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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Drudge
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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#68. To: christine (#0)
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from my previous post: it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"... just like it would look if she'd drawn the B on her cheek while looking in a mirror. was the picture for real? ...who knows. i've still got the picture in preview mode of 4um. ...i will save it to tinypic and post it."
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards>>>> You will never make detective grade.
ah. you think a young woman is gonna just lie there and let someone scrape on her face? dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"? not to mention the fact that whoever published that picture could have reversed it in photoshop.... the point being, it's way too soon for a hatefest... you should wait until the dust settles a little bit before you start frothing.
First photo, right hand to the eye, then stand at her head and cut her with the right hand. Second photo, left hand to the eye, right hand to cut. I believe the first makes more sense.
none of it makes sense. that's why you should wait before you start spewing hatred all over this motherfucking forum.
You might want to temper your vulgar language.
you might want to use your brain and stifle your knee-jerk tendency to demonstrate your hatred.
I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.
if your delicate little sensibilities are offended by the word "motherfucker", you can put me on bozo. in the meantime, you and your redneck cohorts have demonstrated, time after time in the short time i've been here, that you'd rather hate than think.
We do not have bozo... We do like a little more decorum, I do hope you have some societal graces.
so i wont be accepted into your "society" until i start demonstrating "societal graces", graces that presumably include spewing race hate at the slightest opportunity. sorry, old fellow, you're just gonna have to put up with my lack of "societal graces", as defined by the redneck cabal.
Have at all the hating and name calling you desire. You are not the first one nor the last. However, your vulgar language is too much and it is ungentlemanly to use such around polite people. At home with your family, feel free to vent your vulgar spleen, just not here.
the fact remains: there is a large percentage of you people who leap on any sleazy little opportunity to vent your hatred... ...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over... especially when you go off half-cocked, as you do so often... ...this present thread being just one more example. . i spose i could make you a deal: you tolerate my vulgarity and i will tolerate your hatred...
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
aha! so you're saying this site is geared towards racists. who'da guessed?
Freedom4um is geared towards lovers of and respecters of the First Amendment or, if you will, non PCers. It is time for me to address the issue of "free speech" on Freedom4um. My free speech means that I have 100% control over what I say and everyone else has 0% control over what I say. Now, I understand that there are consequences to exercising my right to free speech, but I still retain 100% control. Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations. Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another. We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights. I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction. Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?
Your free speech seems to lend itself to crying about being called on posting this sensationalistic garbage and then ignoring the fact that the racists are crawling out of the woodwork. Free speech...ok, but posts like this promote racism. Maybe you think it's perfectly ok. I think comes from a lesser intelligence or consciousness. I'm sorry to see it here in such a majority.
Why is the story sensationalistic garbage ?
Why are you a racist?
Here's some stats, Mr. Angle. I hope they don't disturb your sensibilities. Now I'll ask again, what is it about that kids story that is sensational garbage? Race, Crime, and Justice in America Second, Expanded Edition, 2005 Click for the free PDF version Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities. Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery. When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife. Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate. The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic. Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent. Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black. Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery. Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa. Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white. Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely. Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million. Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
Are these results a function of color or class?
Who cares? We need to do one study on the effects of forced bussing on whites for instance. Bussing (to achieve artificial racial balances) has devastated public education in America and blacks are still underachieving losers, and here you are asking for more breast beating sorrow about the conditions under which poor downtrodden blacks labor? And, BTW, it's only American born blacks who "suffer" these crushing effects of "racism". Caribbean blacks have incomes roughly equal to whites while American blacks just can't seem to find that ladder of opportunity. It seems that too many blacks have embraced the status of social cripples and intended to milk it for all its worth. And you seem all too happy to assist in that white guilt campaign. "Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched. Well, fuck them. we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore. I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here. In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it. And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here. And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs? Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?
Well, fuck them. we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore. I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here. In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it. And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here. And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs? Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world? that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.
seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites, i guess you're performing a public service, here.
what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?
i did. the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum lends itself to stirring up race hate that can be exploited, turned into vigilante action that will justify a declaration of martial law. all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or the govt will no longer be in control. at which point we'll see ethnic cleansing in america like we've seen in iraq. and you've made your contribution.
Fixed.
looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america. it's gonna be pretty tough to keep control of the cities, seeing as how your enemies will have grown up in those mean streets... ...although the urban warfare in iraq is giving some pretty good training, i spose. on the other hand, there are a lot of black guys in iraq getting that same training.
What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make. Just because posters disagree with your pro-Obama, pro-leftie views, you resort to mud-slinging? Grow up.
is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies? any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars. that's just how it is. if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on. sorry
any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars. that's just how it is. if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on. sorry What are you on? You are seeing a reality I don't recognize. For one thing, in case you were not aware of this fact, 4um is a free speech site, not a politically correct high school debate league. For another thing, this is a long thread and I've not read every single post but one post by Jethro Tull that quoted statistics about black crime - statistics which were verified by a black professor, Dr. Walter Williams - seemed to attract the ire of you and angle. Statistics are not hate speech. If statistics or free speech trouble your sensibilities, then move on. Don't use a broad brush to paint posters with baseless insults.
i didnt challenge the statistics. they could very well be true. the problem with free speech is, if you cant defend your position, and someone comes along and blows you out of the water, you're sunk. for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself? so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense. please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.
so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense. please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position. Did you bother to read message #347 which Original_Intent posted to you wherein he answered your question quite succinctly? I have nothing more to add to OI's post. Quit recycling a question that has been answered 50 posts earlier - it shows bad net manners and especially so when you frame your rehashed question in a hysterical shrieking tone. Here's a cut and paste of OI's #347 answer to you, to make it easy for you - take a deep breath and read it, please: wadosy: are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"? Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.
Ouch! The Department of Justice victimization survey for 2005 has been posted on the DOJ website. To create these reports the DOJ surveys a massive segment of the US population to document crime trends. For years the reports have shown disturbing trends in Black crime, particularly Black on White Crime. The 2005 Report Shows… While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States. Nearly 100% of all Black rape victims are raped by a Black. Over one third of all White rape victims are raped by a Black. Over half of all White rape victims are raped by a non-White in general. Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full two thirds of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.
OK. I see that statistics show blacks to seem to have a higher (MUCH HIGHER) disproportionate percentage to crime and violent crime than other ethnic groups. Should ALL blacks be painted with the same brush?
FYI
Now the discussion is becoming interesting on a more intellectual and realistic level. Race in America is still a highly charged subject which gets avoided and treated with cliches on both sides of the issue. It is not quite as black and white as the extremes on either end want to paint it. One of the more intriguing, and illuminating, aspects of the debate is to disregard color for a moment and look at what other factors might come in to play. I recall one study and at least one other analysis I've looked at that brought out what I think is the most important factor (and it is not skin color): When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less. Additionally performance on IQ tests, up to a point, correlate as well with education level. Which stands to reason - people who cannot read well, if at all, and cannot correctly understand the question cannot accurately answer it. (I like citing my father for this one - he was a poor country boy who quit school at the end of the 9th Grade to go to work during the last Depression. When he joined the Marine Corps at 17, during WWII, the test he was given said he had an IQ of 36. This in a man who later went on to become a Master at his Trade and a Flight Instructor on Sea Planes. The test it was later determined relied upon a vocabulary common to Urban Dwellers and thus was biased toward them and away from kids who grew up in any other environment.) Returning to my point - the general education level among poor blacks, based on more than one study, is generally lower than that among the general population of whites, BUT not poor whites. The crime levels among poor blacks and poor whites is actually much closer than the raw numbers suggest. Yes, blacks still have a higher crime rate in general, BUT they also have a much lower education level in general. The crime level among well educated blacks is pretty much the same as among well educated whites - pretty low. Education, literacy, level has a much better predictive value as to the propensity to violent crime. Further, inner-city skools are notorious for the poor quality and environment and have been since the 60's. The curriculum has been dumbed down and degraded, by intent, in all skools but nowhere as much as in the inner city ghettoes. It doesn't help that a poisonous culture has arisen that regards speaking correct English, and doing well in school, as "acting white" and having been given a negative connotation. However, again, looking at the other end of the spectrum Asian culture almost worships education and what do we have? A much lower crime rate. There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor.
A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor. Your question is good and valid. Certainly my little essay is not an exhaustive review and I would agree that there are other factors at play, but education does appear, in the numbers I've seen, to be one of the largest. Culture is certainly another, but culture as well is affected by education level. My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons.
Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons. And your proof of the "genetic theory" is? The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc., .... Genetic links have been asserted and assumed to be true but there is no scientific evidence to support the conclusion. First it is based on a false premise i.e., that "man" is purely a material biologic creature i.e., animated soulless meat. There is no evidence which supports that either. The materialists for all their attempts to prove it cannot.
Deny, deny, deny... that's all you know. You're simply willfully ignorant. In order to be a liberal, you have to believe that genetic differences cause racial differences in every organ of the human body EXCEPT ONE. In other words, you have to be a retard. I mean, it's not like environmentalists haven't tried to prove their own case -- and failed, horribly, with their own studies proving the opposite. But if you REALLY ARE as pig ignorant as you claim, rather than willfully ignorant or disingenuous, I would direct you to work of Arthur Jensen, Rushton, and Michael Levin's brilliant (and funny!) book Why Race Matters. I notice that you didn't challenge me on the "culture" argument, and we both know why that is. Just as all the market is is a set of options, all "culture" is is a set of behavioral phenotypes. So the statement "black's bad behavior is because of their 'culture'" is the same as "black's bad behavior is due to black behavior". Which is retarded and circular -- unless 'culture' is meant as an emergent property of blacks in numbers. But you won't go there either, because it might mean that Western culture requires a large white majority. Which of course it does.
Most of your irrational bilge is unworthy of reply - I don't swim in the sewer either. As for this logically faulty line all I have to say is that culture is a learned set of attributes. We can observe this in that those of different races raised in different cultures conform to the culture they were raised in. One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Likely she came from an intact family with educated parents - and had you not been able see her but only hear her you would not known that she was black. It is also interesting to note, as someone commented earlier in the thread, that non-American blacks moving here from other countries and cultures, particularly the Caribbean Basin where blacks are the majority and receive a good education, have earnings roughly equivalent to the average White American. Interesting datum that. I've met a few of them and they have a completely different outlook on the world. As for the rest of your irrational ramblings please to put them where the sun doth not shine.
They can learn much of it. That doesn't mean they can pass it on. One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Why did she have to correct it in the first place? One of my favorite object lessons in this was hearing black athletes in the United Kingdom speak. Commonalities with black American athlete speech stood out because of the difference in learned accent. Quite amazing, you have to hear it for yourself. It is also interesting to note, as someone commented earlier in the thread, that non-American blacks moving here from other countries and cultures, particularly the Caribbean Basin where blacks are the majority and receive a good education, have earnings roughly equivalent to the average White American. Interesting datum that. I've met a few of them and they have a completely different outlook on the world. This is true; my wife's boss is one of them. They also don't look much like Africans or even African Americans, to hear them tell it. But they are the cream of their crops, so to speak, and you are probably ignorant of the current state of those countries, because you want to be. They can't pass on Western culture either. We shall see how their grandchildren and great grandchildren do, as mean reversion rears its ugly head. I expect it will be similar to France's experience with the grandchildren and great grandchildren of industrious, law-abiding north africans.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"well, the picture of the "victim" seems to have disappeared itself already.
#70. To: wadosy (#68)
it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"...
#74. To: Cynicom (#70)
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards
#76. To: wadosy (#74)
dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"?
#78. To: Turtle (#76)
#81. To: wadosy (#78)
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
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You might want to temper your vulgar language.
#85. To: wadosy (#84)
#88. To: Cynicom (#85)
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I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.
#90. To: wadosy (#88)
#94. To: Cynicom (#90)
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societal graces
#98. To: wadosy (#94)
#106. To: Cynicom (#98)
#112. To: wadosy (#106)
...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over...
#116. To: Dakmar (#112)
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
#169. To: wadosy (#116)
so you're saying this site is geared towards racists
#308. To: christine, dakmar (#169)
#309. To: angle (#308)
#311. To: Jethro Tull (#309)
#316. To: angle (#311)
Because as a police officer I witnessed the people you hold close behave like animals. I'm guessing you have never been in a slum and seen their handiwork.
The Color of Crime
Major Findings:
Crime Rates
Interracial Crime
Gangs
Incarceration
#321. To: Jethro Tull (#316)
#353. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine (#321)
Are these results a function of color or class?
#361. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353)
"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.
#365. To: christine (#361)
#369. To: wadosy (#365)
#372. To: christine (#369)
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who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?
#374. To: wadosy (#372)
all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or I'll be retired from the FBI.
#376. To: X-15 (#374)
#377. To: wadosy (#376)
looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.
#378. To: scrapper2 (#377)
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What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make.
#383. To: wadosy (#378)
is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?
#384. To: scrapper2 (#383)
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#391. To: wadosy, Original_Intent, Cynicom, christine (#384)
for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?
#401. To: Original_Intent (#391)
Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
#402. To: angle (#401)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm
#404. To: Jethro Tull (#402)
#412. To: All (#404)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#418. To: angle, christine, dakmar, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, All (#412)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#419. To: Original_Intent (#418)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#423. To: duckhunter (#419)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#429. To: Original_Intent (#423)
Culture is certainly another
#433. To: Tauzero (#429)
Culture is certainly another
#440. To: Original_Intent (#433)
The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc.,
#451. To: Tauzero (#440)
I notice that you didn't challenge me on the "culture" argument, and we both know why that is. Just as all the market is is a set of options, all "culture" is is a set of behavioral phenotypes.
#456. To: Original_Intent (#451)
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We can observe this in that those of different races raised in different cultures conform to the culture they were raised in.
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