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Title: Resistance
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Published: Aug 15, 2007
Author: 2cb
Post Date: 2007-08-15 08:15:25 by 2cb
Keywords: resistance, freedom4um, posts
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Comments: 78
shouldn't this be a place where there is information on how to actively engage in resistance, both offensive and defensive? :) i am suggesting that more posts be made on informing people on methods and strategies. everyone everywhere is telling us all the bad news - but personally, i can't do anything with bad news - anger, outrage, and depression don't work in our favor - talk is cheap. we really need to be serious - we are 100 years too late already. we need to take action, and have fun doing it. the courts need to be jammed with license resistors that have winning arguments, the system needs to be taxed so the clueless feel some more taxes (better sooner than later), people need to stop funding it all with their monies, people need to learn how to get out of it all, new local economies need to be created, the system needs to get tied up with it's own ropes by people that are taking a stand for freedom ... it's better to help collapse the corrupt system under it's own weight now, while there is (possibly) time, rather than to wait for God or Jesus to save us after there is no chance. freedom is like brains and muscles - if you don't exercise it, you lose it. "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever was at hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt." -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize winner and author of The Gulag Archipelago, who spent 11 years in Soviet concentration camps. NOTE: Interestingly, Solzhenitsyn, said in his Gulag Archipelago series, that when asked by other inmates what his time and crime were, he would say "10 years, for nothing", and the reply would be an incredulous "but the time for nothing is 5 years!".
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#23. To: farmfriend (#21)
Different strokes. If you've had such success with your lobbying efforts, how are the bills you promoted improving your life? Are the problems you were lobbying about all fixed? Or did a federal judge just strike them down?
Just because I had success doesn't mean the bills passed.
Exactly. How does this fly over the heads of so many people?
I'm sorry, your definition of success and mine don't jive.
Not necessarily true. Your own example proves it. So does the recent immigration bills. It was mass public outcry that stopped them. The hard part is generating that mass outcry.
Everyone I lobbied voted the way I asked them to save one who had already made a decision but listened to me anyway.
Do you think the folks who pushed for amnesty will just fold their tents and go home now? Or do they maybe have an even more aggregious "solution" up their sleeves?
In order for the voting scam to work, it is fundamental that there are representatives on both sides of any given issue. Of course they'll listen to constituants and some will even vote their way, otherwise the needed illusion is flat on its face. That doesn't mean the final desired result hasn't been pre- arranged behind closed doors, or that the result can't be overturned by a politically motivated judge if it accidentally turns out wrong.
Oh I think the average man on the street who is in favor of amnesty is doing it because they feel they are doing the right thing and yes I think they will continue the fight. The puppet masters have other things in mind. They are working towards things like NAU, probably some others we haven't thought of yet.
I agree. Seems they all want change, but don't want to do anything to bring about change. Perhaps what they are failing to realize is that change always starts on a personal level. If you can't change what you are doing, then how in hell are you ever going to force change upon something as big as the whole country??? I think people care, but again - change requires ACTION. Action beyond merely discussing it on a forum. Action starts on a personal level. While the idea of fighting certain "bad" legislation (and personally I feel ALL legislation which goes against the laws laid out in Scripture are bad) is certainly a good idea - not to mention probably a patriotic DUTY - it still leaves us with the quagmire of fighting what may well turn into a losing battle, as Lodwick pointed out in post #22. Look at all the shit BushCo has done. They could care less about congressional approval, legality, or constitutionality; if he wants it bad enough it's just another executive order away. That's why I maintain that the BEST way we have left at our disposal to "fight" is to simply quit playing the game. They've twisted it to become THEIR game, and THEY'VE made the rules, and continue to change the rules all the time to suit their needs. Sure, we MAY make some progress by "calling our representatives" and so on, BUT that is slow and shaky at best.
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. We need to get under helmethead's helmet. A stretch of rope about 8 inches under his helmet would probably be the most effective...
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Couldn't we just shoot one of em every now and then ... they do it ???
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
That's plan B. Plan C is nearly the same, except 'every now and then' is changed to 'daily'...
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Sorry to drop in but I think you'll find this interesting. E-Gold This is a site providing a digital currency wich is at all times backed 100% by gold. With this, you have a easy way to influence people to drop their dependency on fiat money. I'm kinda suprised this didn't turn up sooner in this discussion.
Signing statements have proved most useful also...
You're speakin' my language friend. Where've you been all my life? LOL.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition <..> [Equal and true MSM coverage of Ron Paul will never happen. If it does, that means he's been corrupted. That's how controlled the MSM is.]
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Non-coverage of Ron Paul is only symptomatic of the long time corruption of MSM. Can you imagine picking up any major daily paper or turning on the tube and learning anything about the fraudulent creation of the Federal Reserve and internal revenue, or discovering the truth about how federal citizenship doesn't exist other than as public policy? The "accepted" media wasn't telling the truth about these vital pieces of information when they were first being foisted upon a hapless public and they sure as hell aren't telling it now. The truth has always been referred to by yellow journalists as "yellow journalism".
Expound on that please :)
Why are you apologising? Don't mean to be a wet blanket, but any method of commerce that relies on the internet or telecommunications makes me shiver, not only because we could lose those services in the blink of an eye, but also because they're so vulnerable to hacking and tracking.
When congress sends legislation to smirk, and he adds a few notes "explaining" what the bill really means.
Ahhhh, the "smirking decider" strikes.
well, this is my first post on this board and just dropping in and posting to a website comes close to spamming. I realise that there are disadvantages. And I can understand your feelings. Trust is hard to get, especialy if money is involved. we could lose those services in the blink of an eye not sure what you mean by that. lose the internet? One of the design goals for the darpa project which is now known as the internet was to establish a communication network that would still be operating after a nuclear strike. So, if the internet is out, there wont be much left to talk about. Guess you mean this specific service. How could you lose this service? Even if the main server would be taken out, be it by law or accident, another one could be up in less than 24 hours, a continent away. But even if that were to happen, there are many digital currencies avaible, as long as you dont use a single one, you should be safe. Also, there would be no need to keep your whole savings in this. You deposit an amount in there you can feel safe with. If you want to redeem your e-gold to real gold, you can do that anytime. As for hacking, yeah, thats a problem. With e-gold, you get a account number and a password. Once the password is gone, your money is gone too. As for tracking, thats not as big an isssue as you think. You can have any number of accounts, which are not connected by you in any way. There is no easy way to identify you as a certain user of this service. There are many ways of getting money in and out of the system. No single point of failure. So, on the plus side, you have a currency that is backed by gold. Its easy to transfer it, can be changed back anytime and compared to your regular bank account, is way more anonymous. If you follow that link you see the form that allows you to transfer money to me :) if you had an account. Now, Im not asking for money here, but if you know a better way to get gold from one place to the other tell me. You won't see any of my account information, who I am, or how much I have in my account and neither does the FED. Now, this was a long post. Im not telling you to be all over this. Just giv it a chance. Get your friends, create one or two accounts each, say about 50$ in total, try to send money with it. But more importantly, spread the word
au contraire! we're glad you've joined us..welcome to 4. ;)
ping to SkyRat's post regarding E-Gold..your opinions please?
I prefer either Pecunix or GoldMoney. For more info on digital gold currencies in general, see the Wikipedia article.
#24. To: RidinShotgun (#23)
#25. To: lodwick (#22)
#26. To: farmfriend (#24)
Just because I had success doesn't mean the bills passed.
#27. To: lodwick (#22)
The reps are going to listen to those corporations and organizations that fund them - they could care less what the people of a state or a country wish or want.
#28. To: RidinShotgun (#26)
I'm sorry, your definition of success and mine don't jive.
#29. To: farmfriend (#27)
the recent immigration bills
#30. To: farmfriend (#28)
#31. To: RidinShotgun (#29)
Do you think the folks who pushed for amnesty will just fold their tents and go home now? Or do they maybe have an even more aggregious "solution" up their sleeves?
#32. To: farmfriend (#15)
I think most forum posters fall into the keyboard warrior catagory.
I think I'm the only one on this forum that tracks legislation. ... No one cares.
The idea was not only to post articles like is done here but to couple that with current legislation and plans to fight it.
Steven Wright
#33. To: lodwick (#22)
Both the TX house and senate overwhelmingly voted to put a two year hold on the TransTexas Corridor debacle so that they could try and find out what TxDOT was up to, gov helmethead immediately vetoed the measure. 90% of the public, and 100% of the affected property owners, and everyone with a brain is against this abomination.
Steven Wright
#34. To: innieway (#32)
That's why I maintain that the BEST way we have left at our disposal to "fight" is to simply quit playing the game. They've twisted it to become THEIR game, and THEY'VE made the rules, and continue to change the rules all the time to suit their needs. Sure, we MAY make some progress by "calling our representatives" and so on, BUT that is slow and shaky at best.
#35. To: noone222 (#34)
Couldn't we just shoot one of em every now and then
Steven Wright
#36. To: innieway, RidinShotgun, 2cb, lodwick, ALL (#14)
Here in our small town, several of us have been edging our way away from the Federal Reserve Note scam, and endeavoring to use the REAL currency our government mints every work day - gold and (especially) silver coin.
#37. To: RidinShotgun, farmfriend, innieway, all (#30)
That doesn't mean the final desired result hasn't been pre- arranged behind closed doors, or that the result can't be overturned by a politically motivated judge if it accidentally turns out wrong.
#38. To: 2cb (#0)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#39. To: RidinShotgun (#10)
The cynic in me says equal media coverage for Ron Paul....be a true miracle
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#40. To: IndieTX (#39)
[Equal and true MSM coverage of Ron Paul will never happen. If it does, that means he's been corrupted. That's how controlled the MSM is.]
#41. To: lodwick (#37)
Signing statements have proved most useful also...
#42. To: SkyRat (#36)
Sorry to drop in but I think you'll find this interesting. E-Gold
#43. To: RidinShotgun (#41)
#44. To: lodwick (#43)
#45. To: RidinShotgun (#42)
Why are you apologising?
#46. To: SkyRat (#45)
well, this is my first post on this board and just dropping in and posting to a website comes close to spamming.
#47. To: SkyRat, Arete, Elliott Jackalope, DeaconBenjamin, Axenolith, mirage, imawit, orangedog, Tauzero, sourcery, purpleman (#45)
#48. To: christine (#47)
 | Government Warning: The Attorney General has determined that Federal Regulation may be hazardous to your health |
#49. To: christine (#47)
If you don't have possession of your gold, the Feds can shut them down and you'll be out of luck. They're already going after at least one of these online "gold money" guys. I don't like anything that I can't get a hold of or that the Feds can just take away by shutting down the vendor and screwing the customer. I even hold actual stock certificates when I can. Best thing about holding physical is that, even if someone knows you have it, you 'went to Vegas' and 'lost big' - all gone!
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
#50. To: christine, Arete, orangedog (#47)
Thanks a lot ^-^ However, I have to admit that, while I'm new at 4, I know some of you guys. Here check this link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1043809/ posts?q=1&;page=51 post 71 Ive been following Market WrapUp threads from FR to LP to 4um.
au contraire! we're glad you've joined us..welcome to 4. ;)
#51. To: sourcery, RidinShotgun (#48)
Aye, those are good As I said, its not a single service.
I prefer either Pecunix or GoldMoney.
#52. To: christine (#47)
It won't be there when you most need it. Otherwise, I agree with sourcery. In the long run, the most important capital you have is what's between your ears, and in your breast.
regarding E-Gold..
Let's make our music match the composer's joyful mood, while we look like a sharp quartet.
#53. To: SkyRat (#50)
ah ha ;)
Ive been following Market WrapUp threads from FR to LP to 4um.
#54. To: farmfriend (#15)
I'm not even that anymore. After my personal experiences and what Red Beckman told me about "spreading the record" for the 9th circuit proving that the 16th amendment was never ratified (He pointed out that I shouldn't say "not PROPERLY ratified" but rather, I should say "not ratified" period) well, I'm fairly certain that we won't beat them in their courts. And as Red also said, there's a race to see which comes first-the collapse of the economy or the grabbing of the guns. The future will be determined by which comes first.
I think most forum posters fall into the keyboard warrior category.
#55. To: mirage (#49)
bling ping
Best thing about holding physical is that, even if someone knows you have it, you 'went to Vegas' and 'lost big' - all gone!
#56. To: SkyRat (#45)
There should be MORE first posts. :<) My comment about losing communications and the internet has more to do with power black outs and outages than the deliberate take down of internet access. All currencies, including gold and silver, are backed by labor and production, without which PMs would still be in the ground, so a fiat paper currency that's openly and directly backed by the labor and production of the people who trade with it is just as functional, if not moreso, than currencies that are commodities such as PMs. IMO, its the fluctuating value of gold and silver on the market that makes them unstable as a currency, whether in their cold hard physical state or as markers. And call me old fashioned, but I'm still a firm believer that a bird in the hand is worth more than a booted up cyber bird that can be traded for goods and services with no accountability for the vendors. I heard a lady complaining the other day about having purchased a product online that turned out to be a complete disaster and she was informed by a talk show lawyer that she has almost no legal means of recouping her losses without spending more in the attempt than she would win. IF she won. If a company is crooked, it doesn't matter whether you pay by pay pal or send egold ... to them, you're just another interstate/global customer with no recourse. I'm sure we've all heard horror stories about rip offs on Ebay. A local company depending on local customers, OTOH, couldn't survive the negative image. Support local merchants and you support your own lifeline.
#57. To: RidinShotgun (#13)
But this paper ballot issue is where you get the citizens involved. Involved by following with vehicles the cars that take the ballot boxes to counting headquarters. There, you follow, with cam corders, of course, the boxes as the trunks are opened and escorted to wherever they're taken. Then, you have count observers there watching everything, including the piles. In times past, there were people from each party who would do the counting--because they were bound and determined to make sure 'their' guy wasn't screwed out of a vote or two. The whole process from beginning to end needs to be observed and followed. Work with the State's Secretary of State to find out what the laws are all about. This office will even put on forums to teach about being poll observers, etc. I know this because I did it. And another thing, both parties have worked diligently together in Congress to assure that only someone from each of those parties make it. Occasionally an independent will make it, but count the numbers and see how many do.....it is because the election laws have been rigged their way. Other parties spend most of their contributions with lawyers trying to get recognized in each state, while the other two have long been recognized and don't have this problem. Paper ballots are the only sure way to assure clean elections--and that is only good if you have the poll observers and the counting room observers, and some mathematicians or calculators that can add and not be afraid to challenge the PTB.
#58. To: farmfriend (#28)
That was my experience, too.....back when our area wanted to succeed from the liberal county we were in, there was no state law to cover such. So off to Helena a bunch of us went. Including the county officials and their hacks on our dime, in our vehicles and on our gas.....we all had to pay our own way and our own gas, and our own meals. My husband and I cornered Mr. Tax and Spend in the elevator by ourselves--very much a government man. We convinced Tom to at least give us, the people, the right to vote our own destiny--even if he personally would vote against doing so were he in our area. And Tom Towe did that. And after we got that right, our county representatives started singing a new song--we really weren't the bastard children they made us out to be! Amazing.......cause they had the deck stacked against us. But we preservered and Montana now has a state law regarding withdrawal from counties and entering new counties! And what is so funny about the whole thing: none of us really wanted to go to a new county. Instead of 20 miles from the county seat/courthouse, the new county's seat was 60 something miles away. We we have been the outter most area of that county, and we were smart enough to realize that county facilities for us would be near zip or zilch.
#59. To: christine (#53)
I think I've found my new favorite comedian:
The secret of contentment is knowing how to enjoy what you have, and to be able to lose all desire for things beyond your reach. Lin Yutang
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --- William Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)
#60. To: HOUNDDAWG (#54)
The next civil/revolutionary war will be over water and/or property.
there's a race to see which comes first-the collapse of the economy or the grabbing of the guns.
#61. To: rowdee (#57)
Okay, so say you've got witnesses to vote fraud. Then what? http://www.vot efraud.org/every_american_needs_to_study.htm .... election fraud against Presidential Candidate Patrick J. Buchanan, the people of Iowa, and the people of the USA during the Iowa Presidential Caucus in 1996. This brazen fraud by the five Big TV Networks, their creature Voter News Service, and the Republican Party headquarters of Iowa -- was uncovered through eye-witness investigation -- on the spot -- by the author of this article and his team in Dubuque Iowa on February 12, 1996 in Dubuque, Iowa. Other eye-witnesses included business men Christopher Schaper and Douglas Zeitz, local residents and local "Buchanan for President" co-ordinators Sam and Lois Pusateri, at least one of their local activists who were eye-witnesses in each classroom where the Iowa Caucus paper ballots for that respective neighborhood precinct were manually counted in open view of all participants. And then Republican party chairman of Dubuque County Rod Blum, a successful local businessman who ran a perfectly clean caucus election. -- In Dubuque, Iowa we were able to know the actual count because neighbors voted in 41 classrooms and then the paper ballots were immediately counted IN PUBLIC. We were then able to see, the next morning, how the 5 Big TV Networks through Voter News Service and AP wire service fraudulently altered the actual vote count. AP reported this fraudulent "result" to the Big Daily Papers and the rest of the "mainstream" media -- all of which media outlets uncritically reported the altered results. In this way we were able to prove the election fraud in Dubuque, County Iowa in the 1996 Presidential Caucus. The same mechanism is in operation in 99% of the counties in the USA -- but there is no chance at all of detecting election fraud because of the unconstitutional delegation to about 4 private companies (Diebold, Sequoia, Hart, and Election Systems & Software, often abbreviated ES & S) by the Republican-Democratic controlled Boards of Election. The local boards of election illegally use the local police force to prevent citizen participation in counting the votes on the ballots cast at that neighborhood precinct,and then to snatch the ballots away from the neighborhood voters. Then the ballots are taken downtown where, again protected by police power, they are "counted" IN SECRET
Paper ballots are the only sure way to assure clean elections--and that is only good if you have the poll observers and the counting room observers, and some mathematicians or calculators that can add and not be afraid to challenge the PTB.
#62. To: SkyRat (#50)
lol. the good ole days. wardaddy and nopardons were high calibre asshats. I think that thread was one of the very few times I lost my temper.
#63. To: SkyRat (#50)
It's been a long journey, hasn't it?
Ive been following Market WrapUp threads from FR to LP to 4um.
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