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Title: Raw Video: George Zimmerman reenacts incident for Sanford Police
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c&feature=player_embedded
Published: Jun 30, 2013
Author: staff
Post Date: 2013-06-30 04:11:54 by Horse
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#1. To: Horse, All (#0) (Edited)

1. Raw Video: George Zimmerman reenacts incident for Sanford Police - YouTube - 15 minutes

Published on Jun 21, 2012 by weshtv

Description: Defense attorneys release a video of George Zimmerman reenacting the fatal fight with Trayvon Martin.

2. Witness Says Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman - YouTube - 2.5 minutes

Published on Mar 24, 2012 by GooberTheUncouth

From the Description: Zimmerman can be heard screaming for help as the Witness called 911. [My Note: only one voice heard on those calls]

3. Journalists Threatened By Sanford Police.wmv - YouTube - 2.25 minutes

Published on Mar 30, 2012 by Gordon Duff

No description available.

4. Zimmerman v. Trayvon - Proof Martin Went Home, Then Back Out To Get George - YouTube - 2.75 minutes

Published on May 25, 2013 by Michael Mortimer

From the Description: Did Martin actually go home ... Look at these two news clips. On February 27, 2012, a few hours after the shooting, Brandy Green seems to be saying to the Fox News reporter that Trayvon was sitting on the porch ... in the video see that when she describes what happened and that he was sitting on her porch, she is at the "T" near where the shooting occurred, and pointing toward her residence and porch. ... So the question I have, when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon Martin, was that because Trayvon Martin ran back to Brandy Green's house ... [More]

5. WHAT THE DEFENSE DID NOT WANT THE JURY TO HEAR !!! - PART 2 - YouTube

Published on Jul 25, 2012 by Phil Owens [Language warning]

From the Description: A worried Zimmerman, who possible believes that the detectives are on his side, admits that the excruciating screams did not sound like him. ... His star witness John says he only heard three short yells.

6. George Zimmerman Trial Juror #b37 Does Interview With Her Identity Concealed - YouTube - 37 minutes

Published on Jul 15, 2013 by MOXNEWSd0tC0M

My Note: B37 indicates that the Jurors believed Zimmerman shot Martin because he believed he was in fear for his life but his own reenactment statements are contradictory and implausible. She claims at the 5:00 minute mark that the Lauer 9/11 call was significant because it went through before the struggle, during the struggle, the gunshot and then after... a 9/11 call by Lauer before the struggle? CNN Pics of Zimmerman show bleeding not seen in police film at video #3.

7. See simulation of Zimmerman-Martin fight - YouTube - 2.5 minutes

Published on Jul 9, 2013 by CNN

Description: Judge Debra Nelson is deciding whether jurors will see a computer animation of the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin fight.

This video shows a simulated reconstruction for court presentation that depicts Martin using his left arm to hit Zimmerman on the right side of the face. More importantly, it seems to be evidence that a struggle at the T-corner was not witnessed and (unless this is a PsyOp, which is likely) Martin was shot (or is thought to have been shot) directly across from his home or nearly so. In Zimmerman's reenactment video at #1 [10:30 mark], he raises his left arm to the left side of his face and claims that, rather than falling backwards to the ground after being struck, the fight moved forward -- not towards his vehicle but into the complex towards Martin's residence. There are major problems with his own statements in the reenactment video, such as: Why he didn't know the names of the streets, even for the clubhouse, when he supposedly lived in the area since 2007 and had been in charge of patrolling it since September 2011. Also, why his clothing in the police videos looked clean and dry; [since it had been raining -- was pouring down rain, according to Juror B37 at 9:19 of video #6]. He claims that Martin was moving for his gun and that's when he shot him but didn't know he had shot him, then proceeded to restrain him face down on the ground and, oddly, asked a guy with a flashlight for help to restrain someone who probably wouldn't have been moving at all by then. He did not ask the man to call for an ambulance or if he could help with First Aid/CPR. He told the man not to call the police because he'd already done that but the man would not have known for sure if he actually had done that or if he was assaulting Martin.

According to Zimmerman himself, this is not a "Stand Your Ground" case (in the sense that it's widely believed to be) but more like an alleged accidental shooting with negligence on his part to do anything to help or get help for someone who had not demonstrably used a weapon against him and, strangely, he tried instead to prevent a call to the police for help. It seems somewhat similar, imo, to the incident of a White victim being left to die in the street by Black attackers but not quite at that level, since this is reportedly a one-on-one struggle, Martin wasn't in the street and Zimmerman didn't leave the scene before the police arrived. Neither Martin or Zimmerman have impeccable histories (and probably very few people do) but that is a distraction from the evidence of the case at the point of confrontation. My impression, if this really happened, is not that there was no case that could have been properly charged for any conviction in this matter, if investigated thoroughly, but that it was maybe overcharged and/or deliberately thrown to agitate racial tensions, as it has. I think a closer look at the evidence above could bring about more balanced perspectives on how America has been baited into a worsened state of racial turmoil from this issue.

Edited for video numbering, punctuation and capitalization + sentence 2 of last paragraph and the next to last sentence there + last 2 sentences of the paragraph above it and bracketed inserts there.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-28   5:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1) (Edited)

Five 4um Topics referenced for Post #1 above:

1. Zimmerman’s Weapon Illegal Due to Domestic Violence Restraining Order - videos; Ex-fiancee's 2005 Restraining Order wasn't still in effect

2. You'll Feel Differently About George Zimmerman And The Trayvon Martin Shooting After You Read This: Zimmerman married his wife, Shellie, in 2007. They rented a house in Twin Lakes [2009 - Wikipedia]. Twin Lakes is about 50% white, 20% Hispanic, and 20% black. ... In September [2011 - 5 months before the shooting], several concerned residents of the neighborhood, including Zimmerman, asked the neighborhood association to create a neighborhood watch. Zimmerman was asked to run it.

3. Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman - John Good: "The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop" [yelling?] "and I was calling 911," he said ... "When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

4. Jurors hear F-bomb, knock-knock joke as George Zimmerman murder trial begins - "Tragically there was nothing that could be done," [Defense Attorney, Don] West said, referring to Martin's condition after he was shot. [Speculative]

5. George Zimmerman Trial Juror #b37 Does Interview With Her Identity Concealed - video

Edited to expand excerpts at first 2 links and add Wikipedia reference at #2.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-28   9:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#1) (Edited)

4. Zimmerman v. Trayvon - Proof Martin Went Home, Then Back Out To Get George - YouTube - 2.75 minutes

Published on May 25, 2013 by Michael Mortimer

From the Description: Did Martin actually go home ... Look at these two news clips. On February 27, 2012, a few hours after the shooting, Brandy Green seems to be saying to the Fox News reporter that Trayvon was sitting on the porch ... in the video see that when she describes what happened and that he was sitting on her porch, she is at the "T" near where the shooting occurred, and pointing toward her residence and porch. ... So the question I have, when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon Martin, was that because Trayvon Martin ran back to Brandy Green's house ... [More]

Continued from the Description section:

in the video see that when she [Brandy Green] describes what happened and that he [Trayvon] was sitting on her porch, she is at the "T" near where the shooting occurred, and pointing toward her residence and porch.

Seems implausible that she knew he was sitting on the porch but didn't try to tell him to come inside or even check to see what all the hollering by Zimmerman was about or the gunshot sound either or all the emergency responder doings thereafter. Since the porch is roofed, it is plausible that Trayvon would be sitting outside, even though it was raining -- depending on how cold it was in Florida then, the direction of the rain and if he was drenched from walking home.

A few weeks later Tracy Martin is giving an interview. As he is walking with the reporter through the area where everything took place he says: "I knew he (Trayvon) was going to the back of the house, he's sittin out there."

So the question I have, when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon Martin, was that because Trayvon Martin ran back to Brandy Green's ... This seems possible because both Tracy Martin and Green mention Trayvon Martin sitting on the porch. What did they mean by that?

Also noteworthy, I have never believed that Tracy Martin came home that night and just assumed Trayvon was at the movies. For one thing, Tracy Martin says he arrived home about 10:30 pm. There were only two entries to the complex. It is not believeable that when he came home that he would not notice the cluster of emergency vehicles that were on scene.

It is also not believable that [Brandy's son] Chad would not notice all the commotion, and/or tell Tracy Martin that he did not know where Trayvon was, that he went to the store to get him some Skittles, and has not come back from when he left four hours earlier. ... Also note that this video shows Tracy Martin lying about his actions that night. Jerome Horton (Tracy Martin's high school coach) told CNN that Trayvon Martin called his dad and BEGGED to be able to go to the store to get some snacks. (Trayvon Martin had to beg because Horten said Trayvon was grounded, due to his suspension from school, and he was NOT allowed to go out.)

Seems the answer on the requested permission to go to the store would have been "No" if it was known to be raining. And, since it was rainy that evening, it would not be unusual if he was running to get out of the rain or home before it rained much when Zimmerman reported him to the dispatcher as suspicious for doing that. Seems odd that Zimmerman didn't give that possibility more consideration. Reference: Wikipedia.

Note in this interview the reporter asks Tracy Martin when was the last time he talked to Trayvon. Tracy Martin said it was when he asked him if he had enough money for pizza. He did not mention the supposed phone call on Sunday night, the one that Jerome Horten referred to.

Also strange is that Zimmerman claimed in his reenactment video to be on his way back to his vehicle after not seeing anyone in the area when Trayvon, who could have observed from the porch that he was not being pursued -- that Zimmerman was beyond his housing row and leaving -- suddenly came at him as if he was totally oblivious to the community being Watch Patrolled, which is very doubtful. He had recently moved there, according to the above linked video interview of his father's fiancee, Brandy Green, but was not a complete stranger who'd never visited that neighborhood before. Doubtful, as well, that he would call his dad about going to the store, talk to him on the phone about pizza but not call and tell him that some stalker [Zimmerman] seemed to be roaming around the place menacingly and zeroing in on him.

Edited next to last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-28   14:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#2) (Edited)

This article info posted at #95 of another 4um topic is the only source that I can find for Trayvon Martin that says when he got sent to live in Florida, although Wikipedia reports that he'd visited there several times, so it probably wasn't unknown to him that the area had Neighborhood Watch Patrols:

Op-Ed: Was Trayvon Martin a Gangsta?

By John Dewar Gleissner
Jul 21, 2013 in Crime

We do not know if Trayvon Martin was in a gang, but he had tattoos. Immediately before his death, Trayvon Martin’s mother kicked him out of her house and made him go live with his father. Neither parent was sure where he was the night of the shooting, nor did they file any missing person reports. They found out the next day. [My note: Wikipedia says that "Martin's father, Tracy Martin, called to file a Missing Persons report early on February 27 and police officers arrived at his fiancée's condo with photographs of his dead son about 9:20 am." Somehow the ruckus, gunshot, police arrivals from the emergency calls -- likely with sirens blaring -- and transport of Trayvon all went unnoticed in their nearby vicinity and no neighbors contacted them about it either?]

This additional info is from Post #95, not that article site:

On Nov. 22, the day after the MMA-style fight, Martin told a friend that his mother “just kicked me out” and that he had to move in with his father.

On Dec. 21, 2011, Martin told a friend, “dam I just got in trouble 4 sum sh** I aint even do.” His mother, Sybrina Fulton, was dismayed. “Pack up your clothes now,” she texted him.

On Jan. 6, 2012, Martin got into trouble at school again. When asked why, he told a friend, “Caus I was watcn a fight nd a teacher say I hit em.” S aid the friend, “Idk how u be getting in trouble an sh**.” By this time, Martin’s mother had thrown him out of the house for “fightn,” and he had moved in with his aunt and uncle.

On Feb. 21, five days before the shooting, [My note: Trayvon] took the bus for Orlando to stay with his father’s girlfriend, Brandy Green.

Edited to correct Post # references.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-28   14:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#1)

PsyOp

how America has been baited into a worsened state of racial turmoil from this issue.

Miscellaneous notable spookish-type stuff:

While looking for 911 Call videos on this subject, I found one by UJLA/Underground Justice League Alliance. Hadn't heard of that before so I looked it up. They have vids with lots of Batman imagery.

Cross-referencing 4um Title: Trayvon Martin’s Dad Is A ‘Grand Master’ Freemason - video

Sr. Martin is a Prince Hall "Mason

Cross-referencing Post #365 at another thread:

The names Martin and Zimmerman are listed as contributors on two of the bottom 3 lines of a Masonic capstone dedication for a timecapsule at Denver International Airport.

New World Airport Commission
Contributors
Martin...
Fentress...
Zimmerman...

Fentress Architects is an international design firm known for iconic large-scale public architecture such as airports, museums, university buildings, convention centers, laboratories, and high-rise office towers. Some of the buildings for which the firm is best known include Denver International Airport (1995)

It also mentions a Prince Hall Lodge on the left:

Pic from beforeitsnews.com at travefy.com: "The Weirdest Airport in the World"

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-29   9:11:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GreyLmist (#5)

So there you have it, the Denver Airport is almost certainly a headquarters for the Lizard people who control the world and will set about a New World Order. On a serious note, even with all these conspiracy theories disproven, it’s entirely impossible to deny the varying degrees of weirdness that populate its every detail.

Don't discount the Lizard people...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-07-29   9:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Lod (#6)

One of the Comments here says: God will prevail.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-29   9:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#1) (Edited)

George Zimmerman’s Statements To Sanford PD [Audio]

Audio of George Zimmerman's statements made to the Sanford Police Department regarding his shooting of Trayvon Martin on 2/26/2012

a list of recordings of statements made by George Zimmerman to Sanford Police Department in their investigation of the shooting death of 17-year- old Trayvon Martin. Included are both in-person interviews and telephone interviews with George Zimmerman. Listen to the audio below [on this page]. A written copy of Zimmerman’s statement to police is also included below [on this page].

In addition to this list, you may also be interested in listening to other audio in the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman case. [Links to all of the available audio files from the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman case]

Topic: Inv. Singleton's Zimmerman Interview Transcripts - Posted 8/7/2012

2/26 Tape 1
2/26 Tape 2

Transcript of Investigator Singleton's 2/26 nterview of George Zimmerman -- as submitted by Mark O'Mara-- Parts One and Two combined

Complete Transcript, Serino Interview, 2-29-2012, Tape 3

This is the transcript of the 3rd tape of Investigators Serino and Singleton interviewing Zimmerman. This tape recorded them playing back the non-emergency call and questioning him about his location, moves and motives. This is the audio: audio_interview_0229_3 [Audio Security Problem]

CVZSA: George Zimmerman Sanford Police Interview [Lie Detector-Polygraph] (February 27, 2012) - Published on Jun 21, 2012 [1 hour 12 minute YouTube video]

George Zimmerman being processed and interrogated at the Sanford Police Department following his 2/26/2012 shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. The interview took place on 2/27/2012.

The Test: http://bit.ly/LNtI1M

Zimmerman CVSA Examination - Published on Jul 19, 2013 [Shorter version - 50 minute YouTube video]

CVSA exam of George Zimmerman

The Shot: A Partial Transcript of Zimmerman's CVSA Interview - Posted 8/18/2012

In the interview preceding the CVSA test, Zimmerman was asked the most questions about the shooting itself, and gave his most detailed account of it. I thought it would be useful to transcribe those parts of the interview.

I recommend watching the video [CVZSA YouTubes posted above]. Both Zimmerman and Investigator Erwin did some gesturing and posing as visual aids to their questions and answers.

The interview itself starts at 25:19 on the recording, 6:43:56 on the time stamp. It ends at 45:22, 7:03:59. [Transcription at this website]

Zimmerman's Police Interview Played; Detective: Zimmerman Seemed Frustrated

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. - Aired July 2, 2013 | CNN NEWSROOM

SERINO: ...I can't pinpoint where you were smothered. That's the problem I'm having. Nobody is saying they saw him smothering you. They saw him on top of you, but they didn't see the smothering part.

ZIMMERMAN: It doesn't sound like there's a hesitation in the screaming, it sounds like it's continuous. We don't hear it stop. [More transcription at the website]

George Zimmerman's Exclusive Full Interview With Sean Hannity 7-18-2012 - Published on Jul 19, 2012 [40 minute YouTube video]

Zimmerman should ‘regret’ Hannity interview - The Washington Post - 7/19/2012

ZIMMERMAN: I feel it was all God’s plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it --

Folks understandably have zeroed in on Zimmerman’s “God’s plan” remark. But if you read the transcript carefully — and honestly — you’ll see that he was responding to Hannity’s question about whether he thought he would not be alive today if he didn’t have his gun that night.

5 things George Zimmerman told Sean Hannity that may come back to haunt him - Posted 7/19/2012 [4 minute video at the site]

1. Trayvon wasn't running.

Hannity seemed taken aback when Zimmerman repeatedly insisted that Trayvon Martin wasn’t running, since Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that he was. The Fox News host asked Zimmerman to try to “get into the mind-set” of the teen, and questioned whether he might have been running from Zimmerman because he was afraid of him and didn’t know who Zimmerman was. Zimmerman’s one word response to that proposition: “no.”

“You don’t think — why do you think that he was running then?” Hannity asked, to which Zimmerman replied that maybe he “said running,” but that Martin was “more … like skipping, going away quickly. But he wasn’t running out of fear.”

“You could tell the difference?” Hannity asked, to which Zimmerman replied more emphatically: “He wasn’t running.” Hannity asked again: “So he wasn’t actually running?” And Zimmerman reiterated, “No, sir.”

Hannity, who has been sympathetic to Zimmerman and didn’t cross-examine him forcefully during the interview, eventually gave up on that line of questioning, but not before adding, “OK. Because that’s what you said to the dispatcher, that you thought he was running.”

Meanwhile, Zimmerman said on the 911 tape, as he was describing where he was inside the gated community the Retreat at Twin Lakes on February 26th:

“… you go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. Sh*t, he’s running.”

The dispatcher asked, “he’s running? Which way is he running?” to which Zimmerman responded, “down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.” A few seconds later, Zimmerman tells the dispatcher, “he ran,” and then begins trying to give directions to where his truck is parked.

2. He didn’t pursue Trayvon Martin

After telling the dispatcher that Martin was running “toward the back entrance,” and muttering a garbled epithet, that Zimmerman told Hannity was “f– ing punks,” the dispatcher asked Zimmerman, “are you following him?” Zimmerman answered, “yeah,” and was told, “we don’t need you to do that.”

ZIMMERMAN: I meant that I was going in the same direction as him, to keep an eye on him so that I could tell the police where he was going. I didn’t mean that I was actually pursuing him.

Listen to the call here. The relevant section occurs at about 2:06.

3. Zimmerman was “never more than 100 feet from his car.”

Zimmerman did not explain how, if he was not following Martin, he wound up confronting Martin around the back side of the townhomes [where there were no addresses for the dispatcher-directions], rather than in front, where his car was parked. Below is a map of the Retreat at Twin Lakes, showing where Zimmerman’s car was parked, and approximately where Martin fell (Source: Miami Herald) [Map Link]

4. Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman’s mouth near the end of the confrontation

Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda hinted during the June 29 bond hearing that he plans to bring up the question of whether Zimmerman could have been the one heard screaming on the 911 tapes, if he was also being smothered by Martin.

5. He didn’t know he’d shot Trayvon

HANNITY: When you think back, there was one report or police report that actually said you didn’t know after you fired, you didn’t think — you thought you missed?

ZIMMERMAN: I didn’t think I hit him, yes.

HANNITY: Did you know that Trayvon — when did you know that Trayvon had died?

ZIMMERMAN: When I — probably about an hour after I got to the police station.

Map:

[Gave his own house address as directions in the CVSA interview above, set to start here at 27:55-29:50 of the long version video and at 13:04-14:44 of the short version video.]

Edited for link correction.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   2:16:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#8) (Edited)

5 things George Zimmerman told Sean Hannity that may come back to haunt him

HANNITY: Did you know that Trayvon — when did you know that Trayvon had died?

ZIMMERMAN: When I — probably about an hour after I got to the police station.

Post #1 Re: Zimmerman not doing anything to help or get help for someone who had not demonstrably used a weapon against him

coroner Trayvon Martin didn’t die instantly - theGrio [3.5 minute video]

by James Novogrod, Tom Winter and Tracy Connor, NBC News | July 5, 2013 | Excerpts

The medical examiner who performed the autopsy on Trayvon Martin testified Friday that the teen may have lived for up to 10 minutes after being shot in the heart by George Zimmerman – a conclusion he reached just three weeks ago.

Later, during a hearing outside the presence of the jury, Zimmerman lawyer Don West pointed out that Bao said during a November deposition that he thought Martin would have been alive just one to three minutes.

Earlier, Bao testified that the bullet traveled a straight path — not at an angle — from the front of Martin’s chest to his back, piercing his heart and lung.

The doctor said he changed his opinion three weeks ago after his office handled the autopsy for a case “very similar to Trayvon Martin’s case.”

Edited to expand theGrio excerpts and to add:

The video at that article states at 1:58 that Trayvon was found with his hands under him, not arms spread out like Zimmerman described.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   2:18:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#8) (Edited)

Link set to start at 34:41-36:56 of the CVZSA long version video. Zimmerman speaks about being cuffed and put in the patrol car, then Paramedics got there. They went to Trayvon first, then poured peroxide on Zimmerman's head and checked his nose. When it was asked if he was going to the hospital/CFR before the police station for questioning, he was taken to the police station and not the hospital as severely injured or in need of stitches for the back of his head like he mentioned a Paramedic saying. He didn't know that CFR meant Central Florida Regional Hospital.

At 31:40-32:10 of the CVZSA video, he describes being suffocated by Trayvon pushing down on his nose and mouth [31:55, 42:19, 43:31] but doesn't claim excruciating pain from that because of his nose being broke, as he did in this article on his Hannity interview, pg. 4. Doesn't describe a nosebleed from it being broke either or when smashed down during the alleged suffocation but claims at the start of the first CVZSA video link above for 34:41-36:56 that he had blood all over his face and eyes, which might have been Trayvon's from being shot -- otherwise it would probably have been on Trayvon's hands from allegedly punching Zimmerman's face and head repeatedly [31:11, 38:32] and trying to suffocate him.

Zimmerman's face doesn't look like it was beaten in that CVZSA video of the next day at the police station. No blood seen on his clothing in this news clip of his arrival at the police station after the shooting and it reports no visible injuries seen on Zimmerman. Zimmerman claimed that he didn't know Trayvon had died until he was at the police station for an hour [Hannity interview link, pg. 5], so his reason for not trying to help him or get help for him [Posts #1 and #9 above] wouldn't be that he thought he was dead and probably not because he figured for sure there was nothing that could be done to try and help him. The police might have arrived before the shooting if they weren't delayed by Zimmerman claiming not to know the names of the streets or the addresses in his own neighborhood that he patrolled and, strangely, by giving his own address to the dispatcher for directions [Endnote references at Post #8 above]. The Paramedics likely would have arrived sooner, as well, and maybe could have done more to help Trayvon if they did.

Various edits.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   5:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: GreyLmist (#8)

That is a nice map. Very nice!

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titorite  posted on  2013-08-08   6:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: titorite (#11) (Edited)

That is a nice map. Very nice!

Thanks. Doesn't seem like very many different streets in that neighborhood for Zimmerman to have been unsure about the names when he'd been living there for years and patrolling it for months:

Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia

Zimmerman and his wife moved to The Retreat at Twin Lakes in 2009.

In September 2011, the Twin [Towers] Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.

During the six months leading up to the February 26, 2012 shooting, Zimmerman called the non-emergency police telephone line seven times.

Edited for highlighting and bracketed insert.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-08   7:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#1) (Edited)

[Zimmerman] supposedly lived in the area since 2007

Date Correction: 2009. Wikipedia Reference: Zimmerman and his wife moved to The Retreat at Twin Lakes in 2009.

Prior Ops Research Footnotes:

Recently relocated to Sandy Hook - Pgs. 1 and 2 | 12/26/2012

HowStuffWorks: Spy Methods [read: Covert Ops/PsyOps/BlackOps]

The most important element of a long-­term [spying covert] operation is the use of a cover and the creation of a legend. A cover is a secret identity, and a legend is the background story and documents that support the cover.

To make the cover seem more realistic, the legend must be very thorough. The agent will have a fake life history that he must memorize.

Once the [spy covert agent] establishes a cover, he might spend years doing his job and establishing trust.

Spies Like Us: The Russians' Unremarkable Lives | July 02, 2010

Heathfield and Foley are two of eleven people arrested in recent days in New York, northern Virginia, New Jersey, Cyprus and Boston on suspicion of being Russian spies. The U.S. arrests took place on June 27 after a seven-year, federal investigation of a suspected espionage ring seeking information on U.S. government policy. The 11th arrest was made in Cyprus.

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At the end of their yard, where the walkway meets the redbrick sidewalk, stands a neighborhood watch sign advising the community to report suspicious activity.

Edited for capitalization.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-17   15:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GreyLmist (#8)

the map

Hilarious/ironic/whatever, the street named "Retreat View Circle."

Too bad neither moron heeded its good advice...

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Lod  posted on  2013-08-17   15:17:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All (#13) (Edited)

Spies Like Us: The Russians' Unremarkable Lives | July 02, 2010
...northern Virginia...

Cross-referencing Post #111 of 4um Title: New Mural In Florida’s Capitol Building Shows Zimmerman Shooting Trayvon Martin

YouTube link set to start at 19:13-19:36 about Zimmerman's Army service, Virginia: George Zimmerman Sanford Police Interview [Lie Detector/Polygraph] (February 27, 2012)

Additional case info at Post #237 of 4um Title: An Open Letter to the Parents of Trayvon Martin

Edited line 1 + to include linked article reference in quoted section.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-17   15:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GreyLmist (#9)

5 things George Zimmerman told Sean Hannity that may come back to haunt him . . .

. . . but apparently didn't.

Potential civil litigants against GM shudder to think about the many things TM said and did that will come back to haunt their lawsuits.

Know guns, know safety, know liberty. No guns, no safety, no liberty.

randge  posted on  2013-08-17   15:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: randge (#16) (Edited)

Potential civil litigants against GM shudder to think about the many things TM said and did that will come back to haunt their lawsuits.

I am not sure you thought that out well. TM is dead. You can't sue the dead until the excruafiction is removed from sueances. Besides GM the Wife beating ,purjuring,ex con has no worth in my book... just another latin jew in catholic clothing.

You can't sue the dead. TM is dead. What is it not enough that white people got to enjoy the digital chimp out but now you wanna watch his survivors get raked through the mud too like a bad episode of judge judy.

Good gravy man , is their no end to the sacrifice of dignity and rational regarding this case?

He is dead. GM is free.

Let the past event live in the past rather than promoting on with negative thoughts.

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titorite  posted on  2013-08-17   17:09:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: titorite (#17)

I am not sure you thought that out well.

It's not whether I have thought something out well or not. Fact is that immediately after the verdict trial balloons were going up on a civil suit against GZ a la OJ.

The Injustice Dept. was also considering charges against Zimmerman.

Trayvon's history is in play.

Good gravy man , is their no end to the sacrifice of dignity and rational regarding this case?

Good gravy. I'm not talking about what may be entertaining or titillating should such litigation go forth.

Just stating what is likely to come out at trial.

God forfend. We've had enough of this s#!t. It's said that over 6000 blacks have been killed since the incident in question took place. Most of them killed by other blacks.

Perhaps it's time to change the subject.

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randge  posted on  2013-08-17   18:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: All (#10) (Edited)

Post #8 Endnote: Zimmerman [Gave his own house address as directions in the CVSA interview above, set to start here at 27:55-29:50 of the long version video and at 13:04 12:49-14:44 of the short version video.]

Post #10: [Zimmerman gave] his own address to the dispatcher for directions [Endnote references at Post #8 above].

Conflicting 911 Call Transcript says that the Non-Emergency Call Dispatcher asked him for his home address:

Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to Police - Page 3 || PDF Version

YouTube Video: Trayvon Martin Shooting - Zimmermans COMPLETE 911 Call With Audio And Transcript [Z claimed in his Hannity interview that the inaudible word he muttered with an expletive as an epithet was Punks]

YouTube Video: Raw Video: George Zimmerman reenacts incident for Sanford Police || 2:15-9:34 Conflicting statements in comparison with the 911 Call/transcript

Zimmerman claims in the Reenactment video that, during his call at the clubhouse with the dispatcher, he lost sight of Trayvon when he went around the corner there and that the dispatcher asked him which direction Trayvon went but no evidence of any of that in the recorded call. He basically then claims that the dispatcher asked him to follow Trayvon by getting to where he could see him but no evidence of that in the call either. He does not mention Trayvon running, which is the point in the recorded call that the dispatcher asked what direction he was running and towards which entrance. Z then claims that where he had parked after leaving the clubhouse and still during the call with the dispatcher, Trayvon looked back at him by the building, then went behind it but no evidence in the call of him telling the dispatcher that's where he went. Claims Trayvon then came back from behind the building and, with his hand in his waistband, circled his vehicle as he sat in it while talking to the dispatcher but no evidence of that in the call.

He claims next that the dispatcher asked where he was (not where Trayvon went after circling his vehicle) and he couldn't remember the name of the street because he doesn't live on it. He then describes being pressed for an address by the dispatcher but didn't know an address and thinks he gave them his home address. Says the dispatcher asked for directions to get to him and he said his truck was parked past the clubhouse, on the left. Says the dispatcher again asked where Trayvon went/what direction but no evidence of the dispatcher asking about Trayvon's direction in the call except when he was said to be running from the clubhouse area towards the back entrance, near his residence. Claims to have told the dispatcher, while parked in front of the condos, that he didn't know where Trayvon went after circling his vehicle, when he would have been able to see him go behind the building again if that had happened. Says that's when he got out of his truck and started walking to the next street for an address. Those details don't comport with the call either, during which he was not asked for personal info or more about his location than confirmation of the clubhouse address until after he was asked if he was following Trayvon:

Very early in the call transcription, it reads as if he claimed that Trayvon had his hand in his waistband when walking near and towards the clubhouse where he had parked at first, that he looked at the vehicle and continued on past it. He gave the dispatcher a description of Trayvon, asked how long before the police arrived, was told that someone was on the way and to let them know if the guy did anything else. He then made the statement that "they always get away" and started to describe his own location as no longer at the clubhouse but beyond it. The call proceeds as if that's when Z started following him in his vehicle with no request from the dispatcher to get to where he could see him. At that point, he says Trayvon started running down the street (towards his residence) near the back entrance. The dispatcher asked Z, apparently while driving, if he was following him and he answered that he was. The dispatcher said, "we don't need you to do that." The dispatcher then asked for his name and phone number and if he wanted to meet with the police when they arrived. Arrangements were made by him to meet at his truck, past the clubhouse and mailboxes, but when the dispatcher asked where he was parked, he said that he didn't know the street address. The dispatcher asked if he lived in the area and for his home address. He answered that he did and started to give his address, then stopped. Dispatcher tried to confirm the meeting place with the police as near the mailboxes, which are by the clubhouse. Z agreed then asked that the police call him instead and he would tell them where he was at then. His phone number is repeated and the call ends.

At the point he gets out of the vehicle in the Reenactment video, he claims that he was still on the phone with the dispatcher while walking to the next street to get an address for them, which he never gave -- passing the houses to the right and left where he could have gotten an address much closer to where he was parked. Mentions as he approaches the T area that he had a flashlight but it didn't work (which he oddly didn't mention thinking to use as a defensive weapon during the alleged fight later or that he dropped it then). Claims to have stopped at the T between the houses and told the dispatcher that Trayvon was gone but no evidence of that in the call. Says that the dispatcher asked as he kept walking all the way to the next street if he still wanted a police officer to come there if the guy was gone and he answered yes but no evidence of that in the call. Repeats that again and says the dispatcher asked if he was following him. Changes it to being asked "back there" somewhere about following him and, when he answered that he was - because he was in the area - he was told that they didn't need him to do that. He said, "Ok," as he continued walking to the next street to get an address so he could meet the police officer - but he didn't give any address from it to the dispatcher and (even though the call transcription goes on for more than a page after the exchange about following Trayvon) he backtracks to reiterate what he had already said in the video: the guy wasn't there, the dispatcher asked if he still wanted the police to come by, he said yes, the dispatcher asked where he wanted them to meet him and he said at his truck next to the clubhouse, then he claims to have started walking back towards it. Most of that doesn't appear anywhere in the call except for an arrangement to meet with the police.

Conflicting CVSA interview statements starting at 25:20-30:36.

Edited grammar + video timestamp correction.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-18   4:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: All (#15) (Edited)

Post #13: Spies Like Us: The Russians' Unremarkable Lives | July 02, 2010

...northern Virginia...

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At the end of their yard, where the walkway meets the redbrick sidewalk, stands a neighborhood watch sign advising the community to report suspicious activity.

Post #15: YouTube link set to start at 19:13-19:36 about Zimmerman's Army service, Virginia: George Zimmerman Sanford Police Interview [Lie Detector/Polygraph] (February 27, 2012)


Map Link - Manassas, VA

Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia

George Michael Zimmerman was born on October 5, 1983, in Manassas, Virginia

Zimmerman and his wife moved to The Retreat at Twin Lakes in 2009.

Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman has Manassas ties - Crime Scene - The Washington Post

The 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain ... grew up in Manassas, the Orlando Sentinel reports.

His family relocated to Florida in 2002.

Interactive map: The Trayvon Martin killing - HLNtv.com | At #4 below the map, using 100% Zoom or less: Read the written statement from Zimmerman to police about what happened (PDF) - Narrative Report

CVSA Video Statements: George Zimmerman Sanford Police Interview [Lie Detector/Polygraph] (February 27, 2012) | At 39:56-40:04 | "illuminating"

CVSA Interviewer: "Did you feel that you were putting yourelf in danger?"
Zimmerman: "No, because I...where I was parked, my headlights were lighting...illuminating..."

Manassas, Virginia - Wikipedia

In July 1861, the First Battle of Manassas – also known as the First Battle of Bull Run – the first major land battle of the American Civil War, was fought near here. Manassas commemorated the 150th anniversary of First Battle of Manassas July 21–24, 2011.

Second Battle of Manassas (or the Second Battle of Bull Run) was fought near here on August 28–30, 1862.

Recent "Bull Run" News:

August 16, 2013 at dailycaller.com: NAACP state head: Missouri rodeo clown committed a ‘hate crime’ by wearing Obama mask || 4um Reference

President of the Missouri chapter of the NAACP Mary Ratliff claimed in a radio interview Thursday that the Obama mask-donning rodeo clown committed a hate crime, CBS St. Louis reports.

August 16, 2013 at nationalreport.net: Missouri Fair Rodeo Clown, Tuffy Gessling, Arrested For “Hate Crimes” || Article Pic Link || 4um posted Video Refererence: Allen West VS Steve Webb: Obama Rodeo Clown 'Hypocrisy' - Sean Hannity Show - 8/13/13

Late Thursday evening, federal agents arrested Tuffy Gessling, the rodeo clown that donned an Obama mask at the Missouri State Fair, for committing a hate crime.

Seems something like an "Illuminati inside joke".

Recent "Weather Report" from the Comments section at justoneminute: Last Map Of The Retreat At Twin Lakes

Obama is Bill Ayers's and Bernardine Dohrn's Manchurian Candidate tool.

The Weather Underground sought to incite a race war in America.

This is all part of their plan.

townmapsusa.com Pic Link

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-19   0:43:18 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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