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Title: Texas: City Councilman Arrested for Opposing Red Light Cameras Source: [None] URL Source: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/27/2745.asp Published: May 4, 2009 Author: Staff Post Date: 2009-05-04 11:56:58 by Horse Keywords: NoneViews: 409 Comments: 10
Duncanville, Texas mayor silences anti-camera councilman by having him arrested. The mayor of Duncanville, Texas had a member of the city council arrested last Tuesday for speaking out against the use of red light cameras during an official meeting. The incident took place during the discussion of whether the city should spend $59,000 to make street repairs. Mayor David Green recognized Councilman Paul Ford to speak on the contract item. "Thank you," Ford said. "I want to let you know that earlier this evening during briefing, Mayor Green threatened me that if he told me to stop talking and I didn't, he'd have me arrested, and I want to let you know what I told Mayor Green." Green became outraged and shouted, "Mr Ford, you are out of order. You are not recognized Mr Ford. You need to cease right now." While Green yelled, Ford continued his brief statement without stopping. "Unlike those thousands of people who are getting red light camera tickets, I will have the opportunity for a jury trial. It will be a jury of my peers and I will confidently put my fate in their hands. And now I'm going to discuss agenda item number three. I will vote against it, and here's why." Before he had a chance to explain that the city could find the money for those necessary street repairs by cutting the city manager's salary from $179,000 to $160,000 and reducing payments to local chambers of commerce by $40,000, Police Chief Robert Brown grabbed Ford. Ford repeated several times the statement: "Chief Brown, I will not leave voluntarily, but if you believe I am violating the law by discussing this agenda item, I will submit to arrest." Brown did not respond. Mayor Green had the audio of the city council video tape turned off as Brown dragged the councilman out of the chamber. Ford ended up hospitalized from injuries sustained during the arrest. Ford's comments referenced an earlier, private briefing of city council members where the mayor complained that Ford had attempted to "take control" of past meetings. To stop this, Green announced that he would instruct the city manager to remove any council member who disrupted a meeting. Over the past few council sessions, Ford raised the mayor's ire by insisting that the city code be amended to allow motorists the option of a jury trial when contesting red light camera citations and by his pointing out that only five percent of the 43,955 red light camera tickets issued in the city went to motorists accused of the straight-through violations most consider to be "red light running." "I'm not the one who brought the red light camera scandal to Duncanville," Ford responded at the private meeting. "I'm the one who brought it to light, but I'm not the one who imposed it on us... I recognize that there probably is no city employee in this room who will stand up to you guys... Unlike those people who are getting red light camera citations, I will have an opportunity for a jury trial when you arrest me for whatever it is that you've discussed, whether it's disrupting a public meeting or disorderly conduct. I will have a jury trial, and it will be a jury of my peers, not yours. In other words, people who are not getting money from this city. And I will with conscience place my fate in their hands." Mayor Green's expulsion of an elected member of the city council violated standard rules of procedure. Under Robert's Rules of Order, the binding code of conduct for most municipal organizations, Green would not have any authority to have Ford removed for making off-topic comments that lasted less than thirty seconds. The use of force to remove a member is considered an extreme measure and a last resort. "Although the chair has no authority to impose a penalty or to order an offending member removed from the hall, the assembly has that power," the Rules state. Under this set of procedures, a mayor would first have issued a warning to an unruly member and, if ignored, put the question of what to do about it to the entire city council. A majority vote would be required to have a sitting member removed from the chambers after that member is given an opportunity to speak in his own defense. Under Duncanville's city charter (2.15), only the full council can change the rules of procedure, not the mayor acting alone. Ford has been released from the hospital but the mayor had a warrant issued for his arrest. Ford announced yesterday his intention to turn himself in. Since March, Ford has attempted to gather 1300 signatures to create a referendum on the red light camera program in Duncanville.
Duncanville, Texas mayor silences anti-camera councilman by having him arrested.
The mayor of Duncanville, Texas had a member of the city council arrested last Tuesday for speaking out against the use of red light cameras during an official meeting. The incident took place during the discussion of whether the city should spend $59,000 to make street repairs. Mayor David Green recognized Councilman Paul Ford to speak on the contract item.
"Thank you," Ford said. "I want to let you know that earlier this evening during briefing, Mayor Green threatened me that if he told me to stop talking and I didn't, he'd have me arrested, and I want to let you know what I told Mayor Green."
Green became outraged and shouted, "Mr Ford, you are out of order. You are not recognized Mr Ford. You need to cease right now."
While Green yelled, Ford continued his brief statement without stopping.
"Unlike those thousands of people who are getting red light camera tickets, I will have the opportunity for a jury trial. It will be a jury of my peers and I will confidently put my fate in their hands. And now I'm going to discuss agenda item number three. I will vote against it, and here's why."
Before he had a chance to explain that the city could find the money for those necessary street repairs by cutting the city manager's salary from $179,000 to $160,000 and reducing payments to local chambers of commerce by $40,000, Police Chief Robert Brown grabbed Ford. Ford repeated several times the statement: "Chief Brown, I will not leave voluntarily, but if you believe I am violating the law by discussing this agenda item, I will submit to arrest."
Brown did not respond. Mayor Green had the audio of the city council video tape turned off as Brown dragged the councilman out of the chamber. Ford ended up hospitalized from injuries sustained during the arrest.
Ford's comments referenced an earlier, private briefing of city council members where the mayor complained that Ford had attempted to "take control" of past meetings. To stop this, Green announced that he would instruct the city manager to remove any council member who disrupted a meeting. Over the past few council sessions, Ford raised the mayor's ire by insisting that the city code be amended to allow motorists the option of a jury trial when contesting red light camera citations and by his pointing out that only five percent of the 43,955 red light camera tickets issued in the city went to motorists accused of the straight-through violations most consider to be "red light running."
"I'm not the one who brought the red light camera scandal to Duncanville," Ford responded at the private meeting. "I'm the one who brought it to light, but I'm not the one who imposed it on us... I recognize that there probably is no city employee in this room who will stand up to you guys... Unlike those people who are getting red light camera citations, I will have an opportunity for a jury trial when you arrest me for whatever it is that you've discussed, whether it's disrupting a public meeting or disorderly conduct. I will have a jury trial, and it will be a jury of my peers, not yours. In other words, people who are not getting money from this city. And I will with conscience place my fate in their hands."
Mayor Green's expulsion of an elected member of the city council violated standard rules of procedure. Under Robert's Rules of Order, the binding code of conduct for most municipal organizations, Green would not have any authority to have Ford removed for making off-topic comments that lasted less than thirty seconds. The use of force to remove a member is considered an extreme measure and a last resort.
"Although the chair has no authority to impose a penalty or to order an offending member removed from the hall, the assembly has that power," the Rules state.
Under this set of procedures, a mayor would first have issued a warning to an unruly member and, if ignored, put the question of what to do about it to the entire city council. A majority vote would be required to have a sitting member removed from the chambers after that member is given an opportunity to speak in his own defense. Under Duncanville's city charter (2.15), only the full council can change the rules of procedure, not the mayor acting alone.
Ford has been released from the hospital but the mayor had a warrant issued for his arrest. Ford announced yesterday his intention to turn himself in. Since March, Ford has attempted to gather 1300 signatures to create a referendum on the red light camera program in Duncanville.
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#1. To: Artisan (#0) ping. TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-05-04 12:08:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #2. To: Horse (#0) Thank you. Passing it on. It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret. It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis. Click for Privacy and Preparedness files PSUSA posted on 2009-05-04 13:21:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #3. To: Horse (#0) Disgusting. "Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology farmfriend posted on 2009-05-04 14:34:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #4. To: farmfriend, Artisan (#3) Disgusting. I can predict with complete certainty that, based on his actions, the Mayor should be investigated for taking pay-offs from the company running the Red Light Cameras. If the worthy, and courageous, Councilman has the wherewithal he should hire a P.I. to research what the Mayor has been doing and taking. The Mayor is obviously fearful of the issue being brought up and wants to silence any inquiry into the matter. "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician Original_Intent posted on 2009-05-04 14:44:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #5. To: Original_Intent, twentytwelve, farmfriend (#4) Under Robert's Rules of Order, the binding code of conduct for most municipal organizations, Green would not have any authority to have Ford removed for making off-topic comments that lasted less than thirty seconds. The use of force to remove a member is considered an extreme measure and a last resort. I once met a local guy here in my county who was an old vietnam vet and who was into his city's business. he attended city council meetings and exposed their various corruption. They arrested him for disordely conduct and 'disrupting a public meeting'. amd he was convicted and spent over a YEAR in jail. It was an unbelievable and sad story. These people don't screw around. a lot of these local hacks are evil and power- starved to the core. this councilmen in this story may have different 'rights' than the general 'public', since he sits on the city council, but you can bet they will use their city minutia/rules to try and railroad him. i hope he is smart and does well. the only city council meeting i ever attended was the case in long beach CA a few years ago where the city wanted to bulldoze a church to build condos. i waited in line, stayed within my '3 allottted minutes' and mentioned several of the founders quotes on property rights as well as a former Pope's quotes on property rights and inherent God given rights etc. (seeing that it involved a church thought i'd throw that in, ha ha.) AFter i was done , a few city council women who were for the property seizure, disobeyed their own protocal and responded to my comments, insisting that they respect the constitution and rights, etc., LOL. they are not supposed to comment until everyone in line has spoken but i guess i hit a nerve. I would never, however, go over my three minutes or talk out of turn, etc. because they will F#@! you. they are truly evil and i mean that. If it were my property the city was trying to steal. though, that would be another story. i would not attend any of their bullsh!t 'meetings' about it. come what may. Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth."I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html Artisan posted on 2009-05-04 17:14:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #6. To: Horse, all, *California list* (#0) Red Light Camera Tickets Defeated In CaliforniaVarious ways motorists in California have defeated thousands of these scam tickets in court... Also.. HOW I BEAT A CELL PHONE TICKET IN CALIFORNIA Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth."I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html Artisan posted on 2009-05-04 17:20:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #7. To: Horse (#0) The two cops in the video are two of the many who will do *whatever* they are ordered to do (seizing guns, burning homes of "dissidents," and the like). winston_smith posted on 2009-05-04 19:10:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #8. To: Artisan, Original_Intent, twentytwelve, (#5) Sacramento is working on a "strong mayor" initiative right now. It would give our more power than any other in the nation. Guess the color of the gentleman if you will. I do not believe this is a good idea. "Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology farmfriend posted on 2009-05-04 20:19:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #9. To: Horse (#0) (Edited) The mayor of Duncanville, Texas had a member of the city council arrested last Tuesday for speaking out against the use of red light cameras during an official meeting. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition IndieTX posted on 2009-05-05 4:36:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #10. To: redpanther (#0) (Edited) Police Chief Robert Brown grabbed Ford and mayor Green had the audio turned off...... Law Enforcement Against Prohibition IndieTX posted on 2009-05-05 4:41:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
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TwentyTwelve posted on 2009-05-04 12:08:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Thank you. Passing it on.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
PSUSA posted on 2009-05-04 13:21:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Disgusting.
farmfriend posted on 2009-05-04 14:34:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Disgusting. I can predict with complete certainty that, based on his actions, the Mayor should be investigated for taking pay-offs from the company running the Red Light Cameras. If the worthy, and courageous, Councilman has the wherewithal he should hire a P.I. to research what the Mayor has been doing and taking. The Mayor is obviously fearful of the issue being brought up and wants to silence any inquiry into the matter.
I can predict with complete certainty that, based on his actions, the Mayor should be investigated for taking pay-offs from the company running the Red Light Cameras.
If the worthy, and courageous, Councilman has the wherewithal he should hire a P.I. to research what the Mayor has been doing and taking.
The Mayor is obviously fearful of the issue being brought up and wants to silence any inquiry into the matter.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Original_Intent posted on 2009-05-04 14:44:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Under Robert's Rules of Order, the binding code of conduct for most municipal organizations, Green would not have any authority to have Ford removed for making off-topic comments that lasted less than thirty seconds. The use of force to remove a member is considered an extreme measure and a last resort. I once met a local guy here in my county who was an old vietnam vet and who was into his city's business. he attended city council meetings and exposed their various corruption. They arrested him for disordely conduct and 'disrupting a public meeting'. amd he was convicted and spent over a YEAR in jail. It was an unbelievable and sad story. These people don't screw around. a lot of these local hacks are evil and power- starved to the core. this councilmen in this story may have different 'rights' than the general 'public', since he sits on the city council, but you can bet they will use their city minutia/rules to try and railroad him. i hope he is smart and does well. the only city council meeting i ever attended was the case in long beach CA a few years ago where the city wanted to bulldoze a church to build condos. i waited in line, stayed within my '3 allottted minutes' and mentioned several of the founders quotes on property rights as well as a former Pope's quotes on property rights and inherent God given rights etc. (seeing that it involved a church thought i'd throw that in, ha ha.) AFter i was done , a few city council women who were for the property seizure, disobeyed their own protocal and responded to my comments, insisting that they respect the constitution and rights, etc., LOL. they are not supposed to comment until everyone in line has spoken but i guess i hit a nerve. I would never, however, go over my three minutes or talk out of turn, etc. because they will F#@! you. they are truly evil and i mean that. If it were my property the city was trying to steal. though, that would be another story. i would not attend any of their bullsh!t 'meetings' about it. come what may.
Under Robert's Rules of Order, the binding code of conduct for most municipal organizations, Green would not have any authority to have Ford removed for making off-topic comments that lasted less than thirty seconds. The use of force to remove a member is considered an extreme measure and a last resort.
I once met a local guy here in my county who was an old vietnam vet and who was into his city's business. he attended city council meetings and exposed their various corruption. They arrested him for disordely conduct and 'disrupting a public meeting'. amd he was convicted and spent over a YEAR in jail. It was an unbelievable and sad story.
These people don't screw around. a lot of these local hacks are evil and power- starved to the core. this councilmen in this story may have different 'rights' than the general 'public', since he sits on the city council, but you can bet they will use their city minutia/rules to try and railroad him. i hope he is smart and does well.
the only city council meeting i ever attended was the case in long beach CA a few years ago where the city wanted to bulldoze a church to build condos. i waited in line, stayed within my '3 allottted minutes' and mentioned several of the founders quotes on property rights as well as a former Pope's quotes on property rights and inherent God given rights etc. (seeing that it involved a church thought i'd throw that in, ha ha.)
AFter i was done , a few city council women who were for the property seizure, disobeyed their own protocal and responded to my comments, insisting that they respect the constitution and rights, etc., LOL. they are not supposed to comment until everyone in line has spoken but i guess i hit a nerve. I would never, however, go over my three minutes or talk out of turn, etc. because they will F#@! you. they are truly evil and i mean that.
If it were my property the city was trying to steal. though, that would be another story. i would not attend any of their bullsh!t 'meetings' about it. come what may.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth."I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Artisan posted on 2009-05-04 17:14:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Red Light Camera Tickets Defeated In CaliforniaVarious ways motorists in California have defeated thousands of these scam tickets in court... Also.. HOW I BEAT A CELL PHONE TICKET IN CALIFORNIA
Also.. HOW I BEAT A CELL PHONE TICKET IN CALIFORNIA
Artisan posted on 2009-05-04 17:20:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
The two cops in the video are two of the many who will do *whatever* they are ordered to do (seizing guns, burning homes of "dissidents," and the like).
winston_smith posted on 2009-05-04 19:10:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Sacramento is working on a "strong mayor" initiative right now. It would give our more power than any other in the nation. Guess the color of the gentleman if you will. I do not believe this is a good idea.
farmfriend posted on 2009-05-04 20:19:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
The mayor of Duncanville, Texas had a member of the city council arrested last Tuesday for speaking out against the use of red light cameras during an official meeting.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
IndieTX posted on 2009-05-05 4:36:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Police Chief Robert Brown grabbed Ford and mayor Green had the audio turned off......
IndieTX posted on 2009-05-05 4:41:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply