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Title: Judaism & Homosexuality: A Marriage Made In Hell
Source: rense.com
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general73/judm.htm
Published: Sep 23, 2006
Author: Rev. Ted Pike
Post Date: 2006-09-23 18:46:17 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 287
Comments: 16

Judaism & Homosexuality:
A Marriage Made In Hell
By Rev. Ted Pike
9-22-6

Today, Judaism, more than any religion, has rejected moral judgments against homosexuality, and supports the gay agenda. Reform Judaism, representing 39 percent of American religious Jews, is now in total endorsement of sodomy. It says:
We hold that homosexuality is no longer {an abomination}; it is not a mental illness or social deviancy; it is not a perversion of the natural order. Homosexuality is not a choice or a preference; it is not something that one decides to do or abstain from doing. It is, like, heterosexuality, the way one is. As such it makes no sense on religious or moral grounds to differentiate between people on the basis of sexual orientation.
Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the Union For Reformed Judaism, concurs:
For the first time in history, a major rabbinical body has affirmed the Jewish validity of committed, same-gender relationships. 1
Conservative rabbis, who lead 33 percent of religious Jews, announce they will soon ordain gay rabbis and encourage homosexuality for Jewish men and women who are so inclined. 2
Orthodox Judaism, 21 percent of American religious Jews, has not yet outwardly endorsed homosexuality. In fact, it officially forbids homosexual relations between adults.
But in the Talmud, the highest religious, ethical and legal authority for Orthodox Jews, we find a very different, shocking reality: little boys under the age of nine (delectable objects of homosexual lust) are repeatedly described as incapable of "throwing guilt" on the adult who rapes them!
How does the Talmud reach such a perverted conclusion? The Talmud considers in depth the question: "What disqualifies a woman from eligibility to marry a Jewish priest?" The Old Testament says sexual immorality does. Yet the Talmud repeatedly asserts that a grown-up woman can have sex with boys under the age of nine. There is a difference of opinion among the most eminent rabbis about whether this disqualifies her from being the wife of a priest. Yet all agree that such intercourse is not sexual activity, and neither she nor the little boy have done anything wrong.
The precedent of women being encouraged into pederasty creates deep moral reverberations: a little boy is without moral protection. His rape is not even a moral issue. It is consequently not hard to imagine how Jewish homosexuals, already lusting after little boys (chickens, in their vocabulary), could find justification in the Talmud's rationalization.
Here's what the Talmud says. The Talmud teaches that since little boys aren't sexually mature, molesting them has no moral implications. Because such a minor isn't a "man" in the mature sense, the boy and his sexual predator are exempted from the Mosaic ban on homosexuality. It says, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind." (Lev. 18:29) 3
Sanhedrin 69b summarizes: "All agree that the connection of a boy age nine years and a day is a real connection; while that of one less than eight years is not." 4
The majority opinion in Sanh. 55a states: "Rab. said: pederasty with a child below 9 years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that" "Rab. maintains that only he who is able to engage in sexual intercourse, may, as the passive subject of pederasty, throw guilt [upon the active offender]; while he who is unable to engage in sexual intercourse cannot" 5
The rabbis agreed that a woman could have sexual relations with a young boy without it even being considered a sexual act: "A small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood" (Kethuboth 11b). The footnote to this passage says, "Although the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded a sexual act, nevertheless the woman is injured by it as by a piece of wood" (i.e. she has not sinned, but is perhaps disqualified from marrying a priest). 6
The Talmud discusses such female pederasty ostensibly to determine if a woman, by such intercourse, becomes disqualified to marry a priest. Yet the Talmud opens a wide gate for all Jewish child molesters, male or female, to indulge in sex with boys under nine, free from blame. After all, the Talmud nullifies the Mosaic ban on same-sex with "mankind," teaching that a sexually immature boy is not a "man." Is this not a green light for Jewish homosexuals?
Such teaching is not accidental. The ancient rabbis, sexual perverts, made careful provision for their deviant sexual indulgences. They repeatedly made the Talmud's text crystal-clear: boys of eight, as minors, can't "throw guilt" on the Jewish adult who is the active offender against them.
Jewish apologists absurdly argue that these passages, affirming the moral neutrality of sex with little boys, are expressions of concern to maintain the innocence of the eight year old boy who has been raped. The truth is, they mean to preserve pedophiles from guilt!
Isn't the Talmud Outdated?
It might be objected that, just as there exist outdated practices in the Old Testament such as polygamy and capital punishment to homosexuals, so, isn't it possible that even though the Talmud sanctions pederasty, this permission is no longer taken seriously by Orthodox Judaism?
If Talmudic Judaism had undergone a new "Age of Grace" (as did Christian Jews), making obsolete primitive, moral behaviors, the above argument might have weight.
But Judaism has not undergone such a revolution. Orthodoxy still considers those who wrote the Talmud, the Pharisees, to be the most transcendent spiritual lights Judaism will ever know. When great rabbis speak, the Talmud teaches, they do so out of memory of what they have learned in previous existence in the presence of God! So morally binding are the decrees of Talmudic sages, that when their Sanhedrin speaks through a majority, even God must go along with their decision. 7
Christ, in His vitriolic attacks on the founders of Talmudic Judaism, the Pharisees, accused them of "all uncleanness" (Matt. 23:27). By "all," He may have implied that pederasty, even then, was endorsed and practiced by Pharisees.
Today, while Orthodox Judaism presents itself as taking a strong stand against moral perversion, its most venerated sacred literature, the Talmud, continues to provide Jews a loophole for pederasty.
Anything to Win
For 1700 years, Orthodox-Talmudic Judaism was virtually the only kind of Judaism, including within it, Hassidism or the practice of Kabbalah. In the late 18th century, Reform Judaism emerged and, a century later, Conservative. While Orthodox Judaism may seem to remain a bastion of traditional family values, as we have seen, it is not.
Perhaps it is this double standard within Orthodox Judaism's most sacred literature that allows Orthodox Jew Abe Foxman (See, "ADL's Foxman: Man of Faith?"), head of the Anti-Defamation League, to affirm his own moral contradictions. Foxman promotes religious education in Talmud and Kabbalah for Jewish youth. Yet he gives tacit approval to male homosexuals, a high percentage of whom prey on underage boys. The boy-molesting homosexuals of the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) are in solid agreement with the Talmud that sex with underage boys is of no moral consequence.
How can the evil leaders of Judaism today allow such a contradiction? Answer: they are so consummately evil that they will do anything to destroy Christian civilization and prevail over it-even if it means encouraging their own youth to become homosexual "shock troops."
Why Does ADL Support Homosexuality?
ADL knows the fastest way to destroy existing society is through homosexuality. Historically, no nation pervaded by sodomy endured for long. It's for this reason that Jewish Bolshevik Bella Kuhn, conquering Hungary after the Russian Revolution in 1917, force-fed homosexuality into the curriculum of public education, transforming Hungary's youth into moral degenerates. The same thing is happening today as ADL promotes homosexuality in our school system, even from the kindergarten level.
Several years ago, through Barnes and Noble bookstores, ADL promoted homosexuality through their "No Place for Hate" program. It encouraged families visiting the bookstores to invite a homosexual couple to their home for an evening. This would teach kids, ADL suggested, that there's no truth in Christian judgments against sodomy. Gays, ADL says, are some of the nicest, most non-threatening folks your kids can get to know.
In major US cities, ADL indoctrinates city governments, schools, even liberal churches, that Biblical Christians are gripped by a psychiatric disorder: "homophobia." ADL says bigoted Christians persecute homosexuals, and are motivated by "hate literature," the Bible.
Outlawing Criticism of Sodomy
Yet ADL wants more than to persuade our children to become homosexuals. It seeks special legal protection for homosexuality, making it a "hate crime" to exhibit bias or discrimination against those who practice it. ADL wants homosexuals protected, not just in housing, employment and same-sex marriage, but even from words! ADL claims it should be illegal to even criticize same-sex behaviors in public.
To create these laws, ADL has contrived a twisted definition of hate: "bias" against homosexuality. In countries such as Canada, thanks to ADL/B'nai B'rith federal and provincial hate laws, public expressions of such bias on the air waves, print media, or even on the street corner, can mean exorbitant fines or imprisonment. If a talk show host even suggests that homosexuals have a higher rate of AIDS, he can be fined and jailed, and the radio station airing his "hate" can lose its broadcast license.
In Canadian hate crime court, only the feelings of homosexuals, not truth, matter. If a homosexual feels "intimidated" by public criticism, he can file hate crimes charges against the critic. The truth will never be allowed in court. If a Christian has been found guilty of hurting a homosexual's feelings, he can face a $10,000 fine. If he persists in criticizing homosexuals, he may face years in prison.
Ancient Rivalry With Christianity
Why does organized Jewry, whether from Foxman on the Judaic right or Rabbi Eric Yoffie on the left, seem so intent to weaken Christian society?
It's because Judaism, in all its branches, is but the continuation of a grudge conceived thousands of years ago by the Pharisees against Jesus and His followers. These ancient "blind guides," the leading elite for Jews to this day, were convinced they had a divine mandate to eclipse Gentile power and dominate the nations. As long as Gentile moral values remain strong, this can never happen.
Yes, Jews could dwell at peace if they followed God's directive to "seek the welfare of the cities where I have sent you into exile" (Jeremiah 29:7). But rabbinic Judaism wants much more than that. It intends, through eventual, uncontested power, to literally create its own messianic new world order.
Two thousand years ago, Israel rejected and crucified her first spiritual husband and only Messiah, scorning His promise of a spiritual kingdom of God in their hearts. Judaism today awaits a messiah who will share and legitimize an earthly kingdom for Jews in the most global, physical way. That is an impossible dream for a people numbering only about 15 million, unless Jewish energies are carefully focused toward destruction of the two greatest barriers to their success: Christianity and free enterprise capitalism.
Why Are Most Jews Liberals?
It is thus no mystery why Jews are predominantly liberal, Marxist, pro-homosexual, and anti-Christian. This tiny minority of 2.5 percent of the American population have gravitated toward, and succeed in controlling, media, finance, and government. This control is necessary for one great purpose: to fulfill the Talmudic dream of world dominion.
Of course, many liberal Jews are without any conception of being directed toward such global governance. No matter. What is important is that Jewish leadership, especially over the last several centuries, has supplied the premises and propaganda which directs and molds the Jewish masses, even their intellectuals, into liberal ways of thinking and reacting.
In the history of the Jews-whether in ancient Babylon or countries of Europe or the east- lies a consistent cycle of Jews being allowed into Gentile nations, becoming financially oppressive and morally corruptive, and then being expelled.
How do we explain this? Establishment historians say this cycle is entirely due to Gentile (especially Christian) bigotry. Not so. The nations of antiquity would have been just as willing as we to let Jews peacefully coexist among them. Instead, the Jews, forced to obey the overweening dictates of the Pharisees in the Talmud and Kabbalah, were always compelled to attempt to destroy the societies that sheltered them. The leaders of "organized world Jewry," primarily the World Jewish Congress, then ADL/B'nai B'rith, continues this incitement today.
Jews as Homosexual Activists
Considering the wholesale encouragement of homosexuality, especially in Reform Judaism, it isn't surprising that Jewish activists have spearheaded the gay rights movement. Jewish homosexuals constitute a disproportionately large percentage of leadership and staff of major homosexual organizations. Here are a few of the largest, and the Jewish-sounding names of those who run them:
The Human Rights Campaign (HRC)
Joe Solomonese* President
Board of Directors: Mike Berman, Marty Lieberman, Andy Linsky, Dana Perlman, Scott Weiner
Lara Schwartz, Senior Counsel
Human Rights Campaign Foundation Board: Jay Oppenheimer, Hilary Rosen, Marty Lieberman, Andrea Sharrin*
Board of Governors: Fritz Beesemyer, AJ Bockelman, Cathy Ebert, Don Epstein, Patty Fink, Glen Freedman, Christopher Stenger, Brian Stranghoner, Brian Suber, Michael Lappin, Lisa Zellner, Molli Levin
Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD)
Board of Directors: William Weinberger (Treasurer), Judy Gluckstern (Secretary),
GLAAD Members: Ilene Chaiken, Tanya Grubich, Mark Reisbaum, Carol Rosenfeld, Steve Seidmon, Jeffrey Sosnick, Jeff Soukup, Steven Rozencraft*
Jennifer Oritz, Assoc. Director of Special Events
Jillian Waldman, Major Gifts Officer, LA
Jennifer Glenhorn,* Communications Director
Parents and Families of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG)
Ron Schlittler, Deputy Executive Director
Craig Ziskin, Development Director
Staff Counsel: Lara Schwartz
Directors: Carole Benowitz, Dody Goldstein, David Horowitz, Rebecca Shiff, Daniel Tepfer
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
Jeff Soref, Chair
Marsha Botver, Vice Chair
Roberta Achtenberg, Senior Advisor to CEO
Loren S. Ostrow, Attorney
Paula Redd Zenan, Human Resources Commissioner
Michael Aller, Director of Tourism and Convention
Allan Horowitz, Coordinator, Out For Equity Progress
Sandi Greene, Chief Operations Officer
Roberta Sklara, Director of Communications
Monique Hoeflinger, Organizing and Training Director
Becky Levin, Senior Strategist
S. T. Cohen, Phillipe Leber, Alex Breitman, Development Interns
Todd Kimmelman, Shavla Sellars, Major Gift Officers
The Mystery of Israel
Nineteen hundred years ago, Christ characterized Jerusalem as "Sodom and Egypt" (Rev. 11:8). "Sodom" is synonymous with homosexuality.
Judaism's false messiah, anti-Christ, in the book of Ezekiel, is described as the "profane prince of Israel" (Ezek. 21:25). He is also described as "having no regard for the desire of women" (Dan. 11:37). As Christ was celibate, so this diabolical mimic of all of Christ's attributes will abstain from sex with a woman-yet for the wrong reason: he is a Jewish homosexual.
Judaism's dalliance with homosexuality has existed for a long time, and will continue, until "Sodom and Egypt" of the future, like Sodom of the past, will be desolated by fire (Rev. 17:16).
Yet, from the unspeakable wickedness of liberal Jewish activism today, Christ will raise up a purified remnant of Jews who will trust in Him as passionately as their fathers reviled Him.
Most Christians know that in rejecting and crucifying Christ, Israel fell from grace into apostasy. What they don't comprehend is the abysmal depth and darkness of that apostasy! They do not really perceive what Christ meant when He said to the Jews, "Your house is left unto you desolate" (Matt. 23:38).
At the same time, the mortal mind can't truly comprehend the astounding grace of Christ to redeem and resurrect the descendants of today's anti-Christ Jewish activists.
St. Paul calls the whole saga of Israel a "mystery" (Rom. 11:25). God hasn't allowed Judaism to become so evil in order to confirm the claim of anti-Semites-that Jews are the most degenerate of races. Rather, the "mystery" of their apostasy, and eventual redemption, testifies to His astonishing mercy.
If He will someday resurrect a whole nation from the most abysmal spiritual darkness, then who are you and I to think our sins too black for Him to cleanse? As He will restore the repentant remnant to His favor for a thousand years (See, "Bible Prophecy Made Simple"), each one of us, though we may have alienated Him very deeply, can find intimate friendship with Him now and for eternity. How? By repenting and trusting Him for the rest of our lives.
This is the whole purpose of our existence-to discover the One who created us and become His friend forever.
Someday, the Jewish remnant will indeed come to Christ, after enduring the greatest suffering in the history of mankind.
That's not necessary for you. You can trust Him now.
Endnotes:
*Likely but not certain to be a Jewish name
1
Central Conference of American Rabbis (CCAR) Responsum, 1996, plus comment by Rabbi Eric Yoffie, quoted by Religious Action Center of Reformed Judaism.
2
Forward, "Key Rabbis Say Conservative Judaism Will Lift Gay Ban," Jennifer Siegel, Aug 25, 2006.
3
Sanhedrin 52b asserts that sex with a minor is exempt from punishment.
4
Sanhedrin 69b says sex with a boy of younger than eight is not really sex.
5
Sanhedrin 55a says pederasty with a boy younger than nine is morally neutral.
Kethuboth 11b states underage boys can't throw guilt on those who sexually assault them.
7
The Talmud relates how Moses ascended to heaven and there beheld Rabbi Akiba (still unborn) expounding the Torah "in a wondrous manner" (Menachoth 29b). By majority decision, the most eminent Talmudic rabbis could overturn anything Moses said. If a particular rabbi was acclaimed by his fellow Pharisees as the greatest of that generation, then "he is, by virtue of his position as chief of the courts of justice, invested with the same authority as Moses (Sifra, Deut. 1:53; R. H. 25ab). Even when they decide that left should be right, or right left, when they are mistaken, or misled in their judgment, they must be obeyed (R. H. 25a). Heaven itself kneels to the authority of the earthly court of justice" ("Authority," Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 337).
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Rev. Ted Pike is director of the National Prayer Network, a Christian/conservative watchdog organization.
Learn much more about the threat of liberal Jewish activism at www.google.com. Google's video site shows Rev. Pike's videos, The Other Israel, Hate Laws: Making Criminals of Christians, and Why the Mid-East Bleeds, in their entirety, free of charge.
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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Red Jones, Diana (#0)

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-23   18:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

Sick shit if you ask me ... I think the Jews are a strange lot, but their Rabbis are even weirder !

"eventus stultorum magister"

Fools must be taught by experience

noone222  posted on  2006-09-23   19:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#0)

Duh.

Just look at the last Superman movie.

Jack Sparrow's a tough call.


I hate it when they ain't been shaved.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-23   19:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#1)

It's for this reason that Jewish Bolshevik Bella Kuhn, conquering Hungary after the Russian Revolution in 1917, force-fed homosexuality into the curriculum of public education, transforming Hungary's youth into moral degenerates.

I have to say I'm one of those people who believe homosexuality is born, not a choice, and from the beginning of time there have always been homosexuals. There have been societies who have elevated their status, but in the long run you just can't turn a bunch of heterosexual people into homos.

I've known gay people in my life and I never had trouble with them, though I must admit I never felt comfortable around real butch lesbians as they are very different and somehow a man/woman combination. I find it hard to relate to them.

But I seriously doubt anyone can be converted to homosexuality. There are all kinds of sins but there are people who focus especially against homos.

Child molesters are another story.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-23   21:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#2)

Sick shit if you ask me ... I think the Jews are a strange lot, but their Rabbis are even weirder !

I just read a book about the ancient Aztecs and their society, it was totally WEIRD. They felt they had to please the sun god and this could only be done by taking live people and cutting them open while fully conscious and removing their still-beating heart. The special preists who did this would rub the victim's blood throughout their hair (I bet they didn't smell very good) and they expanded their empire, mostly to find new victims to sacrifice to their sun god. It's estimated they killed 20,000 people a year. Often they would put them in cages for long periods of times before painting their bodies and taking them up the ceremonial steps leading up to their slaughter.

There has been all kinds of really strange shit in ancient societies.

Once I read all the hundreds of laws of Judaism, which was written a very long time ago, and I forget the details, but if someone did a certain transgression, the punishment was that a calf had to be brought by a riverside, and it's neck broken. Very strange stuff. That's my new hobby reading about odd civilizations and their strange customs.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-23   21:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Diana (#4) (Edited)

Child molesters are another story.

Homosexuals, who make up less than two percent of the population, are responsible for at least one-third of all child sex crimes. That is really why people oppose homosexuality -- because so many of them are pedophiles and pederasts.

Then there's the fact that less-than-two-percent of the population is responsible for two-thirds of all AIDS cases. Homosexuals are filthy.

Disease-ridden child molesters -- that, in four words, is why all societies have in varying degrees condemned homosexuality.

"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-09-23   21:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#0)

Dear God.

Chicken bump, I guess.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-23   21:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Diana (#5)

They felt they had to please the sun god and this could only be done by taking live people and cutting them open while fully conscious and removing their still-beating heart. Th

I have been in the sacrifical tower in Palanque where there is the slab on which the butchery you described took place.

Bernal Diez, Lt. of Cortez and one of four literate men of the expedition, writes of the stench and horror of the victims remains, that seemed to be pitched below the gutting tables of Mexico City, tho I have some doubts of the accuracy of his account of that practice (Mexico City was far cleaner than most any European city of the time, it seems unlikely to me the Aztecs would have allowed the rotting carnage to exist).

tom007  posted on  2006-09-23   21:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin, Red Jones, Diana (#1)

We should send this to everyone on our e-mail lists, and have everyone send it to Pat Robertson. He has always said that the last sign before God destroys a nation, is its rampant practice of homosexuality. He would want to warn his followers about how these perverts are going to bring God's wrath down on all of us, I am sure :)

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-28   16:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

He has always said that the last sign before God destroys a nation, is its rampant practice of homosexuality.

From the Archaic Age (776-479 BC) all the way down to the victory of Christianity (4th-6th centuries A.D.), homosexuality was widespread in Ancient Greece. That's a matter of several centuries, obviously, but the period when it was most widespread was the Archaic Age, which was at the start of this long stretch, and which culminated in the Greek victories in the Persian Wars. Not exactly a decadent society on the verge of collapse.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-28   16:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: aristeides (#10)

Tell him how the Spartans used to do same gender sexual relationships, that will really curl his hair.

Homosexual people are every bit as sane and normal as everyone else. They just have one small difference from heterosexual people well within the range of normal human sexuality.

If someone is gay or lesbian that is a whatever with me. I don't care what some consenting adults do with other consenting adults. It's none of my business. It is none of the business of the haters either.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-09-28   16:42:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: aristeides (#10)

I think it was true of the fall of Rome. It has certainly been taught that way.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-28   18:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: aristeides, Ferret Mike, robin (#10)

Not exactly a decadent society

God might disagree with you. Here's a little history, if you want to figure it out.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec009.html#13

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Zec/9/13.html

Tracing Dan - Part 1 Chapt 1 Among the earliest settlers in Greece were Danites who left Egypt as soon as ... Around 650 BCE, Greeks from Sparta (Tribe of Dan-- "Danaans" in Homer's The ... http://www.uhcg.org/Lost-10-Tribes/tracing-dan1.html -

British-Israel.us - Lesson 28 - Were the Greeks Israelites? Were Jason and the Argonauts Danites? Was Sybil an Israelite prophetess? ... All Greeks were called "DANAANS" by Homer (Strabo 12:8:7) even though many were ... www.british-israel.us/28.html -

Sea Peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaTextual and archaeological records show that Greek and Egyptian state ... This constrasts with the Bible, which identifies the Danites of the Bible as ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea _Peoples -

Keith Hunt - Migration of DanCyrus Gordon added, "Virgil also designated the Greeks as 'Danai.' Bold scholars see the influence of the Danites in Irish folk lore ... and in the name of ... http://www.keithhunt.com/Danites.ht ml -

Weekly Article (Associates for Biblical Research)Jacobovici conjectures that Greeks referred to as Danoi by Homer are Danites who migrated to Greece after the Exodus. Since the Tribe of Dan helped make the ... http://abr.christia nanswers.net/articles/article.html -

America & Britain in Prophecy by Raymond F. McNair Chapter 2Jones (Bronze Age Civilization--The Philistines and the Danites). He traces the Danaans, a name that the famed Greek poet Homer often used for all Greeks, ... http://www.cog21.org/abp/America% 20& %20Britain%20in%20Prophecy%20Chapter%202.htm -

Brit-Am Now 547At all events the Greek account may be understood as saying that a small number of DANITES came to Greece, intermarried with local rulers, gave their name ... http://www.britam.org/now/547Now.ht ml -

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Gen 37:2 — These [are] the generations of Jacob. Joseph, [being] seventeen years old, was feeding the flock with his brethren; and the lad [was] with the sons of Bilhah, and with the sons of Zilpah, his father's wives: and Joseph brought unto his father their evil report.

Gen 35:25 And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali:

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Gen/37/2.html

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**** THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN. THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST. by. Janet Moser. ". . .the snorting of his horses was heard from ... http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html -

Israel's Lost Tribes **** Israel's chief rabbis believe they are descended from the lost tribe of Dan. Others say they are descended from King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. ... http://www.infoplease.com/spo t/israel1.html -

NOVA Online | Lost Tribes of Israel | Where are the Ten Lost Tribes? Ever since the Assyrians exiled the Lost Tribes of Israel in the eighth century ... of the tribes of Israel, namely, the tribe of Dan, the tribe of Zevulun, ... http://www.pbs.org/wg bh/nova/israel/losttribes.html -

NOVA Online | Lost Tribes of Israel | Where are the Ten Lost ...Where are the Ten Lost Tribes? Part 3 | Back to Part 2 ... Over the centuries, the Beta Israel have been connected with the tribe of Dan. ... http://www.pbs.org/w gbh/nova/israel/losttribes3.html -

Ten Lost Tribes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Some members of Beta Israel as well as several Jewish scholars believe they are descended from the lost Tribe of Dan, as opposed to the traditional story. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki /Ten_Lost_Tribes -

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"....In an irony to Jewish history, could the tribe of Dan have gone to Greece and later to Rome? Could descendents of Dan have actually been involved with all the holocausts of Jewish history (Greek, Roman, Inquisition and Nazi Germany)?...."

".....Tribe of Dan

Israel's Biggest Nightmare?

Could the tribe of Dan have gone to Greece via Lebanon and later to Rome?

According to the ancient Greek "story" the Iliad by Homer, the founder of Troy was named Dardanus. Dardanus had a son named Erichthonius, who had a son named Tros, who was the namesake of the ancient Trojans and of their capital city of Troy.

Tros has three sons, Ilus, Ganymede, and Assaracus. Priam. the reigning kink of the Trojans, was of the line of Ilus. Aeneas, founder of the Roman Empire, was a prince of the royal house of Assaracus. Ganymede was the great- grandson of Dardanus. According to Homer's Iliad (Book V), Zeus kidnapped the prince, Ganymede. Zeus wanted Ganymede to be a special cup-bearer to the gods (which may be a clue to the origin of the legend of the so-called Holy Grail).

The Iliad does not relate how Zeus carried off Ganymede, but there is an ancient Roman mosaic showing Ganymede, the Trojan prince, being carried off by Zeus, who had taken the form of an eagle. Here is a possible clue to connect the progenitors of the ancient Trojans with the tribe of Dan, who had adopted the eagle as their insignia.

Zeus was sometimes pictured as an eagle, but at other times he was pictured as a serpent to whom offerings of honey were made. Here appears yet another clue. We have the symbol of a snake (the first insignia of Dan) to whom offerings of honey were made!! The honey could be a reference to the bees in Samson's riddle. Over the centuries some of the Spartans (earlier populated by Trojans) and Trojans migrated to southern France, and into Germany. In the Apocryphal book I Maccabees there is an account about the Spartans of southern Greece claiming they were related to the Jewish people and were, in fact, the stock of Abraham. A letter from the king of the Spartans to the Jewish high priest in Jerusalem is most revealing:

"Areus, king of the Spartans, to Onias, the high priest, greetings. It has been discovered in a document concerning the Spartans and Jews that they are brothers, and are of the race of Abraham" (I Maccabees 12:20-21). The first century Historian Flavius Josephus also records this letter in his writings. Four symbols are used in the Bible concerning the Danites; a serpent, an eagle, a lion, and the bees. In the story of Samson we find the famous riddle of the bees who made honey in the carcass of a lion which had been killed by Samson. The symbolic nature of the bees could represent the concept that the descendents of the tribe of Dan would one day try to bring about the destruction of the tribe of Judah, whose symbol was the lion. Of interest, throughout the centuries, the Merovingian (European) royalty have for centuries been tied to the symbol of bees.

When Moses gave his prophecies of the 12 tribes, he said that Benjamin would "dwell between the shoulders of Judah" (Deuteronomy 33:12), and that Dan, "as a lion's whelp, would leap from Bashan" (Deuteronomy 33:22). Bashan was located in ancient Lebanon. That Mosaic prediction came to pass when the tribe of Dan was deprived of its territory adjacent to Judah, moved north to Lebanon, and established its territory in Bashan. From there the Danites made a symbolic leap into obscurity (Europe; Germany? Denmark? Danube River? Irish Tuatha de Danann? Rome? Greece?).

In Judges 18 the tribe of Dan established an idolatrous religion - the worship of the sun and moon.

Has Dan plotted and perpetrated most of Israel's Sufferings?

Of interest in the Bible is Genesis 16-17 that says;

Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

"Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward"

In Revelation 7 all of the tribes are listed (within the figure of 144,000 Israelites), except the Tribe of Dan. Can it be that Dan will produce the AntiChrist? In describing the coming Antichrist, in Daniel 11:37 we read; "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all"

See much more about the lost tribe of Dan in the below fascinating book.

Reference about the tribe of Dan above:

"Guardians of the Grail" by J. R. Church:

Caution: Satan enters in to all God's Truth to turn us aside. Some have succumbed to Satan and taken this information to it's worst possible end; White Supremacy. They listen to the Satanic lie and see themselves The Elite Chosen People of God. The Lost Tribes teaching is supposed to end in glorifying GOD, not man."

http://bibleprobe.com/lost.htm

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see the Lost Tribe of Dan and the Noahide Law at watch.pair.com.

Under the Noahide Laws It has been pointed out that the second Noahide Law which prohibits ... Under the Courts of Law section of the Noahide Laws is stated: "A person may be ... www.watch.pair.com/law.html

[Rabbi Schneerson and the Noahide Laws, Judges, and Courts which will replace ours. Christianity, same sex, out. Homosexuality In]. http://www.cephas- library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html

Amo 8:14 — They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Amo/8/14.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-29   13:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)

None of your start with the conclusion and build to justify it long windedness does nothing to counter the strong, impartial and peer tested studies by the APA.

Homosexuality is something always with our species and is never going away. You can fight human nature all you want, but some men are always going to be sexually imprinted to seek sex with peers of the same gender and the same is with women.

It is proven to be normal, ethical, and is not going away. I do not support using people to build a wedge issue to try to scare people into accepting flawed religious and political agendas.

People who are homosexual are normal in every way and the APA studies showed this so convincingly that homosexuality is not listed in any way as a mental disorder. It has nothing to do with pedophilia, or does it promote the development of character flaws or exacerbate a person's normal character flaws and quirks of which all humans have plenty of.

Just because a person's preferences in anything do not match my own, I do not condemn them merely because I don't have the same interests or desires they do. It would behoove you to learn to do the same, you are the one making yourself conflicted on this topic, not anyone else.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-09-29   14:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

None of your start with the conclusion and build to justify it long windedness does nothing to counter the strong, impartial and peer tested studies by the APA. ....

Homosexuality is something always with our species and is never going away. You can fight human nature all you want, but some men are always going to be sexually imprinted to seek sex with peers of the same gender and the same is with women.

It is proven to be normal, ethical, and is not going away. I do not support using people to build a wedge issue to try to scare people into accepting flawed religious and political agendas....

I do not condemn them merely because I don't have the same interests or desires they do. It would behoove you to learn to do the same, you are the one making yourself conflicted on this topic, not anyone else.

Had a family crisis, and couldn't get back to this. In fact, still only have a very little time.....

If you are referring to the whack jobs that make up the American Psychiatric Association, check out THE MEN BEHIND HITLER at http://toolan.com for a lesson on how the psycho-psychiatrists worked hand in hand with Hitler and the eugenicists. Maybe the psychiatrists are part of God's revenge. I had I think 3 psychology professors in college one year, for ONE COURSE, 2 of whom didn't finish out the year, just got a message on the blackboard from admin saying they had been admitted to the psychiatric hospital. The ADA does not impress me. Sorry.

Because you reject God, you lack understanding that this is not normal, and will be abolished, like it was at Sodom and Gomorrah, which He destroyed for sodomy. It is obviously something He won't countenance. Jesus, the same yesterday, today, and forever. It is He who is not going away. It would behoove you to learn that, but you probably won't. Not in time, anyway. But that's your problem, not mine. As Paul said, My hands are clean. I tried to warn you.

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For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness....... Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves. who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. [note in particular, the golden calves at Dan and Bethel] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and like-wise woman, burned in their lust one towards another; men with men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another; receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [sounds like the Fascists who killed homosexuals in Nazi Germany, and who run CorpUSA http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=35770 ] who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:18-32.

It makes no difference whether I condemn them or not, and that is not my job; God already has, unless they repent and seek His grace.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-10-04   17:16:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

It is proven to be normal, ethical...

"Proven" by whom? What are their names?

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

"I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been." Ferret Mike

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-10-04   17:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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