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#1: NeoconsNailed    To: Horse (#0)

There are indeed a huge number of excess containers lying around. Wonder why they don't just turn 'em into scrap metal -- those that one receive cool use like this.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-13 05:19:13   Reply   Private Reply

#2: Pinguinite    To: Horse (#0)

Another video I saw from somewhere made similar use of geothermal heating where they ran a series of, I think, 6" flexible tube pipes for dozens of yards some 8 feet underground. They circulate air through them to very efficiently regulate temperatures. If this guy did that, he's likely have even better temperature results year-round.

$30K sounds like the home price alone independent of the lot price, whatever that is. Still a good deal. If it were me, though, I'd do something twice that size. I guess I like my space.

Pinguinite posted on 2019-07-13 07:14:28   Reply   Private Reply

#3: NeoconsNailed    To: Pinguinite (#2)

I didn't watch the whole 15 min. -- does he tell how the temperature is in winter and summer? I've always imagined that full thermal heating would mean a house completely underground or piping in the warmth as you say -- and of course there are commercial systems for that.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-13 13:01:09   Reply   Private Reply

#4: Horse    To: NeoconsNailed, Pinguinite (#3)

This man uses buried HVAC tubing to heat and cool his Nebraska Greenhouse where he grows oranges in the winter with snow on the ground outside.

Horse posted on 2019-07-13 13:24:58   Reply   Private Reply

#5: Pinguinite    To: NeoconsNailed (#3)

I didn't watch the whole 15 min. -- does he tell how the temperature is in winter and summer?

In winter, no lower than 62, in summer no more than 80.

He said the temps outside at the time of filming was about 100, I think. Winter low temps weren't mentioned.

I've always imagined that full thermal heating would mean a house completely underground or piping in the warmth as you say -- and of course there are commercial systems for that.

He still needs air circulation from the outside to fight humidity. That's mentioned, and would of course compromise the geothermal temp inside.

Pinguinite posted on 2019-07-13 14:57:22   Reply   Private Reply

#6: Pinguinite    To: Horse (#4)

That's the one. I almost posted it.

Pinguinite posted on 2019-07-13 14:58:24   Reply   Private Reply

#7: Lod    To: Horse (#0)

Sounds like a great fella.

Lod posted on 2019-07-13 16:58:33   Reply   Private Reply

#8: BTP Holdings    To: NeoconsNailed (#1)

Wonder why they don't just turn 'em into scrap metal

We were selling all of our scrap steel to the Japs in the 30s. They were refining it and building their Army and Navy with that steel.

I see all sorts of containers around on the street going up and back to make deliveries. I wonder where those containers go when they are empty? ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2019-07-13 17:09:16   Reply   Private Reply

#9: Lod    To: all (#8)

container homes around the world ~ amazing

www.digitaltrends.com/hom...shipping-container-homes/

Lod posted on 2019-07-13 17:31:28   Reply   Private Reply

#10: NeoconsNailed    To: BTP Holdings (#8)

Whajew spose is in 'em????????

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-13 19:40:02   Reply   Private Reply

#11: NeoconsNailed    To: Pinguinite (#5)

That lower limit wouldn't do it for me, I know that much :-)

Oddly, searching UNDERGROUND HOUSES in YT brings up numerous house and pool combos.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-13 19:42:18   Reply   Private Reply

#12: Pinguinite    To: NeoconsNailed (#11)

That lower limit wouldn't do it for me, I know that much :-)

62 is the low end in the height of winter *without any other source of heat*.

Put in a wood stove, electic heat or something else, and you're good to go.

But looking at the geothermal greenhouse, I think going completely underground is not as advantagous as going dug in with a transparent roof and the geothermal air conductors. You get the heat AND the natural sunlight

Pinguinite posted on 2019-07-13 19:53:36   Reply   Private Reply

#13: BTP Holdings    To: NeoconsNailed (#10)

Whajew spose is in 'em????????

No idea really. There are only 2 businesses up the street and one make plastic beams for housing and the other makes deer blinds. ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2019-07-13 19:54:20   Reply   Private Reply

#14: BTP Holdings    To: Pinguinite (#12)

I think going completely underground is not as advantagous as going dug in with a transparent roof and the geothermal air conductors. You get the heat AND the natural sunlight

In Evanston, Illinois they had the Arboretum with the Evanston Environmental Association. The building housed a greenhouse which had water filled steel drums painted black to catch as much solar gain as possible. There was also a 300 kilowatt Wincharger atop the roof to catch the winds for electricity to run the office and visitor center.

It has been a very long time since I was there. The Director, Donn Werling, lived in the Grosse Pointe Lighthouse building with his family. Not too sure if he is still around. I did some tilling jobs for the city on the banks of the North Shore Channel so they could plant some prairie plants along there. ;)

www.evanstonenvironment.org/

BTP Holdings posted on 2019-07-13 20:03:15   Reply   Private Reply

#15: Lod    To: all (#14)

There must be millions of shipping containers for sale in this country.

Are they "use one time and discard" items?

Lod posted on 2019-07-13 22:07:07   Reply   Private Reply

#16: NeoconsNailed    To: BTP Holdings (#13)

So it sounds like somebody's up to no good?

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-13 23:16:50   Reply   Private Reply

#17: NeoconsNailed    To: BTP Holdings (#14)

Very interesting.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-13 23:18:19   Reply   Private Reply

#18: NeoconsNailed    To: BTP Holdings (#13)

If only there was some way to find out! If the chance is thrust upon you, and I predict it soon will be, you could sidle up to a driver (e.g. waiting at a long lite) and say "I see these trucks constantly going back and forth. What's in 'em?" ;-)

Would a license plate search be feasible or useful? Prolly not, they're just the carriers.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-17 15:33:15   Reply   Private Reply

#19: NeoconsNailed    To: Pinguinite (#12)

What I was thinking -- with shade controls over every room. But how to keep the top surface safe from falling objects or ppl? Plexiglas ain't cheap, and scratches.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-17 15:40:28   Reply   Private Reply

#20: Pinguinite    To: NeoconsNailed (#19)

What I was thinking -- with shade controls over every room. But how to keep the top surface safe from falling objects or ppl? Plexiglas ain't cheap, and scratches.

Glass would be a better choice. It can be thicker for more strength, and smoked glass could be had to offer a little bit screening if and where desired. One thing about skylights is they do need to be cleaned from time to time so that should be expected. Yes, glass breaks but repairs are just part of normal maintenance.

Pinguinite posted on 2019-07-17 17:03:33   Reply   Private Reply

#21: NeoconsNailed    To: Pinguinite (#20)

Doesn't sound good from here. Has anybody ever done it?

Is a house warmer the further down into the earth it's built? Doesn't the outside temperature affect the top side same as ever?

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-17 19:26:01   Reply   Private Reply

#22: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed (#21)

information for you, et al

www.physicsforums.com/thr...r-4ft-underground.826193/

Lod posted on 2019-07-17 21:40:45   Reply   Private Reply

#23: NeoconsNailed    To: Lod (#22)

Thanks, Lod -- extremely disappointing

I don't see how this idea could ever excite anybody. I'd much rather have windows and they have to be much better for mental and fizical health.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-17 22:13:12   Reply   Private Reply

#24: BTP Holdings    To: NeoconsNailed (#18)

I am not near enough to the truck stops here in town that I can simply walk over and ask them what they are hauling. Anyway, most drivers would not divulge that information. I do see containers going up and down the street in front of the shop, but no chance to flag them down. ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2019-07-17 23:24:35   Reply   Private Reply

#25: NeoconsNailed    To: BTP Holdings (#24)

Anybody around town you could ask?

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-17 23:28:53   Reply   Private Reply

#26: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed (#23)

Agree. I'd rather spend the money on a good thermal HVAC system and be above dirt level.

Lod posted on 2019-07-18 00:16:45   Reply   Private Reply

#27: Pinguinite    To: NeoconsNailed (#21)

Is a house warmer the further down into the earth it's built?

The idea isn't to eliminate heating and cooling bills. To do that, you have to live somewhere near the equator in the mountains.

But it's more stable the farther down you go. Generally the mid 50's. This is nice in the summer as it's cooler than the outside air. In the winter when it's freezing outside, the mid 50 degree geo temp gives you a head start on heating the home. A regular home built above ground has practically no benefit either way so by comparison has much higher heating and cooling utility bills year round.

But again, you can take a tip from the green house effort and run a number of tubes through the ground and circulate air through them to heat and cool a completely above home ground. That simple, one time installation could pay for itself in the first 6 months of usage, perhaps.

Doesn't the outside temperature affect the top side same as ever?

If you want, you can have standard insulation roofing. If you have good sun exposure due to the terrain and the weather, then it could be beneficial to have more window light.

Pinguinite posted on 2019-07-18 06:16:58   Reply   Private Reply

#28: NeoconsNailed    To: Pinguinite (#27)

Thank you, Ping.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2019-07-18 07:29:23   Reply   Private Reply