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Title: Drudge Headline: SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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URL Source: http://www.drudgereport.com/
Published: Oct 23, 2008
Author: Drudge
Post Date: 2008-10-23 16:14:45 by christine
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Views: 15965
Comments: 659
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE... DEVELOPING...
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#1. To: christine (#0)
No like report from elsewhere but also no denials.
Obscene, but typical of the messiah's messengers
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Did you notice drudge is a non entity? 4um traffic a little light? It's like a breaking report from Hal Turner. I'm shocked to see you post this garbage.
you prolly did it
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
It happened and Palin is in Pittsburgh tonite.
Two possibilities: 1. One of Obummer's Believers did it. 2. One of McCain's Zombies did it to blame Obummer's Believers.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! He was a black man.
Ah. He did it to himself.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! Here is one article re this incident www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html This is from a few days ago
Police report is out there, MSM will not print it.
Auto-hate crime for sure, then.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! This whole thing is starting to get out of hand. We've had shootings, beatings and now this, All From The Obama Camp I hope this wakes people up.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
a little premature with your attack there, aren't you? why don't we wait to see what develops? i get news from a number of sources including drudge who, incidentally, links to a number of other sources such as breitbart, a reputable and unbiased source as far as i can tell.
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http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html
Woman Attacked At ATM, Assailant Carves Letter Into Her Face Woman Robbed, Attacked With Knife At Bloomfield ATM POSTED: 4:03 pm EDT October 23, 2008 UPDATED: 4:30 pm EDT October 23, 2008 PITTSBURGH -- A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said. Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m. Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said. Richard said the woman refused medical treatment after the assault, which happened outside the view of the bank's surveillance cameras. The robber is described as a dark-skinned black man, 6 feet 4 inches tall, 200 pounds with a medium build, short black hair and brown eyes. The man was wearing dark colored jeans, a black undershirt and black shoes.
MMMMhhmmmmm. Kinda like Joe the Plumber. Turned out to be Joe the Republican plant.
A bit suspicious of circumstances to be making racially motivated accusations.
By who, a black EMT? Did you ever think that maybe the woman didn't want to go to the Emergency Room of a public hospital where she would most likely have to deal with more black people? She was obviously traumatized, and probably called her personal Physician
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
thank you, Pete.
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Must be the Pittsburgh Police faked the whole thing and duped the TV station, that must be it. Shame on them.
Palin jusr HAPPENS to be in town so she prolly did it, dressed in drag with her hunting knife.
who made a racially motivated accusation? i see nothing in that headline that references race.
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If a person is black or a white guilter that lives on their knees, then everything is racist if whitey is involved.
You really are a first class fucking asshole! You know for a fact it was Obanger or Obanger's people? You know for a fact it couldn't be mcinsanes people? You know for a fact it really happened? Maybe you'll blame it on Ron Paul next because he is from Pittsburgh! No wonder you settled for the lesser of two evils. As I said before, you are a first class fucking asshole.
I humbly recant. That should teach me to jump to snap conclusions. Obama and his hordes are more of the dictatorship of the proles.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! I knew you were off base, but gave you a pass.
The Obamessiah's Worshippers are a bit too tightly wound. I have had, on at least 4 occasions, on late run-in's with some of his worshippers. (I can't say where or how as that would reveal material non-public information.) The level of hostility is that of a group of fanatics.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'd ask you to kick my ass when I go off base but I generally do it myself.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! Are we then to abase ourselves before the image of the Holy Obamessiah and beg his forgiveness for our broken souls?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Double jointed?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Am watching KDKA news here in Pgh. The woman in question is affiliated with the McCain Campaign and is from Texas. Gov. Palin spoke with the victim briefly by phone. The victim is receiving treatment at a local hospital. Police state a possible hate crime. Try kdka.com/homepage/ The video is not yet posted.
No. Low hanging ass.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! Their panties are all in a wad. We have been waiting for the closet white guilters to display themselves and they have done so. I loathe people that live on their knees.
No problem, I know you. that is more than enough. The closet racists have displayed themselves, flung open their overcoat.
Agreed. They are waiting for the Obamessiah to free them from the shackles they have placed upon themselves.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
i posted an article of the slaughtered bear cub with obama signs around its neck the other day. iirc, i found the headline on drudge.
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"White bitches end up in ditches with stitches..." Another crazed Irishman. Arm up boys and girls.
OI... Main stream media will not touch this one, no way. If they do it will be the fault of the young lady that somehow attacked the innocent young man.
Our local knee padding white guilters have sprung from the closet to confront such racism. Now they stand naked before us and it is an ugly sight to behold. Better they stay in their own little closet.
Yup. The only way they'd cover it is if it were a crazed white christian televangelist attacking an elderly black woman. The Presstitutes operate off of a template and anything which does not fit it did not occur.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Sounds like the jew who carved a swastika in her head.
Or the mcinsanemessiah!
You need to expand your source material. You honestly think this is legit. My god.
Two words for them and it isn't happy birthday. Let them continue to live in the world of PC, I prefer reality. BTW, this dark, acting as darks do, probably tossed the state of PA to Mad Mac. Pennsylvania is now ground zero for the resistance. Bibles and guns abound, so my advice to the Os is to stay in their ghettos, and to the WG'ers, find a new home.
Geez, how horrrrrrible.
Jackoff, here in PA it's all over the news. It's an accurate report. If it doesn't fit your racial template, tough shit.
Outside the view of the atm camera. how convenient.
So was the jew story until they figured out it was backwards and she did herself in the mirror. Just coincidentally, the mccain camp needs a race soundbite to help in their campaign in PA. you're sure taking the bait.
MSM not gonna bury this one, they may ignore, cant bury. This along with Murtha and Biden sure do make good copy.
Or the mcinsanemessiah! Careful, your programming is unwinding. Of course it follows logically, in the addled minds of some people, that if one does not worship His Holiness the Savior of the World the Obamessiah who is majestically inerrant (particularly when going after a nice looking young man) that one simply MUST be a supporter of McLunatic. Of course the Oh'Bummer Worshippers are just as nuts as McNutz but that's another story. In short you are simply displaying how tightly mind controlled you are.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Now you're defending MSM. lol you hypocrite.
That report is from the victim and witness, you're has been yanked our of your backside, you slimy WG'er.
Geez, how horrrrrrible. I agree. Anyone associated with the McCain Campaign is definitely in need of active intervention, and the loyal fanatical worshippers of the Obamessiah stand ready to froth at the call.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I smell karl rove in this whole thingy. Gotta get something started so bushkie can declare Marshall Law. We just might see the election suspended pretty soon. Watch and see. Starting a race war plays into the fascist pigs plans to take over completely. Shows how ignorant and stupid we really are. We deserve it too!!!!!!!
So if someone carves an 'M' on your face you will still consider a post about it garbage? Angle, you really need to think before posting the first thing that pops in your head.
God is always good!
well, the picture of the "victim" seems to have disappeared itself already. it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"... just like it would look if she'd drawn the B on her cheek while looking in a mirror. was the picture for real? ...who knows. i've still got the picture in preview mode of 4um. ...i will save it to tinypic and post it.
Disgusting and shameful to see the Saviors worshippers come unwound. Some of the knee padders here should be checked for rabies as it it appears they are frothing at the mouth.
I smell a Pittsburgh nigger.
Yep, six foot four 200 pounds and he shuffles a lot.
They're shocked, SHOCKED, a beast behaves as such. Were TF do they live? What TF have they bought in to? When TF will they wake up???
They are so tightly wound into a false paradigm that they cannot see, think, or reach a rational conclusion. Skin color has nothing to do with it, but fanaticism and mass public mind manipulation does.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Participating in this fraud called an election is acknowledging one is indeed programmed. We have such here that cannot see that.
I guess an Obama believer carving a 'B' is analogous to a Christian carving a cross?
oh, so the bear story wasn't true either?
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from my previous post: it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"... just like it would look if she'd drawn the B on her cheek while looking in a mirror. was the picture for real? ...who knows. i've still got the picture in preview mode of 4um. ...i will save it to tinypic and post it."
dull knife
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards>>>> You will never make detective grade.
Participating in this fraud called an election is acknowledging one is indeed programmed. We have such here that cannot see that. Yes, despite the increasing mountains of data which point at: Mass Mental manipulation via television imagery, subliminals, and content control. Message Control on Schlock Radio. Information Control in Newspapers (along with planted PsyOps writing). Control of the Nomination process such that only those beholden to the controllers can be selected. Rigged voting via Electronic Votefraud Machines and rigged tabulation where they are not use. That these mind numbed robots still hang on to their illusions despite the available facts is a testament to the efficacy of the CIA's Psychiatrists. "It is a terrible thing to waste one's mind." ~ Dan Quayle "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
........and apparently you have lost your mind. Those of you on both sides rooting for your favorite wing of the one party better be careful. There is enough kooks out there on both sides that might be getting offended to the point they might lose it and come after some of us.
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards>>>> You will never make detective grade. Two possibilities: 1. The Perp was standing at her head and facing her feet. (The positioning of the letter would seem to be consistent with this as he would likely have pushed her head to one side thus the position of the letter "B". 2. She did it herself in a mirror. (Certainly possible, but the positioning of the letter does not quite appear right for that.) The data is inconclusive.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
ah. you think a young woman is gonna just lie there and let someone scrape on her face? dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"? not to mention the fact that whoever published that picture could have reversed it in photoshop.... the point being, it's way too soon for a hatefest... you should wait until the dust settles a little bit before you start frothing.
Agreed The pic looks real The perp is an animal who deserves no mercy, I hope they catch him. And when they put him in jail, I'm sure his fellow obama supporters will give him a standing ovation.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
First photo, right hand to the eye, then stand at her head and cut her with the right hand. Second photo, left hand to the eye, right hand to cut. I believe the first makes more sense.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
ah ha...now the B is not upside down. we may or may not ever know what really happened in this case, but i should not have been criticized and maligned, as if i had some ulterior motive, for simply posting a headline.
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none of it makes sense. that's why you should wait before you start spewing hatred all over this motherfucking forum.
Fox has finally picked it up in fine print. Lets see if others follow.
Lets play pretend. Lets pretend this girl is black, and the police report said a white committed the crime. What would Pittsburgh look like tonight? My point being THEIR likely reaction w/be a hate fest, whereas all we're doing is discussing it. That is the very large difference bet. the races.
You might want to temper your vulgar language.
Jews and leftists are the one who make up these make-believe hate crimes. A woman with a black eye and McCain stickers punches herself in the eye and gives herself a black eye like that? Oh, please.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
Fox has finally picked it up in fine print. Lets see if others follow.
you might want to use your brain and stifle your knee-jerk tendency to demonstrate your hatred.
I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.
Agreed and no, you shouldn't have your motives impugned for merely posting an article. That's Freeper/LP BS.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! Jews, leftists and blacks make up bogus hate crimes. Name the last time a white, conservative woman make up a hate crime by punching so hard in the eye she gave herself a shiner like that, then scratched herself like that.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
if your delicate little sensibilities are offended by the word "motherfucker", you can put me on bozo. in the meantime, you and your redneck cohorts have demonstrated, time after time in the short time i've been here, that you'd rather hate than think.
I wouldn't call McCain's followers conservative.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! We do not have bozo... We do like a little more decorum, I do hope you have some societal graces.
I meant the woman probably considers herself a conservative. She doesn't look like a genius.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
You should look up what redneck means. I'll give you a hint. It's a Scots-Irish term.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
The term conservative was stolen and prostituted by Bush and his crew, therefor I have become an American. No pub, dem, lib, con, none of that slime, rather an American.
so i wont be accepted into your "society" until i start demonstrating "societal graces", graces that presumably include spewing race hate at the slightest opportunity. sorry, old fellow, you're just gonna have to put up with my lack of "societal graces", as defined by the redneck cabal.
Redneck cabal? OMG, I'm laughing at that one.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
She doesn't look believable now that I see her.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! Now who's spewing hate, you naughty little porchmonkey?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Have at all the hating and name calling you desire. You are not the first one nor the last. However, your vulgar language is too much and it is ungentlemanly to use such around polite people. At home with your family, feel free to vent your vulgar spleen, just not here.
I appreciate your forum and I apologize for posting in such a tone to you. You're posting more and more circus as if it's worthy of comment. If you didn't know you'd stir up the Obama haters, then you haven't been paying attention. Drudge? Really. It's like posting O'Really and calling it fair and balanced.
I think you nailed it. Anyone not maligning Obama more than McCain is an Obamaphile aka white guilter.
The difference being that Christine hasn't cut your microphone.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
hehehehehehehehehe Touche..
As King, I shall order him to beat his forehead against the wall until some sense seeps in. Couple hours should do it.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
Well she has a blog....sorry I smell a rat here Life in the Field is a group blog starring the 50 College Republican field representatives and you. https://lifeinthefield.com/users/ashley-todd
It's her board. If she wants to post old National Geographic articles all day, it's her biz. We're here by her efforts and on her dime. I've never seen her be impolite to anyone here. She deserves twice the consideration in return.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! the fact remains: there is a large percentage of you people who leap on any sleazy little opportunity to vent your hatred... ...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over... especially when you go off half-cocked, as you do so often... ...this present thread being just one more example. . i spose i could make you a deal: you tolerate my vulgarity and i will tolerate your hatred...
Who the hell knows? Did it trigger a race fest here on 4UM?
Some grown people with their vulgar language remind me of the first grader that just learned a new word at school and wants to try it out. By the way, our friend seems not to realize the language he uses is....black language...not white in origin.
Define race fest.
I've made my position perfectly clear to christine. If she thinks I'm out of line let me know.
"I smell a Pittsburgh nigger." Jethro Tull "Yep, six foot four 200 pounds and he shuffles a lot." cynicom
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
white people dont say "motherfucker". huh! i learn something every day.
Note the word....origin... That means whites did NOT coin the term. Now you have learned three things in one day.
Some old people with their hatred and cynicism do more damage in this world than people with vulgar language.
aha! so you're saying this site is geared towards racists. who'da guessed?
What has six legs and goes, "Ho-de-doe, hoe-de-doe." Three black guys running for an elevator.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
So you're saying all blacks like street thugs? How enlightened.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Three black guys trying to pimp a door?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
i'm saying that many of you people use the flimsiest pretext to vent your hatred. many of you seem to be sick. you post stuff that's unproven, unreliable, unconfirmed, then rattle on for page after hate-filled page. sick
Are you saying only black rappers can use the word nigger w/o sanction? Please explain.
many of you seem to be sick. Why are you here then? Please, find an exit.
anyhow, this thread proves my contention. anyone reading this thread, and many previous threads that the redneck cabal jumped on, will see what i'm talking about. that's too bad, but that's how it is. ...and i dont think i have to say anything else, because you people have proved my point.
you post stuff that's unproven, unreliable, unconfirmed, then rattle on for page after hate-filled page. This story was verified by multiple sources. If you're upset with the realities of the way inner city blacks behave, take it up with them.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
No skin off my back. Maybe you could go lecture the Amish for shunning apostates.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Looks like another white guilter, knee padder has come out of the closet????? Self hating type people. Exposing their true selves for all to see, and it is a sorry sight.
the patriarch of the haters says i hate myself because i dont hate black people. do you think that's sound logic?
Please, find an exit. I blew that idiot "wadosy" off a week ago ... all he/she does is ask stupid questions ... who needs it ?
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right. Doug Scheidt 10-21-08
What's sad about these people is that they think they are doing something noble. Probably have never actually had any black friends, their only interaction seems to be the social worker/client relationship. Well I do have black friends, not middle class, either, but working class, and they are appalled by the rampant criminality and irresponsibility that all but defines the inner city crowd.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Have it as you like. Its free. Just curb your vulgar language and we will get along fine.
nobility's got nothing to do with it. blowing holes in your muddled thinking... that's what it's about.
WG'ers are feckless souls. They'll self exile soon (there's actually no other way out of here, given christine's 1st amendment policy)
That's a nice justifier. Now define "Redneck" cabal. The 3 or 4 people who actually behave as racists, or is that anyone who does not agree with your narrowminded insular microencephalic viewpoint? I hate to tell you this bucko, but there are blacks who are just as irrational and racist as any klansman. I've met the type and dealt with them. Met one just yesterday as a matter of fact. A black woman with an MBA who regards virtually any comment from any white person as a personal affront. Irrationality is not confined to a few "Crackers". (Oh, by the way - free blacks owned slaves in the Old South too.)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
would you like to explain the logic behind the old man's contention that, since i dont hate blacks, i hate myself?
did i say there were not? hate is hate, and no matter what color the hater is, it's destuctive. and that's just how it is.
The muddled thinking that thinks violent thugs should be taken to task regardless of the color of their skin. What the hell was I thinking?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I can't speak for anyone, it was you that chose to lump me in with everyone you disagree with.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
you guys try all these feeble little rationales to justify the obvious fact that (1) your logic is haywire, and (2) you're frustrated by the success of a person that you hate because of the color of his skin.
I agree, and I work very hard to hate no one - not even that vile piece of filth in the White House. However, I also believe in calling a spade "a spade", and the reality is that inner city black america is illiterate, self destructive, and seething with hatred and resentment. Not that they have no reason to be upset, but that it is never OK to hate.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
would you like to explain the logic behind the old man's contention that, since i dont hate blacks, i hate myself? I can't speak for anyone, it was you that chose to lump me in with everyone you disagree with. in other words, you cant explain the old man's logic. good enough
Bashing ATM customers on the head is a sign of success? Maybe you should examine your own logic.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
And exactly how did O arrive at this success? Luck? Ability? $500,000,000 in small contributions from Harlem Negros?
I learned long ago not to get into arguments about what was in other peoples heads. Damned shame you seemed destined to keep trying.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
ah. that's why you're defending the racist patriarch of 4um. i see.
it's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it... or would you rather we let this doofus logic prevail on this forum?
I see, you're not just plain stupid, you've been taught stupid.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
you cant answer the question, so you gots to call me names. good enough
Does it occur to anyone here that we are being distracted from something.. The story has sensatioanlistic overtones.. What are we not supposed to see?
Myself, I'd gank your account and start faking confessions from you about cannibalism, but that's not Christine's style.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
You were asking me to justify what someone else posted. Ever heard the term "Guilt By Association"?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
you are content with cynicom's logic that says: because i dont hate black people, i hate myself.
Why are you arguing with me about what Cynicom posted?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I live in PA and parts of Pittsburgh is a crime ridden dump. It's hard for me to ignore the simplest explanation.
Cuz he hates himself! Snicker.
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
what we need here, i guess, is an estimation from you of cynicom's mental ability... you dont seem to see any need to point out his logical inconsistencies, so i guess readers will be excused for assuming you think hatred based on race is okay. i dont really see what other conclusion readers can come to.
I think a reasonable conclusion people can reach is that white guilt is a mental disease and you show all the manifestations of the disorder.
Yes, you caught me. I actually hate my black friends, and only hang out with them because I'm taking notes to eventually be turned over to Cynicom so he can put all our dope-smoking asses in jail. Feel better?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
ah. since i have not joined the redneck cabal in bashing blacks on the slightest pretext, i hate myself. would you mind explaining the logic behind that?
why are you so reluctant to point out the illogic of cynicom's position, that position being: since i dont hate blacks, i hate myself?
Is everyone who dislikes thugs that bash ATM customers on the head a redneck, in your estimation?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
nope. but anyone who, after repeated urging to do so, refuses to acknowledge the illogic inherent in cynicom's "white guilt" argument is on shaky ground.
Interesting how you ignore the negro criminal but attack the whites who come to the victim's defense. This, my aged old fool, qualifies you for the white guilter of the day award. Report to the nest for delivery.
Because you lack the ability to differentiate between hating blacks and hating thugs. You apparently equate blacks with thugs and will defend the latter to the great detriment of the former.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
i say again: any of you people who, after repeated urging to do so, refuse to acknowledge the illogic inherent in cynicom's "white guilt" argument is on shaky ground.
The story has sensatioanlistic overtones.. What are we not supposed to see? Excellent point. "We have a winner Johnny, now tell her what she's won!"
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
You people?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I do believe the "Mother Ship" is calling. Can't you hear it?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Is the invisible cloaking device up?
Freedom4um is geared towards lovers of and respecters of the First Amendment or, if you will, non PCers. It is time for me to address the issue of "free speech" on Freedom4um. My free speech means that I have 100% control over what I say and everyone else has 0% control over what I say. Now, I understand that there are consequences to exercising my right to free speech, but I still retain 100% control. Free speech means that I have a right to express or spew thoughts and words of preference, love, hate, or anything with which another may disagree. That said, the rules or policies of this forum, which is my private property (see this forum's Mission Statement), are that members can exercise free speech as long as they (1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target, (2) earnestly debate or discuss the relevant issues that are part and parcel of this forum's reason-to-be. Let me remind you that these are rules for this forum and, as such, do not necessarily apply off of this forum, as public laws should, in most cases, be even less restrictive than private property rules and regulations. Again, free speech on this forum means that people can express their love or hatred for anyone, any group, any race, any culture, or any thing, as long as they adhere to the two contingencies listed above. Everyone else on this forum is similarly at liberty to exercise their free speech right to challenge, debate, argue, or agree with the ideas and speech of another. We will not censor speech as we abhor political correctness and authoritarianism as well as those thought-control and speech-control tyrants who would restrict another's speech. Any limitation on thought and speech constitutes the first level of the destruction of all remaining rights. Afterall, the framers of the Constitution believed that free speech was the most fundamental right to be protected which was the reason that they placed it FIRST in the Bill of Rights. I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction. Many people have no concept of what Free Speech and Freedom really mean. Do you?
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Ship's Cloak Activated Sir!
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
any of you white people who refuse to confront the illogic of cynicom's argument "if they dont hate blacks, they hate themselves" must be racists. at the very least, you dont mind being taken for racists by any casual passerby that reads your threads and watches you kowtowing to this crap.
Abe Foxman paid me 15 bucks to pop Dakmar's tire. Does that mean I'm banned? Would you consider spanking instead?
I don't give a rat's ass what any lurker thinks about my comments. Update: Pittsburgh PD releases artists' sketch of perp who attacked white woman: at least you're honest, which is more than i can say for some.
I get called racist for opposing affirmative action, welfare, crack babies, drive-by shootings, pimps, and purple polyester. Why should any of these things be sacred to either of us?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Dak, the founders were racists to these crackpots.
i didnt say they were sacred. based on evidence, i'd say they were bad ideas... especially the purple polyester. but i notice, once again, that you refuse to acknowledge the illogic of cynicom's argument that, if i dont hate blacks, i hate myself. why is that?
Shame on her, shame I say, for dulling his knife blade with her face! Oh the humanity!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Once again, because you call anyone who dares point out the disproportionate dysfunction rampant among blacks a racist, yet you revel in ridiculing impoverished whites with your cracks about crackers, or remarks about rednecks, whatever the hell you were babbling about.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
why are you unable to acknowledge the illogic of cynicom's argument?
Funny her eye isn't swollen. I really wouldn't put anything past the Bush Syndicate.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I heard a football player one time who said, "A mind is a terrible thang." And that is not a typo, that is how he said it (except I don't know how to spell terrible to make it look the way he made it sound).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Why are you unable to understand that I refuse to be a spokesman for everyone who you disagree with? Not my problem, man. It's getting old.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
well, anybody who's willing to drive airplanes into buildings as an excuse to kill millions and steal their oil ... well, they're probably capable of about anything.
so you come up with all these lame attempts to avoid pointing out the logical inconsistencies of cynicom's argument. i guess we will just have to wonder: why is that?
Who are you to call Cynicom illogical? Are you assuming that we agree with your assessment of what is and is not logical?? Perspective, perspective...
LOL, I remember when I was like 5 or 6 visiting my second cousins in NE Kentucky and my cousin cut her finger. I had to ask my Mom, "Mom, what's a fanger?"
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
please explain to us how it logically follows that, if i dont hate blacks, i hate myself.
i guess we will just have to wonder: why is that? I've told you at least twice why he would have made that remark, not to mention at least five times I've told you I don't give a crap what other folks say. Keep wondering, Alice. Feed your head.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I heard a football player one time who said, "A mind is a terrible thang." And that is not a typo, that is how he said it (except I don't know how to spell terrible to make it look the way he made it sound). How 'bout tar'bull?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
i'm not interested in why cynicom made the remark; that's obvious. what i'm trying to pry out of you is acknowledgement that his argument is illogical, and based on his racism.
Is this what we can expect from the aging process; to repeatedly ask people what other people mean?
now all we have to do is figure out why you are unable to acknowledge the illogic.
as long as this guy is willing to tapdance instead of anwering the question, i guess i will ask that question for as long as pleases me. like it or lump it.
It only seems illogical based on your own racist perspective which holds that blacks should not be held to societal norms due purely to the color of their skin.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Again: your allegation that Cynicom is illogical. I perceive him to be extremely consistent based upon his posts.
I am hurt, hurt I tell you! I thought this is where they looked to for all their commentary to gain street cred.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. so societal norms for white people dictate that any white person who doesnt hates blacks hates himself. good enough
:)
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
In your case, yes, that sounds about right. But you knew that already.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
agreed. he's logical if you're a racist. in the meantime, you are unable to explain why, if i dont hate blacks, i hate myself, as per cynicom's argument.
good. we're finally getting this ground down to the essence of your racist beliefs: any white person that doesnt hate blacks hates himself. ...and logic be damned. okay
Pops....people can't speak to other peoples comments. That said, Cyni has you right; you appear to be a self loathing white who fails to comment on the criminal, but rather the white victim. You'll have no value in the post Obama world, so why not get a head start and find a more comfy fit?
yes, it is possible that this could be a reverse Tawana Brawley or Duke lacrosse case.
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No, just you. And you seem to hate blacks, too, implying that to a man they support muggers and assorted thugs.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
so illogical thought progressions are valid. good enough.
Calling me a racist is the understatement of your lifetime. I'm a white nationalist, white separatist, and white segregationist as long as the National Council of La Raza/National Urban League/NAACP/etc. exist.
No, just you. And you seem to hate blacks, too, implying that to a man they support muggers and assorted thugs. ah. so now, i not only hate myself, i hate blacks. isnt that a logical contradiction of cynicom's argument, or am i a special case?
Yes, Mr. Spock. Now go sharpen those ears.
That was the first thing that crossed my mind, but damnit I think we've got us some real live Frankfurt School grads on this thread.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Maybe you could look into some sort of twelve step program.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
And judging by the stir it has created here think what Rush and friends will have cooking tomorrow - The October Surprise?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" If we all want to get really clever, we might conclude if it isn't a Tawana Brawley or Duke lacrosse case, they might make this poor kid into one. Me, I'm taking her on face value, given what I know of our darker brethren and the area she was in.
so nobody can show proof of the logic of the proposition that any white man that doesnt hate blacks hates himself. ...which begs the question: should we hate any person who isnt white? should we hate white people with tans? and what about all the people who dont seem to be exactly white, but might show tinges of ...er... color? should any person of suspect color be required to carry proof of attendance at tanning salons, or proof of residence in places with lots of sun?
#104. To: bluegrass (#96) Well she has a blog....sorry I smell a rat here being a College Republican groupie and all Life in the Field is a group blog starring the 50 College Republican field representatives and you. https://lifeinthefield.com/users/ashley-todd
many of you seem to be sick. you post stuff that's unproven, unreliable, unconfirmed, then rattle on for page after hate-filled page. sick Why would an enlightened, loving individual like yourself associate with such sick people? You could surely find folks more to your liking on Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Try it again in English and maybe I'll get back to you. Maybe.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
who said i loved anyone?
Here's another shocker for you: I despise Obummer because of his political philosophy. At most I refer to him as the Mulatto From Chicago.
Try it again in English and maybe I'll get back to you. so you guys have failed at logic, you've failed at namecalling, you've failed at tapdancing, and now you figure you got me corned cause i did a typo. what heroes!
have you ever heard of Defensive Racism?
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Wouldn't a recent shiner like that cause a lot of swelling?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" yeah. i think someone posted it the other day. i got a little into it, and decided that ...was it a birdman thing? ...that it had some points. on the other hand, it didnt seem to address the question i've been asking: is there any logic in the proposition that whites who dont hate blacks hate themselves? would you like to take a crack at explaining that logic?
I get your point, now what about this. Do you think if what she is reporting is true, the PTB can paint her a liar? A yes or no will suffice.
Another English translation please.
this wasn't birdman. click on the link. it's Edgar J. Steele.
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Yes.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Not necessarily - at least not right away - next day maybe some puffiness as blood is circulated in at higher volume to repair the injury. I saw a guy I knew who had one so bad it broke blood vessels in his eyes making them look like something out of horror movie, but only just a little puffiness.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Still don't get it do you? I could not care less about melanin, it's purely a question of culture. Why shed these crocodile tears for a black mugger while condemning to your little "redneck cabal" everyone who is pissed off about violent crime? Forget Cynicom, forget "violent" crime for that matter, what I want to know is how did you get so screwed up that you hate everyone that denounces criminals while taking the side of those that smash the innocent upside the head and then go berserk on them over a bumper-sticker?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
oh, i'm pretty sure you get my drift.
and you still are unable to explain cynicom's logic. you are unable to explain how it automatically follows that i hate myself if i dont hate blacks. very good
So you've got all of your enemies cornered now because I'm a smartass? Good luck with that one at Columbia, Jelsik.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
okay, thanks.
I'll be blunt here....the BS meter is bouncing red ....sort of like Jews who paint swastika on synagogues
Still don't get it do you? I could not care less about melanin, it's purely a question of culture. Why shed these crocodile tears for a black mugger while condemning to your little "redneck cabal" everyone who is pissed off about violent crime? Forget Cynicom, forget "violent" crime for that matter, what I want to know is how did you get so screwed up that you hate everyone that denounces criminals while taking the side of those that smash the innocent upside the head and then go berserk on them over a bumper-sticker? Exactly the point. It is culture not color. Now color has had an influence on the culture - some because of past racial injustice and some just out resentment and angriness at others - irrationally so. I thought Bill Cosby summed it up nicely: 'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk... Why you ain't Where you is What he drive Where he stay Where he work Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. ;< /SPAN> And then I heard the father talk. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact, you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what?? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics. I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2?? Where were you when he was 12?? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?? And where is the father?? Or, who is his father? People putting their clothes on backward, isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Or, are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from?? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans. They don't know a thing about Africa . With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail. Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today, a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal- Mart with seven kids... you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard. We cannot blame the white people any longer. - Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
From Obama... " Meanwhile, late this afternoon, the Obama-Biden campaign released a statement, saying: "This is a horrendous act of violence. Our thoughts and prayers are with the young woman for her to make a speedy recovery, and we hope that the person who perpetrated this crime is swiftly apprehended and brought to justice."
nope. you failed at everything else, now you have to resort to nitpicking. well, you gotta play the hand you're dealt, and judging from your performance, you're playing a pretty piss-poor hand.
"Anything you see in me is in you. If you want to see a vicious killer, that's who you'll see, do you understand that? If you see me as your brother, that's what I'll be. It all depends on how much love you have. I am you, and when you can admit that, you will be free. I am just a mirror." - Charlie Manson
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
The black one gives the kid more sympathy that the white guilters. Very telling, isn't it.
let's see... i dont think i've asked you yet... would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's assertion that white people who dont hate blacks hate themselves?
well, you gotta play the hand you're dealt, and judging from your performance, you're playing a pretty piss-poor hand. Ask me about cynicom again.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
i really dont think charlie manson quotes explain the logic behind cynicom's assertion that white people who dont hate blacks hate themselves. do you?
My goodness, already 5 or 6 and didn't know what a fanger was? LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I never thought Obama would defend some psycho thug who bashes ATM users on the noggin. I don't think it's just a political ploy on his part, he seems sensible enough to get why most folks dislike being cracked across the head during the commission of a violent crime. It's a shame not everyone does.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Give me an exact word for word quote not your fractured bizarro interpretation.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
do you? He's as blind as he can be And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
It never happened....don't get your pants in a knot
this might be of interest to you: Shelby Steele (a black man who coined the term White Guilt and who authored the book, White Guilt-How Whites and Blacks Together Destroyed The Promise of the Civil Rights Era) The age of white guilt: and the disappearance of the black individual
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you're not thinking about voting for monkey boy are you? Or are you.......
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Well, that is close but not exactly the way he said it. It was way funny.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Not until that post. :)
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
You give every indication of being a head case.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "white guilt"... sounds like a theory that was exploited during the civil rights movement to institute lame programs that would antagonize white people... must go hand in hand with "black culture"... think of the opportunities all this strife will produce once our masters decide they need to clamp down a little harder. i wonder who the leaders of the civil rights movement were in those good ol' days, and i wonder why an israeli american, the biggest contributor to the democrat party, has seen fit to buy the largest spanish-speaking television network in the US. it's my guess that, if i dont hate hispanics, i hate myself.
I'm sorry to hear that, I always thought you were smarter.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Well, that is close but not exactly the way he said it. It was way funny. Sometimes regional accents and drawls can have an interesting flavor. I have done a little studying on regional accents, the South in particular, and reejnal drawwwls kin very qwaht a beet depending upon where yur at. I'm biased I must admit since a lot of my family hails from Tennessee and I think the Tennessee drawl the most elegant. Although South Carolina is very similar but just a little bit shorter - Tennesseans tennnd tooo draw their words out jussssssst a bit.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
sounds like a theory that was exploited during the civil rights movement to institute lame programs that would antagonize white people... Obama seems to realize that it was a bad thing the young man did. Our resident white guilters wont even agree with their own Savior... They have no shame, but Obama is man enough and gentleman enough to step up for what is right, but not our white guilters.
are you attempting to say that the civil rights movement did not count on instilling guilt feelings in whites, and count on exploiting those guilt feelings? are you trying to imply that the special programs for blacks have not been destructive of american blacks? are you gonna deny that we need a black underclass to buy the drugs that support a large portion of the off-the-books government operations? are you gonna say that, once the time comes to crack down, race wars wont provide a fine pretext? will you tell me that i wasnt with a marine helicopter squadron during the LA race riots, and we were not prepared to ferry marines up to LA, using the coliseum as a landing zone?
"white guilt"... sounds like a theory that was exploited during the civil rights movement to institute lame programs that would antagonize white people... must go hand in hand with "black culture"... think of the opportunities all this strife will produce once our masters decide they need to clamp down a little harder. i wonder who the leaders of the civil rights movement were in those good ol' days, and i wonder why an israeli american, the biggest contributor to the democrat party, has seen fit to buy the largest spanish-speaking television network in the US. it's my guess that, if i dont hate hispanics, i hate myself. You are such a delightful mix of disinformation and misconceptions that it is a pleasure to read your posts. Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here. It is like having "Turtle's" mirror image. Yin and Yang. Dumb and Dumber.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
too bad you dont have the wherewithal to refute those "ill informed and paradoxical positions".
too bad you dont have the wherewithal to refute those "ill informed and paradoxical positions". Not lack of wherewithal - lack of interest. Yawn. I am not interested in playing that game - just as I generally do not go after the poison pens of racist screeds. Both extremes are irrational and founded upon opinions which lack substantiation in fact. One might as well argue with the fog. You caught my interest momentarily only because of your ill grace and inability to state a reasoned position without resorting to epithets and personal attacks. If one is going to combat irrationality one should not behave irrationally in doing so. For what is worth I have spent some time countering the occasional racist commentary which I saw as equally ill founded as your knee-jerk, and I do mean jerk, reactions.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
That was an assumption on my part. Sorry if there is no you you care for. Must be a terrible life.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. first of all, i didnt say i didnt love anyone. second of all, it's none of your business who i love.
so you dont care enough about your position to refute positions you attack. good enough
James... One has to wonder about the mass hysteria of MSM had the colors been reversed. Bush would have to call out the National Guard. Media would be blaring it from the rooftops. Shame on the MSM and white guilters.
Yes, those of us in the south have our own unique way of speaking, our own dialects. And I love all of 'em. Heck, I like all the dialects all over the country as long as I can make out what they're saying.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. guess i'll ask you again... please explain why, if i dont hate blacks, i must hate myself.
Or a frog. ;^)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Specially when leanin agin a fence sippun whiskey.
are we to assume, if you dont hate chinese, you hate yourself? do we have equal opportunity hatred working here, or is this something else?
One has to wonder about the mass hysteria of MSM had the colors been reversed. Bush would have to call out the National Guard. Media would be blaring it from the rooftops. Shame on the MSM and white guilters. I suspect you are correct. I can almost hear the caterwauling from the lame stream media if such a thing had happened.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. good enough There you go again - imputing motives to others without justification or placing them in a sound argument. I make it a rule to never argue with someone who is irrational. They are immune to logic and reason. One might say "Invincibly Ignorant". Racism, just as apologetics for criminal acts because they are conducted by a member of certain race, is irrational. One does not counter insanity by arguing with it as that merely feeds it. Oh, by the way, who do you work for? NSA? AIPAC? CIA? CENTCOM?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
when it comes time to implement a final solution to the race problem, will we be required to dust off that slogan from our heroic pioneer days, and paraphrase it? "the only good black is a dead black." "the only good hispanic is a dead hispanic." "the only good jew is a dead jew."
Specially when leanin agin a fence sippun whiskey. 'Specially. :-) Now that I think about I do seem to recall that there were a few family members involved in the business of Distilling Spirits - informally of course. :-)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
imputing motives to others without justification or placing them in a sound argument. what does "lack of interest" mean? could it just possibly be that you cant refute my positions, and are trying to diguise the simple fact that you're out of ammo?
Isn't it amusing that the Obama functionaries, had this girl had been black and an O supporter, would have been yelling racism in the streets. Here we have a white kid apparently assaulted by an O supporter, and the Obama functionaries are still yelling racism.
I stand by my earlier guess that wadosy is a county social worker with a nobility complex.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
and you're 100% wrong. too damn bad that a display of common human decency is derided as a "nobility complex", isnt it?
"the only good black is a dead black." "the only good hispanic is a dead hispanic." "the only good jew is a dead jew." "kill whitey." You forgot the most important slogan.
You forgot the most important slogan. have i ever said that there's no such thing as shitheaded black people?
Ask the redneck cabal, whiner.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Does that mean I'm right about you being a county social worker?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
i thought you gave up on namecalling a couple pages ago. i guess not... meanwhile, you're still unable to explain the logic behind cynicom's assertion that if i dont hate blacks, i hate myself.... which must explain why you have to fall back, again, on namecalling.
The "racism card" like it's partner the "anti-semitism card" has become the universal knee-jerk reaction and pre-emptive defense if someone notices bad behavior by an individual member of said group. They exist mainly to silence critics of the behavior of SOME members of said groups by implying that one holds a disdain for ALL members of that group by virtue of criticizing the behavior of SOME member of that sacred group. It is cultural balkanization. That is why the CIA et. al., offed MLK and did their best to drive a stake through the heart of the Civil Rights Movement. The Civil Rights Movement was on the verge of winning the day and uniting members white and black in the family of man. By murdering King, the unifying force - with his powerful oratory skills, they were able to fracture the coalescing united front. As well Black America was attacked with government programs to degrade them into what we see now - with high rates of illiteracy, a dysfunctional anti-education culture, and rampant criminality - as the illiterate are often without hope and turn to crime. Welfare, ADC, and Food Stamps were not set up to help Black America but to disable them. The key goals of the original Civil Rights Movement were education, and equal access. That was turned and blunted into illiteracy and self segregation.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Really? Shit, I should have tried to borrow money from you.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
What reason does inner city black America have to be upset? If they are self-destructive, aren't they responsible for the situation they find themselves in today? Now with Affirmative Action in place, any black child or teen who maintains a B- average can easily get a free ride at a private school or elite college, institutions that like to meet their quota of minorities so they can get their accreditation renewed/get extra points in the USA Today annual listing of top colleges. I would agree that older blacks who suffered greatly from racism during pre-Civil Rights era have good reasons for feeling upset. But young blacks today have many opportunities offered to them that are not offered to non-blacks. All young blacks need to do today is keep out of legal trouble and get minimally average grades at school and they can write their own ticket out of the ghettos.
I stand by my earlier guess that wadosy is a county social worker with a nobility complex. Or a Teacher - who has never taught in an inner-city skool.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Johnny Wad needs to take a glimpse at the Thug Report
but, after that thought-provoking and stimulating essay, you're still unable to explain why it's necessary for me to hate myself if i dont hate blacks.
I didn't say anything about "shitheaded black people". I just pointed out the one slogan that is used by every other race on the planet.
meanwhile, you're still unable to explain the logic behind cynicom's assertion that if i dont hate blacks, i hate myself.... which must explain why you have to fall back, again, on namecalling. Would you rather I post the collected speeches of Dr. Amos Wilson? Because I will, you know.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
go for it. maybe we'll find an explanation of cynicom's logic, in there, somewhere.
I can't find the references now, but the American left has been using blacks as a vanguard to destroy this country for years. What we are seeing today is the culmination of their strategy, a strategy that couldn't be successful w/o the help of a new wing of the American left - the neoliberal.
while you're posting the collected speeches of amos wilson, maybe i'll look up hitler's description of jewish debate tactics. then readers can make up their minds what shoe fits whom.
...radical white racists who seem to think that any white man that doesnt hate blacks hates himself.
McCain supporter robbed, assaulted By Jill King Greenwood A knife-wielding man robbed a McCain-Palin campaign volunteer and etched a “B” into her face after he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the woman’s car, Pittsburgh police said. Ashley Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas, was using an ATM at Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street in Bloomfield just before 9 p.m. Wednesday when a man approached her, put a knife to her throat and demanded $60, police said. Todd handed the man $60 she had in her pocket and stepped away from him, investigators said. The man then noticed the bumper sticker on the woman's car, which was parked in front of the ATM. The man became very angry, made comments to Todd about John McCain and punched her in the back of the head, knocking her to the ground, police said. "He continued to kick and punch her repeatedly and said he would teach her a lesson for supporting John McCain," said police Chief Nate Harper. The man then carved the "B" into Todd's right cheek. Todd, who isn't familiar with the area, drove to a friend's house nearby and told her friend she wasn't sure of the exact location where the robbery took place but remembered a green sign above the ATM. The friend called police and the officer met them on Cypress Street in Bloomfield, police said. Todd's friend offered to drive her back in the direction she came from to look at ATMs until she found the right one, police said. A police officer followed until Todd pointed out a Citizens Bank ATM at Liberty and Pearl, police said. She declined medical treatment at the scene and said she would go to a hospital today. Todd declined to comment. "She is a volunteer for the McCain-Palin campaign," said campaign spokesman Peter Feldman. "Sen. McCain has reached out to her via telephone and has spoken to her and her family,” as has McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Feldman said. “Out of respect for her privacy we're not going to comment further." Democrat Barack Obama's campaign released a statement saying: “Our thoughts and prayers are with the young woman for her to make a speedy recovery, and we hope that the person who perpetrated this crime is swiftly apprehended and brought to justice." Police described the suspect as black, about 6-foot-4, and said he was wearing dark-colored jeans and a black undershirt. The ATM has a security camera and investigators are trying to watch the video, police said. Jill King Greenwood can be reached at jgreenwood@tribweb.com or 412-321-2160.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Go back to your FBI masters and tell them that you failed.
you need to work on your photoshop technique.
Rather odd that for real or a hoax or whatever, both candidates seem to be well aware of it but MSM refuses to headline or banner it. We all know what would be the headlines were the roles reversed. Recall the Duke thing.
What reason does inner city black America have to be upset? If they are self-destructive, aren't they responsible for the situation they find themselves in today? Now with Affirmative Action in place, any black child or teen who maintains a B- average can easily get a free ride at a private school or elite college, institutions that like to meet their quota of minorities so they can get their accreditation renewed/get extra points in the USA Today annual listing of top colleges. I would agree that older blacks who suffered greatly from racism during pre-Civil Rights era have good reasons for feeling upset. But young blacks today have many opportunities offered to them that are not offered to non-blacks. All young blacks need to do today is keep out of legal trouble and get minimally average grades at school and they can write their own ticket out of the ghettos. Yes, people are always responsible for their own condition. However, Black America has been attacked and degraded in subtle ways without realizing they were under attack. Without writing a long essay, which I would have go dig references for, the short answer is that Black America - particularly inner city has been the object of a prolonged PsyOps Program aimed at creating what we have now - a marginalized and dysfunctional sub-culture. As I alluded to in my above post - following the murder of Dr. King - Lyndon Bane Johnson helped to push through "give-away" programs which were a Trojan Horse. The result of the give-away programs was predictable, and engineered. Welfare programs that penalized an intact family unit resulted in the break-up of the Black Family, the drug culture - pushed by the CIA and it's Psychiatrists - was planted to further disrupt, and Food Stamps made it possible, along with subsidized/free housing, to not work and achievement nearly unnecessary. You will note that one of the constant complaints about the inequity of those programs is that it is much easier for a Black Person than a White Person to get on them. That is by intent as they were intended as a means to neuter and render less powerful Black America's drive for equality. Now we have a culture implanted with the notion, a destructive one, that to get educated and to speak correct english is "acting white" and so to not "act white" ebonics and illiteracy are "in". It is a very sick scene which has been perpetrated upon Black America. There are other facets and one could go into more detail but that is the bare thumbnail.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
the media's been burned so many times by jewish false flag operations, they're probably waiting to see how it pans out. this is about the lowest rent "mutilation" i've ever seen, assuming the pictures are genuine, and the fact that she refused to go to the hospital makes it even more weird. meanwhile, the candidates have to cover their asses. and by the way, would you like to explain why it's necessary that i hate myself if i dont hate black people? what if i also dont hate hispanics? does that mean i hate myself twice as much?
I wouldn't call it the "left" per se - although they were co-opted into the program and are largely a bunch of guilt ridden suckers. The programs that were so successful at destroying the Civil Rights Movement and Black America are now being applied to White America with devastating effect. Literacy levels have collapsed and the US is no longer even in the top ten on literacy. See my post above. (#303)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
want to explain how dumbing everyone down makes them more susceptible to, for instance, tales of afghan cavemen knocking down skyscrapers in new york city?
want to explain how dumbing everyone down makes them more susceptible to illogical premises that argue that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates themselves?
Your free speech seems to lend itself to crying about being called on posting this sensationalistic garbage and then ignoring the fact that the racists are crawling out of the woodwork. Free speech...ok, but posts like this promote racism. Maybe you think it's perfectly ok. I think comes from a lesser intelligence or consciousness. I'm sorry to see it here in such a majority.
Why is the story sensationalistic garbage ?
The short answer is that people with low levels of literacy also have low levels of knowledge i.e., they are ignorant in the non-perjorative sense. People who are ignorant have no knowledge base to inform them and they are thus more easily the prey of those selling snake oil. Semi-literate people jammed through an education system that enforces tunnel vision i.e., specialized degrees results in people very knowledgable about less and less and hence they as well are functionally ignorant beyond their narrow sphere. Thusly you wind up with people working on Wall Street to whom it was a complete surprise to find out that the Federal Reserve is as Federal as Federal Express.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Why are you a racist?
So it is. So she can. So we are. If she doesn't want me to post here, I would like her to let me know.
you might throw in there, also, the work of the advertising agencies. once the people are dumbed down, once they become dependent on television, they are exposed to the work of madison avenue. if you've ever tried to follow the logic of a commercial, you'll realize that logic has nothing to do with selling something... that shit is aimed right at the mammalian brain that houses our instincts, and if can short circuit our new brain, the one that does the real thinking, so much the better. we have to assume that commericals have two aims: first, disable the centers of critical thought and logic, and second, drive straight into the part of the brain where our basic instincts lie.
The truth will out, as some old geezer once said. I personally don't see any sense in liking or disliking a person based on nothing other than their race, while I see a great deal of harm in the government and other powerful institutions trying to forcibly prevent people from noticing that social engineering more often than not leads to conflict.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
whatever. your opinion. well, i've got one too. i think you're pretty arrogant with your assertion that the majority of contributors to this discussion are of lesser intelligence or consciousness.
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Here's some stats, Mr. Angle. I hope they don't disturb your sensibilities. Now I'll ask again, what is it about that kids story that is sensational garbage? Race, Crime, and Justice in America Second, Expanded Edition, 2005 Click for the free PDF version Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities. Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery. When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife. Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate. The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic. Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent. Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black. Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery. Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa. Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white. Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely. Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million. Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely. yes yes the people contributing to this discussion are highly intelligent, hyper- conscious racists. otherwise, they'd be able to explain their theory that any white person who doesnt hate blacks hates themselves.
I prefer the term "mentally handi-capable".
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Thats not fair, using facts and statistics. It does not leave wiggle room for white guilters on their little knee pads.
I prolly would have lent it to you, too
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Are these results a function of color or class?
I think (know) swelling of ruptured tissue occurs within ninety minutes to a few hours, like two, or much less, of the original injury. The reason is that the vascular system is ruptured and the bloodstream floods into the region of the injury. Causing fairly immediate swelling of the sensitive area around the eye, which is well supplied with blood, so the swelling would have happened quickly. It is unreasonable to believe the photo would have been taken quickly after the alleged assault. Maybe I am wrong. Too bad the MSM has destroyed its credibility - it is not my fault.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" WG'ers normally disregard stats that don't conform to their racial view. They also tend to have lived a sheltered life, gaining whatever racial view they hold from MSM propaganda.
...are truth. which probably explains why six million jews still died in death camps after the auschwitz death toll was reduced by 2.5 million (in 1995) and ground- piercing radar can detect no mass graves at treblinka, where supposedly another 700,000 jews died. by the way, if i dont hate jews, along with not hating blacks and hispanics, does that mean i hate myself three times as much?
Angle said that?????? Good heavens...Here only a few days ago I took him off my bad guy list and now he jumps the harness once again. I will have to convene a board meeting of the forum dummies to see if angle needs to go back on the bad guy list. (Bet you dont know what jump the harness means)
The reason you are feeling out of place on this board is because of the high level of intellect of most posters on this board. Racism has nothing to do with it. You do not understand people who think on this level or you wouldn't post such a ludicrous comment. Or you are just a troll. I don't which is true, but I would like to think you are just a little slow rather than being a troll.
God is always good!
Statistics... Most NY State prisons are in upstate NY and populated by persons from New York City. And 85 per cent of the "innocent victims" are........?????
The stats speak for themselves. Read, concentrate, absorb, learn, enjoy! 3rd attempt - what is it about the police report that you find to be 'sensational garbage'?
what if the stats are true, and are evidence that blacks are being deliberately crippled by institutionalized racism? you gots to admit, that's a possibility. or maybe you dont.
i'm not the one criticizing you, angle. you're the one who's finding fault with what i post and with my free speech policy. and you know what, everyone, whether they admit it or not, is racist to some degree. no one is totally color or culture blind. Defensible Racism<-- -read this and see if you don't agree.
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you're correct. that's an expression i've not heard before. what does it mean?
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Maybe you think it's perfectly ok. I think comes from a lesser intelligence or consciousness. I'm sorry to see it here in such a majority. A. I wouldn't call it a majority. B. Free speech is just that free speech. Protecting the speech of those with whom we violently disagree is necessary for their to be truly free speech. Frankly I look at it and note it as the irrationality that it is and comment where I see necessary. However, having it out in the open also makes it easier to combat where it occurs, BUT I think most thinking adults have gained enough knowledge to recognize, even when they speak wrongly, that racism and bigotry are false idols. As well people identify with those groups to whom they feel members and tend to oppose or remain neutral on those they don't. It is always acceptable to root for the "Home Team" and most do - whatever that "Home Team" might be. Catcalls at the other side of a debate can be acceptable, and must be allowed for open debate, if they remain civil - however ill-founded they might be. Vituperation achieves nothing, not that I can't be snotty, but I always grant people the right to their own opinions even when I disagree and think them ignoramuses.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
aha! so we are allowed to not hate black people who conform to white cultural norms. so we can decline to hate some black people, and still not hate ourselves. boy! that's a relief. i was about to waterboard myself.
In your twisted view, people who don't automatically hate a person because he's black, jew or wealthy are suffering from a delusion. You're sick and hateful, I'm sorry to conclude. I was mistaken to give you as much credibility as I once did. Maybe you and your gang will run off people who don't think like you. Then looky...you get to run your own forum without having to do any of the work and christine ever knew what hit her. Then you and your likeminded people can crow about how bad everything is with no solutions and you won't get any disagreement. Hate black, hate hispanic, hate jew and nobody says boo - perfect "free speech". Kinda like FR, but there's no Jim Robinson to shoulder the blame. I think people can do much much better than that.
Draft horses, all legs inside the harness, when they "jump the harness" they get one hind leg outside the harness and that is a bummer. Everything comes to a halt, with much swearing etc etc.
Negros your age could make such a case. The saggy pant young mutts who mug white girls in American cities can't make that claim.
I have at times - just not this time, but I do agree. That is basically what is occurring. I don't agree with the materialist view that we are purely creatures of chemical reactions and meat but that is another debate. Are you familiar with the work of Edward Bernays?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Do they. You didn't answer my question.
i can make any claim i want, especially in view of the need for a market for the CIA's drugs, which are a large part of the black underclass' problem.
yes. now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought? are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?
so we are allowed to not hate black people who conform to white cultural norms. so we can decline to hate some black people, and still not hate ourselves. boy! that's a relief. i was about to waterboard myself. The society is defined by its common culture which is neither white nor black. However, where that culture has norms established - such as the golden rule, standards of dress and conduct and one defines one's self by the recognition of those standards. What generates unity and cohesion in a culture is the recognition of those norms. One can still have one's own sub-culture within a larger culture but one ignores the common norms at one's own peril and detriment. Whatever trips your trigger.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
You're perfectly entitled to think what you wish. Blantant racism says much more about the racist than it does about the observer. Arrogant is something I don't really tend towards.
Stats are stats. Please look at them carefully and tell me/us what they say. Maybe that's your problem? Simple comprehension? Thanks. 4th request: What makes the kids report sensational?
ah. our heroic white culture has been so good at demonstrating their belief in the golden rule, especially in places like vietnam, afghanistan and iraq. ...not to mention, palestine.
Swell, have a good evening, Rain Man.
JT is the red queen, able to believe six impossible things before breakfast... including white american culture's demonstrated adherence to the golden rule (subject to override by the rule of "might makes right")
yes. now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought? are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"? I have argued as much repeatedly. I stopped watching television years ago now. My total TV viewing in a typical year is less than 20 hours (except in a good college Bowl Season). I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
There's your problem. Statistics do say something and the educated attempt to interpret their correct meaning. Hence my question. If you don't know the answer, it's okay. As far as why I labeled the story as sensationalistic garbage, I refer you to Michelle Malkin. I think she is someone with whom you may relate: michellemalkin.com/2008/1...in-volunteers-mutilation- story-smells-awfully-weird/
so maybe you could intercede with cynicom for me, huh? it would be ever so much nicer if he could desist from saying i hate myself because i dont hate blacks... ...dont you think?
So basically the kids story doesn't fit your racial template, so you blow it off. Same with raw crime statistics, they don't fit your racial profile, so you disregard them. Very, very open minded of you..... I'm glad you're on the other side of the fight, Mr. Angle. We have enough 'tards on ours as it is.
Yeah, that must be it.
ah. our heroic white culture has been so good at demonstrating their belief in the golden rule, especially in places like vietnam, afghanistan and iraq. ...not to mention, palestine. Now you resort to common logical fallacies. Yawn. You falsely associate the actions of an out of control criminal government with the culture. The two are not an identity - something which you likely know and hence your argument is knowingly false.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Who cares? We need to do one study on the effects of forced bussing on whites for instance. Bussing (to achieve artificial racial balances) has devastated public education in America and blacks are still underachieving losers, and here you are asking for more breast beating sorrow about the conditions under which poor downtrodden blacks labor? And, BTW, it's only American born blacks who "suffer" these crushing effects of "racism". Caribbean blacks have incomes roughly equal to whites while American blacks just can't seem to find that ladder of opportunity. It seems that too many blacks have embraced the status of social cripples and intended to milk it for all its worth. And you seem all too happy to assist in that white guilt campaign. "Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched. Well, fuck them. we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore. I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here. In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it. And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here. And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs? Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?
dont we have an "all-volunteer" army? where did those volunteers come from? what's up with that? would you like to speculate on how recruiters' performance will improve once the full effects of wall street looters make themselves apparent? would you like to explain the popularity of video games based on killing things wholesale?
JT is the red queen, able to believe six impossible things before breakfast... It was the "Queen of Hearts" and it was "EIGHT impossible things" before breakfast.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
i spose somebody could make the argument, now that our glorious white civilization is threatened by oil shortages and climate change, that the so- called primitive people were right all along. i spose the argument could be made that the most rapacious and aggressive of us were driven, by our neighbors, out of africa so long ago that we no longer have the need for dark skin. i spose the argument can be made that, thanks to the white man's cleverness, billions of people will have to die before the human population approaches sustainable levels. but i spose we can kill off the colored people of the world to make room for ourselves.
huh! i shortchanged JT.
Bingo! These spineless white wimps have enabled the culture of poverty by making excuses for crime, laziness and drug addiction. I bet Angle has never been forced out of his neighborhood because it 'changed' and whites became unsafe. He, and his band of useful idiots, should go on a road trip to West Philly, Bushwick Brooklyn and finish up in Mayor Ray Nagin Chocolate City. Maybe they can stretch their legs and get to meet the locals and report back to us on the needs and wants of the under class. I won't hold my breath. The gutless ones like the safety of their white enclaves, where they can preach ethics to we, the uninformed.
They were seeded into the culture. Most of the "kill, kill, kill" games were originally developed by the military because it is unnatural for most people to kill another human. The military set out to solve the problem of soldiers who would not "kill the enemy". My father was a Marine in WWII and saw some of the worst fighting and killing and I guarantee you the internal scars were much worse than the ones that earned him 3 Purple Hearts. The computer games were developed and released into the culture to make American youth more willing to kill as cannon fodder. Madison Avenue is only the visible influence - the same techniques and tactics are at play in conducting social control, perception management, and enslavement of all us "useless eaters".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
so you're agreeing that american culture is violent. good enough.
Well, fuck them. we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore. I'm not going to apologize for being white or having white children, and, if they mean to have a war then let it begin here. In the mean time why don't you do a little research and try to find a black/colored abolitionist movement anywhere in the world before whites started it. And then explain why slavery still exists in dark countries just as it did when slaves were brought here. And, why aren't you shaming some darkies for that obscene state of affairs? Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world? that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.
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that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done. i gots to admit, you're doing your best to stir up the race wars.
...short of going out and shooting a bunch of black people.
Yep. October Surprise. Can't say the Militarily Industrial Political complex hasn't done this before. With excellent resultants - for them.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites, i guess you're performing a public service, here.
How incredibly tiresome - you insist on trying to put words in other people's mouths. Human Culture is, and has been violent, through the centuries of human history and it is not limited to "American Culture" or "White Culture" or "Black Culture" etc., ... The common element is irrationality. War is not rational and is generally inspired by a small percentage of the population. You are engaging in false logic, and you bear all the hallmarks of a professional disinformationist/disruptor.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Thanks, C.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The computer games were developed and released into the culture to make American youth more willing to kill as cannon fodder. make up your mind.
what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?
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What's this "we" shit?? Again, go back to your FBI handlers and tell them you need remedial training in infiltration.
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i did. the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum lends itself to stirring up race hate that can be exploited, turned into vigilante action that will justify a declaration of martial law. all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or the govt will no longer be in control. at which point we'll see ethnic cleansing in america like we've seen in iraq. and you've made your contribution.
tom, i was being facetious. angle made the assertion that the majority of those contributing to this thread are of lesser intelligence and consciousness. i thought DAWG's post was discerning.
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Fixed.
Here's your problem, angle. You can't accept facts being facts, reality being reality when those facts and their reality challenge your world of left wing pseudo-intelligentsia who pretend they are breathing rarefied air because they alone are so special and so insightful. The answer to your question is NO, NOOOO, NOOOOOOO - got it? - class has nothing to do with the stats Jethro presented or otherwise low class whites would also have similar high crime rates. You do know that there are poor whites don't you??... well, perhaps not, there are not too many poor whites hanging out at coffee houses and poetry readings where super duper intellectual leftie whites hang out. You'd need to visit places like Oklahoma, Kentucky, South Dakota, Missippi, Idaho and the front lines of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to bump into poor whites. And furthermore, fyi, Dr. Walter Williams PhD, who certainly meets your criterion of being smart ( and he's black to boot), happens to agree with Jethro's stats being reflective of race not class. www.frontpagemag.com/Arti...7E-490B-9584-5B239032C95C "What About Hate Crimes By Blacks?" www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5012 "High Murder Rates in Cities with Large Black Populations" www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5086 "Hiding Black Interracial Crimes"
looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america. it's gonna be pretty tough to keep control of the cities, seeing as how your enemies will have grown up in those mean streets... ...although the urban warfare in iraq is giving some pretty good training, i spose. on the other hand, there are a lot of black guys in iraq getting that same training.
What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make. Just because posters disagree with your pro-Obama, pro-leftie views, you resort to mud-slinging? Grow up.
is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies? any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars. that's just how it is. if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on. sorry
You remember this movie? You know, the one where one intelligent Western white man fucked up the Planet of the Apes?? Hahahahahahaha!!!!!
see the post above? i rest my case.
If somebody didn't throw you some red meat your FBI handlers might fire you for wasting their money. I'm giving you job security....
naw. you're just doing your best to get yourself into a position you've fantasized about. too bad reality is gonna be much uglier than your fantasies.
any observer would come away with the impression that you are trying to encourage race wars. that's just how it is. if you dont want race wars, anybody'd think you'd have sense enough to work against overt racism, instead of egging each other on. sorry What are you on? You are seeing a reality I don't recognize. For one thing, in case you were not aware of this fact, 4um is a free speech site, not a politically correct high school debate league. For another thing, this is a long thread and I've not read every single post but one post by Jethro Tull that quoted statistics about black crime - statistics which were verified by a black professor, Dr. Walter Williams - seemed to attract the ire of you and angle. Statistics are not hate speech. If statistics or free speech trouble your sensibilities, then move on. Don't use a broad brush to paint posters with baseless insults.
i didnt challenge the statistics. they could very well be true. the problem with free speech is, if you cant defend your position, and someone comes along and blows you out of the water, you're sunk. for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself? so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense. please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position.
the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.
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Watch it Dak, baby........I think this wadi gal must be pregnant--notice the 'we'............yep.........and I'll bet a dollar to a donut that she's gonna try to claim you're the daddy!
You folks still arguing about negros and hebrews here? lmao!
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. I'm an equal opportunity hater. I can hate you if you're white, black, brown, red, yellow, if you wear a beanie, or a cross, or a towel around your head.. makes no difference to me...
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. you encourage racism on the forum. there (above) is an example of free speech that you've declined to refute. you have refused to comment on cynicom's argument that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself. i have pointed out to you the dangers of overt racism... if you continue to support overt racism, about the only thing an observer can conclude is that you support racism and its inevitable consequences.
good for you
so far, nobody's been able to do that, but they've leaped to cynicom's defense. please feel free to address the problems of logic displayed in cynicom's position. Did you bother to read message #347 which Original_Intent posted to you wherein he answered your question quite succinctly? I have nothing more to add to OI's post. Quit recycling a question that has been answered 50 posts earlier - it shows bad net manners and especially so when you frame your rehashed question in a hysterical shrieking tone. Here's a cut and paste of OI's #347 answer to you, to make it easy for you - take a deep breath and read it, please: wadosy: are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"? Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
sorry. cynicom has repeatedly said that i must hate myself if i dont hate blacks.
This is the longest and dumbest thread on the whole internet.
Ahmadinejad in 2008! Oh, I'm sure he noticed it. However, in true disinformationist form he/she/it ignored it because to do so did away with the wedge/disruption question it is using to browbeat the thread with and attempt to create a false sense of racism well in excess of what actually exists.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
you know what? i've had enough of you. bye.
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cynicom has repeatedly said that i must hate myself if i dont hate blacks. Sorry back at you. You choose not to acknowledge answers to your questions. Instead you prefer to attack, malign, mis-state, misconstrue because that's your way. You are either a provocateur or you are an hysteric. Either way I'm done with you and so are most other posters. Frankly you are rather trite and boring. Good luck trying to provoke, to incite when no one responds to your posts. One word will best describe your debating future on this political discussion board - "silence." Bye, bye.
"Silence is golden, golden, la ta da da da ..." ;-)
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Who said anything about shooting Jews or exterminating Jews ?
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I take issue with the anti black rhetoric on this thread liking blacks to monkeys and referring to blacks as niggers and now I'm against whites? In your small mind perhaps. It's a sad thing to see you rationalize hatred toward people who are a different color. I guess "christian" doesn't really mean loving others and the constitution doesn't really mean equality. It's a sad day when the people who pride themselves on seeing the state of affairs for what they are turn out to be the people who are all for race wars. Sickening.
Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.
Ouch! The Department of Justice victimization survey for 2005 has been posted on the DOJ website. To create these reports the DOJ surveys a massive segment of the US population to document crime trends. For years the reports have shown disturbing trends in Black crime, particularly Black on White Crime. The 2005 Report Shows… While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States. Nearly 100% of all Black rape victims are raped by a Black. Over one third of all White rape victims are raped by a Black. Over half of all White rape victims are raped by a non-White in general. Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full two thirds of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.
LOL! That struck my funny bone--hard! Thanks for the laugh.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. OK. I see that statistics show blacks to seem to have a higher (MUCH HIGHER) disproportionate percentage to crime and violent crime than other ethnic groups. Should ALL blacks be painted with the same brush?
makes a good argument for DEFENSIVE racism, does it not?
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OK I'll read it.
Please remove the word all from further discussion since nobody I've read (except Os) use it. Now, since you've acknowledge the obvious, would you agree that a white who finds themselves in a ghetto is in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
Nope. You are wrong. Cynicom has never made such an allegation about me and I am not "against blacks." I am against SOME blacks, the ones that Chris Rock calls niggas. But not all blacks are niggas. Some black people are good folks--there are both good and bad people in ALL groups. That is the position I have held for most of my life (in fact, the first friend I ever remember having when I was about three years old was a little black boy--and I only thought of him as a friend, not a "black friend").
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. vacuum the house once a week.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes. Do you agree that a black is also in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
Yes, in some cases, but to a far, far lesser degree. Do you agree that if the kid in Pittsburgh were a black Obama supporter, we'd have another Tawana Brawley matter on our hands? And do you also agree that the MSM failure to mention the matter, despite Obama's campaign expressing sympathy, is censorship by omission?
FYI
I think many see it as a hoax. Yet is there plenty of MSM censorship and propaganda...you bet and none of it to benefit us.
Don't you think that what is being posted on this thread is offensive racism? I'll leave that to you for further contemplation. Certainly, the bigger threat is the goverment and the traitors in it.
Of course. Formality involves getting the thieves involved. No need to encumber a voluntary transaction with such trivialities.
The number of white on black attacks is negligible compared to both black on black attacks and black on white attacks.
My point was a black is safer in a whiter area.
Now the discussion is becoming interesting on a more intellectual and realistic level. Race in America is still a highly charged subject which gets avoided and treated with cliches on both sides of the issue. It is not quite as black and white as the extremes on either end want to paint it. One of the more intriguing, and illuminating, aspects of the debate is to disregard color for a moment and look at what other factors might come in to play. I recall one study and at least one other analysis I've looked at that brought out what I think is the most important factor (and it is not skin color): When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less. Additionally performance on IQ tests, up to a point, correlate as well with education level. Which stands to reason - people who cannot read well, if at all, and cannot correctly understand the question cannot accurately answer it. (I like citing my father for this one - he was a poor country boy who quit school at the end of the 9th Grade to go to work during the last Depression. When he joined the Marine Corps at 17, during WWII, the test he was given said he had an IQ of 36. This in a man who later went on to become a Master at his Trade and a Flight Instructor on Sea Planes. The test it was later determined relied upon a vocabulary common to Urban Dwellers and thus was biased toward them and away from kids who grew up in any other environment.) Returning to my point - the general education level among poor blacks, based on more than one study, is generally lower than that among the general population of whites, BUT not poor whites. The crime levels among poor blacks and poor whites is actually much closer than the raw numbers suggest. Yes, blacks still have a higher crime rate in general, BUT they also have a much lower education level in general. The crime level among well educated blacks is pretty much the same as among well educated whites - pretty low. Education, literacy, level has a much better predictive value as to the propensity to violent crime. Further, inner-city skools are notorious for the poor quality and environment and have been since the 60's. The curriculum has been dumbed down and degraded, by intent, in all skools but nowhere as much as in the inner city ghettoes. It doesn't help that a poisonous culture has arisen that regards speaking correct English, and doing well in school, as "acting white" and having been given a negative connotation. However, again, looking at the other end of the spectrum Asian culture almost worships education and what do we have? A much lower crime rate. There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
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A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor.
some, yes, but my perception is that most is defensive racism and the expressed outrage of the double standard. further, i don't see where Cyni or JT have ever written that they hate blacks or any other race as you keep accusing. Cyni has admitted that he is a racist because he PREFERS his own race and, JT, because of his experiences in Brooklyn, as a youth and as a NYC policeman has valid reasons for his preference. i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white.
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I don't know that I agree with that. Any solution imposed by government sounds like more of what got us in this mess to begin with.
excellent post, OI. i enjoyed the story about your father too. 36 IQ? ;)
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A fair question to ask would be is one of those the causation of the other or are they both symptoms of some other underlying factor. Your question is good and valid. Certainly my little essay is not an exhaustive review and I would agree that there are other factors at play, but education does appear, in the numbers I've seen, to be one of the largest. Culture is certainly another, but culture as well is affected by education level. My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
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You are incorrect. Go to "Setup" and then to "Content Filters" That way, one need not apply passive-aggressiveness by pretending to be Miss Manners.
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When entire generations of people have never lived any other way than through welfare and government largess the motivation to improve ones self and work hard will eventually be extinguished. The old axiom "whatever the government wants more of, they subsidize" applies to poverty just like anything else. There are entire generations of people in this country who have been taught by their parents how to live off of welfare. It seems unreasonable to expect someone who has been taught those values to have the same standards as someone who has worked for what they have.
That successive generations are involved supports the case that the policies have been dysgenic. While it may be unreasonable to blame someone who labors under a genetic disadvantage for their failure to live up to better standards, holding them to those standards is the only way to change the population genetics. Barring, that is, what population geneticists call a "bottleneck."
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see I agree, there is nothing inherently inferior about black skin. What I see as a major factor is the way in which government has been involved in shaping the culture of many black people. If allowed to develop naturally, their cultural would never have developed as it has. The undesirable attitudes and belief systems would have perished in the unforgiving fires of reality. For years, many people have been insulated from the consequences of their actions by government welfare.
Thank you. Yes, IQ of 36 per the Marine Corps test at the time. He also demonstrated astute survival skills - Marine Scout/Sniper (what is today called Special Forces) - 3 Purple Hears, Bronze Star (5 Awards), Legion of Merit, etc., .... That test did leave scars though as he never did really get over having been labeled an imbecile - which he most definitely was not. He was not the only one in that time period who was so, incorrectly, labeled and there were a lot of good kids adversely affected by faulty testing.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see I had to look up the definition of "dysgenic", but I agree. The welfare state has produced ingrained attitudes that are not conducive to orderly society. IMO, this serves as a perfect example of the perverse results of government intervention in society.
I don't know that I agree with that. Any solution imposed by government sounds like more of what got us in this mess to begin with. I am not a big fan of Goobermunt Skools either. When I say reclaim - it means WE have to take responsibility for it and take it back from the the FedGov and the deranged eugenicists/Psychiatrists running the dumbing down program. And it is an intentional program - see Charollote Iserbyt's Deliberate Dumbing Down of America.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
absolutely. that also applies to privileged and spoiled children. when given everything, they value nothing.
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Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons. And your proof of the "genetic theory" is? The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc., .... Genetic links have been asserted and assumed to be true but there is no scientific evidence to support the conclusion. First it is based on a false premise i.e., that "man" is purely a material biologic creature i.e., animated soulless meat. There is no evidence which supports that either. The materialists for all their attempts to prove it cannot.
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When you think about it, isn't all racism "defensive"? Fear and paranoia are defense reactions. Not necessarily appropriate in all circumstances, because they are conditioned deep into the human psyche. They are not reason and should be scrutinized at every occurrence. Not an easy task for those who do not engage in self-examination. This applies no matter what your color.
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Jesus Christ, black culture explains nothing, as it is blacks who practice it! Blacks be dumb, and impulsive, on average, and for mostly genetic reasons. And your proof of the "genetic theory" is? I know I sound like a broken record but think about this; The amount of welfare a person receives is based in some part on how many dependents they have, which creates a perverse motivation to procreate while simultaneously insulating the person from the costs of procreating. As a result, many people with no motivation or work ethic have had many more children than they would otherwise have had while also driving up the price of children for those responsible enough to understand and bear the cost. While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring. So after years of government welfare, I can understand why successive generation may become dumbed down.
Well stated and I agree unreservedly. One of the nastiest crimes ever committed against poor Americans, particularly Black and Hispanic, was WELFARE. A man, or woman, gains in self worth by "paying their own way" - when you deprive a person of that you deprive them of their own self worth. "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I agree up to the point you bring in "genetics". Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence. I don't fault you for that as it is something that has been implanted heavily into our culture. I would simply ask that you put that to the question as you would any other matter upon which you think deeply. I think the Welfare Culture is just that a learned culture. I know when my father died, unexpectedly, my mother was thrown into turmoil in trying to figure out how to support the family. Welfare, because it was part of her upbringing and culture, was immediately rejected as a solution. However, as you point out we now have several generations that have known no other means of survival. They do what they have been taught is a survival path. Thus you have 16 year olds having babies so they can get their own apartment and a check. They then have more babies to increase the income stream. Further, since getting married would cut the checks out, and the Section 8 Apartment, they eschew marriage as nonsurvival. It is all rational in a perverse way. The kindest thing one could do for poor and black America is to cut the checks and demand that they go to work. Programs could be set up to ease the transition - primarily literacy, but it is a continuing cruelty to perpetuate the current system. This was all devised back in the 30's by such as Carnegie, Rockefeller, Mellon, etc., .... They were all eugenicists, as was the heavily subsidized pig Margaret Sanger - who was the one who came up with the idea of hiring educated blacks to act as Judas Goats, and were in thrall to the notion that by having money they were a genetically superior species. Eugenics is driving a lot of these government programs as is the faulty assumption that race determines worth.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I think I will disagree with this assessment of 'simple' with the idea that reclaiming schools and having better reading skills is that simple answer which ended with 'literacy being a better indicator'. More than what you've written, I would suggest that the breakdown of the (most notably) black family and lack of moral values lead to less parental involvement in education, to imparting moral values (and I don't mean just sexual sorts of values--but things like you work for what you want, or you save for what you want). You don't find 16 year old unwed mommas reading to their little ones or attending PTA or learning about better avenues of parenting, to even insisting on the kids attending school. Without a male figure, they have no one to look up to-- except the local junkie or pimp--to be a moral compass in how to treat women, a job, or other aspects of life. You can have all the fancy schmancy schools with qualified teachers, but if the kid never shows up in class, or never opens a book, she or he is NOT going to do well. If you have parents that constantly take the side of a kid--when the kid is wrong--against "the system", that child is being taught he doesn't have to--that life revolves around him and his wants and needs and desires. Before the Great Society and its damnable welfare crap came along, I don't believe you will find the criminal rates near the out of whack rates they are nowadays. Perhaps JT or someone else has some stats on that......
duckhunter: I agree, there is nothing inherently inferior about black skin. What I see as a major factor is the way in which government has been involved in shaping the culture of many black people. If allowed to develop naturally, their cultural would never have developed as it has. The undesirable attitudes and belief systems would have perished in the unforgiving fires of reality. For years, many people have been insulated from the consequences of their actions by government welfare. I'd agree with both of you that there is nothing inferior about dark skin. And I would also agree that government welfare and affirmative action social engineering programs are destructive to society as a whole. However I would disagree with both of you when you blame government for the behavior and culture of black people. Look at black culture in African nations under self-rule, where presumably they have been allowed to develop "naturally." Africa as a continent would die off in short order either from tribal machete wars or from AIDS if outside intervention did not stop the "natural" melt down. I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make. Blacks' high crime rates are because individual blacks are choosing to become involved in crime, and that's because their culture is one where crime and violence is accepted. And OI why do blacks need special "skools" to help them out of their morass? Poor whites have bad schools and they get on with their lives just fine for the most part. Giving blacks special super duper education is just more gov't social engineering that's bound to fail at the taxpayers' expense. It is the responsibility of blacks to change the negative dynamics of their culture that have taken hold. No special skools, no special Affirmative Action quotas, no super duper outside police force in their midst can change what's destroying their culture. Blacks need to take charge of their community's destiny. As Dr. Walter Williams observes: townhall.com/columnists/W...22/liberal_views,_black_v ictims?page=2 "...During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen..."
Deny, deny, deny... that's all you know. You're simply willfully ignorant. In order to be a liberal, you have to believe that genetic differences cause racial differences in every organ of the human body EXCEPT ONE. In other words, you have to be a retard. I mean, it's not like environmentalists haven't tried to prove their own case -- and failed, horribly, with their own studies proving the opposite. But if you REALLY ARE as pig ignorant as you claim, rather than willfully ignorant or disingenuous, I would direct you to work of Arthur Jensen, Rushton, and Michael Levin's brilliant (and funny!) book Why Race Matters. I notice that you didn't challenge me on the "culture" argument, and we both know why that is. Just as all the market is is a set of options, all "culture" is is a set of behavioral phenotypes. So the statement "black's bad behavior is because of their 'culture'" is the same as "black's bad behavior is due to black behavior". Which is retarded and circular -- unless 'culture' is meant as an emergent property of blacks in numbers. But you won't go there either, because it might mean that Western culture requires a large white majority. Which of course it does.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see Absolutely. There's one big sticking point and one big confusion for the anti-white race-deniers. First, they tend to highly value intelligence, and so when you say a group is less (or more) intelligent, through the filter of their own values, it sounds to them like a statement of inferiority (or superiority) in some objective sense. Second, they tend confuse genetic with intractable and environmental with tractable. Genes and environment of course interact. The irony of this is that, because the races do differ in important heritable ways, any "environemental" solution that ignores the differences is doomed to failure.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see Dr. Williams agrees with your sentiment rowdee. He provides only anecdotal support though. some cut and past: Last year, among the nation's 10 largest cities, Philadelphia had the highest murder rate with 406 victims. This year could easily top last year's with 240 murders so far. Other cities such as Baltimore, Detroit and Washington, D.C., with large black populations, experience the nation's highest rates of murder and violent crime. This high murder rate is, and has been, predominantly a black problem. According to Bureau of Justice statistics, between 1976 and 2005, blacks, while 13 percent of the population, committed over 52 percent of the nation's homicides and were 46 percent of the homicide victims. Ninety-four percent of black homicide victims had a black person as their murderer. During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen. townhall.com/columnists/W...22/liberal_views,_black_v ictims?page=2
Right you are. Criminal law accepts that it is the person who pulls the trigger who is guilty, but The Rainbow Coalition, Operation Push and other assorted, government funded camps would have us believe it's society's fault, not the individual. Some thanks we taxpayers get from the social tinkerers, eh? For those who believe black crime is the fault of government, is the answer then to withhold welfare in all forms? If yes, would that proposition fly? If not, why not?
I would ask that you question your premises here. First, it helps that culture is an interest and I've read a lot on it and experienced more than one, if you look at tribal cultures anywhere, regardless of color, you will see the same tribal, irrational, reactions. It is the same in the Amazon Basin - just fewer numbers of people as it is a much more dangerous environment. If you come from a tribe only a few miles away and stray into the wrong area you are going to wake up dead. More than one archaeologic expedition has run afoul of this. The Mayas routinely slaughtered entire tribes - either in battle or at their altars. Secondly Africa is a bad example because not just are the cultures primitive but the intercession of European Imperialism disrupted and destroyed those cultures that existed stabily prior to their arrival. Not that I blame everything on "white european culture" as this can be seen to repeat throughout history wherever and whenever a superior culture runs into contact with a less developed one. Look at the slaughter of American and Canadian Indian Tribes - and the Canadians were much worse as their attempts to kill off the indians continued on into the 1960's. Aids, by all appearances was a laboratory created disease - a biologic weapon and it is much more contagious among those of African descent than among those of other genetic lines. That the primitive culture has been used to spread the disease is another matter. Again please examine your premises. I did not say special schools - just adequate ones. Ones that actually educate. The existing ones have been intentionally sabotaged and the virulently poisonous culture that has metastasized in inner city neighborhoods, and in some poor rural areas, denigrates education. This is irrational and self destructive. You betray simply that you have not looked far into the issue and examined the data and instead are operating on assumptions and "everybody knows" data. As Robert Heinlein put it "...if everybody knows then it is almost certain to be wrong by at least 10 to 1". Yes, people ARE responsible for their own condition, but they have to be educated to a level where they can solve their problems. You don't take a toddler out to the road and say "okay you're responsible now - get a job and take care of yourself". They must first be taught how to do that - which requires education and maturity. So, the question then is "why" is the destructive behavior accepted? You have to first determine the correct "why" to solve the problem. The correct "why" is NOT skin color simply by examination - that has been used as an excuse and solution and the problem has not resoved therefore we can conclude that it is not the correct "why" as the problem has not resolved.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I see Fox is now in big and bold print about the lady in Pittsburgh. Yesterday it was in fine print and buried. "Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
I have a very special southern friend, who writes columns quite often, and in one of the more recent ones he was lamenting for the good old days--days when kids didn't act up in school because they got a paddling there, and worse when they got home; and how you didn't act up down the street cause you knew Mrs. Jones would have called or went to see your parents before you ever trudged home and would catch hell; for the days when the local cop cared enough to tell you where your actions would lead, and even would take your butt down to the police station/office to add a bit more to the 'scare you out of a life of crime' routine; to the days when you didn't have to lock your doors or windows becauase you knew all the neighbors and everyone watched out for each other, etc. Regarding the teaching in school, we just had a couple move up here from Texas--wife was teacher in the DFW area or Houston (I can't remember which), but she worked with 'disadvantaged' students. She said the classroom was unbearable. While trying to give a lesson, the blacks would get up and walk around, toss balls, leave the class, etc., while there would be perhaps 2 - 3 that actually tried to listen adn learn. The others never did homework. When you try to talk to them, they'd tell her they didn't have to listen to her and her 'fancy' talkin; they'd laugh at her..........and it wasn't just her. All the teachers were saying the same thing. This young, educated, formerly liberal woman calls them niggers. She's really sick of it because there is nothing they, the teachers, can do about it. And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them.
Irt is a cultivated culture. I moved out of NYC many years ago when they started putting police in elementary schools, TO PROTECT THE TEACHERS.
The National Education Association's pathetic attempt to remedy the high-school dropout rate is itself an indication of why so schools are failures. The NEA says that because about one-third of all high-school students fail to graduate, let's make it mandatory that students remain in school until they're 21. Why settle on 21 as the magical cutoff point? And if 21 doesn't solve the problem, would the mandatory age be increased to 28 or 30? It's liberal insanity, especially given the 'education' the graduates leave with. Send the kids off to work if they don't like school. If they don't like work, then they're on their own - zero government help.
Well, I know for a fact that traits are passed from parent to offspring, it's why I look like my mother. I don't understand exactly what you are saying.
Lots of different opinion here, but the larger story is the complete media blackout. This, IMHO, is b/c she's white. As I've said from the get go, if she were black, and given the exact same set of circumstances, Pittsburgh would be in flames and the WG'ers would be rendered into quivering bowls of jello.
Most of your irrational bilge is unworthy of reply - I don't swim in the sewer either. As for this logically faulty line all I have to say is that culture is a learned set of attributes. We can observe this in that those of different races raised in different cultures conform to the culture they were raised in. One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Likely she came from an intact family with educated parents - and had you not been able see her but only hear her you would not known that she was black. It is also interesting to note, as someone commented earlier in the thread, that non-American blacks moving here from other countries and cultures, particularly the Caribbean Basin where blacks are the majority and receive a good education, have earnings roughly equivalent to the average White American. Interesting datum that. I've met a few of them and they have a completely different outlook on the world. As for the rest of your irrational ramblings please to put them where the sun doth not shine.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
In important, but indirect ways. In a situation where government is not involved, environment determines which genes are passed on by favoring the successful. When welfare distorts that process, undesirable traits are more likely to be passed on.
Breaking News A Pittsburgh police commander says a volunteer for the McCain campaign who reported being robbed and attacked near a bank ATM in Bloomfield has confessed to making up the story. Police say charges will be filed. More details to follow. http://kdka.com/
Government is famous for providing perverse motivations.
So sad for you. Police: McCain volunteer changes ATM attack story 1 hour ago PITTSBURGH (AP) — Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer who said she was held down by a black man who cut the letter "B" in her face has changed her story. Police spokeswoman Diane Richard says investigators gave the 20-year-old woman a lie-detector test and are "looking at some inconsistencies" in her story. The student, Ashley Todd, of College Station, Texas, initially said a black man robbed her at knifepoint Wednesday night and then cut her cheek after seeing a McCain sticker on her car. Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked. Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later. No arrests have been made.
They can learn much of it. That doesn't mean they can pass it on. One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Why did she have to correct it in the first place? One of my favorite object lessons in this was hearing black athletes in the United Kingdom speak. Commonalities with black American athlete speech stood out because of the difference in learned accent. Quite amazing, you have to hear it for yourself. It is also interesting to note, as someone commented earlier in the thread, that non-American blacks moving here from other countries and cultures, particularly the Caribbean Basin where blacks are the majority and receive a good education, have earnings roughly equivalent to the average White American. Interesting datum that. I've met a few of them and they have a completely different outlook on the world. This is true; my wife's boss is one of them. They also don't look much like Africans or even African Americans, to hear them tell it. But they are the cream of their crops, so to speak, and you are probably ignorant of the current state of those countries, because you want to be. They can't pass on Western culture either. We shall see how their grandchildren and great grandchildren do, as mean reversion rears its ugly head. I expect it will be similar to France's experience with the grandchildren and great grandchildren of industrious, law-abiding north africans.
He pecks a few holes in a tree to see Police say questions are being raised about attack claim October 24, 2008 13:30 EDT PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Police in Pittsburgh report "inconsistencies" in the story told by a McCain campaign volunteer. The woman had said a black man had robbed her, and had cut a "B" into her cheek after seeing a McCain bumper sticker on her car. Police say she's now been given a polygraph. They also say photos and bank card information from an ATM where Ashley Todd claimed she was robbed do not show her using the machine. Todd is a 20-year-old college student from Texas. She told investigators that she thinks the man noticed her McCain sticker after he robbed her. She says he then punched her and knocked her to the ground, and told her, "You are going to be a Barack supporter." She told police he scratched a backward letter "B" into her face using what she believed was a dull knife. She said she didn't seek medical attention, but instead went to a friend's apartment and called police about 45 minutes later. The report of the attack prompted McCain and Sarah Palin to call Todd and express their concern. The Obama campaign issued a statement wishing her well, and hoping that the attacker would be swiftly brought to justice.
Well, I know for a fact that traits are passed from parent to offspring, it's why I look like my mother. I don't understand exactly what you are saying. And I look like my father - although a lot lighter skin toned from my mother's Germanic blood line. People make the mistake that because physical characteristics are transmitted genetically that such holds true for ALL characteristics. In logic this is known as the fallacy of division i.e., that which holds true for one set holds true for all - when there is no evidence to support it. "(From "The Fallacy Files")Form: The object O has the property P. The universe has existed for fifteen billion years. Therefore one can see the fallacies that arise. Another example of my own devising: John is Redhead Yet another: William is Black. You could manufacture any number of examples to illustrate this fallacy but I think that suffices. The rest of my reasoning delves into the realm of what is the ultimate nature of man? OR How you answer that question has profound affect on how you see other people.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
This person probably didn't grow up in an environment where decisions had no repercussions. Where she was from if a family had too many children they probably went hungry. Which would serve as a huge motivation to not have more kids than you could afford, which kept the lazy and unmotivated from reproducing in favor of the more productive. Your view on genetics just doesn't square with the intelligence I've seen you approach other subjects. Do you not believe that characteristics can be passed from one generation to the next? Dumb people don't give birth to MENSA members as a general rule.
OR Is "man" a duality of Spirit residing in a body? Both. Man is a slave to his DNA as well as to his spirit.
Unlike you and your leftist clique, I have no problem altering my position w/given additional info. Her story very well might be a heaping pile, but then again, since w/do you believe police reports? (Answer: When they comport to your leftist political leanings) And more importantly, do you believe police reports can be altered to achieve a political end? I'd appreciate a simple yes or no to that question.
UPDATE: A Pittsburgh police commander says a volunteer for the McCain campaign who reported being robbed and attacked near a bank ATM in Bloomfield has confessed to making up the story. Police say charges will be filed. More details to follow.
Latest: The attack was a hoax. Maybe I was right about her doing it in a mirror.
I stand corrected in my initial assumption.
I guess.
Sad and so revealing the rhetoric about it all.
You don't think there was pressure on the cops to get her to change her story? I'm sure they gave her a 3d degree usually reserved for murder suspects and then some. After all which is worse, killing, or exposing the messiah's supporters as the thugs they are?
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
translation?
We're engaging in the old nurture vs nature argument in a roundabout way. Is a person a tabula rasa? I personally believe that innate differences can and do exist between individual people and not everyone has the same potential. However, I do not believe that race is a major defining factor in determining those differences. I also don't find it hard to believe that the influence of genetics can be made to have a larger role in defining people through government intervention. One of my favorite examples is HWY 20 here in North Alabama. If you travel down HWY 20 across the norther portion of our state you are traveling right through the middle of General Joe Wheeler's Civil War era cotton plantations. For over a hundred years Joe's family owned slaves that worked those fields. They bred their slaves like cattle, matching the biggest and strongest for generation upon generation. the legacy of that exists today. There are more athletes that come from schools in that small area than most anywhere else in the state. Most big schools know that you don't want to play even the small teams from that part of the state because you are likely to be sent home with a loss. In addition, that very small area produced an athlete that almost everyone in the world is familiar with, Jesse Owens.
As I spoke of earlier my father, according to the IQ test the Marine Corps gave him scored 36. Not to brag but when I was tested in the 6th Grade they wanted me to bypass High School and go directly to College. The son of an imbecile scores in the upper 1/10th of the upper 1%. I say this not to toot my own horn - I generally don't talk much about it (except I have used it to annoy a couple of snobs). My point is - as outlined above that it is not simply a matter of genetics (although my old man was a lot brighter than the biased test suggested). My mother believed strongly in education and I was taught to read before I started school and therefore was fast out of the blocks. That as well was a boost that I never lost.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I merely posted the update with no commetary, so who are you to tell me how I took it?
I'd be willing to bet that your father was quite a bit smarter than some government test gave him credit for. Back then I don't think they even knew what a learning disability was, much less understood things like dyslexia. Either way, you only got half of your DNA from him, your mother may have made up the difference.
It is very easy to believe that something like this would be true story. Why? Because attacks like this happen everyday against whites in America by blacks, that's why. This one just made the news, most don't. Now you can take your race card and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
God is always good!
I'm the guy who knows the leftist holes (or should I say trees?) you dwell in.
I'm not arguing that genetics are the ONLY factor, just a contributing one.
The "nurture" side of the argument.
Last night you went on the attack against anyone proposing proceeding with caution regarding this story. Your comments were beyond ugly and although you have a perfect right to your opinions, there was no room for anything other than your hatred of blacks, all blacks. Frankly, it's disturbing to see you rabid like that when you have a degree of intelligence that should guide you to be a better man. We have problems in this world. I just don't see your rhetoric as any kind of solution. With the kind of intelligence you've been gifted with, I think you have a greater responsibility to move beyond your prejudices and contribute to solution rather than perpetrate hatred. That ain't getting anybody anywhere.
Just wait til the disruptions leading to civil war begin ... the trees will be full of squirrels.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
b. I did not say special schools - just adequate ones. Ones that actually educate. c. Yes, people ARE responsible for their own condition, but they have to be educated to a level where they can solve their problems. a. My use of Africa as an example was a response to theories about how white government is responsible for all the ills of black culture in America, a government that prohibits black culture from developing naturally. Say what you will about the evils of colonialism in Africa,( and I would agree with you) at least Africans were kept safe from engaging in perpetual tribal wars and their children received a basic reading 'riting 'rithmetic European education. Under self-rule most African nation-states have reverted to tribal conflicts and they live in unsafe cities where crime and promiscuity rule. As for your theory that European Imperilaism destroying African culture, I say in reply - balderdash! European Imperialism took place in India and in the ME - Iran, Iraq - and those cultures are light years ahead of African culture by comparison. Furthermore, under European Imperialism - for all its ills - Africa was a net food exporter. After self-rule was granted, Africa quickly became a net food importer and impoverished. As for your theory that AIDS is a lab engineered disease - OI, you are sounding alot like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and that association does not become you, a man of uncommon intellect: "The AIDS Conspiracy Handbook: Jeremiah Wright's paranoia, in context" b. With regards to providing adequate schools, how come poor whites have inadequate schools but they don't resort to violent crime to the degree of blacks? It's cultural attitudes to education that needs to be changed and the change must come from within the black community. See rowdee's post about current attitudes of young blacks to education. See rowdee's message #446 - some cut and paste fyi: "...Regarding the teaching in school, we just had a couple move up here from Texas--wife was teacher in the DFW area or Houston (I can't remember which), but she worked with 'disadvantaged' students. She said the classroom was unbearable. While trying to give a lesson, the blacks would get up and walk around, toss balls, leave the class, etc., while there would be perhaps 2 - 3 that actually tried to listen adn learn. The others never did homework. When you try to talk to them, they'd tell her they didn't have to listen to her and her 'fancy' talkin; they'd laugh at her..........and it wasn't just her. All the teachers were saying the same thing. This young, educated, formerly liberal woman calls them niggers. She's really sick of it because there is nothing they, the teachers, can do about it. And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them..." c. See my quotes from Dr. Walter Williams about the 40's and 50's when blacks had far fewer educational opportunities, crime was low. Violence was culturally unacceptable then, proving there is no co-relation between literacy rates and crime rates in black communities. I'd say there is a co-relation between the breakdown of nuclear family values in black culture and high rates of crime. Once again change in destiny must come from within the black community to set itself on a better path per the book "What Elephants Can Teach People".
I'm all in favor of having tech schools that you people can attend. I absolutely do not believe that everyone is 'college material'. Rather than just turn youth loose without any skills, I think getting them trained in some sort of skilled profession would be the way to go. At least they can feed themselves without resorting to theft, etc. And that applies to any color. As I understand it in Russia, young people are given tests to determine 'skillability', areas of interest, etc., and then they headed off into some field of study--whether plumber or doctor. This is from a young man who worked for my brother who is from Russia. He didn't want to be a doctor, and he didn't want to serve in their military either, so he fled. I also believe the feds should stay the hell away out of education (among a good many other areas of our lives). If local societies want to have public schools, so be it. But there has to be parents involved all the way along as far as I'm concerned. I don't have a college degree, but I have a love of reading that I passed on to both my daughters. I have pictures of reading to them when they were just a few months old. They were trying to read the newspaper by the time they were two--because they saw all of us doing it. And always on their wish lists were books, books, books. I realize there are others that may not want any part of society having anything to do with education, and that is a fair discussion.
Ya got a great idea Rowdee. The future may determine serious changes for us that we have no idea about today. I think communal farms could become a big deal.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
When you were in school, did your high school have woodshop classes, or auto mechanic classes? Mine did--for the guys. This is why I like the idea of tech school/classes. Even my deceased husband as a teenager went to college where he took apprentice classes in construction--this may have been as a part of 'adult education' or something akin to that. We also had college prep classes for the guys who wanted something else out of life--or their parents did, because parents had to agree with your 'special' classes. There were classes where girls could take several years of cooking, sewing, and general homemaking. As well as the college prep. As well as secretarial and bookkeeping and general office skills. My oldest brother found out he had no gift for auto repair, nor was he a woodworker! So, he went into the military--paratroopers, rangers, and found out he had a knack for our Dad's line of work--stonemasonry. He built a company 'monument' at Ft Campbell, wherein they put a pair of spitshined boots, and the insignias, and some other information about the company. He found his profession in a different way.
You really are a dickweed jerko. I asked you yesterday if you thought it was a hoax. I see you are frigging nuts. Why don't you go back to freakerrepublik where you are right at home amongst the rest of the sickos?
So much for the
elitist notion that a degree = education.
" i spose somebody could make the argument, now that our glorious white civilization is threatened by oil shortages and climate change, that the so- called primitive people were right all along" Perhaps, if we assume that "primitive people" made a conscious decision to remain backasswards and they had a choice to do otherwise. Did they? I mean, what would be the logic behind breeding in such numbers that they can't even feed themselves? If they were resourceful enough to choose a destiny then they would have certainly known that accepting the white man's medicine would result in overpopulation unless they also adopted modern agricultural practices to increase food production. "but i spose we can kill off the colored people of the world to make room for ourselves." The indiscriminate use of depleted uranium and the thousands of other chemicals that now poison our groundwater and the oceans will likely doom us all. In the mean time there are shadowy forces at work who would like nothing better than to commit African genocide and pounce on those valuable resources. But, non white non Europeans are amply represented in the ambitious cabals who covet Africa's wealth.
I took Dinosaur shoeing 101-104 ... just kidding ! The High School I attended was probably the largest vocational school in the country at the time. (Arsenal Techical High School.) We had every vocational class imaginable, Electric Trades was the one I chose. After High School I went into pharmaceutical sales for awhile (illicit) and decided to go into the military after a couple of not so pleasant run ins with the local cops. I had been on an Academic program but decided I might be able to use the electric shop training later on. Just never did. My son is a journeyman electrician and they didn't offer it at his High School. I guess you never know ! But, there's no question kids came out of high school a lot more prepared back in the day. A return to some of those values may be a result of the economic disaster we're going to encounter.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
It is like having "Turtle's" mirror image. BWAHAHAHA!!!!!
Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.
It's a sad thing to see you rationalize hatred toward people who are a different color. I guess "christian" doesn't really mean loving others and the constitution doesn't really mean equality. It's a sad day when the people who pride themselves on seeing the state of affairs for what they are turn out to be the people who are all for race wars. Sickening. Well, if you fail to see that white people's blood runs in the streets every day from the black crime wave and people like you encourage more of the senseless violence by the "perpetual victim class" among us, then yes, you're against whites. It doesn't matter how whites feel about blacks. They despise and victimize whites at nearly every opportunity regardless of how liberal the victims may have been. And, as the FBI Uniform Crime Report clearly shows, blacks victimize other blacks in such staggering numbers that they are clearly their own worst enemy. It's a pity you don't have any harsh words for them. And, just what kind of man would I be if I allowed some stranger with an unnatural affectation for blacks to influence my judgment? I mean no offense but, a white prison bitch who adores his cellmate and counts the hours until the next violent ass raping could say the same things you say. And, what would he care about my family and the very real threat that young urban blacks present to me and mine? The fact that white people's sensibilities are a low priority for you makes you suspect. And, until we know where you're coming from and why that will continue to be the case. You hurl insults and utter simulated shrieks of outrage and you haven't offered any plausible background or logic for your beliefs. For instance, Ferret Mike has an biracial child whom he dearly loves and certain ignorant comments really hurt him, so, I know where he's coming from. I would feel the same and it's no effort to understand that and him. But, you are hiding something and I think I know why you won't reveal the reasons for your strong feelings on this subject. Until you're prepared to be honest and then defend your true motivations you have no business viciously attacking folks who don't share your sensitivities. You cannot honestly claim that disagreeing with you constitutes a wrong against you, but your harsh rhetoric indicates that you believe just that! Could you please explain how you can feel obviously superior to some whites whose views differ from your own, and why you feel inferior to blacks? Try being totally honest with us and you may be amazed at the understanding we have for your views, or at the very least the sympathy we have for your condition or syndrome.
i would very much like to hear the answers to dawg's questions too as well as a reply to my #420.
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i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white. Your post # 420. Again more examples that people's views don't form in a vacuum. Cynicom has stated his views succinctly with no ambiguity, and JT is like hundreds of thousands of police officers who didn't start out suspicious and resentful of blacks. But, cops quickly learn that if they say "Sir" to blacks then they're considered chumps, and that street blacks won't do a damn thing the police "ask" them to do-they have to be forced into compliance with every command from a white police officer. We can thank American blacks for command presence and machismo instead of polite behavior from the police. And, this honesty from Cyni and JT further underscores the likelihood that angle hasn't told us what motivates his seemingly blind, inexplicable hatred of whites who don't worship at his Elevate-The-African shrine. Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment? Of course if angle is biracial I can understand a reluctance to say so. We have some folks who would pounce on him and never let up, and G_d forbid that he's the target of ignorant comments from folks with strong views equal to his own on this divisive issue. *police officer* "Put down the cell phone and exit the vehicle or I will TASE you!" *ignorant black* "Nu uh, you don't be telling mee dat I can't be calling my sista!" *screams, howling,* "HEEEEELLP, da police done TASED my stoopid black ass!AHHHHHHHH!" But, on a lighter note, let's think of something beautiful and well worth fighting to protect!
Because he's a troll?? Sorry, you left that one wide open ;-)
Because he's a troll?? Sorry, you left that one wide open ;-) It's only on this issue that he goes so far into left field that I don't recognize him. I believe he has his reasons and that he doesn't dare share them with everyone. Let's face it, there are folks here who'll call an amputee "Stumpie" at the first sign of a disagreement. I mean, I wouldn't share my big secret with everyone here. (if I had one!)
OMFG! OMFG! OMFFFG! OMFFFFFFFG! You banned someone? OMFG!!!!! :)
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. yes, i did. ;)
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Who's next? He didn't see it coming!
He's right you know. Racism is debunked and as worthless as any other criminal behavior. So, this is a free speech forum? Just not his speech, right? You are way wrong in allowing haters and baiters in, and banning this chap. What was the matter? was he getting uncomfortably close to the truth? And did you think I would be too gun shy to give you my two cents worth on this? And in telling you you are being hypocritical here?
I think turtle should be banned.
I agree. I'm sorry, angle, I shouldn't have called you a troll, it was just too easy a jab to pass up ;-)
Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?
Nah, banning for tempermental reasons is what Sally does, at least that the only person outside of the Free Republic I am most familiar with as someone that does this. Turtle should not be banned.
I am 100 percent convinced it is.
You're also convinced rocks, trees and weeds are worthy of idolization, which would make you a basic loon.
I agree. I'm sorry, angle, I shouldn't have called you a troll, it was just too easy a jab to pass up ;-) I knew you were just joshing, BTW. Sawwy about getting serious on you but I really am trying to avoid unnecessary roughness with angle. We get along pretty well I regarded him as a friendly, and I'm a teenie bit disappointed at the moment.
Mike... Free speech does not allow you or anyone else to abuse others, even with free speech of language. I refer to the vulgar language of this departed person as well as your self. If you re read the thread, all I asked from the departed was to omit his vulgar use of his language here. Without a little personal discipline, this forum would degenerate into the gutter like many others that you and I have populated. Vulgar language coupled with attack tactics trying to inflame a 4um has no place here nor any forum that considers itself responsible and respectful.
i'll say the same to you as i said to wadosy. the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.
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Ferret Mike: I am 100 percent convinced it is. So, Mike, are you saying you are in favor of criminalizing "thought" crimes?
Racism, is the bigotry of lower standards. You can't expect them to understand, and if you try to explain it, you are racist. If a rapper tries to get the message through, he's an Uncle Tom. We just need more education to reinforce victimhood status, and their limits imposed by their advocates. They can not be taught, because they refuse to be taught. And those that make excuses for their victimhood are advocates for their continued ignorance. Their enemies are their friends. What a scam
Well said, Olivia. Welcome to the struggle.
Thank you Jethro. There is a time to fish, and a time to cut bait. Seems the time is coming to cut bait.
For starters, "this chap" lied - he mis-stated what other posters said. Secondly, he kept haranguing various posters with the same question even though he had received his answer 50 posts before hand. Thirdly he was a stereotypical disrupter, provocateur- he could care less about honest debate - he was baiter, something you profess to dislike. I came in late on the thread but in the course of 50 posts those were the points I noted. Perhaps other posters could add to the list who were on the thread for a longer time.
Yes, it's time to fish and there's no room for the seaSICK.
"Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?" I am 100 percent convinced it is. It's a mighty big country. If you were King-For-A-Day and could criminalize "racism", who would you go after first and why?? By "who" I mean would you go by race, politics (leftists/fascists/libertarians/conservatives/anarchists) or ???? Would you make telling offensive jokes a Class C misdemeanor or ???? How would you square this with the First Amendment??
I am 100 percent convinced it is. Taking poetic license with definitions I see. Is it time for another zinging ricochet into another pointless discussion that will inevitably end with an insult and dismissal once you're cornered by your own flawed premise?
I refer to the vulgar language of this departed person as well as your self. If you re read the thread, all I asked from the departed was to omit his vulgar use of his language here. Without a little personal discipline, this forum would degenerate into the gutter like many others that you and I have populated. Vulgar language coupled with attack tactics trying to inflame a 4um has no place here nor any forum that considers itself responsible and respectful. worth repeating bump.
Last week Mike began his Obama victory lap. I knew he'd build up to to this; calling racism a crime. Shades of things to come from the Os.
Exactly. Time for the unproductive to walk the plank! Whining and bitching takes away from rowing the boat. Row or have a talk with Davey Jones locker. Argh. The world is being held hostage by self centered nuts and their evil bastard minders. I see they are here poking sticks at free minded to keep them properly herded or mute.
Not at all. Racists have the right to free speech, and they are accountable for their words. What I consider criminal is the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism. I do not accept racism as normative human behavior. People who believe in racism suffer from a deep cancer of the soul. I did not see any foul language, and I did not see any ad hominem behavior, so I assume I missed seeing the posts Christine reacted to. None the less, he is new, and not a proved fuckwit like BeaChooser, so I don't support a banning. Christine can sure do as she wishes as this is her forum, but that is my opinion. And it sure is not going to change anymore then anything on racism I've read here has done so at all. I am giving my opinion and I am not going to belabor the issue. But I will say I don't agree with this.
Actually, there are rumblings from the election watchers and the old boy network may be setting up to steal this one too. If I was Barack I wouldn't order dinner and drinks for three thousand of my closest friends just yet....
hi Olivia, welcome!
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If the election goes well, it is at best a start. I will be at Lane County Election Central at the fair grounds like I always am, and then I will go home and get to bed and then go to work the next day. I take this one day at a time, and the day after the election is when I know who it is to target to promote my particular political efficacies. I don't like Obama's pro death penalty stand, and I don't agree with off shore oil drilling and he is going to need to be pressured to do the right thing with environmental issues. I support Barack Obama because he is going to be easier to badger around to promote the things people like me promote. I have no rose colored sunglasses on. He will be POTUS, but like anyone else, whether I like him as a man or not, he has to earn his keep and show he can do the job. Just like anyone else in the position would have to.
There are also rumblings about his manchurian status as a boy broken by sexual abuse, that his father is Frank Marshall, that his reasons for being in Hawaii isn't just to tend to his dear grandmother, that he was forced to appear regarding his birth certificate, that all of this is coming out in the week ahead, and that none of that will change the selection. Rumors rumors and facts. One of which the brainwashed refuse to dare question or explore. Driven by extreme self gratification rather than concern for the greater national concerns.
Just like anyone else in the position would have to. Sounds like the Mike of yore.
You are correct, and I wonder if they won't try to claim the Bradley Effect is what made the thing go south if it does. At DU there have been threads about machine malfunctions in several places. Though here in Lane County the city and county government are going to spring for the extra postage if people don't put the right amount on the ballots that weigh more then normal and are in a larger envelope then usual.
Hi Christine, thank you! Nice to be here.
Newt... Welcome...I am in charge of nothing here, so if you ever have nothing to say, ping me and I will come up with something.
Ferret Mike: Not at all. Racists have the right to free speech, and they are accountable for their words. What I consider criminal is the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism. I do not accept racism as normative human behavior. People who believe in racism suffer from a deep cancer of the soul. A rather dodgey answer, if I may say so. You say on the one hand that racists [ or people whose opinions that don't jive with yours] have "a right" to free speech but on the other hand they are "accountable" for their words???? What do you mean by this mumbo jumbo about "the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism." ???? Use plain English, please. I would agree with you if you said that racist attitudes were unseemly or that those attitudes were troubling if expressed by community leaders. But when you use that judgmental tone of your viewing racist as a "deep cancer of the soul", you've lost me. If a bunch of old guys who have had too much to drink at a private poker party crack some jokes about wops or bohunks or hebes, you think those remarks reflect "a deep cancer of the soul" and that these old drunk geezers should be held "accountable" for their racist comments? Sheesh - you've drunk too much Kossack kool aid, me thinks. Let me remind you, Mike, that you started a very long thread cussing another political board moderator for her phoney attitude towards free speech... free for some but not for all or not all the time or only when I judge it to be free...
Now you sound like Prof. Irwin Corey, who was a grade A double talker. Have I told you I don't trust you?
Well there's the definition of a World Leader if I ever saw one. I know, let's have someone that can be bent over a fencepost by any random racist poster with a bag of chips and an attitude. That'll definitely be the sort that Putin, Chavez, Mickey Mouse, and E Coli Castro, will respect. One thing that we must keep in mind. While we may have a gigantic military, it takes money to finance it. As a nation we are trillions in debt, to the degree probably much MUCH more than we even know. Private Armies are now being funded to take up where the US military can perhaps not go. Who is it that commands those forces, and where are their loyalties when the well goes dry? Will there be any confidence in a complete mercenary government and military? And with what you know and pretend you don't, who will your President serve? How funny it is that accountability is not important, as long as the tanned one takes office. How long do you thing the charade lasts, before it is clear, the MIC is financed without loyalty to any country, people, border or law. Pirates of the Planet, without a conscience. Think about what you want for a future.
:laughing: Okay then, perhaps you might look at 528.
Actually, I am being very clear here. If someone wishes to expound on why they irrationally feel hating others, or feeling inappropriately that they are superior to them, they have a right to thrash about trying to prove that which is impossible to prove as it is flat an insane belief system. However, if they verbally harass someone and use their racism to steal someone's sense of well being and worth, and to denigrate their social standing, that person should be charged with a serious crime. I have always felt this, and I have always strongly and passionately felt this way. And I also don't give a damn if you trust me or not. I know where I stand on this issue. And I know I am right.
JT: "Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?" FM: I am 100 percent convinced it is.
How funny it is that accountability is not important, as long as the tanned one takes office." Accountability is very important. However, I do not agree with what is generally known to many as the Jewish banker conspiracy. I am not fond of Zionism, and I want us to cut off Israel and show them who is boss, but I am not anti-Semitic. Jews do not conspire to own everything and to control our lives. You have a right to your view, but I do not share it.
Lots of different opinion here, but the larger story is the complete media blackout. This, IMHO, is b/c she's white. As I've said from the get go, if she were black, and given the exact same set of circumstances, Pittsburgh would be in flames and the WG'ers would be rendered into quivering bowls of jello. Another dog bites man news story. If this loser were Black, her name might be Tawana Brawley. The obvious hoax was perpetuated by a chubby, alleged "white," a McCain campaign worker who claimed to have been assaulted by a 6'-4" Negro. That's why it's all over the news as a "major story." I missed the "complete media blackout" of this hoax, Jethro. Compare the coverage of this incident with the coverage of similar hoaxes, say with the Negress whore Crystal Mangum who falsely cried gang rape by the White Duke University lacrosse team. That crazy street nigger should be in prison for what she did yet she held a press conference today, gushing with injured innocence to announce the publication of her new book about that malicious hoax. ap.google.com/article/ALe...v0axi7e5yXdnGfHgD940CQOO0 Faked "hate crimes" generally belong in the domain of Jews and other non-White "minorities." www.lairdwilcox.com/tool/order00-01.html#Wolf Crying Wolf: Hate Crime Hoaxes In America A thoroughly documented and extensively footnoted study of false and fabricated racist, anti-Gay, and anti-Semitic “hate crimes” actually perpetrated by the “victims” themselves to gain sympathy, advance a political agenda, or for monetary gain. Reviews: (Wilcox’s Report) “contains one documented example after another of extremists of all political stripes - but mostly from groups generally considered societal victims - who have been caught attempting to fabricate “hate crimes.” Phil Stanford, The (Portland) Oregonian, 13 January 1993. “Hoo boy, talk about a powderkeg! This explosive book examines a subject nobody wants to talk about - people who fake hate crimes, such as physical attacks and the destruction or defacing of property that are alleged to be motivated by the victim’s race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.” Russ Kick, Outposts, 1995. From the notorious Tawana Brawley hoax to cases reported only locally, each hoax is analyzed in terms of apparent motives, techniques employed, and payoff to the “victim.” Crying Wolf also discusses the intended and unintended consequences of these hoaxes, and the role of special interest groups in generating irresponsible ‘hate crime” statistics. A list of traits to help identify hoaxes is included. 1995. Laird Wilcox, Author. ISBN 0-933592-82-5. $19.95 Postpaid!
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I give good grades to posters that are brief, to the point and do not travel off into excess verbiage. When I snuck in here, I told the owner I would like to be in charge of something. She said I was in charge of nothing. Thats how I got my job. Pay is lousy but the title is nice.
Writing 'The Bell Curve' was not criminal behavior, calling say several young girls racial epithets and or beating up a man because someone does not like African Americans is overt damages done unto others that have standing as crime, as well it should.
I found that statment insulting. Accountability falls to all of us. WE are accountable for rooting out frauds/theives/liars/cheats. 'Working with' the insane, is for the medical profession. I read an interesting foreword this morning, that said that communists and bolsheviks, merely changed the tags on their doors to democrats and liberals. I wonder now, as they have used their party's faith, and faithful, to dupe them into more harmful policies, if, it matters at all, if anyone shows up at the polls. All pertinent powers of the Executive Office and Legislature have been handed to the Federal Reserve. The Supreme Court has often referenced foreign fads/tendencies, to render decisions upon the employees of the Corp. US. Where is it we are even allowed to choose a representative of the people of the US? We have a National excercise every four years, to show the world we are well trained sheep in the Global Olympics. Sadly, we are so bad at it, we've started the slower of the herd to the early 'voting' shoots.
That is how free speech as it is spelled out in the First Amendment works. No laws can be made to abridge it, but suffering the consequences of one's speech is the best regulator of what is said in existence. I never approve of nor like the racist discourse that goes on in here, and I only don't go after it because logistically I can't. And I think I am suspecting that if several folks showed up to take racism on in here in concert, more banning would happen. I would hope this would not be so, but I really wonder if taking on the racist focus in here would be allowed to take place.
Great stuff as usual, HC. About this 'exotic dancer'. If anyone wants to see what we're up against if Obama and imps like McCarthy get political power, read this book. The only recourse we have is white unification, and a push back. It's that or sit back and lose the nation.
that is a very vague and elusive answer. tell me, who would make the determination that someone's sense of well being and worth is stolen by someone else's words? and how would this "crime" be prosecuted? how do you square this with the first amendment? i'd appreciate direct answers to my questions as well as answers to X-15's.
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When I snuck in here, I told the owner I would like to be in charge of something. She said I was in charge of nothing. Thats how I got my job. Pay is lousy but the title is nice. I must agree having a title is nice. There is a hole in the chain link fence. That's how I got in.
So, as X-15 noted above, you consider speech criminal. What would you charge the 'criminals' with, Mikey?
Is this like when Carter had 'lust in his heart'? Therefore making him guilty of adultery? How about when you think of turning right before the light is green? No traffic, no one coming, is it a crime to think of turning before the GREEN hands down permission?
I just do it. I don't really think about it much since it is not a crime in my state.
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What hogwash. What constitution are you reading because certainly it is not the US's. Here's what the ACLU says about our first amendment rights and the ACLU's stand on "hate speech" - certainly, Mike, you of all people would honor the ACLU's legal position on issues. www.aclu.org/studentsrigh...ion/12808pub19941231.html Many universities, under pressure to respond to the concerns of those who are the objects of hate, have adopted codes or policies prohibiting speech that offends any group based on race, gender, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation. That's the wrong response, well-meaning or not. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution protects speech no matter how offensive its content. Speech codes adopted by government-financed state colleges and universities amount to government censorship, in violation of the Constitution. And the ACLU believes that all campuses should adhere to First Amendment principles because academic freedom is a bedrock of education in a free society. How much we value the right of free speech is put to its severest test when the speaker is someone we disagree with most. Speech that deeply offends our morality or is hostile to our way of life warrants the same constitutional protection as other speech because the right of free speech is indivisible: When one of us is denied this right, all of us are denied. Since its founding in 1920, the ACLU has fought for the free expression of all ideas, popular or unpopular. That's the constitutional mandate. Where racist, sexist and homophobic speech is concerned, the ACLU believes that more speech -- not less -- is the best revenge. This is particularly true at universities, whose mission is to facilitate learning through open debate and study, and to enlighten. Speech codes are not the way to go on campuses, where all views are entitled to be heard, explored, supported or refuted. Besides, when hate is out in the open, people can see the problem. Then they can organize effectively to counter bad attitudes, possibly change them, and forge solidarity against the forces of intolerance...
I thought traffic law was about safety. With that in mind, I also do what makes sense.
Mike, you are behaving rather oddly tonight. You can't be serious. You honestly believe that a person should be charged with a crime "for stealing someone's sense of well being and worth" - barf - or "for denigrating their social standing" - petoowie! Ever heard of the saying "sticks and stones my break my bones but words will never hurt me"? Every child learns that basic method of self defense against churlish people. If someone is so fragile that his sense of self-worth or his perception of social standing is denigrated by someone's words, that person needs medical intervention, not police intervention. I'm sorry but you are sounding very outrageously nutty tonight. Tsk, tsk. I once thought you had a decent enough brain. But extreme liberalism will push someone off the deep end, I guess.
It is. Then they can organize effectively to counter bad attitudes, possibly change them, and forge solidarity against the forces of intolerance... This is not the goal of said organization. It is a divide and conquer tactic. There is only one thing that unites people on a sinking boat in the middle of the ocean. Political discussions about race would probably fall last in such a situation. The ignorant drown.
Should a vote be held, I'd say that this thread has devolved into the stupidest thread ever on this forum.
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Oh really? I can't help but notice that you only focus on examples of racism in whites impacting blacks negatively but you make no mention of blacks' racism against whites. Surely you must be aware of the high rate of inter-racial crime of blacks victimizing whites? It is a one-way street by the way, but you probably know that. Yet what's curious about this DOJ inter-racial violent crime statistic is that with regards to hate crimes being prosecuted by the Justice system, there's a paucity of cases where blacks are prosecuted under these "special circumstances." What gives, Mike? Are the high rates of black crimes against whites examples of blacks showing white people LOVE? You see where I'm going with this don't you, Mike - there's a certain PREJUDICE against whites when violence inflicted upon them by non-whites occurs. Therefore and thusly, I am rather leery of criminalizing "thought" crimes because those cases will only be prosecuted against whitey and unfairly so if "hate crimes" prosecution is any indication of how things work out when "good intentions" are in play. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Now it has.
Rumors rumors and facts. One of which the brainwashed refuse to dare question or explore. Driven by extreme self gratification rather than concern for the greater national concerns. Good post.
Though here in Lane County the city and county government are going to spring for the extra postage if people don't put the right amount on the ballots that weigh more then normal and are in a larger envelope then usual. FYI, I was living in Los Angeles in 1982 when former LA Mayor Tom Bradley lost the governor's race to George Deukmejian, and the real reason that Bradley was defeated was Proposition 15. * Home * Important disclaimer * Hot Topics resources "The “Bradley Effect” and Prop 15 (and Prop 8?) A lot has been written in the past several weeks about the “Bradley effect” (also sometimes called the “Wilder effect,” after Douglas Wilder, the former governor of Virginia). The term purports to name a phenomenon in which voters indicate to pollsters that they are planning to vote for an African-American candidate but end up choosing the opposite course once at the polling station. The phenomenon was named after Tom Bradley, the late mayor of Los Angeles, who, according to the theory, was ahead in most polls in the California gubernatorial race in 1982 but ended up losing the election to George Deukmejian by a margin of nearly 100,000 votes. The phenomenon was apparently first described by Mervin Field, who on election night predicted a five-point Bradley win based on exit polls, but later told the Los Angeles Times that he believed that “conservative whites were under-represented in his sample and that minority groups were over-represented,” adding that “some conservative whites do not like to be polled and won’t cooperate.” Leo McElroy, a Sacramento political consultant, told KCBS Radio News this morning that he thought that while there was some evidence in favor of the “Bradley effect,” there was also evidence that Proposition 15, 1982’s gun control initiative, brought out many voters to the polls who might not have otherwise participated. He seemed to suggest that Proposition 15 was as much a factor in Bradley’s loss as any “Bradley effect.” (Proposition 15 lost at the polls by an overwhelming margin.) (2 to 1 to be exact-HD) In any case, the “Bradley effect” terminology, whether it accurately depicts a phenomenon of voting behavior or not, has become part of the lexicon, and has been applied not only to the 2008 presidential race, in which Barack Obama is ahead of John McCain in many polls, but to contests like the battle over Proposition 8, in which a seemingly insurmountable poll lead for opponents of the measure during the summer vanished during the fall." puppy growls: The fact is, the gun initiative brought rural voters out who wouldn't have bothered to vote if the only issue was California getting its first African American governor. Those same voters were not polled for that reason-they were not a factor in previous elections. It's a sad truth that the story that would have the most sticking power is the one that implies that whites are closet racists who lie to pollsters. The media can't bring themselves to admit that Prop 15, which they backed tooth and nail and jammed down our throats for weeks before the election cost Bradley the race. For what it's worth Deukmejian was extremely eloquent in his speeches and on talk show interviews, and he said all the right things at a time when Ronald Reagan was ascending to the throne of conservo demigod. Bradley was an uninspired cookie cutter liberal anti gunner (and former LAPD Lieutenant-the highest African American officer at that time-but cops in general and LAPD in particular ain't exactly the heroes of CA politics) with a message that appealed to few, and his primary support come from non (and anti) white interests, who would have voted for any black running regardless of qualifications. The minority racists would have been easy to document and expose, simply by asking some what they liked about Bradley's platform. But the MSM in CA wouldn't ever do that. There are only so many column inches in print and minutes of airtime and that must be reserved to document "white racism". ____________ Regarding Lane County's planned enforcement of postage on ballots, someone could collect a few hundred bux and drop it off to be used to pay for any postage deficits that arrive at elections. And, then dare those bastards to try and reject any ballot for insufficient postage. They've already killed my candidate's chances and robbed Americans of the chance to restore our former greatness. So, who wins isn't important, but how they win can still bring out the Hellfire in me. Crooks like former Ohio Sec. Of State Ken Blackwell and his cronies, the execs at DIEBOLD belong in prison, singing, "NOBODY KNOW THE TROUBLE I'VE SEEN....NOBODY KNOWS....BUT JESUS....."
I don't support or sanction any racism, black on white, white on black, Hispanic against black, white against Hispanic, but they do have differences in origin and how each developed overall. White racism developed from a majority that used 'The Doctrine of Discovery' and later Manifest Destiny to mold and shape how racism was used to consolidate and build the doctrine of racism into a system of control and to maintain others in a permanent underclass in this country. I recognize European racism against Natives in the Americas, against Asians and Africans as a central part of the problem of racism in the United States. But all racism, regardless who has it and why they feel justified in expressing it is equally bad. There is no doubt about that.
Holy desperate McCampaign beginning to do desperate and reckless things! Do you think this is true?
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Omegod!!! Ciny!!!! You GOTTA Rush to Pittsburgh and protect our Sarah! This is so serious! Now 'we' can all see what this Obama thingy is about. Is they trying to rape and mutilate our white weemin.
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For what it's worth Deukmejian was extremely eloquent in his speeches and on talk show interviews, and he said all the right things at a time when Ronald Reagan was ascending to the throne of conservo demigod. Bradley was an uninspired cookie liberal anti gunner (and former LAPD Lieutenant-the highest African American officer at that time-but cops in general and LAPD in particular ain't exactly the heroes of CA politics) with a message that appealed to few, and his primary support come from non (and anti) white interests, who would have voted for any black running regardless of qualifications. Insightful post though I'd quibble with your use of the word "racist" when you refer to the reason white voters cast their ballots for Deukmejian. They voted for the candidate with whom they most closely identified, a very natural behavior instinct. It was not a case of their voting against Bradley because he was black.
I hope this wakes people up. It's 1:46 a.m. and I am wide awake now, because of this. My 2 Huskies have a lot of Black on them. Should I be afraid? I guess I'll have no choice but to vote for the McCain the Senile now.
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This true news demonstrates beyond a doubt that It's hunting season on Whitey now. We got to defend ourselves and lynch us a couple Negroes.
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She was obviously traumatized, and probably called her personal Physician Indeed. We should only trust our White Physicians. This White girl of ours must be in so much pain, I'm all teared up and sobbing.
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Shame on them. This is so TRUE. It's good that we had McCain campaign right on top of the situation and they spread the truth at a time when the Police, obviously infiltrated by Blacks, refused to release the truth that we all wanted to hear.
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And... skirt up Jethro the Retired Cop.
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That is how free speech as it is spelled out in the First Amendment works. No laws can be made to abridge it, but suffering the consequences of one's speech is the best regulator of what is said in existence. That's exactly right, Mike. How many times have we heard some state worshiper say that "You can't shout fire in a crowded theater!"? The truth is the opposite. You CAN shout fire if there's a fire, or if you smell smoke (or if you follow the advice of fmr NYPD Detective and security consultant/author J.J. Bookbinder, who recommends shouting fire instead of "rape!" because people who won't get involved in a rape would be threatened by fire so they will respond) and you can shout "FIRE!" even if none of these conditions are present. The govt does not have the power to tape your mouth before you enter a theater because that would be unconstitutional prior restraint!" However, if you needlessly cause a panic and injury and/or property damage then you could be (and should be) tossed in jail. And that is "suffering the consequences of one's speech" as you said. The freedom to speak does not automatically indemnify or insulate one from responsibility for the abuse of a constitutional right, any more than the right to keep and bear arms automatically brings with it the right to fire weapons in the direction of another. In either case one had better be prepared to justify the legally questionable exercise of a constitutional right. Where you and I may part company is, perhaps you'd like to see the law come down on Nazi/Klan/BNP marches and such because riots (involving those hot blooded "other people") ensue. But, that strategy has been used by anti fascists and fascists alike in the past, and it has no place in America. It's a shoddy end run around the rights of those who exercise their freedom for unpopular or non-PC reasons. If everyone was limited to only soft, unoffensive expression then why would we even need a 1st amendment?
Indeed like in... it did not occur. I am reading this thread for entertainment and I am getting lots of. (that was Sarahspeak) The level of Cretinism on this thread is so high (or low... it depends where your point of reference may be) it beats that of Jerry the Springer's show by... a lot. I did note the lucid analysis from Angle and a couple of others but... Ciny, Jethro, the Original... the other usual suspects, they do not disappoint.
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It turns out that the report was from McCain the Campaign, you stupid, credulous, one-born-every-minute sucker.
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Confession time? :))))))
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And that is "suffering the consequences of one's speech" as you said. Where you and I may part company is, perhaps you'd like to see the law come down on Nazi/Klan/BNP marches and such because riots (involving those hot blooded "other people") ensue. But, that strategy has been used by anti fascists and fascists alike in the past, and it has no place in America. It's a shoddy end run around the rights of those who exercise their freedom for unpopular or non-PC reasons. "The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence." Content of speech cannot be regulated by government. End of story.
An excellent point, and no one in the CA MSM would ever think to air the question, "Why is Tom Bradley automatically presumed to be the better candidate?" It seemed that the unspoken presumption was "It's time for a person of color to be governor" and "right thinking whites" were supposed to "do social justice" by voting for Bradley. It may be difficult for outsiders to believe but CA is that eat slap up (as mah Confederate relations would say) with unrepentant liberalism, and for whites that meant heaping ladles of guilt and sacrifice by falling on their swords (voting against their perceived interests) at that time. When my former trumpet player learned I was moving to LA, he just laughed. (He was a postal worker out there years before) When I asked why he chortled to himself he said, "You'll find out!" And, I did. When Bradley's defeat was announced the newscasters were so somber and heartbroken that I actually laughed out loud while watching them on TV! It was as if Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden had opened a combination assault rifle/indoor target shooting boutique and daycare center on Rodeo Drive! And when Prop 15 fell by a 2 to 1 margin the newscaster banged his fist on the desk and shouted, "WHEN WILL PEOPLE EVER LEARN?" The gun proposition was extremely divisive because the media totally blocked out any spoken and written opposition to the ban, and we were carpet bombed with proponents on talks shows, in newspapers and even nightly newscasts for weeks before. It was clear that any dirty trick they could use was fair to "defeat the awesome gun lobby" a tactic that was later repeated in MD when they created their "handgun approval (ban) board" which by fiat may decree what guns are available for sale in the state..
Content of speech cannot be regulated by government. End of story. Very good. Timely and informative. A+. (teacher's pet)
It was the kid who reported it to the police, hence the arrest of her, and not a member of the McCain campaign. And jeez....who could make a mistake thinking a white kid could get mugged by a burr head in the 'berg. Go peddle your white guilt somewhere else. Obama voters, but virtue of the adoration of socialism, aren't a good fit here. Now scat.
You mean Vast the side line runner still posts here? Good heavens, where is the Orkins man when we need him. Reminds me of Colon Bowell..."I am supporting Obama, but not because of race".... It seems to escape the intelligence and decency of some of our white guilters that no one on this forum supports "whitey" McKook or Palin.
Vast is a despicable socialist, enamored by black skin. Remove the melanin from his Saviour and you have Ted Kennedy. The poor soul is reduced to hit and run tactics, but like Mikey, I expect him to do a victory lap after the Black one and his nasty wife defile the White House w/their presence come January. Obama will never be my president, and for those who believe the office of the president deserves respect, well they're living in a time warp. Vast is the essence of white guilt, and a prime example why we've temporarily lost the nation.
No one seems concerned or have the slightest interest in the fact that 101 per cent of blacks just happen to support Obama. It would seem to a rational person that at least one black somewhere would have black guilt and support McKooK. This, however, is not the case. MSM, white guilters and their ilk all ignore the total black support for Obama. My personal preference for my own race makes me a "racist", but glacks get a pass on the very same level. Then we have the guilters that prefer not to live in Harlem nor any inner city, that stand on the rooftops telling the world how pure their soul is, just dont make them live in Harlem.
Geez, all your verbage has me cowing in the corner. In order to proper respond to your accusations/disappointment more time than what I have to devote to this project today is required. Let me simply say for now that I recognize the issues in the black culture in America today and don't dismiss them. However, as to my secret motive for judging a man based on his person rather than his color, on his person rather than his genetic or cultural group, there is only my upbringing. I am a descendent of Polish American parents, raised with the traditional Polish customs that remained from what my families brought with them in the early part of the last century. Raised Roman Catholic in mixed neighborhoods of Polish-AM, Irish-AM, Italian-AM and some African-AM among others. Polak, Kike, Jew, Wop, Nigger were all a part of what I heard and saw. One of the nicest men I knew in my life was "Scag" Cottman the trash man. Older black and steady, he was a model of dignity and work ethic, friendly and a community man who devoted his time to black youth in baseball and other events. Perhaps that relationship shaped my views. My father was a racist against blacks. I never agreed with that. During the course of my life I have been friendly with blacks but never close friends. Their culture hasn't allowed for it. I have worked with blacks and get along with never a problem. Therefore, when the offensive racists on this board like JT and cyni and others getting a thread going with hateful non-productive rhetoric based upon the problems in the black culture in America that has a myriad of causes and few solutions and wants to castigate and disparage a whole group of people, yes, people, human beings like you and I, I take exception. That doesn't mean I don't see an explosive powder keg of problems set to explode in our cities, but remember that all of this including the financial tsunami was done by design. I don't agree that hateful discourse is productive. The language and insinuation is beneath the level of discussion in which I choose to participate and I take exception to it.
Right. And (horrors) a majority of Whitey. Could it be that a majority of Whites are anti-White, the same way, Sarah proved it to us, a majority of the US Americans are anti-Americans?
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It's illegal to sexually abuse animals, you need help.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
That MUST be it.
Your comments in this post are absolute horseshit and border on paranoid delusional.
I wouldn't be sure. Please first describe "white culture". Then perhaps we can discuss the same idea. As to the desire to preserve one's race...ok, I agree that the desire to preserve the white race isn't as strong a PC goal as other races. But let me state for the record that I don't agree with the idea that the total of what constitutes an individual human being is defined by race. further, i don't see where Cyni or JT have ever written that they hate blacks or any other race as you keep accusing Certainly, they haven't written "I hate blacks" because it would be too damning, even for the support they get on this forum. Yet they denigrate blacks, ALL blacks, all the time. One can PREFER and promote ones own race without disparaging other races.
Do you think "civil rights" for all races is appropriate?
Excuse Mr. Angle. Blacks being blacks isn't my beef. My problem is with white guilters such as yourself, who have donned the Obama knee pads and kinked up their hair.
Define civil rights.
Thank you.
that no one on this forum supports "whitey" McKook or Palin. Supporting them is one thing, voting against Obama is another.
In your view, which are 'the greater national concerns' and, given that there is no doubt that either McCain or Obama are going to be the next US prez., which of the 2 is, in your view, more likely to better address those concerns and why do you believe that it is so? As some of the members of this site (not the cooks) would tell you, I am persuadable and I am open to learning so, let's see if you can move me to your side, whichever it may be.
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Well then, your voting in the sham election will be well received here by the resident anti-blacks.
On this, we can be friends.
Newt... First time since Ike I will not vote, period. I like most Americans was taught it was our duty and right to vote, and I started voting for Ike under that lesson. In later years it became apparent that I was voting for the lesser of two evils and that there was in reality only one party. For my personal well being I will no longer participate in the charade. I have a right to decide on my own, vote or no vote and I have made my decision.
Define yours and lets compare. Top 3.
Why should I care?
Did I miss something? Was wadosy banned?
Note the tactics on 588.
Ollie, I thought you had a clear idea of what the greater national priorities were. The fair play would have been for you to name your priorities but, apparently, you would rather define yours in a reactive way - as in yours (probably made up on the spot) in response to mine. That reminds me of Sara's inability to name ONE 'precondition' after talking about only meeting with Castro or Ahmadinajad after 'preconditions' were met. I will be very open with you and I will admit that we no longer have anything that we could call 'a nation'. All 'we' got is a State and, possibly, a common urge to consume - thus W more often than not calling his State's citizens 'consumers' as opposite to, let's say, immigrants, who are known as 'workers'. The State (not national because there is no nation no more) priorities? Here they are. 1 - Kick out anything that's W or W-related from the State machinery. Now, let's see what your national priorities are and let's see if you can pull me into your camp which you haven't named yet.
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In later years it became apparent that I was voting for the lesser of two evils and that there was in reality only one party. For my personal well being I will no longer participate in the charade. I have a right to decide on my own, vote or no vote and I have made my decision. The outcome is of course pre-determined. We are paying for the carnival either way. Everyone fighting over kewpie dolls. The more money we blow on a chance of a bigger prize, the richer the operators become. Ever laugh at the guy walking out of county fair with a giant stuffed Tweety Bird? Poor slob thought he was impressing someone with his artful ring tossing or dime bouncing skills. Big grins till he gets the stupid bird home or worse yet, sticks that monstrosity to live with a loved one. Here's the thing. I want the other Democrat to get stuck with the Bird. So, I'll play along as there's nothing else I can do to have a little fun in this national amusement park. I agree with sitting it out and understand your reasons why. I was going to do the same thing. But, I had a change of heart. The lessers have agreed on the evils coming our way already.
I'd substitute #4 with improving the infrastructure in our country.
I am aware of such tactics. One of my coworkers is an inscrutable Chinese - we are friends - and he's a master at playing these games.
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Well... we're either getting outta here (a new frontier?) or we redo the fixer- upper :)
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did you ban wadosy?
Can you tell me how you reached that conclusion? You demanded I put forth an essay. Now you insult me by suggesting my response was a trick. Paranoid much?
No dear. If you have any idea of what 'the greater national priorities' are, you spell them out or you prove yourself to be an uninteresting debater. I gave you not three but FIVE national priorities. Now, name yours or hide forever in shame.
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Nothing elusive about it. Read Hugo Black on the First Amendment. He differentiates between speech and conduct. I was once in a crummy (forest work vehicle, slang) and one of the men I worked with screamed at a young girl who walked up, "GET OUTTA HERE, NIGGER BITCH!" She was about ten and this hurt her. This is not free speech, this is conduct that should be the recipient of immediate response. He got one that day, but that was between him and me. He just hated all black people and used this hatred to harm others. Another time two drunk skin heads blocked a woman's car near the coffee shop I went to before it folded giving her the Nazi salute with his foot on her bumper. I shadowed the anti-Semite pigs and the foot on bumper bozo responded by throwing parts of a pallet my way. I had placed a cell phone call, and he and his buddy were arrested, and they were charged with hate crime related assault and convicted of felonies. I believe that the first instance was definitely worth a tort filing by the girl's parents. As it was, he just got a chance to fight me. And if I see him again, I'll beat his ass one more time. That is how I like to deal with this concerning co-workers like this I can't get fired. The second one involved actual physical intimidation of a woman (whom I know and is Christian) and assault on me. That was actionable by the police in a justifiable way. I feel people need to work things out between themselves and should use civil court to make haters and baiters feel a financial and social sting as a result of acting out their irrational hate. If I hear live and in the flesh racist comments - say at a supermarket - I have a very booming voice and I use it. I am not someone who people like this intimidate very easily. I am good at creating a groundswell of support for my well chosen words because many would like to say something but are afraid to. That is how people should be, like me. They should speak up, even if their knees tremble as they do it. People have the right to free speech as per the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. But if they express hate through speech at work and say get fired because of it for example, that is consequence earned. I generally hate the cops and hate calling them. But if someone turns their speech into conduct to humiliate, harass or embarrass someone merely for subjective reasons like they hate Mexicans, Blacks, are Black and hate Whites, are a skinhead and hater Jews, or what ever the deal is, they deserve to have their world rocked for this. Hate Speech Law is problematic and I really don't trust it. But the U.S. Constitution is there to protect small groups and advocacies against the whim and caprice of the majority, so I could support an expiration set law against hate speech that promoted oppression, and took someone's sense of well being away from them and reduced their social, political and employment options in the community. It is an imperfect stop gap way to deal with it, but justifiable. Now as for how you set what is or what isn't examples of speech becoming conduct that blocks another from their rights as a community member or individual, I have seldom seen that having a gray area. Everyone well recognizes it and if there are questions whether it is or isn't, there is civil court one can file a tort in to remedy what they consider a wrong that had not been addressed by the criminal court system. A man taking a woman aside as not to embarrass he telling her he can't date her as she hints she wishes he would because he can't stand White woman as a Japanese ethnic male is not taking any rights away, or committing a hate crime. If he publicly displays his anger and hatred in a way to get others to shun or harass her, even verbally, that is a crime. That is theft of social standing to benefit his own and to build his ego at her expense. As far as where we set the enforceable standard, I prefer sticking with existing law and using that to invoking new laws that hurt the process of society on the whole evolving past this bad behavior. Too often too, such laws become tainted with too much of a political mindset and that creates resentment that is counter-productive to the creation of the environment needed to evolve change in society. We have to remember that the police have just so many man hours to work with, and so many resources with which to do their job. And it is better to learn to live within our law enforcement means and to learn how to organize and act ourselves to deal with racism and hatred. The best solutions involve communication and by confronting the behavior directly. So there is racist acts that would be bet left not handled by the police if the hate crime law solution creates more police and authority figures. There are never any easy answers in all this. But common sense goes a long way to crafting them. If I had been at a talk by say George Lincoln Rockwell and heard a typical comment by him that he would gladly give any black person wanting to go to Africa permanently to get across his belief all Blacks should be deported regardless of where they were born or how good a citizen they were, I would laugh at his stupidity and jeer him. I would be forced to defend him if he were prosecuted for this speech, because it is political speech, and directed against no set individual with a specific goal of theft of social well being or standing against them. But if I saw someone hit someone because they hate Blacks, I would run to help whomever was being assaulted. And I would do so if a White Man was being beaten for being White by someone who obviously acts merely out of the irrational hatred that is racism. All racism is wrong.
Yes, he was.
Holy shades of Jim Robinson.
I gave you not three but FIVE national priorities. Now, name yours or hide forever in shame. Who made you King Tut? You are already pissed and I've not even gotten started. Ha! You've jumped to conclusions about my motives, and I don't intend to waste time with a self important schmuck. Be nice or be ignored.
Can you tell me how you reached that conclusion? LOL - I must have naively assumed that you meant what you wrote. So, you are saying that you DO NOT have any idea of what 'the greater national priorities' are but you wish that everyone was focused on them and ignore the distractions? It's sounds so... Palinesque.
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Amateur.
She must be a Rotara under a different name.
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My dear, you will never 'start' because you have no idea what you are talking about but you keep 'talking'.
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Maybe.
You have a problem with comprehension don't you? Meds?
And, per your usual, you can carp, whine, cheese, and grouse without having anything of substance to contribute.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I keep responding. Try to keep up. You can apologize to me, and we can continue a discussion, but I will not tolerate your insulting tone. If you can't help yourself, then, we can work on those skills too.
For the record: You are completely incapable to name three 'greater national priorities' or even one but you believe that you should bash others for not focusing on 'them'. Then, you make some lame attempts at insulting rational people willing to be educated.
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Let's do a compromise. You don't need to interact with me so try something at your level. This is my suggestion: Start a new thread titled 'The Greater National Priorities' and name yours in your first post. You can then defend or promote them as others choose to participate.
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I think referring to it as "White Culture" misses the point. A culture is a living breathing thing composed of the people who make it. It is technology, art, music, science, mores, and manners. A culture is viable or it is not viable i.e., it either has the potential for survival and enhancing survival for the greatest number or it does not. A superior culture is one which enhances all of these for all people. It could even grow into a civilization. Something that would be a nice change on this insane asylum of a planet. However, would you regard the "Culture of the 'Hood" or of "The Barrio" as a superior culture? As I commented in my first post on this thread "race" is a highly charged subject. However, "culture" taken in it's broadest meaning is not a race specific thing, it can be only because some of a particular human subspecies might formulate their own, but that does approach the broader questions of mutual respect and toleration. Requirements for a true civilization. Certainly the 'Hood, "The Barrio", or the Trailer Park are not emblematic of civilization. Tolerance, and toleration, must be a two way street. Western "culture", or as it has now be redefined - misdefined, has offered the greatest amount of individual liberty to people's of all human groups. Certainly it has had its defects, but in its best moments it has transcended them. Never forget that there were an awful lot of "White" people who fought slavery, and whose descendents took up the battle of "Civil Rights". So, although it has become increasingly polarized because of the pendulum swing from oppression to oppression "White Culture" is still a misnomer. It was that "Western Culture" (with the occasional eastern influence) which raised the world from muck and mire. The ongoing attacks on that culture are intended to divide and disperse those elements of it which run counter to the totalitarianism that the Bankster Class would like to impose upon the rest of humanity. "Black Culture" as distinct from "Western Culture" does not exist. There are sub-cultures within the common culture but the attempt to subdivide and elevate one group or another to a point of supremecy misses the point and is at best myopic and at its worst destructive.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I keep responding. Try to keep up. You can apologize to me, and we can continue a discussion, but I will not tolerate your insulting tone. If you can't help yourself, then, we can work on those skills too. One of the problems I have found with people having ill manners is that they are so egocentric that it never occurs to them that their "temper tantrums" are not "Holy Writ". At least when I am ill mannered or nasty it is purely by intent. "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
yes, i did. when someone makes the accusation that i'm stirring up race wars because i allow discussion of race issues and encourage freedom of expression and then follows it up with an inflammatory post about shooting and exterminating black people, i take that very seriously. i take that as a deliberate attempt to intimidate, censor, and silence me. that went far over the line and i'm not going to accept it.
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It seems that some people want their free speech guaranteed, in whatever form they desire, however free speech by others is at the mercy of censorship.
I think it's an overreaction on your part. I said myself that I thought your posting of this story and your promotion of it as though it was factual was questionable judgment. "A bit suspicious of circumstances to be making racially motivated accusations." Your story resulted in this: and equally repugnant comments. Your silence condones it. I was attacked myself for questioning the story, yet you made nary a peep (here's a sample)#55: "That report is from the victim and witness, you're has been yanked our of your backside, you slimy WG'er." - JT Then you join up with Hounddawg in wanting my answers to the questions in his ridiculous raving mad post which accuses me of "feeling inferior to blacks?" and having "something to hide" because according to his logic, if I don't hate black people, I hate white people. You ignore the hateful and horrible comments under the guise of free speech, and then you ban wadsoy because you don't like what he said. I noticed you didn't refute wadosy's comments with your free speech. My god christine. I hope this is a decision of your own making, otherwise the bad advice you're taking doesn't bode well for the integrity of your mission statement.
I'd call it an advanced civilisation. However, would you regard the "Culture of the 'Hood" or of "The Barrio" as a superior culture? No.
OMG.........are you saying that even alan keyes has turned against whitey?
You are completely incapable to name three 'greater national priorities' or even one but you believe that you should bash others for not focusing on 'them'. Then, you make some lame attempts at insulting rational people willing to be educated. For the Record, spin baby spin.
I forgot about him. Years ago I supported him until he strayed off the reservation.
Seconded. When I've time later, I'll gladly expound on this. He as a new poster, and posted his view as an argument against racist verbiage. He should of gotten a rebuttal, not a head butting to the exit. With all due respect, teach and discuss limits you feel have been breached first. Then if they do not work out the problem and turn into a BeaChooser grade fuckwit, then ban them. I also question a perma ban near the emotionally charged time of an election. I suggest that if you feel this warranted an exit from forum, then go ahead and stick by that decision, but make it a time out, not a permaban.
No doubt you supported him out of your 'White Guilt,' yes? <./needle>
I think you're correct.
I did as well, Cyni.
Boy, have you got his shorts at twisted up in his hiney! LOLOL. Go Olivia Go.
That's the truth. Seems King Tut fancy's himself the 'decider'. Not only that, he's the official 'Record Keeper', which must be very time consuming. I commend him for his spirit of volunteerism. At least when I am ill mannered or nasty it is purely by intent. This is good to know. =} "A gentleman is one who is never unintentionally rude." ~ Oscar Wilde What a perfect quote.
He tips over easy. ;) LOL!
rest assured that it was. the mistake i made was not making the reason clear at the time. again, i feel that wadosy went far over the line with his incendiary comments regarding killing and exterminating blacks. i stand by my decision.
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Mike... As a "racist", today I hired a nice young man that just turned 16. Mother white, Father black. He is a straight A student, willing to work. He will even do housework. I pay ten an hour, he is happy, his parents and grandparents have been friends for years. I will take any person on his own, I will take no race as an entity. The kid I let go is a whitey. Pure racism Mike.
If you take it out of context. I notice you didn't comment as to the drawing.
I never said you were a racist. I merely point out where you are myopic.
1 - Kick out anything that W or W-related from the State machinery. 2 - Forget about free-trades and globalism. 3 - Get the hell out of 'the world', militarily speaking. 4 - Focus on establishing permanent colonies on the Moon, Mars and toward interstellar expeditions. 5 - Give Bush and his co-conspirators a fair trial on counts of mostly treason. angle's national priorities: I'd substitute #4 with improving the infrastructure in our country. Oh my, are you so blind that you cannot see your single minded hatred for W? Do you honestly believe that it was only evil W and his co-conspirators [ and from your POV these c-conspirators are all GOP no doubt ] who caused our nation to engage in deadly and costly foreign wars and foreign occupations? Do you think it was only W and the GOP who raised domestic spending to heights never seen before even in the most liberal administrations like FDR's? Do you believe it was W who foisted anti-civil rights government departments like Fatherland Security on Americans? Do you see only W pushing through by imperial fiat the ghastly Military Commissions Act that protects government officials from prosecution as of Sept. 12, 2001 onwards and allows the President and the Defense Secty to pluck civilians off the street on their whim? You honestly believe that once W and his GOP conspirators are vanquished and put on trial ( dream on), the Good Ship Lollipop America will be set on course again with Captain Obama at the helm and aided by his crew of Nancy and Harry and Rahm and Janie "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" Harman and Chuckie "the banks need a bailout asap" CheeseCake? You two are quite the pair.
I already stated that America has lost the opportunity of becoming a nation and I can't see how it will ever be one. As for the future of the American state, it's not bright either. A Soviet Union-style breakup is likely within the next 50 years. To answer your other questions: yes, it was mostly W and his handlers who are behind those evil things. Did many others collaborate and played along? You betcha. Many politicians have been scared and cowed into going along with the main perpetrators and they are guilty of cowardice but, do NOT try to leave the impression that 'everybody did it' and, therefore, it does not matter. The script, this time, was written by Dick Cheney, the Neocons, Israeli agents of influence, not by Teddy Kennedy.
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The script was written by the neoconlibs. W, cheney are controlled by neos as much as are nancy, harry, and the rest. Fyi, in November there will be a change of seats on the Titanic but at the helm will be the neos. I think you need to read The Israel Lobby and the blog by philip weiss [ he names names of neolibs in Obama's campaign] to get a better understanding of our national priorities. If it were me the first 3 national priorities would be: 1. forbid all US citizens, holding dual citizenship, from holding elected office or policy level positions within federal and state government 2. force AIPAC to register as a foreign agent 3. hold a national referendum re: term limits for federal elected officials. After those 3 priorities were put in place, all other necessary changes would follow because elected officials would be reminded whom they serve and that they serve at the little people's behest..
What are you doing, going Palin on us? What suggests that these collaborators won't be there directing Obingo?
hate is hate, and no matter what color the hater is, it's destuctive. and that's just how it is. I notice you use the word "destructive" when Black racism comes into the discussion. It was "racism" when we were discussing whites. I think I see your true colors pal..pun intended.. You're one of those hypocritical daily Kook libs or a black racist yourself.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx I don't know. What suggests that the Martians won't be there directing Obingo? Obama is less likely to purposely harm the US Americans because, after all, you can't have a strong State if your subjects get too sick, too demoralized or too stupid. What is apparent from observing these 2 is that Obama is not senile or insane. He also appears to be a decent person. McCain, of course, is indecent, insane and senile so... it's easy to pick Obama over McCain.
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And you did fine......that person was trying to instigate a reason for having feeble gubmint step in.
Such political insight. Your children will thrive under Obongo's guiding hand.
And further to your fine commentary, scrapper...they wouldn't see that the gop majority congress from '94 onward to their demise in the early 2000s were bragging about even spending more than their apparently beloved perverted president was asking for! But, hey....who lets facts get in the way....I need to order a new pair of 'rose colored' ones, I reckon.
You got it, dee! wadosy was a purposeful fomenter.
I don't see that drawing as equivalent to wadosy's postings to me. As I said before, his accusing me of contributing to and/or fomenting race wars in this country because of the allowance of the discussion here struck me as an intimidation tactic, one intended to silence and censor me and others. As the thread progressed, he stopped debating the issue and, instead, began attacking my motives and hurling ad hominem accusations. Then these two comments from him (1)"...short of going out and shooting a bunch of black people" " (2)seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites, i guess you're performing a public service, here," I determined were purposefully inflammatory. No one else wrote or suggested anything of the sort. Those words and ideas came from him alone. I believe this was an attempt to attribute those ideas, by insinuation, to me and/or others. Those comments caused me to conclude that wadosy's intent was to incite, intimidate, and to disrupt the debate, therefore, my decision to retire his account.
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Drop the "0" from that prediction and you'll probably be closer to accurate. In fact, the U.S. government in its present form probably only lasts until next summer. What happens after the debt default is not very predictable, except for the oppression part of it.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Myopic??????? How dare you deride my religion?????
I didn't pay much attention to this thread until the matter had been somewhat settled, so this response isn't directed at the content of this particular topic. But, wadosy was a trouble maker looking for an argument with every response and never added anything to the conversation.
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
This was Brother Wadosy near the beginning, giving 4um members a preview of what was to come. "#78. To: Turtle (#76) none of it makes sense. that's why you should wait before you start spewing hatred all over this motherfucking forum. wadosy posted on 2008-10-23 17:56:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Such a fine upstanding gentleman?????
Its been eight long years since the boys said wassup to each other. Even with the effects of a down economy and imminent change in the White House, the boys are still able to come together and stay true to what really matters. Heh, sometimes it's mine too,(Just don't tell anyone now, you here?) Here is my favorite commercial of the season.
"#78. To: Turtle (#76) none of it makes sense. that's why you should wait before you start spewing hatred all over this motherfucking forum. wadosy posted on 2008-10-23 17:56:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Such a fine upstanding gentleman????? This was my last post to the idiot ! #5. To: wadosy (#4) I've determined you're too stupid for me to waste time communicating with ... try Richard, he's more inclined to jack with the mentally challenged than I am. There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right. noone222 posted on 2008-10-22 5:21:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
There is no honor in bending one's knee to the banking elites that are robbing the children you claim to love of their future. Soon they'll convince those very same children that you deserve to be eliminated ... and they may be right.
Because she's a McCain supporter?
How dare you deride my religion????? Ahh... you're a member of the Myopic Denial Mongers? Yes, I do believe that is, in fact, the single biggest religion on the face of the planet nowadays. How are the weekly sermons? Entertaining? Informative? Do you have things like socials and picnics on holidays?
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: christine (#0)
#4. To: angle (#3)
#5. To: Flintlock (#4)
#6. To: christine (#0)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#7. To: bluegrass (#6)
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#9. To: christine (#0)
#10. To: bluegrass (#8)
#11. To: Cynicom (#10)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#12. To: Cynicom (#5)
It happened
#13. To: angle (#3)
#14. To: Flintlock (#12)
#15. To: christine (#13)
#16. To: Flintlock, all (#12)
load and lock, bump
#17. To: Cynicom (#10)
#18. To: All (#17)
the woman refused medical treatment after the assault, which happened outside the view of the bank's surveillance cameras.
#19. To: christine (#13)
a little premature with your attack there, aren't you?
#20. To: angle (#18)
the woman refused medical treatment after the assault
#21. To: PeteCat (#9)
#22. To: christine (#13)
#23. To: christine (#21)
#24. To: angle (#19)
#25. To: christine (#24)
who made a racially motivated accusation?
#26. To: Flintlock (#12)
This whole thing is starting to get out of hand. We've had shootings, beatings and now this, All From The Obama Camp
#27. To: angle, Cynicom, christine (#17)
Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#28. To: bluegrass (#27)
#29. To: christine (#0)
#30. To: Cynicom (#28)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#31. To: LACUMO (#26)
#32. To: bluegrass, Cynicom (#30)
#33. To: christine (#0)
#34. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#32)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#35. To: Original_Intent (#29)
The Obamessiah's Worshippers are a bit too tightly wound.
#36. To: bluegrass, lodwick, christine, all (#30)
#37. To: Cynicom (#35)
I loathe people that live on their knees.
#38. To: angle (#3)
(Edited)
#39. To: angle (#17)
The robber is described as a dark-skinned black man
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#40. To: All, angle (#33)
The robber is described as a dark-skinned black man, 6 feet 4 inches tall, 200 pounds with a medium build, short black hair and brown eyes. The man was wearing dark colored jeans, a black undershirt and black shoes.
#41. To: Original_Intent (#37)
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
Another crazed Irishman. Arm up boys and girls.
#43. To: Cynicom (#41)
Main stream media will not touch this one, no way. If they do it will be the fault of the young lady that somehow attacked the innocent young man.
#44. To: Cynicom (#22)
#45. To: Original_Intent (#31)
Are we then to abase ourselves before the image of the Holy Obamessiah and beg his forgiveness for our broken souls?
#46. To: christine (#38)
i found the headline on drudge.
#47. To: Cynicom (#42)
Our local knee padding white guilters have sprung from the closet to confront such racism.
#48. To: PeteCat (#33)
The woman in question is affiliated with the McCain Campaign and is from Texas. Gov. Palin spoke with the victim briefly by phone.
#49. To: angle (#46)
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
is described as a dark-skinned black man, 6 feet 4 inches tall, 200 pounds with a medium build, short black hair and brown eyes. The man was wearing dark colored jeans, a black undershirt and black shoes.
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
#52. To: Jethro Tull, All (#49)
#53. To: LACUMO (#45)
Are we then to abase ourselves before the image of the Holy Obamessiah and beg his forgiveness for our broken souls?
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
It's an accurate report.
#55. To: angle (#50)
#56. To: angle (#48)
The woman in question is affiliated with the McCain Campaign and is from Texas. Gov. Palin spoke with the victim briefly by phone.
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#47)
Two words for them and it isn't happy birthday. Let them continue to live in the world of PC, I prefer reality. BTW, this dark, acting as darks do, probably tossed the state of PA to Mad Mac.
#58. To: angle (#3)
. I'm shocked to see you post this garbage.
#59. To: christine (#0)
(Edited)
#60. To: Original_Intent, all (#53)
#61. To: LACUMO (#57)
I smell karl rove in this whole thingy.
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#61)
#63. To: Cynicom (#62)
#64. To: Cynicom (#60)
(Edited)
Some of the knee padders here should be checked for rabies as it it appears they are frothing at the mouth.
#65. To: Original_Intent (#64)
Skin color has nothing to do with it, but fanaticism and mass public mind manipulation does.
#66. To: christine (#0)
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE
#67. To: angle (#46)
#68. To: christine (#0)
(Edited)
"well, the picture of the "victim" seems to have disappeared itself already.
#69. To: christine (#0)
#70. To: wadosy (#68)
it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"...
#71. To: Cynicom (#65)
Skin color has nothing to do with it, but fanaticism and mass public mind manipulation does.
(When he fractured the United Negro College Fund's motto: "A Mind is a terrible thing to waste."
#72. To: Original_Intent (#53)
In short you are simply displaying how tightly mind controlled you are.
#73. To: Cynicom (#70)
it showed what-looked-to-be 1/8" abrasions on the woman's cheek, in the form of a backwards "B"...
#74. To: Cynicom (#70)
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards
#75. To: Cynicom (#70)
If he were standing at her head, would it be backwards>>>>
#76. To: wadosy (#74)
dont you think he'd have to be sitting on her chest to hold her down, instead of "standing at her head"?
#77. To: wadosy, angle (#74)
#78. To: Turtle (#76)
#79. To: christineall (#77)
#80. To: wadosy (#74)
(Edited)
the point being, it's way too soon for a hatefest... you should wait until the dust settles a little bit before you start frothing.
#81. To: wadosy (#78)
#82. To: wadosy (#78)
that's why you should wait before you start spewing hatred all over this motherfucking forum.
#83. To: christine, all (#77)
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
(Edited)
You might want to temper your vulgar language.
#85. To: wadosy (#84)
#86. To: christine (#77)
we may or may not ever know what really happened in this case
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#87. To: wadosy (#84)
you might want to use your brain and stifle your knee-jerk tendency to demonstrate your hatred.
#88. To: Cynicom (#85)
(Edited)
I dont mind your hatred, I do dislike your vulgar language. Do try a few more manners.
#89. To: Turtle (#87)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#90. To: wadosy (#88)
#91. To: bluegrass (#89)
I wouldn't call McCain's followers conservative.
#92. To: wadosy (#88)
in the meantime, you and your redneck cohorts
#93. To: bluegrass (#89)
#94. To: Cynicom (#90)
(Edited)
societal graces
#95. To: wadosy (#94)
as defined by the redneck cabal.
#96. To: Turtle (#91)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#97. To: wadosy (#88)
you and your redneck cohorts have demonstrated,
#98. To: wadosy (#94)
#99. To: christine (#77)
not have been criticized and maligned, as if i had some ulterior motive, for simply posting a headline.
#100. To: wadosy (#94)
wont be accepted into your "society" until i start ...spewing race hate at the slightest opportunity.
#101. To: angle, christine (#99)
Drudge? Really. It's like posting O'Really and calling it fair and balanced.
#102. To: Dakmar (#101)
The difference being that Christine hasn't cut your microphone.
#103. To: Cynicom (#98)
However, your vulgar language is too much and it is ungentlemanly to use such around polite people. At home with your family, feel free to vent your vulgar spleen, just not here.
#104. To: bluegrass (#96)
#105. To: angle, bluegrass, christine (#99)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#106. To: Cynicom (#98)
#107. To: christine (#67)
#108. To: Turtle, all (#103)
As King, I shall order him to beat his forehead against the wall until some sense seeps in. Couple hours should do it.
#109. To: angle (#107)
Did it trigger a race fest here on 4UM?
#110. To: Dakmar, christine (#101)
#111. To: Jethro Tull (#109)
Define race fest.
#112. To: wadosy (#106)
...apparently not realizing that you're alienating more people than you're winning over...
#113. To: Cynicom (#108)
(Edited)
the language he uses is....black language...not white in origin.
#114. To: wadosy, all (#113)
i learn something every day.
#115. To: Cynicom (#108)
Some grown people with their vulgar language remind me of the first grader that just learned a new word at school and wants to try it out.
#116. To: Dakmar (#112)
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
#117. To: Jethro Tull (#109)
Define race fest.
#118. To: wadosy (#116)
so you're saying this site is geared towards racists.
#119. To: Turtle (#117)
What has six legs and goes, "Ho-de-doe, hoe-de-doe."
#120. To: Dakmar (#118)
#121. To: angle (#111)
#122. To: wadosy (#120)
i'm saying that many of you people use the flimsiest pretext to vent your hatred.
#123. To: Dakmar (#119)
(Edited)
#124. To: wadosy (#120)
i'm saying that many of you people use the flimsiest pretext to vent your hatred.
#125. To: wadosy (#123)
and i dont think i have to say anything else
#126. To: Jethro Tull, all (#122)
#127. To: Cynicom (#126)
Self hating type people.
#128. To: Jethro Tull (#122)
Why are you here then?
#129. To: Cynicom (#126)
(Edited)
#130. To: wadosy (#127)
#131. To: Dakmar (#129)
What's sad about these people is that they think they are doing something noble.
#132. To: Cynicom (#126)
#133. To: wadosy (#94)
sorry, old fellow, you're just gonna have to put up with my lack of "societal graces", as defined by the redneck cabal.
#134. To: Dakmar (#129)
#135. To: Original_Intent (#133)
there are blacks who are just as irrational and racist as any klansman.
#136. To: wadosy (#131)
blowing holes in your muddled thinking..
#137. To: wadosy (#134)
would you like to explain the logic behind the old man's contention that, since i dont hate blacks, i hate myself?
#138. To: Dakmar (#136)
#139. To: wadosy (#135)
hate is hate, and no matter what color the hater is, it's destuctive.
#140. To: Dakmar (#137)
(Edited)
#141. To: wadosy (#138)
you're frustrated by the success of a person that you hate because of the color of his skin.
#142. To: wadosy (#138)
you're frustrated by the success of a person that you hate because of the color of his skin.
#143. To: wadosy (#140)
(Edited)
in other words, you cant explain the old man's logic.
#144. To: Dakmar (#141)
Bashing ATM customers on the head is a sign of success? Maybe you should examine your own logic.
#145. To: Dakmar (#143)
Ilearned long ago not to get into arguments about what was in other peoples heads.
#146. To: wadosy (#144)
that's why you're defending the racist patriarch of 4um.
#147. To: Dakmar (#146)
#148. To: Jethro Tull, wadosy, bluegrass, lodwick, noone222, TwentyTwelve (#142)
#149. To: wadosy (#145)
or would you rather we let this doofus logic prevail on this forum?
#150. To: wadosy (#147)
you cant answer the question, so you gots to call me names.
#151. To: Dakmar (#149)
#152. To: wadosy (#151)
#153. To: Lady X (#148)
#154. To: Dakmar (#152)
Why are you arguing with me about what Cynicom posted?
#155. To: Dakmar (#150)
(Edited)
Why are you arguing with me about what Cynicom posted?
#156. To: wadosy (#155)
i dont really see what other conclusion readers can come to.
#157. To: wadosy (#155)
so i guess readers will be excused for assuming you think hatred based on race is okay.
#158. To: Jethro Tull (#156)
(Edited)
I think a reasonable conclusion people can reach is that white guilt is a mental disease and you show all the manifestations of the disorder.
#159. To: Dakmar (#157)
#160. To: wadosy (#158)
since i have not joined the redneck cabal in bashing blacks on the slightest pretext,
#161. To: Dakmar (#160)
(Edited)
Is everyone who dislikes thugs that bash ATM customers on the head a redneck, in your estimation?
#162. To: wadosy (#158)
#163. To: wadosy (#159)
why are you so reluctant to point out the illogic of cynicom's position, that position being: since i dont hate blacks, i hate myself?
#164. To: Dakmar (#163)
#165. To: Lady X (#148)
Does it occur to anyone here that we are being distracted from something..
#166. To: wadosy (#164)
any of you people
#167. To: Jethro Tull, wadosy (#162)
Interesting how you ignore the negro criminal but attack the whites who come to the victim's defense. This, my aged old fool, qualifies you for the white guilter of the day award. Report to the nest for delivery.
#168. To: Original_Intent (#167)
#169. To: wadosy (#116)
so you're saying this site is geared towards racists
#170. To: Jethro Tull (#168)
#171. To: Dakmar (#166)
You people?
#172. To: christine, Dakmar (#169)
(1) do not make a specific threat against an identifiable person or target
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#173. To: wadosy (#171)
at the very least, you dont mind being taken for racists by any casual passerby that reads your threads
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#174. To: X-15 (#173)
#175. To: wadosy (#171)
at the very least, you dont mind being taken for racists by any casual passerby that reads your threads and watches you kowtowing to this crap
#176. To: Dakmar (#175)
#177. To: Dakmar (#175)
(Edited)
I get called racist for opposing affirmative action, welfare, crack babies, drive-by shootings, pimps, and purple polyester. Why should any of these things be sacred to either of us?
#178. To: Cynicom (#41)
If they do it will be the fault of the young lady that somehow attacked the innocent young man.
Lord Acton
#179. To: wadosy (#177)
(Edited)
#180. To: Dakmar (#179)
#181. To: wadosy (#68)
#182. To: Original_Intent (#71)
"It is a terrible thing to waste one's mind." ~ Dan Quayle (When he fractured the United Negro College Fund's motto: "A Mind is a terrible thing to waste."
Lord Acton
#183. To: wadosy (#180)
why are you unable to acknowledge the illogic of cynicom's argument?
#184. To: tom007 (#181)
I really wouldn't put anything past the Bush Syndicate.
#185. To: Dakmar (#183)
Why are you unable to understand that I refuse to be a spokesman for everyone who you disagree with? Not my problem, man. It's getting old.
#186. To: wadosy (#180)
...the illogic of cynicom's argument?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#187. To: James Deffenbach (#182)
I heard a football player one time who said, "A mind is a terrible thang." And that is not a typo, that is how he said it
#188. To: X-15 (#186)
(Edited)
Who are you to call Cynicom illogical?
#189. To: wadosy (#185)
so you come up with all these lame attempts to avoid pointing out the logical inconsistencies of cynicom's argument.
#190. To: James Deffenbach (#182)
"It is a terrible thing to waste one's mind." ~ Dan Quayle (When he fractured the United Negro College Fund's motto: "A Mind is a terrible thing to waste."
#191. To: Dakmar (#189)
#192. To: wadosy (#188)
#193. To: Dakmar (#189)
#194. To: Jethro Tull (#192)
Is this what we can expect from the aging process; to repeatedly ask people what other people mean?
#195. To: wadosy (#191)
what i'm trying to pry out of you is acknowledgement that his argument is illogical, and based on his racism.
#196. To: wadosy (#193)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#197. To: Dakmar (#112)
It's my understanding that very few street thugs or stick-up artists base their political views on what's presented at this site,so I'll take my chances.
Lord Acton
#198. To: Dakmar (#195)
...societal norms due purely to the color of their skin.
#199. To: James Deffenbach (#197)
#200. To: wadosy (#198)
so societal norms for white people dictate that any white person who doesnt hates blacks hates himself.
#201. To: X-15 (#196)
Again: your allegation that Cynicom is illogical. I perceive him to be extremely consistent based upon his posts.
#202. To: Dakmar (#200)
In your case, yes, that sounds about right. But you knew that already.
#203. To: wadosy (#194)
as long as this guy is willing to tapdance instead of anwering the question, i guess i will ask that question for as long as pleases me.
#204. To: tom007 (#181)
#205. To: wadosy (#202)
any white person that doesnt hate blacks hates himself.
#206. To: Jethro Tull (#203)
has you right; you appear to be a self loathing white who fails to comment on the criminal, but rather the white victim.
#207. To: wadosy (#201)
...if you're a racist.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#208. To: Dakmar (#205)
(Edited)
any white person that doesnt hate blacks hates himself.
#209. To: wadosy (#206)
so illogical thought progressions are valid.
#210. To: christine (#204)
yes, it is possible that this could be a reverse Tawana Brawley or Duke lacrosse case.
#211. To: wadosy (#208)
i not only hate myself, i hate blacks.
#212. To: christine (#204)
this could be a reverse Tawana Brawley or Duke lacrosse case.
#213. To: christine (#204)
(Edited)
yes, it is possible that this could be a reverse Tawana Brawley or Duke lacrosse case.
#214. To: Dakmar (#210)
(Edited)
#215. To: tom007 (#212)
I posted this
#216. To: wadosy (#120)
i'm saying that many of you people use the flimsiest pretext to vent your hatred.
Fraud Repugnant Free Republic and you could help ol' Jim out with your donations and love offerings. Looks like a win/win situation for you and Jim.
Lord Acton
#217. To: wadosy (#214)
...which begs the question: should be hate any person who isnt white?
#218. To: James Deffenbach (#216)
Why would an enlightened, loving individual like yourself
#219. To: wadosy (#214)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#220. To: Dakmar (#217)
(Edited)
...which begs the question: should be hate any person who isnt white?
#221. To: wadosy (#191)
#222. To: robnoel, christine (#215)
#223. To: christine (#221)
(Edited)
have you ever heard of Defensive Racism?
#224. To: tom007 (#222)
#225. To: wadosy (#223)
i got a little into it, and decided that ...was it a birdman thing? ...that it had some points.
#226. To: wadosy (#223)
#227. To: Jethro Tull (#224)
#228. To: tom007 (#222)
Wouldn't a recent shiner like that cause a lot of swelling?
#229. To: wadosy (#214)
and what about all the people who dont seem to be exactly white, but might show tinges of ...er... color?
#230. To: Jethro Tull (#225)
#231. To: Dakmar (#229)
Still don't get it do you?
#232. To: wadosy (#220)
so you guys have failed at logic, you've failed at namecalling, you've failed at tapdancing, and now you figure you got me corned cause i did a typo
#233. To: christine (#226)
this wasn't birdman. click on the link. it's Edgar J. Steele.
#234. To: tom007 (#222)
#235. To: Dakmar, Wadosy, all (#229)
and what about all the people who dont seem to be exactly white, but might show tinges of ...er... color?
#236. To: Dakmar, jethro tull, christine, turtle (#229)
This from Obama/Biden. Odd they seem to now recognize the attack but their supporters do not.
#237. To: Dakmar (#232)
So you've got all of your enemies cornered now because I'm a smartass?
#238. To: wadosy (#231)
you are unable to explain how it automatically follows that i hate myself if i dont hate blacks.
#239. To: Cynicom (#236)
#240. To: Original_Intent (#235)
(Edited)
#241. To: wadosy (#237)
you failed at everything else, now you have to resort to nitpicking.
#242. To: Dakmar (#238)
Charlie Manson
#243. To: Dakmar (#187)
LOL, I remember when I was like 5 or 6 visiting my second cousins in NE Kentucky and my cousin cut her finger. I had to ask my Mom, "Mom, what's a fanger?"
Lord Acton
#244. To: Cynicom (#236)
" Meanwhile, late this afternoon, the Obama-Biden campaign released a statement, saying: "This is a horrendous act of violence. Our thoughts and prayers are with the young woman for her to make a speedy recovery, and we hope that the person who perpetrated this crime is swiftly apprehended and brought to justice."
#245. To: wadosy (#240)
would you like to explain the logic behind cyicom's assertion that white people who dont hate blacks hate themselves?
#246. To: wadosy (#242)
i really dont think charlie manson quotes explain the logic behind cynicom's assertion that white people who dont hate blacks hate themselves.
Just sees what he wants to see...
#247. To: Dakmar (#244)
#248. To: wadosy (#223)
#249. To: Dakmar (#244)
he seems sensible enough
#250. To: Original_Intent (#190)
How 'bout tar'bull?
Lord Acton
#251. To: Flintlock (#249)
you're not thinking about voting for monkey boy are you? Or are you.......
#252. To: wadosy, Dakmar, Cynicom (#208)
isnt that a logical contradiction of cynicom's argument, or am i a special case?
Lord Acton
#253. To: christine (#248)
(Edited)
The age of white guilt: and the disappearance of the black individual
#254. To: Dakmar (#251)
Not until that post. :)
#255. To: James Deffenbach (#250)
How 'bout tar'bull?
#256. To: wadosy (#253)
"white guilt"...
#257. To: Jethro Tull, all (#239)
The black one gives the kid more sympathy that the white guilters. Very telling, isn't it.
#258. To: Jethro Tull (#256)
(Edited)
#259. To: wadosy, Turtle, christine (#253)
The age of white guilt: and the disappearance of the black individual
#260. To: Original_Intent (#259)
Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here.
#261. To: wadosy (#260)
Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here.
#262. To: wadosy (#218)
who said i loved anyone?
Lord Acton
#263. To: James Deffenbach (#262)
#264. To: Original_Intent (#261)
lack of wherewithal
#265. To: James Deffenbach, all (#262)
#266. To: Original_Intent (#255)
Lord Acton
#267. To: Cynicom (#265)
#268. To: Original_Intent (#261)
One might as well argue with the fog.
Lord Acton
#269. To: Original_Intent (#255)
- Tennesseans tennnd tooo draw their words out jussssssst a bit.
#270. To: Cynicom (#265)
(Edited)
#271. To: Cynicom (#265)
James...
Lord Acton
#272. To: wadosy (#264)
so you dont care enough about your position to refute positions you attack.
#273. To: Cynicom (#265)
(Edited)
#274. To: duckhunter (#269)
- Tennesseans tennnd tooo draw their words out jussssssst a bit.
#275. To: Original_Intent (#272)
Not lack of wherewithal - lack of interest.
#276. To: All (#272)
#277. To: Jethro Tull, all (#276)
Has anyone seen the report on any MSM other than Fox??????????
#278. To: Original_Intent, wadosy (#272)
Oh, by the way, who do you work for? NSA? AIPAC? CIA? CENTCOM?
#279. To: Dakmar (#278)
I stand by my earlier guess that wadosy is a county social worker with a nobility complex.
#280. To: wadosy (#273)
when it comes time to implement a final solution to the race problem, will we be required to dust off that slogan from our heroic pioneer days, and paraphrase it?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#281. To: X-15 (#280)
"kill whitey."
#282. To: wadosy (#279)
too damn bad that a display of common human decency is derided as a "nobility complex", isnt it?
#283. To: wadosy (#279)
#284. To: Dakmar (#282)
whiner
#285. To: Jethro Tull (#276)
#286. To: Flintlock (#254)
I'm sorry to hear that, I always thought you were smarter.
#287. To: Original_Intent (#139)
However, I also believe in calling a spade "a spade", and the reality is that inner city black america is illiterate, self destructive, and seething with hatred and resentment. Not that they have no reason to be upset, but that it is never OK to hate.
#288. To: Dakmar (#278)
Oh, by the way, who do you work for? NSA? AIPAC? CIA? CENTCOM?
#289. To: X-15, wad (#280)
#290. To: Original_Intent (#285)
(Edited)
The "racism card" like it's partner the "anti-semitism card"
#291. To: wadosy (#281)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#292. To: wadosy (#284)
i thought you gave up on namecalling a couple pages ago.
#293. To: Dakmar (#292)
I will
#294. To: Original_Intent (#285)
#295. To: Dakmar (#292)
#296. To: Jethro Tull (#294)
a strategy that couldn't be successful w/o the help of...
#297. To: Cynicom (#277)
Has anyone seen the report on any MSM other than Fox??????????
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, October 23, 2008
#298. To: wadosy (#295)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#299. To: wadosy (#296)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#300. To: X-15 (#298)
#301. To: Dakmar (#297)
#302. To: Dakmar (#297)
#303. To: scrapper2 (#287)
However, I also believe in calling a spade "a spade", and the reality is that inner city black america is illiterate, self destructive, and seething with hatred and resentment. Not that they have no reason to be upset, but that it is never OK to hate.
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#304. To: Cynicom (#302)
(Edited)
Rather odd that for real or a hoax or whatever, both candidates seem to be well aware of it but MSM refuses to headline or banner it.
#305. To: Jethro Tull (#294)
I can't find the references now, but the American left has been using blacks as a vanguard to destroy this country for years. What we are seeing today is the culmination of their strategy, a strategy that couldn't be successful w/o the help of a new wing of the American left - the neoliberal.
#306. To: Original_Intent (#305)
(Edited)
#307. To: Original_Intent (#305)
#308. To: christine, dakmar (#169)
#309. To: angle (#308)
#310. To: wadosy (#306)
want to explain how dumbing everyone down makes them more susceptible to, for instance, tales of afghan cavemen knocking down skyscrapers in new york city?
#311. To: Jethro Tull (#309)
#312. To: bluegrass, christine (#105)
It's her board. If she wants to post old National Geographic articles all day, it's her biz. We're here by her efforts and on her dime.
#313. To: Original_Intent (#310)
(Edited)
The short answer is that people with low levels of literacy also have low levels of knowledge
#314. To: angle (#308)
#315. To: angle (#308)
#316. To: angle (#311)
Because as a police officer I witnessed the people you hold close behave like animals. I'm guessing you have never been in a slum and seen their handiwork.
The Color of Crime
Major Findings:
Crime Rates
Interracial Crime
Gangs
Incarceration
#317. To: christine (#315)
the majority of contributors to this discussion are of lesser intelligence or consciousness.
#318. To: christine (#315)
whatever. your opinion. well, i've got one too. i think you're pretty arrogant with your assertion that the majority of contributors to this discussion are of lesser intelligence or consciousness
#319. To: Jethro Tull (#316)
#320. To: Dakmar (#286)
I should have tried to borrow money from you.
#321. To: Jethro Tull (#316)
#322. To: robnoel, christine (#234)
'll be blunt here....the BS meter is bouncing red ....sort of like Jews who paint swastika on synagogues
#323. To: Cynicom (#319)
#324. To: Cynicom (#319)
statistics...
#325. To: christine, all (#315)
i think you're pretty arrogant with your assertion that the majority of contributors to this discussion are of lesser intelligence or consciousness.
#326. To: angle (#308)
I think comes from a lesser intelligence or consciousness.
#327. To: Jethro Tull (#323)
#328. To: angle (#321)
#329. To: Jethro Tull (#323)
(Edited)
WG'ers normally disregard stats that don't conform to their racial view
#330. To: angle (#312)
#331. To: Cynicom (#325)
jump the harness
#332. To: angle, christine, dakmar (#308)
Your free speech seems to lend itself to crying about being called on posting this sensationalistic garbage and then ignoring the fact that the racists are crawling out of the woodwork. Free speech...ok, but posts like this promote racism.
#333. To: christine (#330)
(Edited)
totally color or culture blind.
#334. To: Cynicom, christine (#319)
(Edited)
#335. To: christine (#331)
#336. To: wadosy (#329)
(Edited)
institutionalized racism?
#337. To: wadosy (#313)
you might throw in there, also, the work of the advertising agencies.
we have to assume that commericals have two aims: first, disable the centers of critical thought and logic, and second, drive straight into the part of the brain where our basic instincts lie.
#338. To: Jethro Tull (#328)
The stats speak for themselves.
#339. To: Jethro Tull (#336)
The saggy pant young mutts who mug white girls in American cities can't make that claim.
#340. To: Original_Intent (#337)
Edward Bernays
#341. To: wadosy, christine (#333)
(Edited)
aha!
i was about to waterboard myself.
#342. To: christine (#315)
that the majority of contributors to this discussion are of lesser intelligence or consciousness.
#343. To: angle (#338)
#344. To: Original_Intent (#341)
the golden rule
#345. To: wadosy (#339)
#346. To: Jethro Tull (#345)
Swell, have a good evening, Rain Man.
#347. To: wadosy, Cynicom (#340)
Edward Bernays
now then, do you want to admit that a huge majority of the american population, white, black, or whatever, have been subjected to enough television to render them incapable of logical thought?
are you willing to admit that those people will be more susceptible to crackpot white racist theories that say "any white person that does not hate blacks hates themselves"?
#348. To: Jethro Tull (#343)
Stats are stats.
#349. To: Original_Intent (#347)
I don't believe that was Cyni's point.
#350. To: angle (#348)
#351. To: Jethro Tull (#350)
So basically the kids story doesn't fit your racial template, so you blow it off.
#352. To: wadosy (#344)
the golden rule
our heroic white culture has been so good at demonstrating their belief in the golden rule, especially in places like vietnam, afghanistan and iraq.
#353. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine (#321)
Are these results a function of color or class?
#354. To: Original_Intent (#352)
(Edited)
You falsely associate the actions of an out of control criminal government with the culture.
#355. To: wadosy (#346)
Swell, have a good evening, Rain Man.
#356. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353)
(Edited)
Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites who have elevated (with our tax dollars) American blacks to the healthiest, best educated and wealthiest in the world?
#357. To: Original_Intent (#355)
It was the "Queen of Hearts" and it was "EIGHT impossible things" before breakfast.
#358. To: HOUNDDAWG, Angle (#353)
#359. To: wadosy (#354)
would you like to explain the popularity of video games based on killing things wholesale?
#360. To: Original_Intent (#359)
They were seeded into the culture. Most of the "kill, kill, kill" games were originally developed by the military because it is unnatural for most people to kill another human.
#361. To: HOUNDDAWG (#353)
"Defensive racism" is defined as "the desire to secure a future for our children" and in our own country the mere utterance of that phrase is some kind of "crime" to those who absolutely demand that whites be held down and carefully watched.
#362. To: christine (#361)
(Edited)
we ain't cringing at the charge of "racist" anymore.
#363. To: christine (#361)
#364. To: robnoel (#234)
(Edited)
...the BS meter is bouncing red ....sort of like Jews who paint swastika on synagogues
#365. To: christine (#361)
#366. To: wadosy, christine (#360)
so you're agreeing that american culture is violent.
#367. To: christine (#361)
that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.
#368. To: Original_Intent (#366)
You falsely associate the actions of an out of control criminal government with the culture. The two are not an identity - something which you likely know and hence your argument is knowingly false.
#369. To: wadosy (#365)
#370. To: wadosy (#365)
seeing as how we're gonna have to exterminate colored people to make room for whites
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#371. To: christine (#361)
(Edited)
that is a heck of a display of lesser intelligence and consciousness, dawg! well done.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#372. To: christine (#369)
(Edited)
who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?
#373. To: tom007, HOUNDDAWG (#367)
#374. To: wadosy (#372)
all of this has to happen pretty soon, i'd say within a couple generations, maybe much sooner, or I'll be retired from the FBI.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#375. To: angle, Jethro Tull (#348)
There's your problem. Statistics do say something and the educated attempt to interpret their correct meaning. Hence my question. If you don't know the answer, it's okay.
#376. To: X-15 (#374)
#377. To: wadosy (#376)
looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.
#378. To: scrapper2 (#377)
(Edited)
What an ignorant mean-spirited hateful comment to make.
#379. To: wadosy (#376)
looks to me like a lot of you cowboys just cant wait for the race wars to start in america.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#380. To: scrapper2 (#377)
#381. To: wadosy (#380)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#382. To: X-15 (#381)
(Edited)
I'm giving you job security....
#383. To: wadosy (#378)
is the dominant attitude about race in this forum gonna help damp down tendencies towards race wars, or encourage those tendencies?
#384. To: scrapper2 (#383)
(Edited)
#385. To: wadosy (#372)
the atmosphere you seem to encourage in this forum
#386. To: Dakmar, wadosy (#193)
now all we have to do is figure out why you are unable to acknowledge the illogic
#387. To: christine (#385)
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#388. To: wadosy (#384)
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#389. To: christine (#385)
the atmosphere i encourage in this forum is freedom of expression. if you can't handle it and you are advocating censorship, then Freedom4um is not the forum for you.
#390. To: Critter (#388)
I'm an equal opportunity hater. I can hate you if you're white, black, brown, red, yellow, if you wear a beanie, or a cross, or a towel around your head.. makes no difference to me...
#391. To: wadosy, Original_Intent, Cynicom, christine (#384)
for instance, would you like to explain the logic behind cynicom's contention that anyone who doesnt hate blacks hates himself?
#392. To: scrapper2 (#391)
(Edited)
#393. To: wadosy (#392)
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.
#394. To: scrapper2 (#391)
#395. To: wadosy (#389)
#396. To: Original_Intent, scrapper2 (#394)
Oh, I'm sure he noticed it. However, in true disinformationist form he/she/it ignored it because to do so did away with the wedge/disruption question it is using to browbeat the thread with and attempt to create a false sense of racism well in excess of what actually exists.
#397. To: wadosy (#392)
sorry.
#398. To: scrapper2 (#397)
#399. To: Christine, wadosy, All Obama pole crackers (#369)
what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about shooting blacks or exterminating blacks?
#400. To: christine, hounddawg (#361)
Why do you seem to prefer browbeating the hard working whites
#401. To: Original_Intent (#391)
Original_Intent: I don't believe that was Cyni's point. While I am loathe to tell other people what they think - as I interpreted Cyni's point it was more a matter of some White people who feel guilty for being white, and presumably more priveledged, and thus make excuses for minorities who violate civilized standards of behavior excusing under whatever rationale - often to the point of denigrating or rejecting their own group, excusing the behavior regardless of the crime, and thus the term "White Guilters".
#402. To: angle (#401)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm
#403. To: Critter (#387)
You folks still arguing about negros and hebrews here? lmao!
Lord Acton
#404. To: Jethro Tull (#402)
#405. To: angle (#404)
#406. To: christine (#405)
#407. To: angle (#404)
#408. To: angle, Cynicom (#401)
Sorry to let you in on the well known fact that cyni accuses everyone who is not against blacks as being a white guilter.
Lord Acton
#409. To: christine (#395)
i've had enough of you. bye.
#410. To: Jethro Tull (#407)
would you agree that a white who finds themselves in a ghetto is in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
#411. To: angle (#410)
#412. To: All (#404)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#413. To: Jethro Tull (#411)
do you also agree that the MSM failure to mention the matter, despite Obama's campaign expressing sympathy, is censorship by omission?
#414. To: christine (#405)
Defensive racism is contrasted with "offensive racism," which is practiced due to feelings of hatred or superiority towards other races.
#415. To: Original_Intent (#274)
informally of course. :-)
#416. To: angle (#410)
Yes. Do you agree that a black is also in a more dangerous place than if they were in a typical white area?
#417. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#416)
#418. To: angle, christine, dakmar, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, Wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, All (#412)
"In western New York state nearly 40% of the black, Hispanic and mixed-race households earned less than $15,000 compared with 15% of white households. The life expectancy of African-Americans in the US is about the same as that of people living in China and some states of India, despite the fact that the US is far richer than the other two countries." says a new United Nations report on the urban environment.
#419. To: Original_Intent (#418)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#420. To: angle, Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#414)
Don't you think that what is being posted on this thread is offensive racism?
#421. To: Original_Intent (#418)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#422. To: Original_Intent (#418)
#423. To: duckhunter (#419)
When you adjust the crime statistics for education level things begin to even out a bit. It is no secret that blacks on average have a lower education level than most whites, and that Asians have a higher education level that most whites. When you look at the crime numbers normed for education level the violent crime rates more closely correlate with education level. Most violent offenders and property crimes are committed by people with less than a High School education and frequently much less.
#424. To: Cynicom, wadosy (#90)
We do not have bozo...
#425. To: christine (#420)
i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white.
#426. To: duckhunter (#425)
When entire generations of people have never lived any other way than through welfare and government largess the motivation to improve ones self and work hard will eventually be extinguished. It seems unreasonable to expect someone who has been taught those values to have the same standards as someone who has worked for what they have.
If a redwood's really red
#427. To: Original_Intent (#423)
My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
#428. To: christine (#422)
i enjoyed the story about your father too. 36 IQ?
#429. To: Original_Intent (#423)
Culture is certainly another
If a redwood's really red
#430. To: Tauzero (#426)
That successive generations are involved supports the case that the policies have been dysgenic.
#431. To: duckhunter (#421)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#432. To: duckhunter (#425)
#433. To: Tauzero (#429)
Culture is certainly another
#434. To: christine, wadosy (#221)
have you ever heard of Defensive Racism?
#435. To: Original_Intent, Tauzero (#433)
Culture is certainly another
#436. To: duckhunter (#425)
When entire generations of people have never lived any other way than through welfare and government largess the motivation to improve ones self and work hard will eventually be extinguished. The old axiom "whatever the government wants more of, they subsidize" applies to poverty just like anything else. There are entire generations of people in this country who have been taught by their parents how to live off of welfare. It seems unreasonable to expect someone who has been taught those values to have the same standards as someone who has worked for what they have.
"Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne - in "The Sands of Iwo Jima" (had an Uncle there).
#437. To: duckhunter, christine (#435)
I know I sound like a broken record but think about this; The amount of welfare a person receives is based in some part on how many dependents they have, which creates a perverse motivation to procreate while simultaneously insulating the person from the costs of procreating. As a result, many people with no motivation or work ethic have had many more children than they would otherwise have had while also driving up the price of children for those responsible enough to understand and bear the cost. While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring. So after years of government welfare, I can understand why successive generation may become dumbed down.
#438. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#418)
There is a simple solution to most violent crime. Reclaim the skools and install curriculums that actually result in literacy and some higher level of education. Literacy, not color, is a much better predictor of the propensity for crime.
#439. To: duckhunter, Original_Intent (#427)
(Edited)
OI: My argument is largely that the sources of the violent crime problem among all groups is not as much a factor of how dark one's suntan is, and the presumption that there is some inherent defect, but that data can be more rationally explored and examined for causes and factors which have little to do with melanin - which is nothing more than a biological adaptation for climate.
#440. To: Original_Intent (#433)
The answer is that there is none, zero, nada, zilch, squat, etc.,
If a redwood's really red
#441. To: duckhunter (#435)
While I don't believe that people are soul-less, I do believe that the species follows the rules of genetics like everything else with DNA and if you breed for certain characteristics, the traits become evident in the offspring.
If a redwood's really red
#442. To: rowdee (#438)
Before the Great Society and its damnable welfare crap came along, I don't believe you will find the criminal rates near the out of whack rates they are nowadays.
#443. To: scrapper2, all (#439)
I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make.
#444. To: scrapper2 (#439)
However I would disagree with both of you when you blame government for the behavior and culture of black people. Look at black culture in African nations under self-rule, where presumably they have been allowed to develop "naturally." Africa as a continent would die off in short order either from tribal machete wars or from AIDS if outside intervention did not stop the "natural" melt down.
And OI why do blacks need special "skools" to help them out of their morass? Poor whites have bad schools and they get on with their lives just fine for the most part. Giving blacks special super duper education is just more gov't social engineering that's bound to fail at the taxpayers' expense.
I'm sorry but it's individuals who have ultimate responsibility and accountability for their situation based on choices they make. Blacks' high crime rates are because individual blacks are choosing to become involved in crime, and that's because their culture is one where crime and violence is accepted.
#445. To: Jethro Tull, all (#443)
#446. To: scrapper2 (#442)
Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen.
#447. To: rowdee (#446)
And, of course, its been reported that in NYC, the teachers in some schools sit inside cages to teach so as to avoid getting the crap beat out of them.
#448. To: rowdee, all (#438)
#449. To: Original_Intent (#437)
Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence.
#450. To: Cynicom (#445)
"Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
#451. To: Tauzero (#440)
I notice that you didn't challenge me on the "culture" argument, and we both know why that is. Just as all the market is is a set of options, all "culture" is is a set of behavioral phenotypes.
#452. To: Tauzero (#441)
Genes and environment of course interact.
#453. To: Jethro Tull (#450)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#454. To: Original_Intent (#437)
It is all rational in a perverse way.
#455. To: all (#445)
Yesterday it was in fine print and buried.
#456. To: Original_Intent (#451)
(Edited)
We can observe this in that those of different races raised in different cultures conform to the culture they were raised in.
If a redwood's really red
#457. To: All (#455)
#458. To: duckhunter (#449)
Genetics has become one of those secular religions that "everybody knows" but for which there is little scientific proof. It is stated and asserted to the point people assume it to be true without evidence.
Therefore, all of the parts of O have the property P.
(Where the property P is one which does not distribute from a whole to its parts.)
Example:
The universe is made out of molecules.
Therefore, each of the molecules in the universe has existed for fifteen billion years."
John is a Drunk
Therefore all Redheads are drunks.
William is a Drug Addict.
Therefore all Blacks are Drug Addicts. Is "man" merely a material biologic entity?
Is "man" a duality of Spirit residing in a body?
#459. To: Original_Intent (#451)
One of my favorite object lessons in this was in a Chow Line at the Base I was stationed at. In front of me by about 3 or 4 people was a nice young black girl who spoke perfect unaccented english who was chiding, but gently, correcting her boyfriend's ebonics and trying to teach him correct english. Whether she realized it or not, and I suspect she did, language matters and people judge you based on your speech and vocabulary. Speech patterns are of course an educational matter and are part of culture. Likely she came from an intact family with educated parents - and had you not been able see her but only hear her you would not known that she was black.
#460. To: Original_Intent (#458)
Is "man" merely a material biologic entity?
#461. To: Ferret Mike, angle. all (#453)
#462. To: Jethro Tull (#461)
a heaping pile
#463. To: angle (#457)
#464. To: angle (#462)
#465. To: Jethro Tull (#464)
#466. To: Pinguinite (#463)
Maybe I was right about her doing it in a mirror.
#467. To: angle (#462)
UPDATE:
#468. To: angle (#465)
I guess.
#469. To: Original_Intent (#458)
#470. To: duckhunter (#459)
Your view on genetics just doesn't square with the intelligence I've seen you approach other subjects. Do you not believe that characteristics can be passed from one generation to the next? Dumb people don't give birth to MENSA members as a general rule.
#471. To: Jethro Tull (#461)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#472. To: Original_Intent (#470)
The son of an imbecile scores in the upper 1/10th of the upper 1%.
#473. To: angle (#466)
(Edited)
Sad and so revealing the rhetoric about it all.
#474. To: Ferret Mike (#471)
#475. To: Original_Intent (#470)
My point is - as outlined above that it is not simply a matter of genetics
#476. To: Original_Intent (#470)
My mother believed strongly in education and I was taught to read before I started school and therefore was fast out of the blocks
#477. To: Jethro Tull (#468)
translation?
#478. To: Jethro Tull (#474)
#479. To: Original_Intent, rowdee (#444)
a. if you look at tribal cultures anywhere, regardless of color, you will see the same tribal, irrational, reactions...Aids, by all appearances was a laboratory created disease - a biologic weapon and it is much more contagious among those of African descent than among those of other genetic lines. That the primitive culture has been used to spread the disease is another matter.
#480. To: Jethro Tull (#448)
#481. To: rowdee (#480)
#482. To: noone222 (#481)
#483. To: Flintlock (#467)
You don't think there was pressure on the cops to get her to change her story?
#484. To: rowdee (#480)
I don't have a college degree, but I have a love of reading
that I passed on to both my daughters. I have pictures of reading to them when
they were just a few months old. They were trying to read the newspaper by the
time they were two--because they saw all of us doing it. And always on their
wish lists were books, books, books.
#485. To: wadosy (#356)
.
#486. To: rowdee (#482)
When you were in school, did your high school have woodshop classes, or auto mechanic classes?
#487. To: Original_Intent (#259)
You are such a delightful mix of disinformation and misconceptions that it is a pleasure to read your posts. Not many people in the possession of so many ill informed and paradoxical positions has the guts to post here.
#488. To: angle, Jethro Tull, christine, Ferret Mike (#400)
(Edited)
I take issue with the anti black rhetoric on this thread liking blacks to monkeys and referring to blacks as niggers and now I'm against whites? In your small mind perhaps.
#489. To: angle, HOUNDDAWG (#488)
#490. To: christine, angle, Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#420)
some, yes, but my perception is that most is defensive racism and the expressed outrage of the double standard. further, i don't see where Cyni or JT have ever written that they hate blacks or any other race as you keep accusing. Cyni has admitted that he is a racist because he PREFERS his own race and, JT, because of his experiences in Brooklyn, as a youth and as a NYC policeman has valid reasons for his preference.
#491. To: HOUNDDAWG (#490)
Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment?
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#492. To: X-15, christine (#491)
Why does he insist on hiding under a bridge and lobbing stones from a place of concealment?
But, I won't rail about it, either. If I did folks would almost certainly sense the Freudian clues I'm dropping all over the place and they'd know if I was campaigning the way angle obviously is.
#493. To: christine (#395)
you know what? i've had enough of you. bye.
Body Art Cobleskill, NY
#494. To: Critter (#493)
#495. To: christine (#494)
(Edited)
yes, i did. ;)
#496. To: christine (#395)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#497. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine, Turtle (#495)
Who's next?
#498. To: HOUNDDAWG, angle (#492)
I believe he has his reasons and that he doesn't dare share them with everyone.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#499. To: Ferret Mike (#496)
Racism is debunked and as worthless as any other criminal behavior
#500. To: Cynicom (#497)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#501. To: Jethro Tull (#499)
"Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#502. To: Ferret Mike (#501)
I am 100 percent convinced it is.
#503. To: X-15, angle, christine (#498)
I believe he has his reasons and that he doesn't dare share them with everyone.
#504. To: Ferret Mike, Christine, all (#496)
And in telling you you are being hypocritical here?
#505. To: Ferret Mike (#496)
#506. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#501)
Jethro Tull: "Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?"
#507. To: Jethro Tull (#502)
(Edited)
#508. To: OliviaFNewton (#507)
They can not be taught, becuase they refuse to be taught. And those that make excuses for their victimhood are advocates for their continued ignorance
#509. To: Jethro Tull (#508)
Well said, Olivia. Welcome to the struggle.
#510. To: Ferret Mike (#496)
(Edited)
What was the matter? was he getting uncomfortably close to the truth?
#511. To: OliviaFNewton (#509)
#512. To: Ferret Mike (#501)
To: Jethro Tull
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#513. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#501)
"Racism is criminal behaviour, bunky?"
#514. To: Cynicom, ALL (#504)
Free speech does not allow you or anyone else to abuse others, even with free speech of language.
#515. To: HOUNDDAWG, Mike Ferret (#513)
#516. To: Jethro Tull (#511)
Yes, it's time to fish and there's no room for the seaSICK.
#517. To: scrapper2 (#506)
"So, Mike, are you saying you are in favor of criminalizing "thought" crimes?"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#518. To: Jethro Tull (#515)
Last week Mike began his Obama victory lap. I knew he'd build up to to this; calling racism a crime. Shades of things to come from the Os.
#519. To: OliviaFNewton (#507)
#520. To: Jethro Tull (#515)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#521. To: HOUNDDAWG (#518)
#522. To: Ferret Mike (#520)
I have no rose colored sunglasses on. He will be POTUS, but like anyone else, whether I like him as a man or not, he has to earn his keep and show he can do the job.
#523. To: HOUNDDAWG (#518)
"Actually, there are rumblings from the election watchers and the old boy network may be setting up to steal this one too."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#524. To: christine (#519)
hi Olivia, welcome!
#525. To: OliviaFNewton (#524)
#526. To: Ferret Mike (#517)
scrapper: "So, Mike, are you saying you are in favor of criminalizing "thought" crimes?"
#527. To: Ferret Mike (#517)
What I consider criminal is the manifestation of action done to express or promote racism.
#528. To: Ferret Mike (#520)
I support Barack Obama because he is going to be easier to badger around to promote the things people like me promote.
#529. To: Cynicom (#525)
#530. To: Jethro Tull (#527)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#531. To: Ferret Mike (#530)
Actually this is very clear, you left wing speech Nazi.
#532. To: OliviaFNewton (#528)
"Will there be any confidence in a complete mercenary government and military? And with what you know and pretend you don't, who will your President serve?
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#533. To: Jethro Tull, All (#450)
"Cops Eye 'Inconsistencies' In 'Campaign Attack"
#534. To: OliviaFNewton (#529)
Okay then, perhaps you might look at 528.
#535. To: Jethro Tull (#531)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#536. To: scrapper2 (#526)
A rather dodgey answer, if I may say so. You say on the one hand that racists [ or people whose opinions that don't jive with yours] have "a right" to free speech but on the other hand they are "accountable" for their words????
#537. To: scrapper2 (#526)
"A rather dodgey answer, if I may say so. You say on the one hand that racists [ or people whose opinions that don't jive with yours] have "a right" to free speech but on the other hand they are "accountable" for their words????"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#538. To: Hypocrisy Cop (#533)
#539. To: Ferret Mike, X-15 (#530)
However, if they verbally harass someone and use their racism to steal someone's sense of well being and worth, and to denigrate their social standing, that person should be charged with a serious crime.
#540. To: Cynicom (#534)
I give good grades to posters that are brief, to the point and do not travel off into excess verbiage.
#541. To: Ferret Mike, X-15 (#535)
calling say several young girls racial epithets
#542. To: christine (#539)
tell me, who would make the determination that someone's sense of well being and worth is stolen by someone else's words?
#543. To: OliviaFNewton (#542)
How about when you think of turning right before the light is green?
#544. To: Ferret Mike (#537)
That is how free speech as it is spelled out in the First Amendment works. No laws can be made to abridge it, but suffering the consequences of one's speech is the best regulator of what is said in existence.
#545. To: RickyJ (#543)
I just do it. I don't really think about it much since it is not a crime in my state.
#546. To: Ferret Mike (#530)
(Edited)
However, if they verbally harass someone and use their racism to steal someone's sense of well being and worth, and to denigrate their social standing, that person should be charged with a serious crime.
#547. To: scrapper2 (#544)
(Edited)
#548. To: christine (#0)
#549. To: Ferret Mike (#535)
Writing 'The Bell Curve' was not criminal behavior, calling say several young girls racial epithets and or beating up a man because someone does not like African Americans is overt damages done unto others that have standing as crime, as well it should.
#550. To: rack42 (#548)
Should a vote be held, I'd say that this thread has devolved into the stupidest thread ever on this forum.
#551. To: OliviaFNewton (#521)
There are also rumblings about his manchurian status as a boy broken by sexual abuse, that his father is Frank Marshall, that his reasons for being in Hawaii isn't just to tend to his dear grandmother, that he was forced to appear regarding his birth certificate, that all of this is coming out in the week ahead, and that none of that will change the selection.
#552. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Jethro Tull (#523)
(Edited)
You are correct, and I wonder if they won't try to claim the Bradley Effect is what made the thing go south if it does. At DU there have been threads about machine malfunctions in several places.
#553. To: scrapper2 (#549)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#554. To: christine (#0)
'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE... DEVELOPING...
#555. To: Cynicom (#5)
It happened and Palin is in Pittsburgh tonite.
#556. To: HOUNDDAWG (#552)
It's a sad truth that the story that would have the most sticking power is the one that implies that whites are closet racists who lie to pollsters. The media can't bring themselves to admit that Prop 15, which they backed tooth and nail and jammed down our throats for weeks before the election cost Bradley the race.
#557. To: Flintlock (#12)
(Edited)
This whole thing is starting to get out of hand. We've had shootings, beatings and now this, All From The Obama Camp
#558. To: lodwick (#16)
load and lock, bump
#559. To: Flintlock (#20)
Did you ever think that maybe the woman didn't want to go to the Emergency Room of a public hospital where she would most likely have to deal with more black people?
#560. To: Cynicom (#22)
Must be the Pittsburgh Police faked the whole thing and duped the TV station, that must be it.
#561. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
Another crazed Irishman. Arm up boys and girls.
#562. To: Ferret Mike, scrapper2, christine (#537)
"A rather dodgey answer, if I may say so. You say on the one hand that racists [ or people whose opinions that don't jive with yours] have "a right" to free speech but on the other hand they are "accountable" for their words????"
#563. To: Original_Intent (#43)
Yup. The only way they'd cover it is if it were a crazed white christian televangelist attacking an elderly black woman. The Presstitutes operate off of a template and anything which does not fit it did not occur.
#564. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
That report is from the victim and witness, you're has been yanked our of your backside, you slimy WG'er.
#565. To: Jethro Tull (#61)
I smell a Pittsburgh nigger.
#566. To: HOUNDDAWG, Ferret Mike (#562)
However, if you needlessly cause a panic and injury and/or property damage then you could be (and should be) tossed in jail.
#567. To: scrapper2 (#556)
...though I'd quibble with your use of the word "racist" when you refer to the reason white voters cast their ballots for Deukmejian. They voted for the candidate with whom they most closely identified, a very natural behavior instinct. It was not a case of their voting against Bradley because he was black.
#568. To: scrapper2 (#566)
"The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech where it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence."
#569. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#564)
It turns out that the report was from McCain the Campaign, you stupid, credulous, one-born-every-minute sucker.
#570. To: Jethro Tull (#569)
#571. To: Cynicom (#570)
#572. To: Jethro Tull (#571)
#573. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine (#503)
I really am trying to avoid unnecessary roughness with angle.
#574. To: Cynicom (#572)
No one seems concerned or have the slightest interest in the fact that 101 per cent of blacks just happen to support Obama.
#575. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#557)
My 2 Huskies have a lot of Black on them.
#576. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#574)
Could it be that a majority of Whites are anti-White, the same way, Sarah proved it to us, a majority of the US Americans are anti-Americans?
#577. To: HOUNDDAWG (#488)
(Edited)
#578. To: christine (#420)
i'm sure you would agree that in today's PC culture, racial preference and the desire to preserve one's race/culture is encouraged and lauded for all races except white.
#579. To: christine (#578)
#580. To: angle (#578)
Yet they denigrate blacks, ALL blacks, all the time.
#581. To: angle (#579)
#582. To: HOUNDDAWG (#551)
Good post.
#583. To: Cynicom (#570)
#584. To: OliviaFNewton (#521)
Rumors rumors and facts. One of which the brainwashed refuse to dare question or explore. Driven by extreme self gratification rather than concern for the greater national concerns.
#585. To: OliviaFNewton (#583)
Supporting them is one thing, voting against Obama is another.
#586. To: HOUNDDAWG (#552)
Crooks like former Ohio Sec. Of State Ken Blackwell and his cronies, the execs at DIEBOLD belong in prison
#587. To: OliviaFNewton (#583)
#588. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#584)
In your view, which are 'the greater national concerns'
#589. To: angle (#585)
Well then, your voting in the sham election will be well received here by the resident anti-blacks.
#590. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#517)
#591. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#584)
(Edited)
#592. To: All (#591)
#593. To: OliviaFNewton (#588)
(Edited)
2 - Forget about free-trades and globalism.
3 - Get the hell out of 'the world', militarily speaking.
4 - Focus on establishing permanent colonies on the Moon, Mars and toward interstellar expeditions.
5 - Give Bush and his co-conspirators a fair trial on counts of mostly treason.
#594. To: Cynicom (#587)
I like most Americans was taught it was our duty and right to vote, and I started voting for Ike under that lesson.
#595. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#593)
1 - Kick out anything that W or W-related from the State machinery.
2 - Forget about free-trades and globalism.
3 - Get the hell out of 'the world', militarily speaking.
4 - Focus on establishing permanent colonies on the Moon, Mars and toward interstellar expeditions.
5 - Give Bush and his co-conspirators a fair trial on counts of mostly treason.
#596. To: angle (#591)
#597. To: angle (#595)
#598. To: christine (#395)
you know what? i've had enough of you. bye.
#599. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#593)
Ollie, I thought you had a clear idea of what the greater national priorities were.
#600. To: OliviaFNewton (#599)
#601. To: christine (#539)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#602. To: angle (#590)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#603. To: Ferret Mike (#602)
Yes, he was.
#604. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#600)
No dear. If you have any idea of what 'the greater national priorities' are, you spell them out or you prove yourself to be an uninteresting debater.
#605. To: OliviaFNewton (#599)
(Edited)
Ollie, I thought you had a clear idea of what the greater national priorities were.
#606. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#600)
#607. To: angle (#606)
#608. To: OliviaFNewton (#604)
You are already pissed and I've not even gotten started.
#609. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#607)
#610. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#605)
So, you are saying that you DO NOT have any idea of what 'the greater national priorities' are but you wish that everyone was focused on them and ignore the distractions? It's sounds so... Palinesque.
#611. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine (#563)
I did note the lucid analysis from Angle and a couple of others but... Ciny, Jethro, the Original... the other usual suspects, they do not disappoint.
#612. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#608)
My dear, you will never 'start' because you have no idea what you are talking about but you keep 'talking'.
#613. To: OliviaFNewton (#610)
#614. To: All (#613)
#615. To: angle, christine, duckhunter, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, all (#578)
I wouldn't be sure. Please first describe "white culture". Then perhaps we can discuss the same idea.
#616. To: OliviaFNewton (#612)
My dear, you will never 'start' because you have no idea what you are talking about but you keep 'talking'.
"A gentleman is one who is never unintentionally rude." ~ Oscar Wilde
#617. To: angle (#598)
(Edited)
#618. To: christine (#617)
i take that as a deliberate attempt to intimidate, censor, and silence me.
#619. To: christine (#617)
when someone makes the accusation that i'm stirring up race wars
#620. To: Original_Intent (#615)
A superior culture is one which enhances all of these for all people. It could even grow into a civilization. Something that would be a nice change on this insane asylum of a planet.
#621. To: Cynicom (#572)
It would seem to a rational person that at least one black somewhere would have black guilt and support McKooK. This, however, is not the case.
#622. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#613)
For the record:
#623. To: rowdee (#621)
OMG.........are you saying that even alan keyes has turned against whitey?
#624. To: angle, christine (#619)
I think it's an overreaction on your part.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#625. To: Cynicom (#623)
"I forgot about him. Years ago I supported him until he strayed off the reservation."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#626. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#607)
#627. To: Cynicom (#623)
#628. To: OliviaFNewton (#622)
#629. To: Original_Intent (#616)
One of the problems I have found with people having ill manners is that they are so egocentric that it never occurs to them that their "temper tantrums" are not "Holy Writ".
#630. To: rowdee (#628)
Boy, have you got his shorts at twisted up in his hiney! LOLOL. Go Olivia Go.
#631. To: angle, Ferret Mike (#619)
I hope this is a decision of your own making
#632. To: Ferret Mike (#625)
#633. To: christine (#631)
(Edited)
wadosy went far over the line with his incendiary comments regarding killing and exterminating blacks
#634. To: Cynicom (#632)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#635. To: angle, a vast rightwing conspirator (#595)
vast's national priorities: a vast rightwing conspirator
#636. To: scrapper2 (#635)
(Edited)
#637. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#636)
Many politicians have been scared and cowed into going along with the main perpetrators and they are guilty of cowardice but, do NOT try to leave the impression that 'everybody did it' and, therefore, it does not matter. The script, this time, was written by Dick Cheney, the Neocons, Israeli agents of influence, not by Teddy Kennedy.
#638. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#636)
Did many others collaborate and played along? You betcha.
#639. To: wadosy, jethro tull, christine (#135)
there are blacks who are just as irrational and racist as any klansman. did i say there were not?
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of its very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#640. To: Jethro Tull (#638)
#641. To: christine (#631)
rest assured that it was. the mistake i made was not making the reason clear at the time. again, i feel that wadosy went far over the line with his incendiary comments regarding killing and exterminating blacks. i stand by my decision
#642. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#640)
What suggests that the Martians won't be there directing Obingo?
#643. To: scrapper2 (#635)
#644. To: rowdee, christine (#641)
And you did fine......that person was trying to instigate a reason for having feeble gubmint step in.
#645. To: angle (#633)
I notice you didn't comment as to the drawing
#646. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#636)
A Soviet Union-style breakup is likely within the next 50 years.
#647. To: Ferret Mike (#634)
I never said you were a racist. I merely point out where you are myopic.
#648. To: angle (#619)
(Edited)
#649. To: noone222 (#648)
#650. To: all, Cynicom, angle (#647)
--
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#651. To: Cynicom (#649)
This was Brother Wadosy near the beginning, giving 4um members a preview of what was to come.
#652. To: christine, Original_Intent, all (#0)
....somebody charged with making a false report would typically be cited and sent a summons. But because police have concerns about Todd's mental health, they are consulting with the Allegheny County District Attorney...
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#653. To: Cynicom (#647)
Myopic???????
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#654. To: Elliott Jackalope (#653)
Well, I was tryin to get olde Mike to smile for a change. We have jousted for about ten years on the internet, agree on very few things but that does not mean we cannot be friends. You give me an idea, maybe I will start a Myopic church, I will be the Pastor. Mike likes to use big words on me, trying to confuse me, cause he knows I only went to 8th grade.
#655. To: Cynicom, Ferret Mike (#654)
Ferret Mike is one of those guys I disagree with more often than not, and yet I'm glad he's here. Keeps me on my toes.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#656. To: scrapper2 (#550)
Now it has. Now that this has been shown to be a hoax, are you willing to retract your comment?
Should a vote be held, I'd say that this thread has devolved into the stupidest thread ever on this forum.
We cannot afford peace at any price. - Newt Gingrich, May 29, 1998
#657. To: rack42 (#656)
Say what? What are you getting at? I didn't get onto this thread until it is was 1/2 or 2/3 through and at that point there were several sub-threads running concurrently. Actually I don't recall I even registered an opinion on whether or not the girl's allegation was true or false because I was responding to the sub-thread subjects. So what am I supposed to retract?
Now that this has been shown to be a hoax, are you willing to retract your comment?
#658. To: scrapper2 (#657)
I don't care about a retraction. I'm just ticked that when I responded with: Should a vote be held, I'd say that this thread has devolved into the stupidest thread ever on this forum. You responded: Now it has. I understood this as a denigration of my opinion. Perhaps I misunderstood your reply. If so, I offer apologies. Otherwise, I'm dropping this thread.
We cannot afford peace at any price. - Newt Gingrich, May 29, 1998
#659. To: rack42 (#658)
I agreed with you. What first started as a news story devolved into that nutty provacateur, wadofhotair, acting out.
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