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Title: How to Start a Nuclear War
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URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/ ... is/how-to-start-a-nuclear-war/
Published: Jan 31, 2015
Author: Eric Margolis
Post Date: 2015-01-31 07:50:17 by Ada
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Views: 501
Comments: 23

The United States has just made an exceptionally dangerous, even reckless decision over Ukraine. Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet leader who ended the Cold War, warns it may lead to a nuclear confrontation with Russia.

Rule number one of geopolitics: nuclear-armed powers must never, ever fight.

Yet Washington just announced that by spring, it will deploy unspecified numbers of military “trainers” to Ukraine to help build Kiev’s ramshackle national guard. Also being sent are significant numbers of US special heavy, mine resistant armored vehicles that have been widely used in Afghanistan and Iraq. The US and Poland are currently covertly supplying Ukraine with some weapons.

The US soldiers will just be for training, and the number of GI’s will be modest, claim US military sources. Of course. Just like those small numbers of American “advisors” and “trainers” in Vietnam that eventually grew to 550,000. Just as there are now US special forces in over 100 countries. We call it “mission creep.”

The war-craving neocons in Washington and their allies in Congress and the Pentagon have long wanted to pick a fight with Russia and put it in its place for daring to oppose US policies against Iran, Syria and Palestine. What neocons really care about is the Mideast.

Some neocon fantasies call for breaking up the Russian Federation into small, impotent parts. Many Russians believe this is indeed Washington’s grand strategy, mixing military pressure on one hand and social media subversion on the other, aided by Ukrainian oligarchs and rightists. A massive propaganda campaign is underway, vilifying Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin as “the new Hitler.”

Back to eastern Ukraine. You don’t have to be a second Napoleon to see how a big war could erupt.

Ukrainian National Guard forces, stiffened by American “volunteers” and “private contractors,” and led by US special forces, get in a heavy fire fight with pro- Russian separatist forces. Washington, whose military forces are active in the Mideast, Central America, the Philippines, Africa, Afghanistan, Pakistan, South Korea, has been blasting Moscow for allegedly sending some 9,000 soldiers into neighboring Ukraine.

The Americans, who have never been without total air superiority since the 1950’s Korean War, call in US and NATO air support. Pro-Russian units, backed by Russian military forces just across the border, will reply with heavy rocket fire and salvos of anti-aircraft missiles. Both sides will take heavy casualties and rush in reinforcements.

Does anyone think the Russians, who lost close to 40 million soldiers and civilians in World War II, won’t fight to defend their Motherland?

Heavy conventional fighting could quickly lead to commanders calling for tactical nuclear strikes delivered by aircraft and missiles. This was a constant fear in nearly all NATO v Warsaw Pact Cold War scenarios – and the very good reason that both sides avoided direct confrontation and confined themselves to using proxy forces.

Tactical nuclear strikes can lead to strategic strikes, then intercontinental attacks. In a nuclear confrontation, as in naval battles, he who fires first has a huge advantage.

“We can’t allow Russia to keep Crimea,” goes another favorite neocon mantra. Why not? Hardly any Americans could even find Crimea on a map.

Crimea belonged to Russia for over 200 years. I’ve been all over the great Russian naval base at Sevastopol. It became part of Ukraine when Kiev declared independence in 1991, but the vital base was always occupied and guarded by Russia’s military. Ukrainians were a minority in the Crimea – whose original Tatar inhabitants were mostly ethnically cleansed by Stalin. Most of those Russian troops who supposedly “invaded” Ukraine actually came from the giant Sevastopol base, which was under joint Russian and Ukrainian sovereignty.

Only fools and the ignorant can have believed that tough Vlad Putin would allow Ukraine’s new rightist regime to join NATO and hand one of Russia’s most vital bases and major exit south to the western alliance.

Two of Crimea’s cities, Sevastopol and Kerch, were honored as “Hero Cities” of the Soviet Union for their gallant defense in World War II. Over 170,000 Soviet soldiers died in 1942 defending Sevastopol in a brutal, 170-day siege. Another 100,000 died retaking the peninsula in 1944.

In total, well over 16 million Soviet soldiers died in the war, destroying in the process 70% of the German Wehrmacht and 80% of the Luftwaffe. By contrast, US losses in that war, including the Pacific, were 400,000.

One might as well ask Texas to give up the Alamo or Houston as to order Russia to get out of Crimea, a giant graveyard for the Red Army and the German 11th army.

In 2013, President Putin proposed a sensible negotiated settlement to the Ukraine dispute: autonomy for eastern Ukraine and its right to speak Russians as well as Ukrainian. If war or economic collapse is to be avoided, this is the solution. Eastern Ukraine was a key part of the Soviet economy. Its rusty heavy industry would be wiped out if Ukraine joined the EU – just as was East Germany’s obsolete industries when Germany reunified.

So now it appears that Washington’s economic warfare over Ukraine is going to turn military, even though the US has no strategic or economic interests in Ukraine. Getting involved in military operations there when the US is still bogged down in the Mideast and Afghanistan is daft. Even more so, when President Barack Obama’s “pivot toward Asia” is gathering momentum.

Didn’t two world war at least teach the folly of waging wars on two fronts?

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

The United States has just made an exceptionally dangerous, even reckless decision over Ukraine. Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet leader who ended the Cold War, warns it may lead to a nuclear confrontation with Russia.

" a nuclear confrontation with Russia."

Nonsense.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-31   8:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom, ADA (#1)

I'll bet you that tactical nukes and neutron weapons are used if the NATO pushes too hard on Eastern Ukraine. It won't escalate.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-31   8:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deasy (#2)

I'll bet you that tactical nukes and neutron weapons are used if the NATO pushes too hard on Eastern Ukraine.

No...

I am under the impression that Ukraine/NATO are operating within Ukraine territory, not Russia?

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-31   9:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

That won't bother the Russians if push comes to shove.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-31   9:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deasy (#4)

Pooty Poot is all for getting what he can get, however, only by bluff, bluster ad blarney.

Risk war with NATO over Ukraine?

Russia backed down over Cuba, backed down over Berlin.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-31   9:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

Berlin was at the fringe. Cuba was overseas. Eastern Georgia should be a reminder of what could happen if the Russian rebels are pushed too hard. I notice that nobody wants to join the Ukraine army. The EU isn't up to it, and sanctions are failing.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-31   9:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deasy (#6)

Berlin was at the fringe. Cuba was overseas. Eastern Georgia should be a reminder of what could happen if the Russian rebels are pushed too hard. I notice that nobody wants to join the Ukraine army. The EU isn't up to it, and sanctions are failing.

I have not read nor seen anything from anyone that would agree with personal opinion.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-31   10:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

Georgia should be a valuable lesson for the EU. At least the actions of the Russian separatists show what Russia can do when it is backed up against a wall.

South Ossetia is still under Russian "occupation." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo...so-Georgian_War_and_since

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-31   10:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deasy (#8)

At least the actions of the Russian separatists show what Russia can do when it is backed up against a wall.

Does that account for the reason they withdrew from Germany, Poland, Lithuania,Estonia, Latvia, Hungry, Bulgaria, Austria, Greece, Albania etc etc?

Or was it perhaps sanctions and pressure?

Russia has a very poor history of expansionism.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-31   11:05:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9)

Eastern Georgia and Eastern Ukraine are different for the same reason: both have democratic separatist/secessionist movements.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-31   14:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deasy (#10)

Eastern Ukraine is Russian, transplanted there by force years ago when Russians took land away from Ukrainians.

Ukrainians are 87 per cent of population, that is akin to us giving Texas to Mexico.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-31   14:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#11)

But South Ossetia isn't Texas.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-31   15:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deasy (#12)

But South Ossetia isn't Texas.

Ukraine is Ukraine and the Russians want it, by bluster if possible.

Cynicom  posted on  2015-01-31   15:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#13)

They were promised the Crimea and non-interference at the end of the Cold War. What they really want is the backbone of the Crimea in the eastern portion of Ukraine. I suspect they'll get it because Ukraine won't fight for it, and the EU lacks courage, and the US won't fight a land war that close to Russia's industrial heartland. The sanctions are failing because of Russia's links to others in Asia and its own wealth stores.

Zbig has been out-maneuvered.

Deasy  posted on  2015-01-31   15:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, Deasy (#5)

Risk war with NATO over Ukraine?

Russia backed down over Cuba, backed down over Berlin.

Neither involved the massacre and genocide of a civilian Russian population, and neither involved overthrowing a government friendly to Russia on its border and replacing it with a neo-Nazi fascist state hostile to Russia and Russians in general.

It'd be as if Moscow had financed the overthrow of Mexico and decided to slaughter the population just south of the US border and assist by sending in Russian troops and heavy equipment.

Are you that caught up in your "geopolitical genius" that you can't see that very simple fact?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-31   19:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom, Deasy (#11) (Edited)

Eastern Ukraine is Russian, transplanted there by force years ago when Russians took land away from Ukrainians.

Pure bullshit. There WAS no Ukraine until the birth of the Soviet Union, the land to the east was part of Russia, the land to the west was part of Poland and Hungary.

Ukrainians are 87 per cent of population

There IS no nationality of Ukraine, and there WAS no nation named Ukraine in prior history, it had at most been a collection of oblasts (similar to a state) of the Soviet Union under the administrative title of Ukraine.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-31   19:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deasy (#14)

Russia would NEVER allow the US to take Crimea for two very simple reasons.

1) Their Black Sea fleet has their base there in Sevastopol.

2) The land was part of Russia for centuries, it wasn't until 1954 when Khrushchev administratively attached Crimea to Ukraine, and the people there are largely Russian by nationality or birth. The people there did not see the US imposed coup regime as legitimate and voted to rejoin Russia, asking the Russian government to accept them back. The Russian Duma accepted their request and Putin simply signed off on it.

Russia will NEVER give Crimea to anyone, it is their people, their military base at Sevastopol, and their land.

It'd be like the US giving Massachusetts back to the British.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-31   19:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom, Deasy (#9)

Does that account for the reason they withdrew from Germany, Poland, Lithuania,Estonia, Latvia, Hungry, Bulgaria, Austria, Greece, Albania etc etc?

It had to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The Russian Federation has never had to withdraw from any of the countries you list, since it never occupied them to begin with.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-31   19:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deasy (#6)

I notice that nobody wants to join the Ukraine army.

Not only are Ukraine conscripts refusing to show up for indoctrination, they are leaving Ukraine for Russia...

Potential conscripts evade draft, flee country amid escalation in E. Ukraine


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-31   20:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deasy (#2)

I'll bet you that tactical nukes and neutron weapons are used if the NATO pushes too hard on Eastern Ukraine. It won't escalate.

You can bet that if ANY nuclear weaponry is used, it'll quickly escalate to global thermonuclear war within hours if not sooner.

Thing is, Russia would have no need whatsoever to use nukes within Ukraine, they could easily take the whole country within a day or two with their tanks and air power.

If the US uses nukes on the other hand, then all bets are off. If the US attacks Russian ships or aircraft, then we can see numbers of US carriers and battle groups sitting on the bottom of the ocean, which of course would lead to escalation.

It's pure insanity for our so-called "leaders" to be pursuing the path they're on.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-31   20:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ada, Cynicom (#0)

The war-craving neocons in Washington and their allies in Congress and the Pentagon have long wanted to pick a fight with Russia and put it in its place for daring to oppose US policies against Iran, Syria and Palestine.

{...}

A massive propaganda campaign is underway, vilifying Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin as “the new Hitler.”

Sometimes I wonder if our self-declared geopolitical expert isn't instead sitting in an office at Langley pretending to be an old fart from way back when.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2015-01-31   20:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)

My friend's son-in-law deploys March 15; he told me yesterday.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-02-01   0:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#13) (Edited)

Ukraine is Ukraine and the Russians want it, by bluster if possible.

Ukraine is Ukraine because Russians (the Rus people/Vikings) made the Ukraine back in the early Middle Ages (882 AD, its capital called Kiev Rus) and the West wants it now largely because it has the second-largest Military in Europe after Russia's, has launched six satellites, is the world's third-largest grain exporter with a higher than average yield and the Ukrainian stock market recorded the second-highest growth in the world of 130 percent in 2007.

References:

Ukraine - Wikipedia

4um Title: Russia melts down -- extensive Ukraine and Crimea history postings

Edited formatting + to add date info and Crimea notation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2015-02-01   9:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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