FBI Blocks BATF Raid To Stop OKC Bombing

Source: Source: FOIA, FBI, BATF and Court Documents
Published: Aug 24, 2005
Author: Patrick B. Briley
Post Date: 2005-08-24 23:33:52 by OKCSubmariner
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Copyright 2005 By Patrick B. Briley

In February 1995 the BATF started planning a raid against Elohim City in far eastern Oklahoma to block plans of members of Elohim City from attacking Federal buildings including the Murrah Federal building in OKC that was bombed on April 19, 1995. The planning was based on the intelligence provided by BATF informant Carol Howe to her BATF handler, Angela Findley Graham.

The individuals at Elohim City that Howe had identified as planning to attack federal buildings including Murrah included FBI informants and provocateurs Dennis Mahon (white supremacist informant), German National Andreas Strassmeyer and US Army member Sean Kenny who helped McVeigh rob banks in the Midwest, and Special Forces, CIA and FBI operative David Hollaway. Hollaway had brought Strassmeyer to Elohim City in 1989 (for the CIA, FBI and State Department) and Mahon brought McVeigh later to Elohim City in November 1993.

Hollway also gave McVeigh advice on how to rent a Ryder truck without detection and on where to park the explosives laden Ryder truck for optimum blast damage to Murrah. Hollaway also helped Strassmeyer escape INS arrest after the OKC bombing by escorting him to Germany via Mexico.

Other FBI informants at Elohim City before the OKC bombing were the (Peter) Ward brothers, Kevin McCarthy and the spiritual head, Reverend Millar.

Mahon, Strassmeyer, Hollaway and Kenny have also been identified in FBI teletypes and FBI 302 reports, and legal briefs by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue based on FOIA requests and court ordered document turnovers by Federal judge Dale Kimbal.

By March 1995 the SAC of the OKC FBI office Bob Ricks met with his BATF counterpart, Mr Roberts to have the BATF call off the BATF raid at Elohim City WITHOUT informing Roberts that those identified by Howe to bomb federal buildings and Murrah included the FBI informants and provocateurs helping McVeigh plan and carry out the OKC bombing. Ricks and FBI Director Louis Freeh were fully aware of McVeigh being at Elohim City and of the FBI provocateurs encouraging and helping McVeigh at the time Ricks had BATF official Roberts call off the raid at Elohim City.

THE OKC BOMBING WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF THE FBI HAD NOT HAD THE BATF CALL OFF THE RAID AGAINST FBI PROVOCATEURS AT ELOHIM CITY IN MARCH 1995.

The Bob Ricks and the FBI foreknowledge and encouragement of the OKC bombing is consistent with Ricks being seen and talked with in front of Murrah 15 minutes after the bombing by victim family member Janie Coverdale. It is also consistent with court documents and FBI wives telling my wife that the FBI was told to not have FBI agents go inside the Murrah building on the morning of the bombing even though on every other day 3-4 FBI agents were in Murrah by 9 am, just before the approximate time of the bombing, 9:02 am.

The BATF reports of the Rick’s and Robert’s meeting in March 1995 have been publicly and lawfully available since 1998 and I have personally viewed them. They are in the hands of former OK State Representative Charles Key, investigator JD Cash, and William Jasper of the New American magazine, who posted them on the New American website in 1998.

I told Jesse Trentadue of the BATF documents on a KTOK radio magazine program (in OKC) with Gwin Faulconer Lippert and Mr. Trentadue on Sunday, August 21, 2005.

On August 2, 2005, I wrote US Senators James Inhofe and Tom Coburn and formally requested that they attempt to have full Senate Judiciary hearings on the OKC bombing and federal prosecutions for criminal misconduct by certain individual FBI and DOJ officials. In my request to Senators Inhofe and Coburn, I provided over 500 pages of court documents, FBI teletypes and FBI 302 reports as well as well sourced news articles written by Jerry Bohnen of KTOK radio in OKC as well as my own articles posted on http://libertypost.org and http://freerepublic.com. My letter and documents were sent to and fully discussed with Jane Grisham for Senator Coburn and Stephani Carlton for Senator Inhofe.

I also communicated the BATF document information to the DC offices of US Senators (OK), James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, as well as the DC office of California Congressman Dana Rohrabacher.

FBI officials like Bob Ricks, Louis Freeh and others like FBI senior case agent Jon Hersely, through the use of 19 bombing provocateurs (identified in earlier articles by this author) and for failure to stop the bombing, may well have become accessories to the murder of 168 people killed in the Murrah bombing. The statute of limitations on murder never expires. Some of these FBI officials (as well as US prosecutors) also appear to have given knowingly false testimony before Federal trials, a Federal grand jury, an OK State trials and an OK state grand jury. The statute of limitation for perjury before the OK state trial of Nichols has not expired. Although the statute of limitations for the Federal trials and grand juries may have expired, these officials can lose their pensions for their criminal conduct and are subject to civil litigation and damages brought by bombing victim family members.

Today, Hollaway, Strasmeyer, Mahon and Kenny are free men walking the streets and FBI officials Ricks, Freeh and Hersely get to enjoy their pensions in retirement while many OKC bombing victims struggle to pay their medical bills and barely survive economically.

It was a violation of the law for the FBI to use the German national Andreas Strassmeyer who was being sought by the INS for being in the US. It was a violation of the law for the FBI to use FBI agent John Hippard and Dave Hollaway to help Strassmeyer avoid arrest by the INS and escape to Germany via Mexico (Hollaway escorted Strassmeyer out of the country and this was known to Louis Freeh). It was a violation of the law for the FBI to use a US military man, Sean Kenny, to help rob Midwest banks and help McVeigh get the proceeds to finance the OKC bombing.

Furthermore, DOJ officials have recently come forward to tell of their knowledge of official DOJ cover up of the OKC bombing before, during and after the Federal trials. This is consistent with reports that Senator Inhofe’s chief of staff, Herb Johnson, wrote a letter in September 1998, describing that the DOJ and FBI started an official cover up the first week of the OKC bombing based on what an FBI official told Herb Johnson then.

So far there has been no response from Inhofe or Coburn although the call for Congressional hearings from me and OKC bombing victim family members was discussed in the KTOK radio program with Trentadue on August 21, 2005 referred to above.

The OKC bombing was used as a pretext by Democrats and Republicans as well as Louis Freeh, Janet Reno, Clinton, Senator Arlan Specter, Senator Don Nickles, Senator Orin Hatch, Congressman Ernest Istook and others in May 1995 to finally force through Congress dubious anti- terror legislation (precursor to Patriot Act) that had been rejected and languishing in Congress before the OKC bombing.

Jesse Trentadue has also said publicly on KTOK radio that documents Trentadue has obtained show that US Senator Don Nickles worked closely to help the FBI cover up the OKC bombing and the death of his brother Kenny Trentadue, killed for his close resemblance to an OKC bombing participant and Midwest bank robber, Richard Guthrie

About 4 months ago the FBI and DOJ officially formally acknowledged closing the OKC bombing case but have refused to turn over FBI confiscated surveillance tapes and answer the questions of OKC bombing victim family members as promised once the case was closed.

Will the FBI try to use the sham ruse of reopening the OKC bombing case to avoid court orders by Judge Kimbal in Salt Lake City to turn over to Judge Kimbal the FBI’s un-redacted OKC bombing documents by October 12, 2005?

Will FBI Director Robert Mueller continue to ignore the public calls by US Congressmen like Dana Rohrabacher, or the threat of possible Senate Judiciary hearings, to avoid turning over the surveillance tapes and the un-redacted FBI documents? The withheld surveillance tapes may well reveal some of the 19 FBI provocateurs who helped McVeigh. It is already known from a detailed analysis (by this author and Trentadue) of the available redacted FBI documents and teletypes that the un-redacted FBI documents will further implicate the FBI in the deaths of 168 people murdered in Murrah on April 19, 1995.

Please contact the offices of US Senators Coburn and Inhofe and of Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and urge them to respond to my letters and evidence, to have full Senate Judiciary Hearings, to press for prosecutions for the criminal misconduct of certain FBI and DOJ officials complicit in the OKC bombing, and to demand that the FBI and DOJ publiclly turn over all un-redacted FBI documents and surveillance tapes relevant to the OKC bombing.

Copyright 2005 By Patrick B. Briley

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#1: OKCSubmariner    To: Critter, christine, Arator, FormerLurker, Neil McIVer, TommyTheMadArtist, tom007, Uncle Bill, who knows what evil, Red Jones, robin, Zipporah, swarthyguy, honway, Sparker, Fred Mertz, MUDDOG, lodwick, itisa1mosttoolate, Don, Elliott Jackalope (#0)

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#2: robin    To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

THE OKC BOMBING WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF THE FBI HAD NOT HAD THE BATF CALL OFF THE RAID AGAINST FBI PROVOCATEURS AT ELOHIM CITY IN MARCH 1995.

Which begs the question why did they call off the raid?

It was a violation of the law for the FBI to use the German national Andreas Strassmeyer who was being sought by the INS for being in the US. It was a violation of the law for the FBI to use FBI agent John Hippard and Dave Hollaway to help Strassmeyer avoid arrest by the INS and escape to Germany via Mexico (Hollaway escorted Strassmeyer out of the country and this was known to Louis Freeh). It was a violation of the law for the FBI to use a US military man, Sean Kenny, to help rob Midwest banks and help McVeigh get the proceeds to finance the OKC bombing.

It is obvious that the govt is involved all the way down the line.

robin posted on 2005-08-24 23:40:34   Reply   Private Reply


#3: Red Jones    To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

a very good article that Patrick Briley wrote here.

Red Jones posted on 2005-08-25 00:00:06   Reply   Private Reply


#4: Uncle Bill    To: OKCSubmariner (#1)

PR OO F there were additional explosive charges

Jane Graham Affidavit: 1 2 3

"The government must and I say must take responsibility for their sting operation going sour."
Jane Graham

"The FBI spent $3 million of your tax money to blow up the World Trade Center." - Joseph Farah


Tapes in Bombing Plot Show Informer and F.B.I. at Odds
By RALPH BLUMENTHAL
The New York Times
Section A; Page 1; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk
October 27, 1993, Wednesday, Late Edition - Final


The informer at the center of the Government's case in the plot to bomb New York City landmarks had a volatile relationship with his handlers, often quarreling with F.B.I. agents who used him to infiltrate a group of Muslim extremists who have been charged in the plot, according to transcripts of secretly taped conversations.


"You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that. That's why I feel so bad."
Transcripts of the hundreds of hours of tapes -- which were recorded by the informer, Emad A. Salem, without the knowledge of the F.B.I. -- were distributed to defense lawyers yesterday. Although Judge Michael B. Mukasey ordered the lawyers to keep them secret, a copy of the transcripts was made available to The New York Times.

The tapes offer a rare glimpse into the sensitive relationship between the confidential informer and the law- enforcement officals with whom he worked. They also reveal for the first time how Federal and police agents instructed him to "pump up" a suspect for information and negotiate a $1 million fee from the Government for his services.

Scattered through the hundreds of pages of transcripts are many instances in which the Government agents appear to encourage Mr. Salem to lead the suspects to incriminate themselves. Defense lawyers have long contended that the Government crossed a legal line, instructing Mr. Salem in a fishing expedition that became entrapment. Although the bulk of the transcripts does not appear to show the agents steering Mr. Salem toward improper or illegal conduct, whether they did so finally will be resolved in court.

Many New Details

Among the details included in the transcripts are the following:

*A reference by Mr. Salem to 12 possible bombs and hitherto unmentioned targets, including Grand Central Terminal, the Empire State Building and Times Square.

*A New York City police detective working with the F.B.I. told Mr. Salem, who was getting $500 a week from the Government, that if he wanted a $1 million informer's fee, he should press for $1.5 million and then negotiate.

*An unusual suggestion that some of the money sought by Mr. Salem was going to be put up by private individuals.

*A reference from Mr. Salem, in a conversation with an F.B.I. agent, to an argument between F.B.I. officials over whether Mr. Salem should remain an unidentified informer or surface as a witness to testify at trial.

*A major defendant in the World Trade Center trial was tipped off by a neighbor to an elaborate F.B.I. ruse to search the Brooklyn apartment of another suspect, Mahmud Abouhalima, and replace explosives in his apartment with false explosives supplied by the F.B.I.

*Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a defendant in the second bombing case, was using a fax machine to command anti-Communist Muslim rebels, moving forces from Pakistan to Afghanistan and dealing with a code-named agent from Hamas, the militant Palestinian group, Mr. Salem told the F.B.I.

The transcripts cover Mr. Salem's dealings with the suspects and his work for the Government over a period of at least two years, going back to the trial in the killing of Rabbi Meir Kahane. Mr. Salem recorded the conversations with Government agents on his own, without the knowledge or consent of his contacts in the F.B.I., apparently to use as an insurance policy to hold the Government to its promises of money and protection.

Some of the most striking passages in the transcripts show Mr. Salem agonizing over what he suggests was the failure of the F.B.I., despite his information, to halt the Feb. 26 bombing of the trade center, in which six people were killed. Although Mr. Salem is not a witness in that case, he was working with the Government at that time.

"They told me that 'we want to set this,' " Mr. Salem said, referring to the bomb in a conversation on April 1 with John Anticev, one of the F.B.I. agents he reported to, and sometimes complained to others about. " 'What's the right place to put this?' "

Then he added, still speaking to the agent: "You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that. That's why I feel so bad."

Federal officials have acknowledged in the past that they dropped Mr. Salem as an informer sometime before the trade center bombing over what they said was his reluctance to wear a body recorder, as well as other disagreements. They said he never provided detailed information of the attack in advance but that they began using his services again after the bombing and credited him with foiling the related but separate plot to bomb the United Nations, Holland and Lincoln tunnels and the Federal building housing the F.B.I. in Manhattan.

The case is expected to come to trial next year, perhaps shortly after the end of the related trial of four men charged with bombing the World Trade Center. As the most important witness, Mr. Salem is expected to be called upon to verify tapes he made of conversations with suspects and testify on his dealings with them.

In several instances, the transcripts show Mr. Salem lecturing Federal agents on how to do their jobs, criticizing their surveillance and interview techniques. In one instance, he suggests that they tell a possible source that his phone was tapped, when in fact it was not, and that they confront the man and push him hard for information. "Don't give him a chance to think," Mr. Salem is quoted as saying. "If he will think it's, 'I want my lawyer.' Then bingo, you are gone."

Aid for Defense?

By creating the so-called bootleg tapes, Mr. Salem has given ammunition to defense lawyers who argue that he entrapped the 15 defendants charged with conspiring to bomb New York City landmarks.

In one instance that shows how Mr. Salem was prompted by Federal agents, Mr. Anticev is quoted as saying, "You know, pump, maybe kind of pump him up a little bit." The agent tells Mr. Salem to stress "the loyalty to his cousin." The target in that instance, Ibrahim A. Elgabrowny, is a cousin of the man who was charged with shooting Mr. Kahane and now a defendant in a plot to bomb New York City targets.

In another instance, Mr. Anticev is quoted as instructing Mr. Salem to press to learn whether Mr. Elgabrowny or his associates were hiding explosives. He is quoted as telling Mr. Salem not to worry about being exposed as the source of the information. "We'll just know where stuff exists and where it is," Mr. Anticev is quoted as saying. "And then we'll make our move."

"There's no danger, you know," he says later. "We can be sneaky and take our time."

Mr. Salem has dropped from sight since the June arrests, and an effort to get in touch with him through the witness protection program of the Federal Marshals Service was rejected. But a member of the defense team said he was spotted within the last month in Manhattan.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer and confidant of the radical Egyptian cleric, Mr. Abdel Rahman, surfaced as the Government's mole after a June 24 F.B.I. raid on a Queens garage that the Government said smashed an extremist Muslim plot to blow up the United Nations, Lincoln and Holland tunnels and the Manhattan Federal building housing the F.B.I., and to assassinate Senator Alfonse M. D'Amato and State Assemblyman Dov Hikind, among other targets.

The unauthorized tapes came to light immediately after the raid as Mr. Salem hurriedly evacuated his West Side Manhattan apartment and was quickly identified by associates of the sheik and by law-enforcement authorities as the "confidential informant" who had secretly gathered evidence, including many tape-recorded conversations, against those later charged as conspirators in the case.

Tapes Left Behind

In the belongings Mr. Salem left behind either carelessly or by design were cassettes of the tapes he had secretly recorded with the F.B.I.

Because these could shed light on the prosecution's evidence-gathering methods to the point of possible entrapment, defense lawyers convinced Judge Mukasey that they should gain access to this material as well as to Mr. Salem's authorized recordings, turned over earlier.

Even before he came in from the cold of his undercover role in June, the burly, bearded Mr. Salem was an enigmatic figure, a private investigator who supported himself as a jewelry designer, a security guard for the sheik who freely gave interviews to news reporters.

Officials in Cairo say he entered the Egyptian Army as a private and during an 18-year career fought in the 1973 war with Israel and was "pensioned out" as a senior officer while continuing a relationship with Egyptian military intelligence. His American wife, from whom he was divorced this year but to whom he is still close, told New York Newsday last week that he had recently sent a set of the bootleg tapes home to Egyptian authorities with a visiting relative.

In the United States for about six years, he lived most recently in a fifth-floor suite at the Bretton Hall residence hotel at 2350 Broadway.

A news reporter invited to interview him there shortly after the World Trade Center bombing found herself on camera as Mr. Salem insisted videotaping the encounter.

He showed her photographs of what he said was his sandbagged bunker in the 1973 war, the reviewing stand where former President Anwar el-Sadat was assassinated in 1981 and his grave site. He also showed pictures of people who had apparently been tortured: a woman with cigarette burns and a man confined in a cage.

He said that he prayed at the Abu Bakr mosque in Brooklyn and the al-Salaam mosque in Jersey City, where Sheik Omar often preached, and that he had known the cleric from Egypt. He said he was attracted by Mr. Rahman's aura of power and fearlessness.

Remembered as Benefactor

Associates in Jersey City said they remembered Mr. Salem as a generous benefactor of the mosques and of the sheik himself. He also collected money for the defense of El Sayyid A. Nosair, an Egyptian contractor charged in the 1990 assassination of the militant Jewish leader, Rabbi Meir Kahane. Mr. Nosair was acquitted of that killing but convicted of related assault and weapons charges. He is also one of the 15 defendants in the bombing conspiracy case.

Mr. Salem also had dealings with Mr.. Elgabrowny, a relative of Mr. Nosair for whom Mr. Salem said he helped obtain a pistol permit from the New York City Police Department.

Associates and lawyers of some of the defendants said that Mr. Salem appeared rather abruptly on the scene around the time of the Kahane killing and that they now suspect he was sent to infiltrate the circle around Mr. Nosair.


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Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast
By RALPH BLUMENTHAL
The New York Times
Section A; Page 1; Column 4; Metropolitan Desk
October 28, 1993, Thursday, Late Edition - Final
Correction Appended


L aw-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.


"Do you deny," Mr. Salem says he told the other agent, "your supervisor is the main reason of bombing the World Trade Center?" Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev did not deny it. "We was handling the case perfectly well until the supervisor came and messed it up, upside down."
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City's tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian army officer, was used by the Government to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the trade center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I.

Supervisor 'Messed It Up'

After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an undated transcript of a conversation from that period, Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said, "came and messed it up."

"He requested to meet me in the hotel," Mr. Salem says of the supervisor. "He requested to make me to testify and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to complain to F.B.I. headquarters in Washington about the bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by an agent identified as John Anticev.

"He said, I don't think that the New York people would like the things out of the New York office to go to Washington, D.C.," Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him.

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it, saying of the New York people: "Well, of course not, because they don't want to get their butts chewed."

Mary Jo White, who, as the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York is prosecuting defendants in two related bombing cases, declined yesterday to comment on the Salem allegations or any other aspect of the cases. An investigator close to the case who refused to be identified further said, "We wish he would have saved the world," but called Mr. Salem's claims "figments of his imagination."

The transcripts, which are stamped "draft" and compiled from 70 tapes recorded secretly during the last two years by Mr. Salem, were turned over to defense lawyers in the second bombing case by the Government on Tuesday under a judge's order barring lawyers from disseminating them. A large portion of the material was made available to The New York Times.

In a letter to Federal Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Andrew C. McCarthy, an assistant United States attorney, said that he had learned of the tapes while debriefing Mr. Salem and that the informer had then voluntarily turned them over. Other Salem tapes and transcripts were being withheld pending Government review, of "security and other issues," Mr. McCarthy said.

William M. Kunstler, a defense lawyer in the case, accused the Government this week of improper delay in handing over all the material. The transcripts he had seen, he said, "were filled with all sorts of Government misconduct." But citing the judge's order, he said he could not provide any details.

The transcripts do not make clear the extent to which Federal authorities knew that there was a plan to bomb the World Trade Center, merely that they knew that a bombing of some sort was being discussed. But Mr. Salem's evident anguish at not being able to thwart the trade center blast is a recurrent theme in the transcripts. In one of the first numbered tapes, Mr. Salem is quoted as telling agent Floyd: "Since the bomb went off I feel terrible. I feel bad. I feel here is people who don't listen."

Ms. Floyd seems to commiserate, saying, "hey, I mean it wasn't like you didn't try and I didn't try."

In an apparent reference to Mr. Salem's complaints about the supervisor, Agent Floyd adds, "You can't force people to do the right thing."

The investigator involved in the case who would not be quoted by name said that Mr. Salem may have been led to believe by the agents that they were blameless for any mistakes. It was a classic agent's tactic, he said, to "blame the boss for all that's bad and take credit for all the good things."

In another point in the transcripts, Mr. Salem recounts a conversation he said he had with Mr. Anticev, saying, "I said, 'Guys, now you saw this bomb went off and you both know that we could avoid that.' " At another point, Mr. Salem says, "You get paid, guys, to prevent problems like this from happening."

Mr. Salem talks of the plan to substitute harmless powder for explosives during another conversation with agent Floyd. In that conversation, he recalls a previous discussion with Mr. Anticev.

"Do you deny," Mr. Salem says he told the other agent, "your supervisor is the main reason of bombing the World Trade Center?" Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev did not deny it. "We was handling the case perfectly well until the supervisor came and messed it up, upside down."

The transcripts reflect an effort to keep Mr. Salem as an intelligence asset who would not have to go public or testify.

A police detective working with the F.B.I., Louis Napoli, assures Mr. Salem in one conversation, "We can give you total immunity towards prosecution, towards, ah, ah, testifying." But he adds: "I still have to tell you that if you're the only game in town in regards to the information," then, he says, "you'll have to testify."

Studied for Signs of Illegality

The transcripts are being closely studied by lawyers looking for signs that Mr. Salem and the law enforcement officials, in their zeal to gather evidence, may have crossed the legal line into entrapment, a charge that defense counsel have already raised.

But the transcripts show that the officials were concerned that by associating with bombing defendants awaiting trial in the Metropolitan Correctional Center, Mr. Salem might have been accused of spying on the defense.

In an undated conversation, Mr. Anticev tries to explain the perils.

"We're not allowed to have any information regarding that," he tells Mr. Salem. "That could jeopardize, you know, if you go see a lawyer, ah, you know, with the defendant's friend or whatever like that, and you're talking about things we're not suppose to, ah, condone that. We're not supposed to make people do that for us. That's like sacred ground. You can't be privileged, ah, you can't know what's being talked about at all."

Mr. Salem seems to bridle. "I, I, I don't think that's right," he says.

The agent insists: "Yeah, but that's just a guideline. If that ever happened, ah, you can back and reported on the meeting between, ah, you know, Kunstler and Mohammad A. Elgabrown. Forget about it. I mean a lot of people ah the case can get thrown out. You understand?" The references were to the defense lawyer, Mr. Kunstler, and his client in the second bomb case, Ibrahim A. Elgabrowny.

Mr. Salem seems to reluctantly agree.

"They want you to have a hand in it," Mr. Anticev goes on, "but they're afraid that when you get that kind of, ah, too deep, like me, it's almost like, especially with all this legal stuff going on right now."

If it were just intelligence gathering, the agent says, "You can do anything you want. You could go crazy over there and have a good time. Do you know what I mean? "

The agent goes on: "But now that everything is going to court and there is legal stuff and it's just, it's just too hard. It's just too tricky, if, this, you know. And then there's the fact if you come by with the big information, he did this, ah, let me talk about this with the other people again."

"O.K.," Mr. Salem says. "All right. O.K."

CORRECTION-DATE: October 29, 1993, Friday

CORRECTION:

An article yesterday about accounts of a plot to build a bomb that was eventually exploded at the World Trade Center referred imprecisely in some copies to what Federal officials knew about the plan before the blast. Transcripts of tapes made secretly by an informant, Emad A. Salem, quote him as saying he warned the Government that a bomb was being built. But the transcripts do not make clear the extent to which the Federal authorities knew that the target was the World Trade Center.

"Then he added, still speaking to the agent: "You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that. That's why I feel so bad."

FEDERAL BOMB INSTIGATORS


GOVERNMENT TERRORISM - From Ruby Ridge To Waco and Beyond

"We are potentially the most dangerous agency in the country,"
FBI Director Louis Freeh - testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime on June 5, 1997.

Uncle Bill posted on 2005-08-25 02:42:10   Reply   Private Reply


#5: timetobuildaboat    To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

where to park the explosives laden Ryder truck for optimum blast damage to Murrah.

I stopped reading at this point because the article is BS. Bombs located inside the building brought it down not the "truck bomb".

timetobuildaboat posted on 2005-08-25 05:11:20   Reply   Private Reply


#6: BTP Holdings    To: OKCSubmariner, Uncle Bill (#0)

FBI Director Louis Freeh

Bob Ricks and the FBI foreknowledge

My sixth sense always told me these guys were rats.

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#7: swarthyguy    To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

Just like the first WTC bombing. Where the Feds had a chance to substitute non explosive materials, or nab the bombers before they moved.

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#8: OKCSubmariner    To: timetobuildaboat, Critter, christine, Arator, FormerLurker, Neil McIVer, TommyTheMadArtist, tom007, Uncle Bill, who knows what evil, Red Jones, robin, Zipporah, swarthyguy, honway, Sparker, Fred Mertz, MUDDOG, lodwick, itisa1mosttoolate, Don (#5)

timetobuildaboat:

I stopped reading at this point because the article is BS. Bombs located inside the building brought it down not the "truck bomb".

I too believe there were explosives inside Murrah that did most of the damage to Murrah. But there was a truck bomb too. Further, I helped General Partin locate and identify the columns (by photos) sheared inside Murrah by explosives. In addition FBI bomb task force inspector Danny Defenbaugh told Partin at his residence in June 1996 that most of the damge to Murrah was NOT done by the truck bomb.

Perhaps you have not read many of my articles on libertypost.org and freerepublic.com written and posted about the OKC bombing snce June 2000. I also have been writing and posting articles about OKC here on liberty4um since last year. Check with honway, robin ,Uncle Bill, Fred Mertz, Zipporah etc.

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#9: OKCSubmariner    To: Uncle Bill, Fred Mertz, honway, swarthyguy, Zipporah, christine, robin (#4)

Thanks Uncle Bill. Your posts are always very important and subtantive. Glad you are here and "back in the saddle".

OKCSubmariner posted on 2005-08-25 14:03:00   Reply   Private Reply


#10: robin    To: timetobuildaboat (#5)

Keep reading timetobuildaboat; OKC's on top of this subject. If you are interested at all in the OKC bombing, be sure to read all his posts/threads/articles.

robin posted on 2005-08-25 14:12:37   Reply   Private Reply


#11: Zipporah    To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

Was Trentadue ever able to secure the documents thru the FOIA he was seeking? Also is the interview of you and Trentadue online?

Thanks for this info

Zipporah posted on 2005-08-25 14:32:55   Reply   Private Reply


#12: timetobuildaboat    To: robin (#10)

Keep reading timetobuildaboat; OKC's on top of this subject.

I thought the author was Patrick B. Briley.

timetobuildaboat posted on 2005-08-25 15:48:08   Reply   Private Reply


#13: robin    To: timetobuildaboat (#12)

That's OKCSubmariner, one and the same.

robin posted on 2005-08-25 15:52:26   Reply   Private Reply


#14: Red Jones    To: OKCSubmariner, TimeToBuildABoat (#8)

I won't forget those photos you posted over at FreeRepublic that showed beyond any doubt that bombs caused the bulk of the damage. You offerred absolute photographic evidence that proved the bombs blew out columns.

Red Jones posted on 2005-08-25 15:58:25   Reply   Private Reply


#15: Uncle Bill    To: ALL (#0)

BTTT

Uncle Bill posted on 2018-02-06 02:35:38   Reply   Private Reply


#16: Uncle Bill    To: All (#15)

bttt

Uncle Bill posted on 2019-12-15 04:51:27   Reply   Private Reply