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Title: Regular flu shots this fall, maybe swine jab too
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap ... 405v1aBmsMNJBjxc8gwpAD97TPCBO0
Published: May 1, 2009
Author: By LAURAN NEERGAARD
Post Date: 2009-05-01 21:46:36 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Flu Shot, Swine Shot, Double Poison, Insanity
Views: 513
Comments: 33

Regular flu shots this fall, maybe swine jab too

By LAURAN NEERGAARD – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans might have to line up twice next winter for flu shots — once for the regular jab and again later for swine flu protection.

There is no vaccine against the new strain of swine flu that's rapidly spreading across the country. Nor has the government decided if it's going to order full-scale production of one.

Regardless, expect to get the regular flu shot. Manufacturers already have a lot of it brewed in advance of fall inoculation campaigns.

"If a vaccine for this new virus is prepared, it would be prepared either in parallel with or after the seasonal vaccine is already produced," Nancy Cox, flu chief at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Friday. "We would be able to have the seasonal vaccine and then if necessary as a supplemental" vaccine against the new swine flu virus.

The World Health Organization has put vaccine makers on notice as authorities grapple with this puzzling new strain of flu. It hit Mexico hard but seems to be causing milder disease in the U.S. and elsewhere. Standard anti-flu drugs can treat it, and the CDC said it doesn't seem to be spreading any faster than regular winter flu. But because people have never been exposed to this novel strain — a mix of pig, human and bird viruses — a race is on to develop a vaccine.

Influenza vaccine production is a long, complicated process and vaccine makers already were in the midst of making about 130 million doses of next winter's, plenty for usual demand.

Much of that production is done, with large amounts of vaccine already stored in holding tanks to be bottled later, said Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University Medical Center, a vaccine adviser to the federal government.

"We already have it well under way," agreed Donna Cary, spokeswoman for Sanofi-Aventis, the world's largest flu vaccine maker. The final total "really depends on when that switch occurs."

The U.S. clearly expects experimental doses of a swine flu vaccine: CDC scientists and some collaborating laboratories hope to deliver to manufacturers in early May a virus strain properly engineered to be a vaccine candidate. It would take manufacturers another eight to 10 weeks to brew pilot lots for testing in small numbers of people this summer.

But the big decision, as health authorities debate how big a threat this new virus really is, is whether to order that large numbers of vaccines be brewed — and if so, if they would be administered quickly or stockpiled to see if the new flu makes a comeback.

Officials told Congress Thursday that if necessary, manufacturers have the capacity to produce two doses for every American — or 600 million total — within six months of beginning full-scale production. Usually one dose is sufficient for H1N1 influenza strains — the family to which this virus belongs — but human testing is necessary to be sure with this new strain.

Combining swine flu with the regular winter shot "was considered and won't work," Schaffner said.

Because swine flu vaccine would be rolled out gradually as more and more was produced, Schaffner said the challenge will be dealing with public confusion if people need separate vaccinations weeks or months apart.

"Maybe we should start tattooing the vaccine record on everybody's fanny," Schaffner said he quipped to colleagues. "Just organizing things will be enormously complex."

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#1. To: TwentyTwelve, christine, James Deffenbach, HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)

manufacturers have the capacity to produce two doses for every American — or 600 million total — within six months of beginning full-scale production.

manufacturers...like from China?

litus  posted on  2009-05-01   21:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)

Americans might have to line up twice next winter for flu shots — once for the regular jab and again later for swine flu protection.

Some lucky American can have two of each if he wants them--I will give him mine.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-01   22:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

Would it be wrong to pray for some sort of bubble?

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-01   22:28:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Dakmar (#3)

I suspect it would depend on what kind of bubble you mean.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-01   22:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

Yes, I suspect it would too.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-01   22:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Dakmar (#3)

He's Irish. Vaccinate him with a potato and a six-pack.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-05-01   22:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

a potato and a six-pack.

Ah, gettin' fancy with your seven-course meals, eh?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-01   22:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#7)

Lace curtain, baby :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-05-01   22:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: litus (#1)

manufacturers...like from China?

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Yep.

But this is a new bird/swine/flu strain. How could they have ALREADY isolated it for inoculation?

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2009-05-01   22:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

LOL!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-01   22:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#9)

But this is a new bird/swine/flu strain. How could they have ALREADY isolated it for inoculation?

They might have been creating the antidote at about the same time they were whomping up whatever strain of virus this actually is. Of course it could all be lies and they may be fixing "vaccines" to get rid of half the population. Whatever their game is, I ain't playing it. No flu shots for me.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-01   22:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, TwentyTwelve, Jethro Tull, Esso, litus, ALL (#9)

Americans might have to line up twice next winter for flu shots

americans might have to????

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-05-02   0:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine, HAPPY2BME-4UM, Jethro Tull, Esso, litus, ALL (#12)

Americans might have to line up twice next winter for flu shots

americans might have to????

But SOME Americans may not want to.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-05-02   0:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#12)

americans might have to????

I hadn't even noticed that. Good eye.

litus  posted on  2009-05-02   21:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: litus, Rotara (#14)

In Mexico, an Unusual Flu Season Was a Sign of Something Ominous

MEXICO CITY, May 2 -- For seven tense days, the nation's top epidemiologist, Miguel Ángel Lezana, waited for the answer to a deadly mystery. When the news finally came April 23, it was as bad as he had feared.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-05-02   22:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TwentyTwelve, Rotara, christine (#15)

In Mexico, an Unusual Flu Season Was a Sign of Something Ominous

That's the other thing....flu season doesn't start just before summer........

litus  posted on  2009-05-02   23:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: litus, Rotara, christine (#16)

In Mexico, an Unusual Flu Season Was a Sign of Something Ominous

That's the other thing....flu season doesn't start just before summer........

This is a very strange flu.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-05-02   23:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TwentyTwelve, Rotara, christine (#17)

This is a very strange flu.

It's more than "strange" (as you know).

litus  posted on  2009-05-02   23:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: litus (#18)

Pigs are livestock, not cute little pets.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-02   23:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar (#19)

But this flu has nothing to do with the pigs.

litus  posted on  2009-05-03   0:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: litus (#20)

I wanted to call it HNIC flu all along, but couldn't come up with the money for a mariaching band.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-03   0:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Dakmar (#21)

What's "HNIC" flu?

litus  posted on  2009-05-03   0:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dakmar (#21)

never mind...I just googled that...

litus  posted on  2009-05-03   0:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: litus (#22)

hnic

hnic

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-03   0:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: litus (#23)

never mind...I just googled that...

yeah, hockey gets pretty boring sometimes, eh?

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-03   0:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Dakmar (#24)

oh...I thought you meant something else.

:)

litus  posted on  2009-05-03   0:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Dakmar (#25)

I prefer hockey to football, actually.

litus  posted on  2009-05-03   0:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: litus (#27)

I prefer hockey to football, actually.

I like arguing with people addicted to SSRI's.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-03   0:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Dakmar (#28)

I like arguing with people addicted to SSRI's.

If they're addicted to those, it seems to me they'd be less prone to arguing.

litus  posted on  2009-05-03   0:16:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: litus (#29)

I think seratonin is wonderful, I'd prolly go all murder crazy anyone tried to take it away from me either.

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-03   0:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Dakmar (#30)

Remind me to never suggest you go without them.

: )

litus  posted on  2009-05-03   0:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)

"Maybe we should start tattooing the vaccine record on everybody's fanny," Schaffner said he quipped to colleagues. "Just organizing things will be enormously complex."

Mybe we should start shooting Schnaffer's family with, um something.

Just saying.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - Henry Louis Mencken

rack42  posted on  2009-05-03   0:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: litus (#31)

Hope to never do!

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-05-03   0:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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