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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Drudge
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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Views: 9267
Comments: 659
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#68. To: christine (#0)
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from my previous post: it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"... just like it would look if she'd drawn the B on her cheek while looking in a mirror. was the picture for real? ...who knows. i've still got the picture in preview mode of 4um. ...i will save it to tinypic and post it."
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards>>>> You will never make detective grade.
ah. you think a young woman is gonna just lie there and let someone scrape on her face? dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"? not to mention the fact that whoever published that picture could have reversed it in photoshop.... the point being, it's way too soon for a hatefest... you should wait until the dust settles a little bit before you start frothing.
First photo, right hand to the eye, then stand at her head and cut her with the right hand. Second photo, left hand to the eye, right hand to cut. I believe the first makes more sense.
none of it makes sense. that's why you should wait before you start spewing hatred all over this motherfucking forum.
You might want to temper your vulgar language.
you might want to use your brain and stifle your knee-jerk tendency to demonstrate your hatred.
I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.
if your delicate little sensibilities are offended by the word "motherfucker", you can put me on bozo. in the meantime, you and your redneck cohorts have demonstrated, time after time in the short time i've been here, that you'd rather hate than think.
We do not have bozo... We do like a little more decorum, I do hope you have some societal graces.
so i wont be accepted into your "society" until i start demonstrating "societal graces", graces that presumably include spewing race hate at the slightest opportunity. sorry, old fellow, you're just gonna have to put up with my lack of "societal graces", as defined by the redneck cabal.
Have at all the hating and name calling you desire. You are not the first one nor the last. However, your vulgar language is too much and it is ungentlemanly to use such around polite people. At home with your family, feel free to vent your vulgar spleen, just not here.
the fact remains: there is a large percentage of you people who leap on any sleazy little opportunity to vent your hatred... ...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over... especially when you go off half-cocked, as you do so often... ...this present thread being just one more example. . i spose i could make you a deal: you tolerate my vulgarity and i will tolerate your hatred...
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
aha! so you're saying this site is geared towards racists. who'da guessed?
Freedom4um is geared towards lovers of and respecters of the First Amendment or, if you will, non PCers. It is time for me to address the issue of "free speech" on Freedom4um. My free speech means that I have 100% control over what I say and everyone else has 0% control over what I say. Now, I understand that there are consequences to exercising my right to free speech, but I still retain 100% control. Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations. Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another. We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights. I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction. Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?
Your free speech seems to lend itself to crying about being called on posting this sensationalistic garbage and then ignoring the fact that the racists are crawling out of the woodwork. Free speech...ok, but posts like this promote racism. Maybe you think it's perfectly ok. I think comes from a lesser intelligence or consciousness. I'm sorry to see it here in such a majority.
Why is the story sensationalistic garbage ?
Why are you a racist?
Here's some stats, Mr. Angle. I hope they don't disturb your sensibilities. Now I'll ask again, what is it about that kids story that is sensational garbage? Race, Crime, and Justice in America Second, Expanded Edition, 2005 Click for the free PDF version Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities. Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery. When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife. Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate. The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic. Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent. Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black. Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery. Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa. Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white. Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely. Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million. Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
Are these results a function of color or class?
Who cares? We need to do one study on the effects of forced bussing on whites for instance. Bussing (to achieve artificial racial balances) has devastated public education in America and blacks are still underachieving losers, and here you are asking for more breast beating sorrow about the conditions under which poor downtrodden blacks labor? And, BTW, it's only American born blacks who "suffer" these crushing effects of "racism". Caribbean blacks have incomes roughly equal to whites while American blacks just can't seem to find that ladder of opportunity. It seems that too many blacks have embraced the status of social cripples and intended to milk it for all its worth. And you seem all too happy to assist in that white guilt campaign. "Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched. Well, fuck them. we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore. I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here. In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it. And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here. And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs? Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?
Well, fuck them. we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore. I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here. In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it. And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here. And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs? Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world? that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.
seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites, i guess you're performing a public service, here.
what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?
i did. the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum lends itself to stirring up race hate that can be exploited, turned into vigilante action that will justify a declaration of martial law. all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or the govt will no longer be in control. at which point we'll see ethnic cleansing in america like we've seen in iraq. and you've made your contribution.
Fixed.
looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america. it's gonna be pretty tough to keep control of the cities, seeing as how your enemies will have grown up in those mean streets... ...although the urban warfare in iraq is giving some pretty good training, i spose. on the other hand, there are a lot of black guys in iraq getting that same training.
What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make. Just because posters disagree with your pro-Obama, pro-leftie views, you resort to mud-slinging? Grow up.
is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies? any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars. that's just how it is. if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on. sorry
any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars. that's just how it is. if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on. sorry What are you on? You are seeing a reality I don't recognize. For one thing, in case you were not aware of this fact, 4um is a free speech site, not a politically correct high school debate league. For another thing, this is a long thread and I've not read every single post but one post by Jethro Tull that quoted statistics about black crime - statistics which were verified by a black professor, Dr. Walter Williams - seemed to attract the ire of you and angle. Statistics are not hate speech. If statistics or free speech trouble your sensibilities, then move on. Don't use a broad brush to paint posters with baseless insults.
i didnt challenge the statistics. they could very well be true. the problem with free speech is, if you cant defend your position, and someone comes along and blows you out of the water, you're sunk. for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself? so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense. please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.
so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense. please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position. Did you bother to read message #347 which Original_Intent posted to you wherein he answered your question quite succinctly? I have nothing more to add to OI's post. Quit recycling a question that has been answered 50 posts earlier - it shows bad net manners and especially so when you frame your rehashed question in a hysterical shrieking tone. Here's a cut and paste of OI's #347 answer to you, to make it easy for you - take a deep breath and read it, please: wadosy: are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"? Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.
Ouch! The Department of Justice victimization survey for 2005 has been posted on the DOJ website. To create these reports the DOJ surveys a massive segment of the US population to document crime trends. For years the reports have shown disturbing trends in Black crime, particularly Black on White Crime. The 2005 Report Shows… While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States. Nearly 100% of all Black rape victims are raped by a Black. Over one third of all White rape victims are raped by a Black. Over half of all White rape victims are raped by a non-White in general. Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full two thirds of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.
OK. I see that statistics show blacks to seem to have a higher (MUCH HIGHER) disproportionate percentage to crime and violent crime than other ethnic groups. Should ALL blacks be painted with the same brush?
FYI
Now the discussion is becoming interesting on a more intellectual and realistic level. Race in America is still a highly charged subject which gets avoided and treated with cliches on both sides of the issue. It is not quite as black and white as the extremes on either end want to paint it. One of the more intriguing, and illuminating, aspects of the debate is to disregard color for a moment and look at what other factors might come in to play. I recall one study and at least one other analysis I've looked at that brought out what I think is the most important factor (and it is not skin color): When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less. Additionally performance on IQ tests, up to a point, correlate as well with education level. Which stands to reason - people who cannot read well, if at all, and cannot correctly understand the question cannot accurately answer it. (I like citing my father for this one - he was a poor country boy who quit school at the end of the 9th Grade to go to work during the last Depression. When he joined the Marine Corps at 17, during WWII, the test he was given said he had an IQ of 36. This in a man who later went on to become a Master at his Trade and a Flight Instructor on Sea Planes. The test it was later determined relied upon a vocabulary common to Urban Dwellers and thus was biased toward them and away from kids who grew up in any other environment.) Returning to my point - the general education level among poor blacks, based on more than one study, is generally lower than that among the general population of whites, BUT not poor whites. The crime levels among poor blacks and poor whites is actually much closer than the raw numbers suggest. Yes, blacks still have a higher crime rate in general, BUT they also have a much lower education level in general. The crime level among well educated blacks is pretty much the same as among well educated whites - pretty low. Education, literacy, level has a much better predictive value as to the propensity to violent crime. Further, inner-city skools are notorious for the poor quality and environment and have been since the 60's. The curriculum has been dumbed down and degraded, by intent, in all skools but nowhere as much as in the inner city ghettoes. It doesn't help that a poisonous culture has arisen that regards speaking correct English, and doing well in school, as "acting white" and having been given a negative connotation. However, again, looking at the other end of the spectrum Asian culture almost worships education and what do we have? A much lower crime rate. There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor.
A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor. Your question is good and valid. Certainly my little essay is not an exhaustive review and I would agree that there are other factors at play, but education does appear, in the numbers I've seen, to be one of the largest. Culture is certainly another, but culture as well is affected by education level. My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
I agree, there is nothing inherently inferior about black skin. What I see as a major factor is the way in which government has been involved in shaping the culture of many black people. If allowed to develop naturally, their cultural would never have developed as it has. The undesirable attitudes and belief systems would have perished in the unforgiving fires of reality. For years, many people have been insulated from the consequences of their actions by government welfare.
duckhunter: I agree, there is nothing inherently inferior about black skin. What I see as a major factor is the way in which government has been involved in shaping the culture of many black people. If allowed to develop naturally, their cultural would never have developed as it has. The undesirable attitudes and belief systems would have perished in the unforgiving fires of reality. For years, many people have been insulated from the consequences of their actions by government welfare. I'd agree with both of you that there is nothing inferior about dark skin. And I would also agree that government welfare and affirmative action social engineering programs are destructive to society as a whole. However I would disagree with both of you when you blame government for the behavior and culture of black people. Look at black culture in African nations under self-rule, where presumably they have been allowed to develop "naturally." Africa as a continent would die off in short order either from tribal machete wars or from AIDS if outside intervention did not stop the "natural" melt down. I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make. Blacks' high crime rates are because individual blacks are choosing to become involved in crime, and that's because their culture is one where crime and violence is accepted. And OI why do blacks need special "skools" to help them out of their morass? Poor whites have bad schools and they get on with their lives just fine for the most part. Giving blacks special super duper education is just more gov't social engineering that's bound to fail at the taxpayers' expense. It is the responsibility of blacks to change the negative dynamics of their culture that have taken hold. No special skools, no special Affirmative Action quotas, no super duper outside police force in their midst can change what's destroying their culture. Blacks need to take charge of their community's destiny. As Dr. Walter Williams observes: townhall.com/columnists/W...22/liberal_views,_black_v ictims?page=2 "...During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen..."
Right you are. Criminal law accepts that it is the person who pulls the trigger who is guilty, but The Rainbow Coalition, Operation Push and other assorted, government funded camps would have us believe it's society's fault, not the individual. Some thanks we taxpayers get from the social tinkerers, eh? For those who believe black crime is the fault of government, is the answer then to withhold welfare in all forms? If yes, would that proposition fly? If not, why not?
I see Fox is now in big and bold print about the lady in Pittsburgh. Yesterday it was in fine print and buried. "Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
So sad for you. Police: McCain volunteer changes ATM attack story 1 hour ago PITTSBURGH (AP) — Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer who said she was held down by a black man who cut the letter "B" in her face has changed her story. Police spokeswoman Diane Richard says investigators gave the 20-year-old woman a lie-detector test and are "looking at some inconsistencies" in her story. The student, Ashley Todd, of College Station, Texas, initially said a black man robbed her at knifepoint Wednesday night and then cut her cheek after seeing a McCain sticker on her car. Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked. Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later. No arrests have been made.
Police say questions are being raised about attack claim October 24, 2008 13:30 EDT PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Police in Pittsburgh report "inconsistencies" in the story told by a McCain campaign volunteer. The woman had said a black man had robbed her, and had cut a "B" into her cheek after seeing a McCain bumper sticker on her car. Police say she's now been given a polygraph. They also say photos and bank card information from an ATM where Ashley Todd claimed she was robbed do not show her using the machine. Todd is a 20-year-old college student from Texas. She told investigators that she thinks the man noticed her McCain sticker after he robbed her. She says he then punched her and knocked her to the ground, and told her, "You are going to be a Barack supporter." She told police he scratched a backward letter "B" into her face using what she believed was a dull knife. She said she didn't seek medical attention, but instead went to a friend's apartment and called police about 45 minutes later. The report of the attack prompted McCain and Sarah Palin to call Todd and express their concern. The Obama campaign issued a statement wishing her well, and hoping that the attacker would be swiftly brought to justice.
#463. To: angle (#457)
Latest: The attack was a hoax. Maybe I was right about her doing it in a mirror.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"well, the picture of the "victim" seems to have disappeared itself already.
#70. To: wadosy (#68)
it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"...
#74. To: Cynicom (#70)
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards
#76. To: wadosy (#74)
dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"?
#78. To: Turtle (#76)
#81. To: wadosy (#78)
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
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You might want to temper your vulgar language.
#85. To: wadosy (#84)
#88. To: Cynicom (#85)
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I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.
#90. To: wadosy (#88)
#94. To: Cynicom (#90)
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societal graces
#98. To: wadosy (#94)
#106. To: Cynicom (#98)
#112. To: wadosy (#106)
...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over...
#116. To: Dakmar (#112)
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
#169. To: wadosy (#116)
so you're saying this site is geared towards racists
#308. To: christine, dakmar (#169)
#309. To: angle (#308)
#311. To: Jethro Tull (#309)
#316. To: angle (#311)
Because as a police officer I witnessed the people you hold close behave like animals. I'm guessing you have never been in a slum and seen their handiwork.
The Color of Crime
Major Findings:
Crime Rates
Interracial Crime
Gangs
Incarceration
#321. To: Jethro Tull (#316)
#353. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine (#321)
Are these results a function of color or class?
#361. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353)
"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.
#365. To: christine (#361)
#369. To: wadosy (#365)
#372. To: christine (#369)
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who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?
#374. To: wadosy (#372)
all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or I'll be retired from the FBI.
#376. To: X-15 (#374)
#377. To: wadosy (#376)
looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.
#378. To: scrapper2 (#377)
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What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make.
#383. To: wadosy (#378)
is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?
#384. To: scrapper2 (#383)
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#391. To: wadosy, Original_Intent, Cynicom, christine (#384)
for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?
#401. To: Original_Intent (#391)
Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
#402. To: angle (#401)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm
#404. To: Jethro Tull (#402)
#412. To: All (#404)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#418. To: angle, christine, dakmar, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, All (#412)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#419. To: Original_Intent (#418)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#423. To: duckhunter (#419)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#427. To: Original_Intent (#423)
My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
#439. To: duckhunter, Original_Intent (#427)
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OI: My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
#443. To: scrapper2, all (#439)
I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make.
#445. To: Jethro Tull, all (#443)
#455. To: all (#445)
Yesterday it was in fine print and buried.
#457. To: All (#455)
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