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Title: Each illegal immigrant costs us £1m, says study as Government faces calls for amnesty
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Daily Mail (UK)
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... nment-faces-calls-amnesty.html
Published: May 4, 2009
Author: Daily Mail Reporter
Post Date: 2009-05-05 23:36:30 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 462
Comments: 49
An amnesty allowing illegal immigrants to stay in Britain would cost taxpayers £1million for each newcomer, a shocking new report revealed today. The massive sum reflects the costs of handouts and other state services provided over the lifetime of the average immigrant. The figure would also apply to many of those who have already been granted asylum in Britain, according to campaign group Migrationwatch which commissioned the study. Their revelation came as thousands of churchgoers, trade unionists and charity workers today prepared to rally in London in support of an ‘earned amnesty’ for 450,000 foreigners. The coalition argues that providing permanent residency for those long-term illegal immigrants who meet certain conditions – roughly half the total – would bring in more than £1billion of tax a year. But Migrationwatch warned that such an amnesty would overburden the public purse during a recession and only tempt more migrants into the country. ‘Our calculations show the numbers are truly enormous, adding an unacceptable – and entirely unnecessary - burden to the nation’s balance sheet,’ said the group’s chairman Sir Andrew Green. ‘It is clear that not only is rewarding illegal behaviour wrong in principle but the experience of Spain and Italy shows conclusively that it encourages even more illegal immigration in anticipation of future amnesties. ‘This is a ridiculous proposal which is bound to increase illegal immigration rather than reduce it. It is also a shocking waste of public money at a time when we can least afford it.’ To calculate the individual cost of each granting asylum, Migrationwatch researchers set the tax and National Insurance paid by immigrants against their demands on state funds. The research is based on a married 25-year-old, married with two children, who earned the minimum wage and lived in private rented housing, retired at 65 and lived until 80. ‘On the other hand some may have families of more than two children, thereby attracting more Child Benefit and Child Tax Credits. Campaigners gathering in support of granting asylum to illegal immigrants will be heartened by London Mayor Boris Johnson’s comments that providing amnesty would be ‘morally right’. Neil Jameson, co-ordinator of the campaign, said: ‘The current government strategy of imposing heavy fines and document checks on employers as well as deporting families is an inhumane, costly, and complicated way to tackle irregular migration. ‘We propose that those who have been here for four or more years should be admitted to a two-year pathway to full legal rights during which they work legally and demonstrate their contribution to UK economy and society. ‘Combined with the current border-tightening measures, our policy will reduce illegal immigration, and British society will be the winner.’ Poster Comment: Thereby setting a precedent by which Obama can point to when he proposes amnesty. It's a vicious end-game by the liberal white-guilters.
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#1. To: X-15 (#0)
Migrationwatch is taking the glass-is-half-empty perspective. The human individual is this planet's most valuable resource. Given adequate education, training and motivation each migrant could easily become a one million pound asset rather than a liability. Of course the latter option requires organizational ingenuity, particularly at the political leadership level which we've only seen in recorded history displayed by Hitler and his Nazi cohorts. Had America stayed out of WWII, allowing Germany to win, it's quite likely migration in search of work would be the least of problems for Britain or any other country since the administrative and organizational talents of the two nations would not only be applied domestically but in the "backward" countries that are even less organizationally savvy than the Clem Kaddidilehopper-run Britain.
Loss of sovereignty, heritage, and culture? Priceless.
When in doubt, doubt.
Hey Mike, I thought you said this didn't cost us anything of consequence? We're talking real money here. Kind of like the Californians and their free medical care for illegals.
B.S.
When in doubt, doubt.
So, you are saying 'we' in regards to a study on British immigration. Are you from there? I do feel amnesties are the right route to take, and this piece at best show some of the possible financial aspects of British immigration. Just out of curiosity, do only non Caucasian immigrants bother you? There are an awful lot of Irish immigrants here illegally, and I have noted people the most upset on this issue are like you; race and none Western Civilization based culture obsessed. None the less, I see nothing wrong with an amnesty there as well as here in the U.S. And I would want to see allot more information then this piece, I would also like to know if this study was impartial or produced to provide a spin for anti-immigration folks, not objectively arrived as conclusions.
In quantitative terms, I'm concerned about the cost of illegal aliens in general. In civil terms, I'm in favor of upholding our Constitutional law requiring the federal government to defend our borders; I'm for deporting people who are here illegally because they are breaking immigration law. Without law, there can be no republic. Without a republic, there is no democratic system, there is only legal anarchy. In racial and ethnic terms, I'm in favor of limiting non-white immigration such that our traditional ethnic balances are preserved or adjusted through the natural family structures of the existing peoples. I'm against using force of government policy to alter racial balances, as Norman Podhoretz, Jacob Javits, Leo Pfeffer, Charles Schurmer, and Elizabeth Holtzman successfully lobbied for during the mid-1960s. Left alone, the people would find their own balance. That I could live with. With the tyranny of government force involved, everything is changing at an incredibly rapid pace. In my view, this has had a lot to do with the emergence of our police state. I am against the redistribution of American wealth for the purpose of benefiting immigrants. It's a systematic form of oppression facing poor and middle class Americans daily. Hospitals are closing. Schools are overcrowded. Jobs are going to illegals. Spanish and other languages fill the air of our once English-only byways and thoroughfares. And now hate crimes laws are being placed on our books to suppress the resentment. It's all of those things.
very very well said.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Good post, and i agree with you that we should not have open border, but i disagree with you on this point: I have never minded what language strangers speak. & I don't know why any supporter of individual freedom would care what language someone speaks. it is their right to converse however they want. and the fact that someone speaks a language other than english is certainly not evidence that they are ''illegal''. (disclaimer: The fact that my wife is bilingual eng/spanish has no bearing on my opinion here, because i thought this way years before i met her.) for those who purport that murika has some special 'culture' which is 'shared by all'(?), that is worth cherishing, i would beg to differ. Look at the vast radical differences among white middle class murikans themselves, even here on this board for example, and you will have to concede that there is no mass 'shared culture'. america is full of baby-killing tyranny-loving arrogant decadent dumbed-down kooks. another thing is democracy. people should not use that term to describe us because we are not a democracy, and a great site which outlines the founders view is democracyisnotfreedom.com
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Priceless. If only people knew they had those things to lose. The majority of Americans have lost their sense of who they are.
I've heard that argument and I understand it. My point is more fundamental. It's not that I would want the government to enforce culture. But by bringing in so many aliens at once, we are diluting our former culture to the point that it can't sustain itself. We're creating a new culture by force. Nobody knows what the results of that will be. Government is being used as a tool to accomplish massive social change. This is happening intentionally. If you're concerned with the lies about the 9/11 attacks, and the emerging police state, and wars without justification, you should also be concerned with language change by force.. In fact, they go together, brought onto us by the same people, for the same reasons. The enemy is not the Mexican immigrant, just like the enemy wasn't Saddam Hussein, and isn't Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The enemy is that which deprives us of our individual liberty and our cultural underpinnings. This is an old story in Europe. The Romans started doing this to us more than two thousand years ago. They brought new languages, new religion, and dispersed new values across our lands. We know the story, we've just forgotten it. That which has deprived us of the knowledge of who we are is the enemy.
i do not think that abortion is so much a lack of value of racial/ cultural heritage, or even an american thing, simply because abortion is so widespread and commonplace worldwide. it is a moral failing. but i do see your point.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. If you loved your own heritage, how could you terminate its continuation?
true, but i think abortion is more about a shocking lack of moral conscience and consciousness in general. also a selfishness. since abortion goes on in mass all over the world, in most countries, i can not attribute it to americanism or lack of it.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. I seriously doubt that what you want to preserve here is merely "Americanism." Americanism is dead. It was never what we were told it was in the first place. There is something about the freedom of your own people that makes you come to life.
And this republic was built on the bodies of those of cultures that were trampled by it's formation. Plenty have been made from this theft and exploitation, be it the tons of gold looted and sent to Europe in 'the Age of Discovery,' or in the riches from stolen land. Such as that stolen in the Trail of Tears when the Cherokee, and other tribes were booted from their land by greedy European ethnic farmers even though they had assimilated successfully into our culture economically and socially. As far as I'm concerned, the Constitution borrowed heavily from that of the Iroquois Federation, and we are too greedy, selfish, ignorant and cruel about how we came to being a wealthy, powerful nation. I am in no way sympathetic to viewing one race or ethnic group as preferable then another in terms of setting immigration limits. I just don't care if the percentage of Caucasian peoples here falls. It completely underwhelms me in fact. In my view, in a century or two, we will have a diffusion of race and ethnic groups that will eliminate largely racial differences, and this is something I want very much to see. I am loyal to the human race, not Euro-centric Caucasian peoples.
Again, you have no empathy for people who do have a racial identity. You mask that off with your value for racial valuelessness. You can't force that on others without using tyranny. You can't argue that because racial oppression existed that racial identity should be neutralized or rendered impotent as a political force. This doesn't make sense. You're just repeating tired cliches.
Who invented nearly everything in the world. The muds invented nothing and destroy whatever they touch.
I have great empathy for such peoples. But I know that in what Marshall McLuhan called 'the increasingly shrinking global village,' race will blur in an ever increasing degree in the decades ahead. I would have loved to destroy Columbus' nasty rag tag little flotilla and kept this hemisphere free of invasion for a couple of hundred years longer then it was to allow cultures here breathing room that would of helped preserve them from total annihilation. But, one cannot put toothpaste back in the tube, yes? We will adapt and change as a nation in the next few centuries, and I just don't care about your desire to try to stall the natural process of racial diffusion. I am very happy with things the way they are now, and I don't view the current wave of immigration to be any worse then all the others before it. All of them had their tidings of doom and gloom predicted to result from them. And that didn't happen then, and it won't happen now.
That's one way of looking at it, but it's not mine.
We did do allot, but people like the Chinese are noted for being very inovative and inventive. And in a way and at a level that should cause an Euro centric shelled game some deep envy.
In other words, you personally are racially neutral, and you expect others to be as well. As I'm growing tired of explaining to you, you can't have it both ways. You can't say that you empathize with people who have a racial identity and them denigrate whites for the same. And you can't suppress racial identity in others without force. You claim not to want government interference, but when it comes to issues of race, you would use the government to impose your values. I don't think you're really willing to discuss this, because you keep avoiding it.
Neither have I. I've lived and worked on three continents, and I am comfortable with different languages around me. It is important to realize though, that not everyone else is. More importantly and aside from the ambient non-native background patter you may hear in a restaurant, are the languages in which we do business and interact with officialdom. If you spend time in Canada or Belgium you get a taste for the burdens this puts on individuals and the resulting group tensions that created in society. If 25 million are amnestied today, it won't be the last time, and that is precisely the goal of those that seek amnesty. The sheer weight of so many Spanish speakers will inevitably lead to communal tensions. And because English and Spanish won't generally be dominant in respective geographic enclaves as they are in Canada and Belgium the situation is likely to be even more explosive. We are sliding headlong into what is perhaps a protracted and deep recession. Let's consider what we are doing here. The question of importance here is not some vague issue of "culture" here, but a very real and concrete issue of language. A society can take just so much stress before it cracks. We should look at the experience that other countries have had with multlilingualism and also look at our experience with the Spanish speaking population that lives among us. They have shown themselves much less amenable to adapting themselves to the common language than immigrant groups that preceded them. In closing let me say that the attitude of many of them is that they don't give a damn about our laws. I find that intolerable.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. All of Detroit looks like this. Do you know why?
there was a crooked man...
Urban blight.
Do you know why? Yeah, man! Whitey be keepin' da bruthaz down! Kill whitey!
Absence of European-Americans to keep civilization maintained.
_________________________________________________________________________ I absolutely and profoundly find nothing about our culture to be in jeopardy. I see your argument as one for a culture where we are the dominant culture and that our culture is in no danger of being rubbed out. I see you as confusing cultural pride and identity with a desire to see it be the backbone culture where nothing else threatens it's supremacy. Now, if I seem distracted, I am. My new squeeze has a four and a half (very very Caucasian) boy and he is driving me nuts and I have to get him to bed, which is no easy chore. Be back later this evening. I figured you would cop a rush knowing that I am indeed in the hands of a skilled master of torture.
"I don't have a problem, so you don't have a problem." Is this a conversation? It looks like a broken record to me.
Tell me more about these "civilized" Judeo-Americans?
Bingo! Some, of course, will bitterly deny that to their dying day.
You, of course, live in the advanced civilizations of Africa, including the ones in the U.S. like Detroit and East St. Louis. That is because you are the counter culture.
Such as that stolen in the Trail of Tears when the Cherokee, and other tribes were booted from their land by greedy European ethnic farmers even though they had assimilated successfully into our culture economically and socially. As far as I'm concerned, the Constitution borrowed heavily from that of the Iroquois Federation, and we are too greedy, selfish, ignorant and cruel about how we came to being a wealthy, powerful nation. You sound like you hate our country and its history. Shame on you Tie dyed.
Counter culture = Bizarro World, where the wheels are square and the brains are completely deluded.
Now your making sense wonder turtle.
Kill whitey! Daz rite! Everting be da whi' man's fault! Forget the Aztecs and their ghastly human sacrifice, forget the fact the Indians spent their time bashing opponent's babies' brains out on rocks, and tortured them to death over a period of three days, or the cannibalism in Africa...nope, none of that matters!
We paint the trim on our houses, mow the yard, keep our cars from leaking so that we don't have an oil slick on our driveway, we take pride in maintaining our firearms/tools/motorized accessories, we built airplanes, customize cars, make period-correct equipment for Civil War re-enactments.
_________________________________________________________________________ Slaves, you excepted, who don't even yearn to be free while ridiculing others for stooping low. How many digital TVs are buzzing instructions out to these mass culture whites tonight, informing them just how they should think and feel about the Zio-economic banking crisis, about the thermonuclear anti-Zio threat, and their nemesis, the anti-Zio extremists lurking out there, somewhere in the dark? Hold yo haid high, whitey.
I claim no connection to the masses who listen to the siren-song of false gods and practices, even though there are numerous folk who reject the lies and know the truth. It will lead America down the same road as Rhodesia and South Africa. _________________________________________________________________________ But it's not a conspiracy! ;)
When in doubt, doubt.
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#2. To: X-15 (#0)
#3. To: Ferret Mike, Prefrontal Vortex (#2)
#4. To: Tatarewicz (#1)
The human individual is this planet's most valuable resource. Given adequate education, training and motivation each migrant could easily become a one million pound asset rather than a liability
#5. To: Deasy (#3)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
#7. To: Deasy (#6)
#8. To: Deasy (#6)
Spanish and other languages fill the air of our once English-only byways and thoroughfares
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#9. To: Prefrontal Vortex, christine (#2)
Loss of sovereignty, heritage, and culture?
#10. To: Artisan, christine (#8)
I have never minded what language strangers speak. & I don't know why any supporter of individual freedom would care what language someone speaks.
america is full of baby-killing tyranny-loving arrogant decadent dumbed-down kooks.
Americans can abort their babies because they do not value themselves. They do not value their racial and cultural heritage which goes back more than 3,000 years.
#11. To: Deasy (#10)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#12. To: Artisan (#11)
#13. To: Deasy (#12)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#14. To: Artisan (#13)
#15. To: Deasy (#6)
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
I am loyal to the human race, not Euro-centric Caucasian peoples.
#17. To: Deasy (#16)
Euro-centric Caucasian peoples.
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs
...that's Turtle Island.
#18. To: Deasy (#16)
#19. To: Turtle (#17)
#20. To: Turtle (#17)
Chinese inventions and technology and the history of Chinese inventors
#21. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
I am loyal to the human race, not Euro-centric Caucasian peoples.
#22. To: Artisan (#8)
I have never minded what language strangers speak.
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#23. To: Deasy (#19)
hat's one way of looking at it, but it's not mine.
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.
#24. To: Turtle (#23)
Do you know why?
"Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life." — Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT Professor of Meteorology
#25. To: Turtle (#23)
Do you know why?
#26. To: Turtle (#23)
All of Detroit looks like this.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#27. To: Turtle (#23)
Do you know why?
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#28. To: Deasy (#21)
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
#30. To: X-15 (#27)
Absence of European-Americans to keep civilization maintained.
#31. To: X-15 (#27)
Absence of European-Americans to keep civilization maintained.
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.
#32. To: Deasy (#30)
(Edited)
Tell me more about these "civilized" Judeo-Americans?
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
I absolutely and profoundly find nothing about our culture to be in jeopardy.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
And this republic was built on the bodies of those of cultures that were trampled by it's formation. Plenty have been made from this theft and exploitation, be it the tons of gold looted and sent to Europe in 'the Age of Discovery,' or in the riches from stolen land.
#35. To: Old Friend (#33)
That is because you are the counter culture.
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.
#36. To: Turtle (#35)
Counter culture = Bizarro World, where the wheels are square and the brains are completely deluded.
#37. To: Esso (#26)
Yeah, man! Whitey be keepin' da bruthaz down!
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.
#38. To: Deasy (#30)
Tell me more about these "civilized" Judeo-Americans?
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#39. To: X-15 (#38)
#40. To: Deasy (#39)
(Edited)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#41. To: Turtle (#17)
Who invented nearly everything in the world. The muds invented nothing and destroy whatever they touch.
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