(CNN)Last week, Minneapolis officials confirmed they were considering a fairly rare course of action: disbanding the city police department. It's not the first locale to break up a department, but no cities as populous have ever attempted it. Minneapolis City Council members haven't specified what or who will replace it if the department disbands.
Camden, New Jersey, may be the closest thing to a case study they can get.
The city, home to a population about 17% of Minneapolis' size, dissolved its police department in 2012 and replaced it with an entirely new one after corruption rendered the existing agency unfixable.
Before its police reforms, Camden was routinely named one of the most violent cities in the US.
Now, seven years after the old department was booted (though around 100 officers were rehired), the city's crime has dropped by close to half. Officers host outdoor parties for residents and knock on doors to introduce themselves. It's a radically different Camden than it was even a decade ago. Here's how they did it.
Why departments dissolve police
A city's decision to dissolve its police department is often a matter of money -- and the cities that chose to do so are often quite small. Camden comes closest to Minneapolis in its size and history of misconduct.
Earlier this year, the village of Deposit, New York, dissolved its department because it cost $200,000 per year. Now, a single sheriff's deputy is assigned to the village, CNN affiliate WICZ reported. Garden City, Missouri, laid off all of its officers and suspended its police chief because, as its mayor said in 2018, the city couldn't afford to keep them employed.
In a bizarre move, Rio Vista police leadership abruptly left the department, and half of the remaining officers left for other jobs, so the California city's department could no longer go on, CNN affiliate KCRA reported in January.
Camden dissolved its police department to root out corruption.
The city's crime rate was among the worst in the US. Within nine square miles and among nearly 75,000 residents, there were over 170 open-air drug markets reported in 2013, county officials told CNN. Violent crime abounded. Police corruption was at the core.
Lawsuits filed against the department uncovered that officers routinely planted evidence on suspects, fabricated reports and committed perjury. After the corruption was exposed, courts overturned the convictions of 88 people, the ACLU reported in 2013.
So in 2012, officials voted to completely disband the department -- it was beyond reform.
And in 2013, the Camden County Police Department officially began its tenure. No other city of Camden's size has done anything quite like it. How the new Camden police changed its approach
City officials had two objectives in remaking Camden's police: reduce crippling violent crime and make residents feel safer.
Louis Cappelli, Camden County freeholder director (another term for a county-level public official), said the department still has a ways to go, but its efforts over the last seven years have been largely successful.
"Back then residents of Camden city absolutely feared the police department and members of the department," he told CNN. "They (the residents) wanted that to change."
Violent crimes have dropped 42% in seven years, according to city crime data provided by the department. The crime rate has dropped from 79 per 1,000 to 44 per 1,000, the data shows.
Cappelli credits the improvement to new "community-oriented policing," which prizes partnership and problem-solving over violence and punishment.
It starts from an officer's first day: When a new recruit joins the force, they're required to knock on the doors of homes in the neighborhood they're assigned to patrol, he said. They introduce themselves and ask neighbors what needs improving.
Training emphasizes deescalation, he said, and the department's use of force policy makes clear that deadly force is the last option.
Now, police host pop-up barbecues and pull up in Mister Softee trucks to get to know residents, Cappelli said. They host drive-in movie nights -- recently, the movie of choice was "The Lion King" -- along what used to be known as the city's "Heroin Highway."
The community-first initiative has made improving diversity within the force a priority, too. Whites are the minority in Camden, so Cappelli said the new department has hired more black and brown officers to serve black and brown residents. (Cappelli didn't have exact numbers for the increase, but said it's improved.)
Cappelli said the new department also hired over 100 officers who previously served the dissolved Camden Police Department. They joined the department, which now employs over 400.
"We want to make sure residents of the city know these streets are theirs," he said. "They need to claim these streets as their own, not let drug dealers and criminals claim them."
What Minneapolis can learn from criticism of Camden
Camden and Minneapolis aren't perfect mirrors. The Midwestern metropolis is predominantly white -- 63% of the population -- and less than 19% black. In Camden, less than a quarter of all residents are white, but 42% of the population is black and over 50% is Latino.
Camden also has about 356,000 fewer residents.
The criticisms lodged at Camden, though, may inform how Minneapolis goes about its restructuring.
Ojii BaBa Madi, a lifelong resident of Camden and Justice Minister at Asbury Community Church, said he's felt no improvement in his relationship with police because many of the new officers don't live in Camden or know the community well.
Additionally, the department's racial makeup isn't entirely reflective of the city it serves, he told CNN in an email.
"The demographics of the city do not reflect these demographics," he said. "With a white chief, as thoughtful and progressive as he is, and only one African American captain out of seven, both the dynamics and optics of race are a problem."
What has improved, he said, is officers' willingness to have a "productive dialogue" between police and community leaders like him. And the city "does feel much safer at the neighborhood level" since police started shuttering open-air drug markets.
As for abolishing police entirely, Ojii said the city is "far away from any practical de-policed reality" partly because of the crime that still exists there.
"I would prefer to nail some best practices for policing as it should be," he said, as the city -- and society -- figures out how to change law enforcement as it exists now.
Nyeema Watson, also a lifelong Camden resident who's the associate chancellor for civic engagement at Rutgers University -- Camden, said she thinks the restructuring has had a largely positive impact. Officers are more visible now, and they're building trust and welcoming feedback. Camden County Police Chief Joseph Wysocki marched with Camden residents in a "Black Lives Matter" protest in May. Hearing him acknowledge the "rightful pain, anger and frustration" black residents feel about police brutality was powerful, Watson said.
Watson and Ojii agreed the city's problems remain unsolved. Those require more work than a shift in law enforcement alone can provide. "We can't police our way out of social issues, unemployment, disproportionate health issues, economic challenges -- these are things that drive crime," Watson said.
When the city improves access to education for its residents, they'll better understand systemic racism within law enforcement and how to dismantle it, she said.
"There are so many issues in our city, outside of policing, that promote a constant level of tension," Ojii said, naming gentrification, poverty and addiction among them. "In essence, Camden remains a tale of two cities."
#1: Dakmar To: Ada (#0)
The 2010 United States Census counted 77,344 people
Violent crimes have dropped 42% in seven years, according to city crime data provided by the department. The crime rate has dropped from 79 per 1,000 to 44 per 1,000, the data shows.
Sure, they stopped counting anything less than three stab wounds as a crime.
Dakmar posted on 2020-06-09 18:28:34 Reply Private Reply
#2: BTP Holdings To: Ada (#0)
In Chicago, P.D. corruption was so rampant that James R. Thompson, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois launched a major corruption probe which cleaned up most of that corruption.
Thompson was rewarded with four terms as Governor of Illinois. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-06-09 18:28:56 Reply Private Reply
#3: Dakmar To: BTP Holdings (#2)
Dakmar posted on 2020-06-09 18:31:32 Reply Private Reply
#4: Ada To: Dakmar (#1)
always a possibility
Ada posted on 2020-06-09 18:52:06 Reply Private Reply
#5: Dakmar To: Ada (#4)
The real crime rate only increased (with minor fluctuations), but since there are still independent municipalities within the county (most notably, Lawrence, murder capital of Indiana), those stats are kept separate from Indpls/Marion Co. I have to wonder if Camden is pulling the same scam.
I don't trust CNN (top thread) or USA Today (Courrierpostonline)
Dakmar posted on 2020-06-09 19:12:26 Reply Private Reply
#6: Horse To: Ada, Dakmar (#4)
I saw a documentary on homicide in LA a decade ago. The white middle aged female coroner was talking to a black detective, She joked,"Looks like natural causes to me."
The black detective said, "This was a murder."
She said, "I know. In LA we get so many gunshot victims we call them LA naturals."
Horse posted on 2020-06-09 19:28:46 Reply Private Reply
#7: Cynicom To: Ada, All (#0)
What horseshit ADA, shame on you.
Anyone that has ever been in Deposit knows why police not needed...
"""Deposit NY...The population of Deposit, NY is 87.6% White Alone, 5.48% Hispanic or Latino, and 3.07% Two or More Races."""
Read that Ada. Deposit is a wide place in the road, populated by people that obey their own laws.
I live in bigger town 99 per cent white, no police, no crime. Nearest cop is state police 20 miles away.
New York City is less than 30 per cent white, 45,000 cops. Do the math, plus check the race ratio.
Cynicom posted on 2020-06-09 19:29:46 Reply Private Reply
#8: noone222 To: Dakmar (#5)
I grew up on the near east side of Indianapolis and I remember Mayors Lugar and Hudnut. I also knew several cops that were straight up criminals. One was Max Brittin, head of vice. I also grew up with a guy that became the Marion County Sheriff and got booted for being a criminal, his name was Gene Honeycutt.
Indianapolis had lots of bad cops. There was one that went by "Pinky" and he'd take kids to houses where the residents were on vacation and have them rob the house and load his cop car with the loot.
My neighborhood didn't enjoy any white privilege.
noone222 posted on 2020-06-09 19:57:10 Reply Private Reply
#9: Dakmar To: noone222 (#8)
Dakmar posted on 2020-06-09 20:12:26 Reply Private Reply
#10: Ada To: Cynicom (#7)
Of course. Most small towns in NYS do not have police departments but are covered by the state police.
2018 American Community Survey Race and ethnicity makeup of NYC
White 42.7%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 29.1%
Black or African American 24.3% Asian 13.9% American Indian 0.4% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 0.1% Other races
Note that 42.7% white. Of course what NYC counts as white, you might not. Specifically, Arabs.
Ada posted on 2020-06-09 20:31:37 Reply Private Reply
#11: Ada To: Horse (#6)
Ada posted on 2020-06-09 20:33:51 Reply Private Reply
#12: Dakmar To: Ada (#11)
Dakmar posted on 2020-06-09 20:36:23 Reply Private Reply
#13: BTP Holdings To: Dakmar (#3)
If I do not get your attention quickly, my next action will leave you soaking up the saw dust on the floor.
I got into quite a few fights when I was younger working concerts. I came out on top 99% of the time. No one is perfect. I got hurt a couple of times but that went with the territory. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-06-09 20:50:35 Reply Private Reply
#14: IRTorqued To: Dakmar (#1)
maybe even gun shots from a gun that would not work and ruled it suicide, so hillary is free and clear thanks to donnal.
IRTorqued posted on 2020-06-09 20:52:42 Reply Private Reply
#15: noone222 To: Dakmar (#9)
I worked for a guy that had a printing company and his friend lived in the Summit House Apartments @ 38th & Meridian top floor penthouse suite. He had a Rolls and a Bentley in the underground garage. He had a picture of himself with Sharon Tate on his piano. I think he had something to do with the oil business, not certain.
My boss had 2 Rolls Royce's too and I had to wipe them down every couple of days with an oil cloth.
noone222 posted on 2020-06-09 20:55:07 Reply Private Reply
#16: IRTorqued To: BTP Holdings, Dakmar (#13)
and an ass-pot of cut and paste.
IRTorqued posted on 2020-06-09 20:56:07 Reply Private Reply
#17: BTP Holdings To: Dakmar (#9)
In the movie Heartbreak Ridge:
Judge Zane: Thank you for your testimony, Officer Reese. Sergeant Highway, drunk and disorderly. Fighting in a public establishment. Urinating on a police vehicle?
Highway: Well, it seemed like the thing to do, sir.
Judge Zane: Just because there's no war going on does not give you the right to start one every time you get drunk. Now I'm taking into account your excellent military record and your commitment to the security of this great nation. But this is your last chance. One hundred dollar fine. Next!
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-06-09 20:58:18 Reply Private Reply
#18: Dakmar To: noone222 (#15)
Dakmar posted on 2020-06-09 21:04:03 Reply Private Reply
#19: noone222 To: Dakmar (#18)
noone222 posted on 2020-06-09 21:14:57 Reply Private Reply
#20: Cynicom To: Ada (#10)
Cynicom posted on 2020-06-09 21:23:06 Reply Private Reply
#21: Dakmar To: noone222 (#19)
The highest concentration of liquor stores, auto-salvage yards, evangelical churches, and hair salons in the state. :)
Dakmar posted on 2020-06-09 21:40:30 Reply Private Reply
#22: Horse To: Ada (#10)
Horse posted on 2020-06-09 23:05:16 Reply Private Reply
#23: NeoconsNailed To: Ada (#0)
Yep -- we're in Camden ;)
Glad to hear something 'works' there now. And it's fine with me if police have to be color-coded with an area's residents. By all means, sic black cops on black locals and deliver whites from 'niggaz with attitude' in this dept. (That's the name of a 'hiphop' band.)
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-06-09 23:24:35 Reply Private Reply
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NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-06-09 23:29:16 Reply Private Reply
#25: Cynicom To: Horse (#22)
Exactly.
Medicine is a Jew controlled operation. Granddaughter lives with me, is a nurse. Her husband cannot get into med school "because his MCAT is not high enough to warrant an interview". Not even an interview. He worked and put himself thru pre med. Finished owing nothing. Jews never toiled one day, got numerous interviews.
Jews "network". That is a verb.
Cynicom posted on 2020-06-10 03:05:00 Reply Private Reply
#26: Ada To: Cynicom (#20)
They only take them every 10 years. Since then black population has droped.
Ada posted on 2020-06-10 08:08:58 Reply Private Reply
#27: Cynicom To: Ada (#26)
Blacks moved to Florida, procreate less???
Whites moving here in hills, no blacks??? How come?
Cynicom posted on 2020-06-10 10:19:29 Reply Private Reply
#28: Lod To: Cynicom (#25)
Good luck with it.
Lod posted on 2020-06-10 10:36:42 Reply Private Reply
#29: BTP Holdings To: Lod (#28)
Our Valedictorian in H.S. in Chicago became a doctor here. He opened up some kind of practice in Minnesota west of Twin Cities. I heard he is doing well. Not so sure that he attended the last reunion, but I wasn't there either. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-06-10 13:46:09 Reply Private Reply