma and the French institutions of his day. Voltaire was one of several Enlightenment figures (along with Montesquieu, John Locke, Thomas Hobbes and Jean-Jacques Rousseau) whose works and ideas influenced important thinkers of both the American and French Revolutions.
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There was a Canadian General, IIRC, who had some 2,500 troops ready to step in at the onset and separate the tribes. Kofi Annan & the Clintoids intentionally kept him on the sidelines. He raised countless bitches to no avail. The event was staged, approved and green lighted by the UN, and Washington. Welcome to Africa, the Dark Continent where such events are lore.
I have often referred to them as "so called conservatives"...and my "panties have been twisted" for the past 8 years for them spewing their daily so called "conservative" values
May I suggest you drop "conservative" completely? Call them "so called" if that works for you. ********** Program Excerpt 1: The Warning An informant tells Gen. Dallaire about Hutu extremists' extermination plans. But Kofi Annan's U.N. peacekeeping office is skeptical; Annan tells Dallaire not to raid arms caches and avoid using any force. The extremists are now confident the U.N. won't stand in their way. On April 6th the Rwanda president's plane is shot down. The killing begins. Dallaire again requests U.N. guidance and again is told to avoid armed conflict. FYI, for months during that slaughter, I faxed my congressman, Jim Greenwood and Senator Helms urging them to intervene in the slaughter. Not one of more than (I guess over a hundred) faxes was answered. I gave a shit and your Africa and My America didn't.
I see your concern for the Tutsi's is in stark contrast with your other "America first" sentiments. At the time I wanted intervention, myself. I would say otherwise today. Our own people are slipping beneath the waves of history, in part due to their false sense of noblesse oblige.
As I understand it most of those 800,000 men, women and children were killed by machete blows. That Canadian general, w/2500 troops feels he could have stopped it. If we as a civilized people can prevent that, we should. Bringing it closer to home, if we could prevent another Irish potato famine (more than a million starved by the Brits), I'd stop that also.
The power of radio... most if not all of the GDP (general dumb public) associate Rush and company as "conservative" and is the reason true conservatives have now been relegated to the dust bin of history....and if you really want to know how I currently feel .... the only thing that may give America back it's pride is a horse....maybe that horse will show up tomorrow in Kentucky Wonder horse who gave a nation back its pride His breeders wrote him off. A trader bought him by accident. Now the world's fastest race-horse is the talk of Hungary, reports Daniel McLaughlin As Gabriella Jesensky steps towards the paddock rail with a rosy apple for her favourite horse, a black-clad security guard blocks her path. It is not just any nag rolling in the dirt and kicking up huge clouds of ochre dust behind him. This is Overdose, perhaps the fastest – if not the prettiest – horse in the world, and a horse carrying the hopes of the Hungarian nation. Bought almost by accident at a sale three years ago in England for just £2,100, Overdose is now worth millions after winning all 12 of his races in stunning fashion. He is credited with revitalising not only Hungary's ancient equestrian tradition, but the spirit of a country wearied by its political and economic woes. Last weekend, on the heels of a government collapse, the announcement of a harsh austerity budget and predictions of the worst recession since the fall of communism, Overdose streaked to victory at Kincsem Park in Budapest, the country's last surviving racecourse. About 20,000 people flocked to watch him – more than 20 times the usual attendance and thousands more than its official capacity – and laid bets with such abandon that the 30-year-old bookmaking system collapsed under the strain. Overdose broke the course record on his way to the finishing post, although the antiquated timing system also seized up on the big occasion.
I don't know how we got to the Derby, but I like the story about the HS principal. Is his horse running?
The white man's burden.
Yeah. Wasn't throwing that in your face. I apologize if it seemed that way. You asked a good question: "What in god's holy name does the Rwanda slaughter have to do with draconian hate speech law?" The answer is, in my book, absolutely nothing. Point was these leftists are ready to drop the strawman argument on a moment's notice. When "guys" say edgy stuff, they feed the beast. The next thing you know, you're arguing about whether talk show hosts should here should be held to the same standards as talk show hosts in Rwanda. The argument should be that you and I have the right to say anything we want to that doesn't defame or materially damage someone else. End of story. It's non- negotiable. This isn't Europe or Rwanda or any other damned place. The reality though is that when "guys" say "nigger" or "genocide illegals" on this forum, they hand these bastards a weapon that they will not fail to use.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Does that quote now makes sense?....he also said... Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Thanks for asking :-) Feel-good story of Tom McCarthy, General Quarters, rides into Kentucky Derby LOUISVILLE - My high school biology teacher, Mr. Mitnick, gave me a tongue-lashing I've never forgotten, cut me up and down like one of his precious little frogs. Tom McCarthy, who taught the same subject, comes close to erasing that memory when he carries on about General Quarters, the important horse in his barn, the only horse. The 75-1/2-year-old owner-trainer-grandpappy-babysitter is the Derby's best prerace story. General Quarters may not be the best horse but he shouldn't be overlooked. Which is what McCarthy did when he first had a chance to fill his one-horse barn. His busiest year he was 0-for-22. And came into this year zip-for-everything since a single win in 2006. It's sadder than the economy. Until you hit the Churchill Downs backstretch, Barn 37, where McCarthy is canoodling with and bathing the 3-year-old he could have sold for several million not too many weeks ago. He won't reveal the exact figures. "Very decent offers," he said, "but I promised I wouldn't say how much. Over a million? Oh, yes, but I want to take him all the way if I can. No ifs, ands or buts. At this point in my life I don't need an awful lot of money. At my age, and being from Louisville, I'll probably never have another chance at the Kentucky Derby. You just don't sell a dream."
Thanks you made my point
Gotcha randge, it's all good. Peace.
A truly lovely story. I hope some writer/director noticed like we did.
it made sense to me in the first place. that's why i quoted it. it isn't exclusive to speech about religion.
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Everyone has now noticed...he was 20-1 this morning right now joint favorite at 5-1 ...I bet him a few months back at 70-1 :-)
Religion was the bases for everything the founders did ....and were very influenced by the thinking of Burke and Voltaire..up to and including personal responsibility when it came to speech
Keep that crystal ball polished. Good call!
No crystal ball... every year I bet on all the grey horses entered into the derby when future waging opens....on a more serious point this is what American "so called conservatives" have given us as I said before I don't blame the liberals I blame Rush etc Obama revelling in U.S. power unseen in decades By Steve Holland WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Barack Obama is revelling in presidential power and influence unseen in Washington for decades. Barely 100 days in office, the U.S. president and his Democratic Party have firm control over the White House and Congress and the ability to push through ambitious plans. Now, with the coming retirement of a Supreme Court justice clearing the way for him to appoint a successor, Obama already is assured a legacy at the top of all three branches of government -- executive, legislative and judicial. On the corporate front, the federal government's pumping of billions of dollars in bailout money into banks and auto companies has given Obama the power to force an overhaul in those industries, a remarkable intervention in capitalist industries by the state. Americans are giving him leeway as well. His job approval ratings are well over 60 percent, giving him political capital to undertake big challenges. His political opponents, the Republicans, are in disarray, reduced in numbers and engaged in an internal struggle over how to recover from devastating election losses in 2006 and last year. Experts speak of Obama in the same league as such transformational presidents as Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, who led the United States through the Great Depression and World War Two, and Republican Ronald Reagan, who led the country to victory in the Cold War. "I cannot in my memory remember a time when a president of the United States has had more influence,"
Excellent comment. I would use the term selfus immolatus to describe (especially white) ameriKa. The ideal of sacrificing our own children to "save the world" may be an altruistic goal on paper, however, altruism accomplishes nothing when our progeny (and the future) are destroyed in third world cesspools because aliens (or some warped religious ideals) mean more than our own children. Our sons should not die in third world hellholes for a "feel- good" agenda. Ever. Again.
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Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You really need to read the Wiki page about him to believe it. He began years ago by supporting GA Gov. Lester Maddox, and claims to be a Libertarian who supports the Patriot Act! "Political schizophrenic" is the best I can offer to describe him. Perhaps he was chosen as the Southern operative in the Bob Grant-Joe Pyne-Rush Limburger tradition in order to occupy the extremist position so the puppeteers could establish the limitations of "acceptable thought and speech in America."
don't know if this article has been posted. -------------------------------------- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30467300/ Amid swine flu outbreak, racism goes viral Anti-immigrant hatred spreads on talk radio, Web sites By Brian Alexander msnbc.com contributor updated 9:46 a.m. PT, Fri., May 1, 2009 “No contact anywhere with an illegal alien!” conservative talk show host Michael Savage advised his U.S. listeners this week on how to avoid the swine flu. “And that starts in the restaurants" where he said, you “don’t know if they wipe their behinds with their hands!” And Thursday, Boston talk radio host Jay Severin was suspended after calling Mexican immigrants "criminalians" during a discussion of swine flu and saying that emergency rooms had become "essentially condos for Mexicans." That’s tepid compared to some of the xenophobic reactions spreading like an emerging virus across the Internet. “This disgusting blight is because MEXICANS ARE PIGS!” an anonymous poster ranted on the “prison planet” forum, part of radio host and columnist Alex Jones’ Web site.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Neither does this: That is an uneducated American bastardization of the the language.
And talk show host Neal Boortz has gone so far as to suggest Islamic terrorists created the deadly flu strain and introduced it to Mexicans as a sneaky way to spread it to the U.S.
#2. To: christine (#1)
#3. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#0)
(Edited)
Perhaps the scariest thing is that these ignorant people with large platforms aren’t feeling any repercussions from their comments.
#4. To: IndieTX (#3)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#6. To: hondo68 (#5)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#8. To: ReallyOrnery (#7)
I guess two people can read the same article and come to different conclusion
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
That has left us with a fractured America and a budding civil war.
#10. To: robnoel (#8)
".Conservatives my ass they collectively have destroyed any hope that those that hold true conservative values will ever be elected again
#11. To: Sam Houston (#9)
(Edited)
Our local teabaggers (who are having another gathering on July 4) are mostly old white guys who wouldn't last very long in a firefight. Some of them can barely walk. All the old war wounds have caught up with them. Yeah, that's the ticket
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
#13. To: Sam Houston (#12)
Around here, it is obvious that the TBs are only united in who and what they hate.
#14. To: ReallyOrnery (#7)
The Swine Flue is a valid reason why this nation should practice genocide.
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#15. To: randge (#14)
Honestly, some folks take things into their mouths that are so foul and reckless that they are scarce to be believed. They'd crap their pants if they saw these things take place before their eyes.
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
(Edited)
They can stick they religion, sexual morals, and hypocrisy where the sun doesn't shine.
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
That wasn't the case where I was, but to your point, I'll take the aging guy who has had enough, over younger guy who sits back and watches. How it grow is to be determined, but I find it funny that such a feeble effort has attracted all the right enemy.
#18. To: Sam Houston (#12)
The GOPers for the last 30 years have set out to prove that the federal government is the problem and that it can never operate effectively.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#19. To: robnoel (#16)
Severin
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Racists Using Swine Flu As Excuse to Promote Hate
#21. To: Vitamin Z (#20)
#22. To: ReallyOrnery (#7)
Leave or be buried here.
#23. To: robnoel (#16)
Jay Severin, the fiery right wing talk show host on Boston's WTKK-FM radio station, was suspended yesterday after calling Mexican immigrants "criminaliens," "primitives," "leeches," and exporters of "women with mustaches and VD," among other incendiary comments.
#24. To: randge (#14)
Why not necklacing while you're at it or whacking off some limbs? How about black buses and cattle cars and death camps?
#25. To: christine (#23)
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#27. To: robnoel (#26)
A reading of the founders intent on the 1st amendment was responsible speech not any speech
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
Now lets define "responsible."
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#29. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#24)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#30. To: robnoel (#26)
responsible speech
#31. To: Esso (#28)
#32. To: randge (#29)
I don't like to leave nonsense like this unanswered because comments like this are fodder for OUR ENEMIES
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
#34. To: christine (#30)
#35. To: robnoel (#33)
when it came to the subject of seditious speech
I've already said too much.
#36. To: X-15 (#32)
Nonsense, they hate non-travellers just for drawing breath.
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
I abhor you.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#38. To: robnoel (#26)
A reading of the founders intent on the 1st amendment was responsible speech not any speech
#39. To: robnoel (#34)
#40. To: christine (#39)
#41. To: robnoel (#40)
Severin like Rush and company cannot make a legit argument without getting into the gutter and will be the reason "conservatives" will spend the next 40 years out of power and as aside are responsible for the recent hate crime bill as for the founders and free speech I suggest you re-read the anti federalist papers to see the arguments over free speech....
#42. To: randge (#29)
#43. To: Jethro Tull (#41)
#44. To: robnoel (#43)
#45. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#42)
Your concern, like the original post to which you replied, is simply not to be taken seriously.
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#46. To: robnoel (#40)
And if you support Severin and his elk's free speech rights than I take it you also supported the radio jocks in Rwanda who were responsible for the killing 800,000 Hutus
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
I don't know about the pro-lifers you mention
#48. To: christine (#46)
is it your contention that had it not been for the Rwandan radio jocks, these killings would have not occurred? was it their incitement or did they actually do the killing?
#49. To: robnoel (#47)
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
(Edited)
#51. To: robnoel (#40)
http://books.google.com/books?id...=result&resnum=4#PPA63,M1
#52. To: robnoel (#48)
A Rwandan radio journalist has been charged with inciting mass killings during the 1994 genocide. Valerie Bemeriki, a former employee of the independent Radio Mille Collines, was arrested in north-western Rwanda late last week, according to Justice Minister Jean de Dieu Mucyo.
#53. To: robnoel (#40)
And if you support Severin and his elk's free speech rights than I take it you also supported the radio jocks in Rwanda who were responsible for the killing 800,000 Hutus ......being in the business of talk radio I take my responsibilities very seriously and attempt to educate and inform... not to mislead and promote xenophobia.
#54. To: christine (#51)
From your link: "In the end, there was no need to establish a single comprehensive theory. Both the fereralists and their opponents had an interest in leaving the matter vague and unresolved."
#55. To: robnoel (#54)
Not much difference to how events unfolded in Rwanda
#56. To: robnoel (#54)
#57. To: christine (#55)
#58. To: robnoel (#57)
sorry but he is a neocon and I have no time for bigots
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)
#61. To: robnoel (#57)
#62. To: robnoel (#59)
#63. To: robnoel (#60)
(Edited)
#64. To: christine (#61)
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
What in god's holy name does the Rwanda slaughter have to do with draconian hate speech law?
Hi, Y'all~
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#67. To: christine (#52)
further, i find it difficult to believe that her speech caused the genocide. i'm sure there was decades, if not generations, of fighting and hatred between these tribes.
An estimated 800,000 people were killed in the 1994 genocide, which was directed against the Tutsi people who were Rwanda's feudal rulers until 1959.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#68. To: randge (#66)
When guys post dumb s**t like this:
#69. To: Esso (#67)
An estimated 800,000 people were killed in the 1994 genocide, which was directed against the Tutsi people who were Rwanda's feudal rulers until 1959.
#70. To: robnoel (#65)
Conservative means one that conserves in this instance to conserve the intent of the founders...a Republic if you can keep it
#71. To: robnoel (#64)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire
#72. To: Deasy (#69)
#73. To: Jethro Tull (#70)
#74. To: robnoel (#73)
#75. To: Jethro Tull, robnoel (#74)
#76. To: Deasy (#75)
#77. To: Jethro Tull (#74)
#78. To: robnoel (#77)
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#76)
#80. To: Jethro Tull, All (#68)
Please address your bitch to "guys".
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#81. To: christine (#71)
A satirical polemicist, he frequently made use of his works to criticize Catholic Church
#82. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
I like the story about the HS principal. Is his horse running?
#83. To: randge (#80)
The reality though is that when "guys" say "nigger" or "genocide illegals" on this forum, they hand these bastards a weapon that they will not fail to use.
#84. To: randge (#80)
#85. To: robnoel (#82)
#86. To: robnoel (#81)
I may detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it-- Voltaire.
#87. To: Jethro Tull (#85)
#88. To: christine (#86)
#89. To: robnoel (#87)
I bet him a few months back at 70-1 :-)
#90. To: Jethro Tull (#89)
#91. To: Deasy, prefrontal vortex, jethro tull, robnoel, all (#75)
(Edited)
At the time I wanted intervention, myself. I would say otherwise today. Our own people are slipping beneath the waves of history, in part due to their false sense of noblesse oblige.
#92. To: robnoel, all (#90)
"I cannot in my memory remember a time when
a president of the United States the Hammer and Sickle has had more influence,"
#93. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#1)
is boortz a Freeper?
#94. To: Jethro Tull, christine, twentytwelve (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#95. To: christine (#30)
this doesn't even sound like you!
If it were not for these "dick heads" America would not
of have declared a "war on terror" or passed the "Patriot Act".
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
Used Tires Amityville, Babylon, Lindenhurst
#96. To: Critter (#95)
Thanks moron
#97. To: IndieTX, Jethro Tull (#91)
There you go talking sense again. At least there will never be a Hutu or Tutsi Lobby.
Our sons should not die in third world hellholes for a "feel- good" agenda. Ever. Again.
Everything lasts and everything ends. Longer than our children could ever imagine, faster than we could ever imagine. Children are the stuff of life; god was right to deny us immortality.
#98. To: Artisan (#94)
No, I haven't seen that, thanks. IMO, this flu should be called the Mexican flu, just as the 1918 flu was called the Spanish flu. Points of origin are important for purposes of reducing the spread. I'm also not surprised the Internet, along with talk radio, is a target of the PC-Nazis. They're after our guns, speech and eventual freedom. As a side note to all this 'racism', *my* life experience has taught me that within each race a majority exists who thinks their own race is superior to that of others. I'll let others explain why or what that phenomena is, but as I say, that's been my experience and I'm fine with it. Government officials are also fine with it, as long as the group showing overt pride is from a minority class and not from a Northern European one.
#99. To: Jethro Tull (#98)
It's called "exceptionalism" usually promoted by those who think they are "Gods chosen"
I'll let others explain why or what that phenomena is
#100. To: robnoel (#64)
Voltaire was impressed by Britain's Constitutional Monarchy in comparison to the French Absolute Monarchy, as well as the country's support of the freedoms of speech and religion. You over simplify.
#101. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
For the record after doing a little late nite research Voltaire never said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,this was penned by his biography Evelyn Beatrice Hall,Hall said that she paraphrased Voltaire's words in his "Treatise on Toleration," which includes such thoughts as:"Not only is it extremely cruel to persecute in this brief life those who do not think the way we do, but I do not know if it might be too presumptuous to declare their eternal damnation".
#102. To: robnoel (#101)
Thanks for the interesting factoid. Above is a Voltaire quote said to have prompted this paraphrase. Regardless of who penned these exact words, I agree it is in keeping with Voltaire's beliefs, and it is something I believe in very deeply. If one cannot respect others enough to respect their free speech rights, then why should anyone take such a person seriously? I sure don't.
Essay on Tolerance — "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too."
#103. To: Ferret Mike (#102)
On the matter of "respect" when it comes what Jay said I defer to “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
If one cannot respect others enough to respect their free speech rights, then why should anyone take such a person seriously? I sure don't.
#104. To: robnoel (#103)
Heh, which would mean Afrikaners should be sequestered in remote 'homelands' and given internal 'passports' and no citizenship as they did to others in the Nationalist Party Apartheid days. They should also be given schools that teach in a tongue not native to them without the capacity to educate all of them in an inadequate fashion. The days of their day in the sun were despicable and I am glad that it is over. (And I presume you realize I am making a point, not stating an advocacy.) Amandla Awethu
#105. To: Ferret Mike (#104)
Could make the same point in relation to American Indians....
#106. To: Ferret Mike (#102)
If one respects and supports the Anti-Defamation League (as you have on many occasions), one has to wonder at your supposed love of free speech.
If one cannot respect others enough to respect their free speech rights...
#107. To: robnoel (#105)
You know it. Custer had it coming. Where do you think I learned the empathy needed to know the truth about Apartheid. Both the south of Africa and the Americas suffer from the application of doctrines such as that laid out in the Doctrine of Discovery.
#108. To: bluegrass (#106)
Hi bait boy. How's it shaking?
#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
Are you ready to throw in the towel on the ADL yet or are you just going to keep stonewalling?
#110. To: bluegrass (#109)
As far as I am concerned, you engender no dialog or desire to converse in using this tired vehicle to try to bait. In other words, fuck off.
#111. To: Ferret Mike (#110)
You mirror the tactics of your mentors, Shlomo.
#112. To: christine, pinguinite, Jethro Tull, randge, HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend, scrapper2, Lady X, Esso, DeaconBenjamin, bush_is_a_moonie, Cynicom, Rotara, Prefrontal Vortex, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, Rupert_Pupkin, PSUSA, litus, wbales (#106)
Weasel Mickey: still up to his old tricks.
#113. To: bluegrass (#111)
Those people are your role models, not mine. Worry about yourself Rabbi, not me.
#114. To: Ferret Mike (#113)
You claimed that the ADL engages in 'good works'. They appear to be your role models.
Those people...
#115. To: bluegrass (#114)
Your material is dated, and this has been pointed out to you. So, if you believed in Santa Claus as a child, you still do? You bait to no effect, give it a rest.
#116. To: Ferret Mike (#115)
Are you now claiming that the ADL is anathema to Liberty?
Your material is dated
#117. To: Ferret Mike (#115)
Eff the Bankers bluegrass posted on 2009-05-02 12:59:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Did you notice how the poster took the position of his/her post to packrat you?
#112. To: christine, pinguinite, Jethro Tull, randge, HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend, scrapper2, Lady X, Esso, DeaconBenjamin, bush_is_a_moonie, Cynicom, Rotara, Prefrontal Vortex, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, Rupert_Pupkin, PSUSA, litus, wbales (#106) Weasel Mickey: still up to his old tricks.
#118. To: robnoel, ALL (#101)
Charles Lindbergh Speaks on a United European Race [ Neautrality and WWII] "Our bond with Europe is a bond of race and not of political ideology. It is the European race we must preserve, political progress will follow. Racial strength is vital, politics a luxury. If the white race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take our part in its protection..., to fight side by side with the English, French and Germans, but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction." <..>
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#119. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#117)
Indeed. The tyranny of the majority is a staple of the Free Republic type in forums. This tactic is of no consequence, as it earmarks a major aspect to how little point or relevance this person's baiting has. He is a Chihuhua trying to hump a Great Dane. it is of little consequence or importance as to how he inappropriately seeks to try to entertain himself.
#120. To: Ferret Mike (#115)
I can't believe you voted for Barry Sotaro. What were you thinking?
#121. To: Ferret Mike (#119)
I see you are slammed or regarded as only capable to support say, the US Communist Party on a frequent basis by many posters. Why is that?
#122. To: TwentyTwelve (#120)
No such person exists. That is like saying my name is Michael Bond because that is the last name of the man who married my Mother after my Dad died in 1960.
#123. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#121)
That would be because his left leg is 8" shorter than his right one, thus tilting him leftward.
I see you are slammed or regarded as only capable to support say, the US Communist Party on a frequent basis by many posters. Why is that?
#124. To: Jethro Tull (#123)
I see you are answering for Ferret Mike. And you are attempting to make jokes. Where are your credentials to answer for anyone?
#125. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#124)
It's 2:30 EST, aren't you close to another rum run?
#126. To: Jethro Tull (#125)
Not knowing what you otherwised infered, I was about to have some coke.
#127. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#126)
One intoxicant for another. One assaults your liver, while the other blows up your precious few remaining brain cells. It's your life, pal o' mine, but please, do the majority of your posting before you whiten your nose.
#128. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
I have no idea what you are blabbering about. Having a coke on a nice Saturday while chit-chatting with a mad-man whom makes not only assumptions but also professes some pathetic belief in government is kinda fun. I should try this more often.
#129. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#121)
Ask them. That is a baseline, one size fits all bait I ignore. Why should I let them put me on the defensive over some group or economic theory I do not believe in nor support? That assertion is their problem, I don't need to make it mine.
"I see you are slammed or regarded as only capable to support say, the US Communist Party on a frequent basis by many posters. Why is that?"
#130. To: Ferret Mike (#129)
What sort of theories do you believe? Do you consider methods of intervention about private markets under direct government control? Aren't there ramifications for lessor or more control within a dynamic economic environment such as the the USA, wherein its economy represents about 25% of the total world?
Why should I let them put me on the defensive over some group or economic theory I do not believe in nor support?
#131. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
Precious few is correct. LOL!
One intoxicant for another. One assaults your liver, while the other blows up your precious few remaining brain cells. It's your life, pal o' mine, but please, do the majority of your posting before you whiten your nose.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#132. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#128)
No one expects you to know that buck. You don't even know what you are blabbering about.
I have no idea what you are blabbering about.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#133. To: Jethro Tull (#123)
Wrong Plasma, the legs are groovy, but me handlebars do stick in the wheel in the pointing left position time to time, but that's the breaks. ;-D
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