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#68. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

from my previous post:

"well, the picture of the "victim" seems to have disappeared itself already.

it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"...

just like it would look if she'd drawn the B on her cheek while looking in a mirror.

was the picture for real? ...who knows.

i've still got the picture in preview mode of 4um. ...i will save it to tinypic and post it."

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   17:39:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: wadosy (#68)

it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"...

If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards>>>>

You will never make detective grade.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-23   17:42:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Cynicom (#70)

If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards

ah.

you think a young woman is gonna just lie there and let someone scrape on her face?

dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"?

not to mention the fact that whoever published that picture could have reversed it in photoshop....

the point being, it's way too soon for a hatefest... you should wait until the dust settles a little bit before you start frothing.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   17:49:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: wadosy (#74)

dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"?

First photo, right hand to the eye, then stand at her head and cut her with the right hand.

Second photo, left hand to the eye, right hand to cut.

I believe the first makes more sense.

Turtle  posted on  2008-10-23   17:55:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Turtle (#76)

none of it makes sense.

that's why you should wait before you start spewing hatred all over this motherfucking forum.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   17:56:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: wadosy (#78)

You might want to temper your vulgar language.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-23   17:58:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Cynicom (#81) (Edited)

You might want to temper your vulgar language.

you might want to use your brain and stifle your knee-jerk tendency to demonstrate your hatred.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   18:00:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: wadosy (#84)

I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-23   18:01:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Cynicom (#85) (Edited)

I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.

if your delicate little sensibilities are offended by the word "motherfucker", you can put me on bozo.

in the meantime, you and your redneck cohorts have demonstrated, time after time in the short time i've been here, that you'd rather hate than think.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   18:03:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: wadosy (#88)

We do not have bozo...

We do like a little more decorum, I do hope you have some societal graces.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-23   18:05:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Cynicom (#90) (Edited)

societal graces

so i wont be accepted into your "society" until i start demonstrating "societal graces", graces that presumably include spewing race hate at the slightest opportunity.

sorry, old fellow, you're just gonna have to put up with my lack of "societal graces", as defined by the redneck cabal.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   18:08:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: wadosy (#94)

Have at all the hating and name calling you desire. You are not the first one nor the last.

However, your vulgar language is too much and it is ungentlemanly to use such around polite people. At home with your family, feel free to vent your vulgar spleen, just not here.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-23   18:11:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Cynicom (#98)

the fact remains: there is a large percentage of you people who leap on any sleazy little opportunity to vent your hatred...

...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over... especially when you go off half-cocked, as you do so often...

...this present thread being just one more example.

.

i spose i could make you a deal: you tolerate my vulgarity and i will tolerate your hatred...

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   18:18:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: wadosy (#106)

...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over...

It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-10-23   18:22:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Dakmar (#112)

It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.

aha!

so you're saying this site is geared towards racists.

who'da guessed?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-23   18:24:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: wadosy (#116)

so you're saying this site is geared towards racists

Freedom4um is geared towards lovers of and respecters of the First Amendment or, if you will, non PCers.

Free Speech on Freedom4um

It is time for me to address the issue of "free speech" on Freedom4um. My free speech means that I have 100% control over what I say and everyone else has 0% control over what I say. Now, I understand that there are consequences to exercising my right to free speech, but I still retain 100% control.

Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations.

Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another.

We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights.

I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction.

Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?

christine  posted on  2008-10-23   19:20:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: christine, dakmar (#169)

Your free speech seems to lend itself to crying about being called on posting this sensationalistic garbage and then ignoring the fact that the racists are crawling out of the woodwork. Free speech...ok, but posts like this promote racism.

Maybe you think it's perfectly ok. I think comes from a lesser intelligence or consciousness. I'm sorry to see it here in such a majority.

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   22:34:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: angle (#308)

Why is the story sensationalistic garbage ?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   22:39:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: Jethro Tull (#309)

Why are you a racist?

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   22:42:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#316. To: angle (#311)

Because as a police officer I witnessed the people you hold close behave like animals. I'm guessing you have never been in a slum and seen their handiwork.

Here's some stats, Mr. Angle. I hope they don't disturb your sensibilities.

Now I'll ask again, what is it about that kids story that is sensational garbage?

The Color of Crime

Race, Crime, and Justice in America


Second, Expanded Edition, 2005

The 
Color of Crime: Race, Crime, and Justice in America

Click for the free PDF version

Major Findings:

Crime Rates

Interracial Crime

Gangs

Incarceration


Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-23   22:49:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#321. To: Jethro Tull (#316)

Are these results a function of color or class?

angle  posted on  2008-10-23   22:56:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#353. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine (#321)

Are these results a function of color or class?

Who cares?

We need to do one study on the effects of forced bussing on whites for instance.

Bussing (to achieve artificial racial balances) has devastated public education in America and blacks are still underachieving losers, and here you are asking for more breast beating sorrow about the conditions under which poor downtrodden blacks labor?

And, BTW, it's only American born blacks who "suffer" these crushing effects of "racism". Caribbean blacks have incomes roughly equal to whites while American blacks just can't seem to find that ladder of opportunity.

It seems that too many blacks have embraced the status of social cripples and intended to milk it for all its worth.

And you seem all too happy to assist in that white guilt campaign.

"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.

Well, fuck them.

we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.

I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here.

In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it.

And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here.

And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs?

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-10-23   23:34:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#361. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353)

"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.

Well, fuck them.

we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.

I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here.

In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it.

And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here.

And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs?

Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?

that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.

christine  posted on  2008-10-23   23:53:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#365. To: christine (#361)

seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites, i guess you're performing a public service, here.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:00:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#369. To: wadosy (#365)

what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?

christine  posted on  2008-10-24   0:08:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#372. To: christine (#369) (Edited)

who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?

i did.

the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum lends itself to stirring up race hate that can be exploited, turned into vigilante action that will justify a declaration of martial law.

all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or the govt will no longer be in control.

at which point we'll see ethnic cleansing in america like we've seen in iraq.

and you've made your contribution.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:12:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#374. To: wadosy (#372)

all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or I'll be retired from the FBI.

Fixed.

X-15  posted on  2008-10-24   0:19:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#376. To: X-15 (#374)

looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.

it's gonna be pretty tough to keep control of the cities, seeing as how your enemies will have grown up in those mean streets...

...although the urban warfare in iraq is giving some pretty good training, i spose.

on the other hand, there are a lot of black guys in iraq getting that same training.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:23:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#377. To: wadosy (#376)

looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.

What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make. Just because posters disagree with your pro-Obama, pro-leftie views, you resort to mud-slinging? Grow up.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   0:29:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#378. To: scrapper2 (#377) (Edited)

What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make.

is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?

any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars.

that's just how it is.

if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on.

sorry

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:34:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#383. To: wadosy (#378)

is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?

any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars.

that's just how it is.

if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on.

sorry

What are you on? You are seeing a reality I don't recognize.

For one thing, in case you were not aware of this fact, 4um is a free speech site, not a politically correct high school debate league.

For another thing, this is a long thread and I've not read every single post but one post by Jethro Tull that quoted statistics about black crime - statistics which were verified by a black professor, Dr. Walter Williams - seemed to attract the ire of you and angle. Statistics are not hate speech.

If statistics or free speech trouble your sensibilities, then move on. Don't use a broad brush to paint posters with baseless insults.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   0:46:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#384. To: scrapper2 (#383) (Edited)

i didnt challenge the statistics.

they could very well be true.

the problem with free speech is, if you cant defend your position, and someone comes along and blows you out of the water, you're sunk.

for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?

so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense.

please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-24   0:51:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#391. To: wadosy, Original_Intent, Cynicom, christine (#384)

for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?

so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense.

please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.

Did you bother to read message #347 which Original_Intent posted to you wherein he answered your question quite succinctly? I have nothing more to add to OI's post. Quit recycling a question that has been answered 50 posts earlier - it shows bad net manners and especially so when you frame your rehashed question in a hysterical shrieking tone.

Here's a cut and paste of OI's #347 answer to you, to make it easy for you - take a deep breath and read it, please:

wadosy: are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?

Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".

scrapper2  posted on  2008-10-24   1:06:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#401. To: Original_Intent (#391)

Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".

Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   9:44:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#402. To: angle (#401)

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm

Ouch!

The Department of Justice victimization survey for 2005 has been posted on the DOJ website. To create these reports the DOJ surveys a massive segment of the US population to document crime trends. For years the reports have shown disturbing trends in Black crime, particularly Black on White Crime.

The 2005 Report Shows…

While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States.

Nearly 100% of all Black rape victims are raped by a Black.

Over one third of all White rape victims are raped by a Black. Over half of all White rape victims are raped by a non-White in general.

Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full two thirds of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-24   9:59:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#404. To: Jethro Tull (#402)

OK. I see that statistics show blacks to seem to have a higher (MUCH HIGHER) disproportionate percentage to crime and violent crime than other ethnic groups.

Should ALL blacks be painted with the same brush?

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   10:15:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#412. To: All (#404)

"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.

FYI

angle  posted on  2008-10-24   10:36:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#418. To: angle, christine, dakmar, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, All (#412)

"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.

Now the discussion is becoming interesting on a more intellectual and realistic level. Race in America is still a highly charged subject which gets avoided and treated with cliches on both sides of the issue. It is not quite as black and white as the extremes on either end want to paint it.

One of the more intriguing, and illuminating, aspects of the debate is to disregard color for a moment and look at what other factors might come in to play.

I recall one study and at least one other analysis I've looked at that brought out what I think is the most important factor (and it is not skin color):

EDUCATION LEVEL

When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.

Additionally performance on IQ tests, up to a point, correlate as well with education level. Which stands to reason - people who cannot read well, if at all, and cannot correctly understand the question cannot accurately answer it. (I like citing my father for this one - he was a poor country boy who quit school at the end of the 9th Grade to go to work during the last Depression. When he joined the Marine Corps at 17, during WWII, the test he was given said he had an IQ of 36. This in a man who later went on to become a Master at his Trade and a Flight Instructor on Sea Planes. The test it was later determined relied upon a vocabulary common to Urban Dwellers and thus was biased toward them and away from kids who grew up in any other environment.)

Returning to my point - the general education level among poor blacks, based on more than one study, is generally lower than that among the general population of whites, BUT not poor whites. The crime levels among poor blacks and poor whites is actually much closer than the raw numbers suggest. Yes, blacks still have a higher crime rate in general, BUT they also have a much lower education level in general. The crime level among well educated blacks is pretty much the same as among well educated whites - pretty low. Education, literacy, level has a much better predictive value as to the propensity to violent crime.

Further, inner-city skools are notorious for the poor quality and environment and have been since the 60's. The curriculum has been dumbed down and degraded, by intent, in all skools but nowhere as much as in the inner city ghettoes. It doesn't help that a poisonous culture has arisen that regards speaking correct English, and doing well in school, as "acting white" and having been given a negative connotation. However, again, looking at the other end of the spectrum Asian culture almost worships education and what do we have? A much lower crime rate.

There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   11:41:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#419. To: Original_Intent (#418)

When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.

A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-10-24   11:45:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#423. To: duckhunter (#419)

When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.

A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor.

Your question is good and valid. Certainly my little essay is not an exhaustive review and I would agree that there are other factors at play, but education does appear, in the numbers I've seen, to be one of the largest. Culture is certainly another, but culture as well is affected by education level. My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   11:59:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#429. To: Original_Intent (#423)

Culture is certainly another

Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it!

Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-24   12:09:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#433. To: Tauzero (#429)

Culture is certainly another

Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it!

Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons.

And your proof of the "genetic theory" is?

The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc., .... Genetic links have been asserted and assumed to be true but there is no scientific evidence to support the conclusion.

First it is based on a false premise i.e., that "man" is purely a material biologic creature i.e., animated soulless meat. There is no evidence which supports that either. The materialists for all their attempts to prove it cannot.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   12:16:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#435. To: Original_Intent, Tauzero (#433)

Culture is certainly another

Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it!

Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons.

And your proof of the "genetic theory" is?

I know I sound like a broken record but think about this; The amount of welfare a person receives is based in some part on how many dependents they have, which creates a perverse motivation to procreate while simultaneously insulating the person from the costs of procreating. As a result, many people with no motivation or work ethic have had many more children than they would otherwise have had while also driving up the price of children for those responsible enough to understand and bear the cost. While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring. So after years of government welfare, I can understand why successive generation may become dumbed down.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-10-24   12:27:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#437. To: duckhunter, christine (#435)

I know I sound like a broken record but think about this; The amount of welfare a person receives is based in some part on how many dependents they have, which creates a perverse motivation to procreate while simultaneously insulating the person from the costs of procreating. As a result, many people with no motivation or work ethic have had many more children than they would otherwise have had while also driving up the price of children for those responsible enough to understand and bear the cost. While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring. So after years of government welfare, I can understand why successive generation may become dumbed down.

I agree up to the point you bring in "genetics". Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence. I don't fault you for that as it is something that has been implanted heavily into our culture. I would simply ask that you put that to the question as you would any other matter upon which you think deeply.

I think the Welfare Culture is just that a learned culture. I know when my father died, unexpectedly, my mother was thrown into turmoil in trying to figure out how to support the family. Welfare, because it was part of her upbringing and culture, was immediately rejected as a solution. However, as you point out we now have several generations that have known no other means of survival. They do what they have been taught is a survival path. Thus you have 16 year olds having babies so they can get their own apartment and a check. They then have more babies to increase the income stream. Further, since getting married would cut the checks out, and the Section 8 Apartment, they eschew marriage as nonsurvival. It is all rational in a perverse way. The kindest thing one could do for poor and black America is to cut the checks and demand that they go to work. Programs could be set up to ease the transition - primarily literacy, but it is a continuing cruelty to perpetuate the current system.

This was all devised back in the 30's by such as Carnegie, Rockefeller, Mellon, etc., .... They were all eugenicists, as was the heavily subsidized pig Margaret Sanger - who was the one who came up with the idea of hiring educated blacks to act as Judas Goats, and were in thrall to the notion that by having money they were a genetically superior species. Eugenics is driving a lot of these government programs as is the faulty assumption that race determines worth.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   12:44:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#449. To: Original_Intent (#437)

Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence.

Well, I know for a fact that traits are passed from parent to offspring, it's why I look like my mother. I don't understand exactly what you are saying.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-10-24   13:27:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#458. To: duckhunter (#449)

Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence.

Well, I know for a fact that traits are passed from parent to offspring, it's why I look like my mother. I don't understand exactly what you are saying.

And I look like my father - although a lot lighter skin toned from my mother's Germanic blood line.

People make the mistake that because physical characteristics are transmitted genetically that such holds true for ALL characteristics.

In logic this is known as the fallacy of division i.e., that which holds true for one set holds true for all - when there is no evidence to support it.

"(From "The Fallacy Files")Form:

The object O has the property P.
Therefore, all of the parts of O have the property P.
(Where the property P is one which does not distribute from a whole to its parts.)

Example:

The universe has existed for fifteen billion years.
The universe is made out of molecules.
Therefore, each of the molecules in the universe has existed for fifteen billion years."

Therefore one can see the fallacies that arise.

Another example of my own devising:

John is Redhead
John is a Drunk
Therefore all Redheads are drunks.

Yet another:

William is Black.
William is a Drug Addict.
Therefore all Blacks are Drug Addicts.

You could manufacture any number of examples to illustrate this fallacy but I think that suffices.

The rest of my reasoning delves into the realm of what is the ultimate nature of man?

Is "man" merely a material biologic entity?

OR

Is "man" a duality of Spirit residing in a body?

How you answer that question has profound affect on how you see other people.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-24   13:48:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#460. To: Original_Intent (#458)

Is "man" merely a material biologic entity?

OR

Is "man" a duality of Spirit residing in a body?

Both. Man is a slave to his DNA as well as to his spirit.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-10-24 13:54:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#469. To: Original_Intent (#458)

We're engaging in the old nurture vs nature argument in a roundabout way. Is a person a tabula rasa? I personally believe that innate differences can and do exist between individual people and not everyone has the same potential. However, I do not believe that race is a major defining factor in determining those differences.

I also don't find it hard to believe that the influence of genetics can be made to have a larger role in defining people through government intervention.

One of my favorite examples is HWY 20 here in North Alabama.

If you travel down HWY 20 across the norther portion of our state you are traveling right through the middle of General Joe Wheeler's Civil War era cotton plantations. For over a hundred years Joe's family owned slaves that worked those fields. They bred their slaves like cattle, matching the biggest and strongest for generation upon generation. the legacy of that exists today. There are more athletes that come from schools in that small area than most anywhere else in the state. Most big schools know that you don't want to play even the small teams from that part of the state because you are likely to be sent home with a loss. In addition, that very small area produced an athlete that almost everyone in the world is familiar with, Jesse Owens.

duckhunter  posted on  2008-10-24 14:07:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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