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Published: Aug 15, 2007
Author: 2cb
Post Date: 2007-08-15 08:15:25 by 2cb
Keywords: resistance, freedom4um, posts
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shouldn't this be a place where there is information on how to actively engage in resistance, both offensive and defensive? :) i am suggesting that more posts be made on informing people on methods and strategies. everyone everywhere is telling us all the bad news - but personally, i can't do anything with bad news - anger, outrage, and depression don't work in our favor - talk is cheap. we really need to be serious - we are 100 years too late already. we need to take action, and have fun doing it. the courts need to be jammed with license resistors that have winning arguments, the system needs to be taxed so the clueless feel some more taxes (better sooner than later), people need to stop funding it all with their monies, people need to learn how to get out of it all, new local economies need to be created, the system needs to get tied up with it's own ropes by people that are taking a stand for freedom ... it's better to help collapse the corrupt system under it's own weight now, while there is (possibly) time, rather than to wait for God or Jesus to save us after there is no chance. freedom is like brains and muscles - if you don't exercise it, you lose it. "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps. NOTE: Interestingly, Solzhenitsyn, said in his Gulag Archipelago series, that when asked by other inmates what his time and crime were, he would say "10 years, for nothing", and the reply would be an incredulous "but the time for nothing is 5 years!".
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#13. To: who knows what evil (#12)
Little town I lived in several years ago used paper ballots for its local elections. The day the results were announced, a local reporter alleged that he found boxes full of uncounted ballots at the city dump which were subsequently taken from him by unnamed individuals and the state attorney general was notified, however he declined to investigate the claim and the results stood. Then there's Mexico's election last July, which was done mostly by paper ballot and was proven to be completely rigged. They got away with it. Interestingly, the entire story was blacked out in the US media.
Agreed. We need to stop marking off the time lapse to doom and start gumming up the system. It would be good if people could share some specific ideas on how to start that ball rolling. Damn 2cb, I LIKE the way you think. Maybe it's cause I think that way too. (RS) OK. Lets start with licenses. On to creating our own local economies. Now for the quit funding it with their monies and getting out of it all. Lastly let me say that in doing any of the above you are very likely to find yourself in court on more than one occasion as a defendant. Since statistics show that defendants with a hired attorney only "win" 6% of the time in court, whereas those representing themselves pro-se win nearly 12% of the time - you have 2 choices. You'll either need a good lawyer (see my tagline), OR you'll need to do it yourself which entails learning a lot of legal/law issues. Here is where I would probably recommend attending George Gordon's law school. You can find out more about his law school at http://www.georgegordon.com
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. I've tried. So have others. I think most forum posters fall into the keyboard warrior catagory. I think I'm the only one on this forum that tracks legislation. I've posted threads on legislation on LP and FR. No one cares. I created a political forum for California, couldn't get anyone interested in it. The idea was not only to post articles like is done here but to couple that with current legislation and plans to fight it. No one even visited the site let alone join and post. I've gone to fish and game meetings, joined other groups interested in legislation, tried to get them to work together. I ended up feeling like I was beating my head against the wall and actually had open opposition to what I was doing. People in those organizations were more interested in personal power than actually doing something constructive. I've become disheatened and disillusioned by it all.
I've certainly tried. There was legislation here in CA that would have required ID to vote. Couldn't get anyone interested in it. Not even the Grange when they had policy on it. Information came from me and the PTB think I'm a threat. NO one cares. There is always a lot of talk, a lot of people pounding keyboards. Not a damned thing happening.
YES. Skip marriage licenses, which are simply permission slips to procreate little state widgets. Skip birth certificates which designate children as state owned widgets. Skip business licenses. Find a local niche and fill it independently. Skip driver's licenses, know your rights and be ready to defend them. Rescind Social Security numbers, which remain the property of SSA and are not mandatory for the holders, but hold them liable for a losing proposition. Skip doing business with national and international corporations. Develop local products and currencies!!! None of these actions (and more) will be easy or without tremendous potential repurcussion, however doing business as usual hasn't worked out too well for us, either. Documentation and certification is designed to benefit the corp.gov. only, not us. Unfortunately, convincing people of that fact can be compared to hand pushing boulders uphill in August. Even so, we have to teach the three "R's" ... Rescind, revoke and reject. And personally, I'd like to see a couple more "R's" thrown into the new curriculum ... revolt and rebel.
You can't know if anyone was interested enough to vote for or against anything because you don't COUNT the votes. Playing by their rules of the game (voting) isn't going to change anything because the people you refer to as TPTB control the vote count. They are only TPTB because we continue to play their game by their rules.
When you put up a thread talking about it and no one even looks at the thread...that tells me people are not interested. You put up an article and you'll get a bunch of people pounding their keyboard but not one will pick up a phone and call their representative.
If your representative represents someone besides the people and the people know that, whether consciously or subliminally, why would they bother to pick up a phone to call him. Or even post on your thread about it. Representatives get where they are on the backs of the people who pay their way ... and that ain't us. Guess who they're gonna listen to. We've been trying to fix our problems the same old easy way for so many decades now with the same obvious results, so you'd have to expect people would finally catch on. Its an ILLUSION.
Sorry I'm not buying that one. I've had too personal success in my lobbying efforts to believe that. Especially when posters sit and rant about how something should be done on thread after thread after thread.
The reps are going to listen to those corporations and organizations that fund them - they could care less what the people of a state or a country wish or want. Both the TX house and senate overwhelmingly voted to put a two year hold on the TransTexas Corridor debacle so that they could try and find out what TxDOT was up to, gov helmethead immediately vetoed the measure. 90% of the public, and 100% of the affected property owners, and everyone with a brain is against this abomination. helmethead went to both the Bilderberg meeting and to Tel Aviv for his blessing this year.
Different strokes. If you've had such success with your lobbying efforts, how are the bills you promoted improving your life? Are the problems you were lobbying about all fixed? Or did a federal judge just strike them down?
Just because I had success doesn't mean the bills passed.
Exactly. How does this fly over the heads of so many people?
I'm sorry, your definition of success and mine don't jive.
Not necessarily true. Your own example proves it. So does the recent immigration bills. It was mass public outcry that stopped them. The hard part is generating that mass outcry.
Everyone I lobbied voted the way I asked them to save one who had already made a decision but listened to me anyway.
Do you think the folks who pushed for amnesty will just fold their tents and go home now? Or do they maybe have an even more aggregious "solution" up their sleeves?
In order for the voting scam to work, it is fundamental that there are representatives on both sides of any given issue. Of course they'll listen to constituants and some will even vote their way, otherwise the needed illusion is flat on its face. That doesn't mean the final desired result hasn't been pre- arranged behind closed doors, or that the result can't be overturned by a politically motivated judge if it accidentally turns out wrong.
Oh I think the average man on the street who is in favor of amnesty is doing it because they feel they are doing the right thing and yes I think they will continue the fight. The puppet masters have other things in mind. They are working towards things like NAU, probably some others we haven't thought of yet.
I agree. Seems they all want change, but don't want to do anything to bring about change. Perhaps what they are failing to realize is that change always starts on a personal level. If you can't change what you are doing, then how in hell are you ever going to force change upon something as big as the whole country??? I think people care, but again - change requires ACTION. Action beyond merely discussing it on a forum. Action starts on a personal level. While the idea of fighting certain "bad" legislation (and personally I feel ALL legislation which goes against the laws laid out in Scripture are bad) is certainly a good idea - not to mention probably a patriotic DUTY - it still leaves us with the quagmire of fighting what may well turn into a losing battle, as Lodwick pointed out in post #22. Look at all the shit BushCo has done. They could care less about congressional approval, legality, or constitutionality; if he wants it bad enough it's just another executive order away. That's why I maintain that the BEST way we have left at our disposal to "fight" is to simply quit playing the game. They've twisted it to become THEIR game, and THEY'VE made the rules, and continue to change the rules all the time to suit their needs. Sure, we MAY make some progress by "calling our representatives" and so on, BUT that is slow and shaky at best.
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. We need to get under helmethead's helmet. A stretch of rope about 8 inches under his helmet would probably be the most effective...
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Couldn't we just shoot one of em every now and then ... they do it ???
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
That's plan B. Plan C is nearly the same, except 'every now and then' is changed to 'daily'...
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Sorry to drop in but I think you'll find this interesting. E-Gold This is a site providing a digital currency wich is at all times backed 100% by gold. With this, you have a easy way to influence people to drop their dependency on fiat money. I'm kinda suprised this didn't turn up sooner in this discussion.
Signing statements have proved most useful also...
You're speakin' my language friend. Where've you been all my life? LOL.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition <..> [Equal and true MSM coverage of Ron Paul will never happen. If it does, that means he's been corrupted. That's how controlled the MSM is.]
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Non-coverage of Ron Paul is only symptomatic of the long time corruption of MSM. Can you imagine picking up any major daily paper or turning on the tube and learning anything about the fraudulent creation of the Federal Reserve and internal revenue, or discovering the truth about how federal citizenship doesn't exist other than as public policy? The "accepted" media wasn't telling the truth about these vital pieces of information when they were first being foisted upon a hapless public and they sure as hell aren't telling it now. The truth has always been referred to by yellow journalists as "yellow journalism".
Expound on that please :)
Why are you apologising? Don't mean to be a wet blanket, but any method of commerce that relies on the internet or telecommunications makes me shiver, not only because we could lose those services in the blink of an eye, but also because they're so vulnerable to hacking and tracking.
When congress sends legislation to smirk, and he adds a few notes "explaining" what the bill really means.
Ahhhh, the "smirking decider" strikes.
well, this is my first post on this board and just dropping in and posting to a website comes close to spamming. I realise that there are disadvantages. And I can understand your feelings. Trust is hard to get, especialy if money is involved. we could lose those services in the blink of an eye not sure what you mean by that. lose the internet? One of the design goals for the darpa project which is now known as the internet was to establish a communication network that would still be operating after a nuclear strike. So, if the internet is out, there wont be much left to talk about. Guess you mean this specific service. How could you lose this service? Even if the main server would be taken out, be it by law or accident, another one could be up in less than 24 hours, a continent away. But even if that were to happen, there are many digital currencies avaible, as long as you dont use a single one, you should be safe. Also, there would be no need to keep your whole savings in this. You deposit an amount in there you can feel safe with. If you want to redeem your e-gold to real gold, you can do that anytime. As for hacking, yeah, thats a problem. With e-gold, you get a account number and a password. Once the password is gone, your money is gone too. As for tracking, thats not as big an isssue as you think. You can have any number of accounts, which are not connected by you in any way. There is no easy way to identify you as a certain user of this service. There are many ways of getting money in and out of the system. No single point of failure. So, on the plus side, you have a currency that is backed by gold. Its easy to transfer it, can be changed back anytime and compared to your regular bank account, is way more anonymous. If you follow that link you see the form that allows you to transfer money to me :) if you had an account. Now, Im not asking for money here, but if you know a better way to get gold from one place to the other tell me. You won't see any of my account information, who I am, or how much I have in my account and neither does the FED. Now, this was a long post. Im not telling you to be all over this. Just giv it a chance. Get your friends, create one or two accounts each, say about 50$ in total, try to send money with it. But more importantly, spread the word
au contraire! we're glad you've joined us..welcome to 4. ;)
ping to SkyRat's post regarding E-Gold..your opinions please?
I prefer either Pecunix or GoldMoney. For more info on digital gold currencies in general, see the Wikipedia article.
pass along stories of rigged elections, and to encourage people to use a paper ballot.
#14. To: RidinShotgun, 2cb, lodwick, ALL (#1)
we really need to be serious - we are 100 years too late already. we need to take action, and have fun doing it. the courts need to be jammed with license resistors that have winning arguments, the system needs to be taxed so the clueless feel some more taxes (better sooner than later), people need to stop funding it all with their monies, people need to learn how to get out of it all, new local economies need to be created, the system needs to get tied up with it's own ropes by people that are taking a stand for freedom ... it's better to help collapse the corrupt system under it's own weight now, while there is (possibly) time, rather than to wait for God or Jesus to save us after there is no chance.
Agreed. We need to stop marking off the time lapse to doom and start gumming up the system. It would be good if people could share some specific ideas on how to start that ball rolling.
1. Marriage licenses. If you're NOT married yet but are planning on getting married in the future - DON'T get a ML. See how simple this is? IF you get a ML, you have just invited a "3rd party into your marriage - the StateInc.
2. Business license. If you're starting a business, DON'T get a BL. If you do all you're doing is volunteering to become a tax collector for the StateInc, not to mention creating a big headache of "paperwork hassles" for yourself to fill out every so often. How do you conduct your "business"? Through private contract with INDIVIDUALS only. I have a friend that started a restaurant without a BL. Down the road the state comptroller sent him a notice that he owed "xxx" in sales tax he had failed to report. He notified them that since he had not registered with them (ie, gotten a BL) he didn't charge nor collect sales tax. They responded by filling one out for him!!! He responded by initiating a Federal lawsuit against them for forging an official document and fraud. They responded by promptly dropping the matter and he never heard from them again.
3. Drivers license. A little trickier, this one is practically guaranteed to land you in front of a court. (That IS the idea though right - tie up the courts with things like this?) Again just DON'T get one. IF you already HAVE one (and damned near everybody falls into this category), you'll need to rescind it. I just posted an article describing how a guy in NM did this...
Here in our small town, several of us have been edging our way away from the Federal Reserve Note scam, and endeavoring to use the REAL currency our government mints every work day - gold and (especially) silver coin. Our local grocer now takes them as do several other businesses (including mine). We offer an "incentive" to people to use silver. For instance, if I charge say $40/hr for my services I also give the option of paying with 2 ozs of silver. They can purchase the silver from the grocer for $18/oz. This gives them a "break" over my hourly rate. I can then sell the silver to the grocer (or use it to purchase groceries) at a slightly lower rate than he sells it at, BUT still at a considerably higher rate than spot. Yes, there is some "give and take" involved for all parties involved; BUT all parties are benefiting from actually having in their possession something tangible which will help them preserve their purchasing power when the real crunch hits... We are working towards getting more people and businesses involved. We are also encouraging more "buy it local" on everything from hardware to food as opposed to going the 30 mile trip to the nearest WallyWorld...
The above paragraph is a good start. But the REAL deal is to get out of the Social(ist) Security System/ponzy scheme/fraud. This one seemingly little innocent thing is what binds you to them in the chains of slavery. It is what ties you to their income tax scheme/fraud. The SS fraud could probably be challenged in court (as a way out of it) using the argument of performance of contract - ie make them prove that the purchasing power of the "dollars" returned to you later on will be equal to what you "put in" during your "working years". BUT, there are other ways. One is their OWN form SS521 - removal of your SS application. This dis-attaches you from their number (once a number is assigned and even 1¢ is paid in on that "account" it is never rescinded from the system), which effectively removes you from the system. Another (harder but perhaps better) way is to construct a notice to them that you no longer wish to participate, along with your reasons (mark of the Beast is a good one), and demand out. This must be mailed via registered return receipt requested to quite a few parties. I do know this method works, as opposed to the other methods. For instance, the SS521 must be approved by them...
Steven Wright
#15. To: 2cb (#0)
shouldn't this be a place where there is information on how to actively engage in resistance, both offensive and defensive?
#16. To: who knows what evil, RidinShotgun (#9)
We ceratinly need to raise hell aboout our rigged elections.
#17. To: innieway (#14)
#18. To: farmfriend (#16)
There was legislation here in CA that would have required ID to vote. Couldn't get anyone interested in it. Not even the Grange when they had policy on it. Information came from me and the PTB think I'm a threat. NO one cares.
#19. To: RidinShotgun (#18)
#20. To: farmfriend (#19)
#21. To: RidinShotgun (#20)
#22. To: RidinShotgun, farm friend, all (#20)
When you put up a thread talking about it and no one even looks at the thread...that tells me people are not interested. You put up an article and you'll get a bunch of people pounding their keyboard but not one will pick up a phone and call their representative.
#23. To: farmfriend (#21)
#24. To: RidinShotgun (#23)
#25. To: lodwick (#22)
#26. To: farmfriend (#24)
Just because I had success doesn't mean the bills passed.
#27. To: lodwick (#22)
The reps are going to listen to those corporations and organizations that fund them - they could care less what the people of a state or a country wish or want.
#28. To: RidinShotgun (#26)
I'm sorry, your definition of success and mine don't jive.
#29. To: farmfriend (#27)
the recent immigration bills
#30. To: farmfriend (#28)
#31. To: RidinShotgun (#29)
Do you think the folks who pushed for amnesty will just fold their tents and go home now? Or do they maybe have an even more aggregious "solution" up their sleeves?
#32. To: farmfriend (#15)
I think most forum posters fall into the keyboard warrior catagory.
I think I'm the only one on this forum that tracks legislation. ... No one cares.
The idea was not only to post articles like is done here but to couple that with current legislation and plans to fight it.
Steven Wright
#33. To: lodwick (#22)
Both the TX house and senate overwhelmingly voted to put a two year hold on the TransTexas Corridor debacle so that they could try and find out what TxDOT was up to, gov helmethead immediately vetoed the measure. 90% of the public, and 100% of the affected property owners, and everyone with a brain is against this abomination.
Steven Wright
#34. To: innieway (#32)
That's why I maintain that the BEST way we have left at our disposal to "fight" is to simply quit playing the game. They've twisted it to become THEIR game, and THEY'VE made the rules, and continue to change the rules all the time to suit their needs. Sure, we MAY make some progress by "calling our representatives" and so on, BUT that is slow and shaky at best.
#35. To: noone222 (#34)
Couldn't we just shoot one of em every now and then
Steven Wright
#36. To: innieway, RidinShotgun, 2cb, lodwick, ALL (#14)
Here in our small town, several of us have been edging our way away from the Federal Reserve Note scam, and endeavoring to use the REAL currency our government mints every work day - gold and (especially) silver coin.
#37. To: RidinShotgun, farmfriend, innieway, all (#30)
That doesn't mean the final desired result hasn't been pre- arranged behind closed doors, or that the result can't be overturned by a politically motivated judge if it accidentally turns out wrong.
#38. To: 2cb (#0)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#39. To: RidinShotgun (#10)
The cynic in me says equal media coverage for Ron Paul....be a true miracle
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#40. To: IndieTX (#39)
[Equal and true MSM coverage of Ron Paul will never happen. If it does, that means he's been corrupted. That's how controlled the MSM is.]
#41. To: lodwick (#37)
Signing statements have proved most useful also...
#42. To: SkyRat (#36)
Sorry to drop in but I think you'll find this interesting. E-Gold
#43. To: RidinShotgun (#41)
#44. To: lodwick (#43)
#45. To: RidinShotgun (#42)
Why are you apologising?
#46. To: SkyRat (#45)
well, this is my first post on this board and just dropping in and posting to a website comes close to spamming.
#47. To: SkyRat, Arete, Elliott Jackalope, DeaconBenjamin, Axenolith, mirage, imawit, orangedog, Tauzero, sourcery, purpleman (#45)
#48. To: christine (#47)
 | Government Warning: The Attorney General has determined that Federal Regulation may be hazardous to your health |
#49. To: christine (#47)
If you don't have possession of your gold, the Feds can shut them down and you'll be out of luck. They're already going after at least one of these online "gold money" guys. I don't like anything that I can't get a hold of or that the Feds can just take away by shutting down the vendor and screwing the customer. I even hold actual stock certificates when I can. Best thing about holding physical is that, even if someone knows you have it, you 'went to Vegas' and 'lost big' - all gone!
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#50. To: christine, Arete, orangedog (#47)
Thanks a lot ^-^ However, I have to admit that, while I'm new at 4, I know some of you guys. Here check this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1043809/ posts?q=1&;page=51 post 71 Ive been following Market WrapUp threads from FR to LP to 4um.
au contraire! we're glad you've joined us..welcome to 4. ;)
#51. To: sourcery, RidinShotgun (#48)
Aye, those are good As I said, its not a single service.
I prefer either Pecunix or GoldMoney.
#52. To: christine (#47)
It won't be there when you most need it. Otherwise, I agree with sourcery. In the long run, the most important capital you have is what's between your ears, and in your breast.
regarding E-Gold..
Let's make our music match the composer's joyful mood, while we look like a sharp quartet.
#53. To: SkyRat (#50)
ah ha ;)
Ive been following Market WrapUp threads from FR to LP to 4um.
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