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Title: The Conservative Movement: From Failure to Threat
Source: Rockwell
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 19, 2008
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2008-05-19 09:39:44 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 1793
Comments: 154

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn, christine, Jethro Tull, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent (#0)

Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP. Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain. Facts (which, as PRC states, conservative emotion now blots out) prove otherwise.

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

Arator  posted on  2008-05-19   9:48:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

I see....early in my political odyssey I considered myself a 'conservative' in the mold of Buahanan, Sobran, Sam Francis, Charlie Reese and others who don't come immediately to mind. Movements and Parties, especially when they espouse an American First position, become infiltrated and or vilified. Conservatives have their alter ego neoconservatives, Rs have their Country Club corporatists, and the Ds their leftists, PC-laden EnviroNazies.

Nobody in this article resembles an American Firster, the 1st criterion of what I consider a conservative. Further, nobody on this forum would confuse the names in this article with conservatives.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   10:05:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Nothing in common between neoconservative brownshirts and the people on this forum?

Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   10:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)

Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.

ari...you're a lightweight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   10:57:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.

You know, I don't remember predicting that. I remember reporting that Mike Gravel indicated in a radio interview that he was open to the possibility. I remember expressing the opinion that such a ticket would be a good thing. I suppose it's possible I said Ron Paul might choose Gravel, although I don't remember going that far.

But, if I predicted that he would, it has entirely slipped my memory. If you can show me that I did, I will of course admit that I was wrong.

Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   11:44:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing

I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell - never mind whom he chooses as VP.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   13:16:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell

More assassination talk?

Let's grant your wish, and suppose assassination prevents Obama from getting the presidential nomination. Can you conceive of him getting the VP nomination under those circumstances?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   14:02:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

More assassination talk?

what is this, ari? JT or anyone else here is not permitted to mention anything that happened in history or speculate that a similar event could occur without your insinuations that it's somehow a threat? this is an attempt by you to harm this forum and its posters, imo. am i wrong in assuming that this is your intent?

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   14:19:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

(Wallace, Bobby Kennedy)

That's not assassination talk?

If it isn't, pray tell how it is relevant to the discussion here.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   14:24:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

answer my questions.

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   14:29:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My intent is to get people to stop making irresponsible insinuations about assassination.

Shaming them seems to be the best way to do it.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   14:31:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

oh, so Mr PC is determining what is irresponsible and what is an insinuation about assassination. your attempt to take an innocuous comment like the one you cited as an insinuation or threat is harrassment and appears purposefully done to malign.

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   14:43:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

(Wallace, Bobby Kennedy)

You didn't answer my question. If (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) is not assassination talk, what is it, and how is it relevant to the discussion in this thread?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   15:11:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"assassination talk" is permitted on this free speech site.

Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations.

Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another.

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   15:26:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"assassination talk" is permitted on this free speech site.

Well, free speech should allow the rest of us to complain about assassination talk, I should think.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   15:28:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, free speech should allow the rest of us to complain about assassination talk, I should think.

yes, ari, it does, but, again, your taking that one innocuous post and another from another poster, the other day, and attempting to characterize them as assassination threats is more than a complaint (imo). and, btw, "assassination talk" encompasses a lot of talk like that in the Cogburn article i posted to you above.

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   17:59:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

characterize them as assassination threats

Since you objected to my calling the comments the other day "assassination threats," I have been careful to avoid the term. Even though that is what I thought -- and still think -- those comments were.

You will notice I have not used the term in this thread, until now, in answering you.

Other people have used it here. Yourself included.

(As for the term "wish," you used it yourself in defending those comments to me the other day.)

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   19:02:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yep, i admit it. i have and do wish for the demise of truly evil people. you've probably seen me post that i wish something would happen to mcCain before november. do you have a problem with that? does that make me an uncivilized human being in your view? what if i said that the nation would be better off if cheney and his fellow fascists no longer graced this planet? do you find that repugnant too?

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   19:24:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd pray for McCain to die before the convention, but I'm an atheist.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-19   19:46:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Dak, wishing for it make you an assassin. You're in good company, BTW :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   19:48:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

wishing for it make you an assassin

Then I have awesome mind control powers. Now...how to use them?

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-19   19:57:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Now...how to use them?

Call on the Universe to act on your behalf in vanquishing the perps. The perps can be chosen individually or collectively. Allow the Universe to respond without directives from you. Spoken word is even more effective than thinking alone. Two people using their powers together is very effective. Choose your words carefully and say at the end something like "with the highest good and in a perfect way."

Try it.

angle  posted on  2008-05-20   6:57:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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