the link between JPL,Crowley, and Hubbard was a very curious thing.

It is curious...(don't forget the Disney link)

The dot-connection of Satanists-Cultists speaks to the motives and deception of the same birds of a feather.

The origins of NASA and "space" travel is curious. Their goal was to access the realm beyond the physical, which they knew intersected with the spiritual realm.

I realize you disbelieve the Bible, but the description of our realm is discussed throughout in Scripture. It speaks of God's "Firmament," which according to the Bible is a "Glass Dome" of sorts. WITHIN this Firmament is (according to Scripture as well as many observers as late as the 1930s) lie the Sun and Moon.

IF those like JPL, Crowley, Hubbard and Disney ALL had a goal to try and crash through The Firmament, aka God's "Glass Dome" (to either prove OR disprove God's word), THAT provides a motive.

But for the sake of argument, do you believe the "space walk" event is occurring in low earth orbit?

Why would you disbelieve it?

I realize you disbelieve the Bible, but the description of our realm is discussed throughout in Scripture. It speaks of God's "Firmament," which according to the Bible is a "Glass Dome" of sorts. WITHIN this Firmament is (according to Scripture as well as many observers as late as the 1930s) lie the Sun and Moon.

Bro, I was born and raised Roman Catholic. What you're talking about must be some Protestant interpretation of the literal English.

The Bible was written by men, and those men were far from infallible.

There might be some spiritual nature inherent in the Torah, if you can understand the Hebrew.

Other than that, you're reverting to the ignorance of the Dark Ages.

This is all observable with a telescope. As is the rotation of the earth itself.

There are lots of things that are well known and established fact.

Yes...As well as many key "established" theories which are erroneously considered "facts." THIS is an ongoing big problem for institutional "Science."

Don't confuse the fantasy realm with the objective world we live in.

That's another problem; Accepting lab coats and past "scientific" dogma with pure theory and assumption. Btw, "Science" is waaaay to "subjective", which is how it's gotten itself into the kind of mess its in.

IF it were truly "objective," the Lies would be dismissed and ridiculed instead of the Truth.

There are some that have dabbled into things that they shouldn't have.

Perhaps for that reason we have some extremely evil people running things.

+100.

THAT is the problem. Their agenda and cred is and has always been suspect and...sick.

But the earth is still a sphere, and the sun is but one star out of an unimaginable number.

Been there, done that. Truth blew my mind. That sir is ALL a lie, a series of one Big Lie after another.

Once you see it all unfold before you, you don't nor ever can go back.

Nothing personal if you disbelieve what I believe to be true and vice versa.

Yes...As well as many key "established" theories which are erroneously considered "facts." THIS is an ongoing big problem for institutional "Science."

That a force exist known as gravity is not a theory, it is an objective fact, just as it'd probably be safe to say most humans have two eyes, two legs, and two arms.

WHY that force exist is open to THEORIES, but the fact is that it DOES exist.

IF it were truly "objective," the Lies would be dismissed and ridiculed instead of the Truth.

Lies that you consider facts ARE easily dismissed. You can not argue against facts, you can only try to twist those facts using lies.

But the fact is, if you follow a guide of the sky you can find the planets depending on your longitude and latitude, and if you find Jupiter you can see its moons.

You'll notice that the planet is moving across the lens, and that is because the earth is rotating.

The Bible was written by men, and those men were far from infallible.

But...

MEN also wrote everything you and many millions believe as "gospel" truth -- all man's "science," "knowledge," and all theories. Just sayin'.

As to the credibility and fidelity of the Bible, its contents are the Inspired Word of God as He directed through the Holy Spirit. The Almighty certainly had the power to do so. No one has yet found a single lie within its bindings. Moreover its prophecies thus far have all been proven true. WHAT are the odds?)

Ultimately, it is a matter of faith, Lurker.

Yes, I believe EVERY single word in it. Now whether you or I or Aunt Tilly believe some, all, or none -- as well as the wisdom, truth, prophecy and Salvation through Jesus Christ -- is everyone's prerogative.

Once you see it all unfold before you, you don't nor ever can go back.

Sorry to ask, but are you taking mind altering drugs?

You're acting like electricity hasn't been discovered yet.

Yes, I believe EVERY single word in it.

I believe there is a God, that who is the actual Creator of all that exist.

I just don't believe books written by men with an agenda. And again, the original Hebrew has a different meaning than that given by translators from ancient times to fairly recent history.

Moreover its prophecies thus far have all been proven true. WHAT are the odds?)

I must have missed the one about men flying. Then again the Book of Revelations could well be a guide book written by those who are intent on destroying the earth.

It certainly didn't make it into the New Testament as far as the church was concerned.

You can not argue against facts, you can only try to twist those facts using lies.

I can't make you believe or disbelieve observations and facts against your will. And wouldn't want to.

Perhaps I'll extend an effort to address and present your perspective and understanding as you see "the facts" eventually so that ONLY YOU will make whatever determination your own mind, eyes, and heart tell you. If you're indifferent about it, fine.

If have faith in mankind to do the right thing, act in benevolent and generosity, and present truth as best as they can, then who am I to tell you otherwise?

At the same time -- if *I* see the Truth, I'm sharing it with those who are actively seeking it.

I must have missed the one about men flying.

??

I can't make you believe or disbelieve observations and facts against your will. And wouldn't want to.

If you wanted to seek Truth bro, you'd get that telescope and view the planets.

Look up Galileo and Copernicus.

Here's a good link as to how religion treated the "heresy" of Galileo.

Did the Roman Catholic Church execute Galileo?

Here's info on Copernicus;

Nicolaus Copernicus

Apparently you didn't read what was being discussed.

So....You admit you only watched just 4:32 of my video yet are beckoning me to investigate the same institutional "Science" shills we've been taught is truth since grammar school??

Again -- Been there, done that. It's ALL hypothetical BS presented as FACT.

Ergo...REJECTED.

MANY scientific/cosmological/Earth & Space issues are addressed in it head on in it -- as well, INCLUDING Antarctica. You've also refused to watch the original "200 Proofs" vid submitted by Wudidiz.

Yet Lurker, you make the above claim?? ("Apparently you didn't read what was being discussed.")

WATCH. LISTEN TO THE OTHER SIDE. THEN we can have a great debate.

The simple question was about posting a link to the proof of an assertion that was claimed to be the basis for the assertion.

You've had WELL OVER 200 "proofs of assertions" submitted for your eyes via several videos.

Now if you refuse to watch the evidence, refutations, "assertions" and proofs that totally obliterate Institutional LIES and Disney-like fake theater and CGI of NASA, the erroneous hypotheses of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, and Einstein, THAT IS ON YOU, my friend.

THESES so-called "Scientists" -- aka high priests of PTB -- HAVE HIDDEN THE TRUTH; Gaslighted the masses. You, like most, have been lost in The Deception and its partner: The Power of Suggestion.

Those 4K "photos" of "planets" and "suns"? Nothing but cartoons & CGI. (assigning dates and "telescopes" to the images is a nice touch.)

Some people make the conscious choice to swallow the PTB's BLUE PILL.

OTHERS will indeed swallow THE RED PILL.

The rebuttal I hear is that jet planes thrust against the air, with rockets it's things exploding away from each other -- something like that. Didn't sound very plausible either.

Who's the guy speaking at 19:45? Looks familiar....... Admiral Byrd reported seeing some really wild stuff on his last trip to the Antarctica, and shut him up by their favorite method -- psychiatric confinement.

Again -- Been there, done that. It's ALL hypothetical BS presented as FACT.

Yes, your flat earth hypothetical BS is exactly that, bullshit.

You can't even figure out why objects fall when dropped, and can't understand why there is day and night, nor why there are seasons, eclipses, or why the sun brings warmth to the planet.

And you obviously are too cheap or lazy to buy yourself a telescope and view the planets of the solar system, and also observe the earths rotation which is plainly obvious if you're looking at a planet through that telescope.

You would like to undo all the scientific progress we've made for the past 500 years and burn scientists at the stake for the crime of heresy.

Why don't you set the example and toss your cellphone and PC into the dumpster?

The rebuttal I hear is that jet planes thrust against the air, with rockets it's things exploding away from each other -- something like that. Didn't sound very plausible either.

Oh so neither rockets nor missiles exist?

Are you for real or are you another one of these anti-reality nuts?

Jet engines burn fuel by mixing air with the fuel.

Rocket engines burn fuel by mixing liquid oxygen with the fuel.

This is 3rd grade stuff man.

Jet engines burn fuel by mixing air with the fuel.

Rocket engines burn fuel by mixing liquid oxygen with the fuel.

Ok, so you admit the REAL science that AIR and/or LIQUID OXYGEN is required to combust fuel..

Riddle us this, Batman:

HOW do you "combust" fuel in the alleged VACUUM OF SPACE?? HOW does a vessel "propel" itself within the alleged "vacuum of space" for 238 THOUSAND miles?? (and please don't say, "Liquid Oxygen")

So...

Not only that, during the entire supposed round-trip to the Moon, sufficient fuel FOR 238,000 miles x 238,000 miles = 576,000 miles not only required for combustion, BUT AT LIFT-OFF FROM THE MOON!

This is 3rd grade stuff man.

It sure is, man.

EXTRA CREDIT QUESTION (Anybody):

HOW did the alleged NASA "space ships" combust and fire rockets -- PLUS have enough fuel aboard that space-craft -- to not only launch from the Moon, but travel ANOTHER supposed 238,000 miles BACK to Earth?? (Have you noted how tiny those Apollo "space ships" were?? According to your calculations (OR ANYONE ELSE -- what was the fuel capacity of these Apollo vessels? And again -- sustained combustion in a vacuum is IMPOSSIBLE.)

One need to suspend all logic, common sense AND known "Science" to accept this series of NASA Moon-Mission HOAXES at face value to begin with.

I realize we ALL bought the Fairy Tale from NASA and the "Scientific Communitah," but it is TIME TO WAKE UP!!

(Now you know why TRUTH and "Truthers" are feared more than anything from the PTB and Silicon Valley/See Eye A -- and considered "dangerous")

There is a treasure trove of this kind of eye-opening material and truth out there. Yeah...This particular researcher's productions are refined AND entertaining (you just have to get beyond the initial music; he's a millennial.)

I've been wondering about jet propulsion in space and I frankly find it impossible to believe we send spacecraft billions of miles away to photograph Saturn or whatever.

For both you AND me, all it took was a logic & common sense AND real-science look at this whole "propulsion in a vacuum" claim; Or of actually examining NASA's/Hoax Science Communitah's ridiculous other claims that ANY spacecraft from NASA traveled 238,000 miles in a vacuum -- never mind MILLIONS and BILLION of miles to other planets! (Yes, the 4K photographs of planets, their and suns are obvious bogus photoshopped or CGI -- referred to as "Images" NOT "photos" if you'll notice.)

Btw, did you know NASA itself has an official Disney-like "studio" where all their cartoons and artist depictions are displayed to GA-GA Trekkies & fanbois of their Science Fiction imaging and fairy tales?? Yup.

The rebuttal I hear is that jet planes thrust against the air, with rockets it's things exploding away from each other -- something like that. Didn't sound very plausible either.

Hear ya. NOT. Plausible. Not close. The whole crock is just that -- AND DON'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS!!

The PTB Solution (or rather, demand -- lest you be called a "CT" or "Kook," or (gulp) "Truther":

Just perform Spock's Vulcan 'Live long and prosper' hand signal, kneel before the altar of NASA, the See Eye A, the 911 Blue Ribbon Commission, the Rockefeller Foundation, The R/D Parties, Einstein, Copernicus and Newton, and of course...trust theoretical "SCIENCE" and its CULT.

BECAUSE...They wouldn't lie to us, would they?

Who's the guy speaking at 19:45? Looks familiar.......

That's Bill Nye, "The Science Guy."

The PTB constantly use him and Neil De Grasse Tyson on TV shows -- both rabid Atheists -- to shill for their NASA/Space Cult to further indoctrinate the pods and the ignorant. Both are idiots.

(Nye is on record wanting to lock up "Climate Deniers." There is a great video of him and Tucker Carlson smacking him around on YT)

Admiral Byrd reported seeing some really wild stuff on his last trip to the Antarctica, and shut him up by their favorite method -- psychiatric confinement.

Yes...Byrd's TV interview from 1954 is amazing (on YT of course, not easy to find for obvious reasons.)

The PTB first tried to portray Byrd as a nut (their favorite thing to do to those who reveal too much.) When that didn't work, they shut him up for good in 1957 when he died suddenly.

COINCIDENTALLY...In 1958 NASA was created. By 1959 the Antarctica Treaty was signed by ALL the world's powers, suspiciously and severely restricting ALL exploration and travel there other than for military or VIP (as well as below the 60th parallel.)

OF NOTE: Admiral Byrd was entrusted to lead conducted THREE separate missions to Antarctica during the 1950s...Then spilled the beans that NO ONE had ever seen the Antarctica interior, revealing too much. On the TV show he said looked forward to discoveries of the Antarctica-Beyond -- but NEVER MADE IT. Nor has anyone else. EVER.

But now with the REAL truth readily available to us, myself and countless others are finally REJECTING THE INITIAL PROGRAMMING AS PURE 100% BS.

ALL the answers to all the questions and truth you keep on requesting ARE AVAILABLE here at this very thread, in the about links to videos, or these and other vidd as well.

Now if you refuse to access the many sources and REAL explanations -- or don't deem it worthy of your time -- that's on YOU. It's not my responsibility to spoon-feed you. Either you are determined and curious about truth or aren't.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "la-la-la-la" is not any viable or practical way to discover truth, seek it, or see/listen to it.

The earth is still a sphere, and the sun is but one star out of an unimaginable number.

BECAUSE....

You've been told that??

By whom, again? Einstein, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, and Bill Nye??

"Un-imaginable number" and "Big Bang"/"Evolution" baloney is exactly what Atheists-Trekkies fantasize about. Why? EXACTLY because their cultist fantasy of an "Infinite Universe" and Man = Speck of Dust" makes God and His Creation AND God's Gospel, Judgement Day, and HIS Heaven/Hell Eternity disappear.

Man's uniqueness is indeed as THE center of God's GEOCENTRIC Earth Model, His Firmament, His scriptural, TRUE descriptions of our Creation in The Bible.

Ok, so you admit the REAL science that AIR and/or LIQUID OXYGEN is required to combust fuel..

Riddle us this, Batman:

HOW do you "combust" fuel in the alleged VACUUM OF SPACE?? HOW does a vessel "propel" itself within the alleged "vacuum of space" for 238 THOUSAND miles?? (and please don't say, "Liquid Oxygen")

You're joking right?

You admit that fuel is combusted with oxygen, whether it be from normal air or liquid oxygen.

Yet you appear to think that the inside of a rocket engine has no fuel or oxygen, where you've admitted that it uses liquid oxygen.

The OUTSIDE of a space craft is a vacuum, but the engine uses pressurized fuel and liquid oxygen. It is far from being a vacuum where the fuel combusts with the oxygen.

This is elementary school stuff dude. Get yourself a 6th grade science book from the 70's and see what you've missed.

As far as needing to "propel" itself for 238 thousand miles, it doesn't.

A burn of the main engine is timed for a certain duration, then shut down.

A fundamental law of motion is that an object will not accelerate without a force acting upon it. So once the desired velocity is reached, there is no further need for acceleration.

The trajectory is plotted to utilize both earth and moon gravity so that the craft reaches moon orbit, with perhaps another engine burn to put it into final orbit.

Go to school.

EXTRA CREDIT QUESTION (Anybody):

HOW did the alleged NASA "space ships" combust and fire rockets -- PLUS have enough fuel aboard that space-craft -- to not only launch from the Moon, but travel ANOTHER supposed 238,000 miles BACK to Earth??

As previously answered, it doesn't burn fuel the entire way. You're thinking in terms of an airplane that needs to expend energy to pass through the air, as the air produces friction in the way of drag.

An object traveling through a vacuum only needs to expend energy to accelerate, either positive acceleration or negative (as in deceleration).

(Have you noted how tiny those Apollo "space ships" were?? According to your calculations (OR ANYONE ELSE -- what was the fuel capacity of these Apollo vessels? And again -- sustained combustion in a vacuum is IMPOSSIBLE.)

Another repetition of the same invalid claims. It is neither sustained nor do rocket engines not use fuel or oxygen, they use both.

One need to suspend all logic, common sense AND known "Science" to accept this series of NASA Moon-Mission HOAXES at face value to begin with.

One needs to suspend all intelligence to have such an ignorant view of the world.

You don't even understand grade school stuff dude. I mean basics, like fire and stuff.

I realize we ALL bought the Fairy Tale from NASA and the "Scientific Communitah," but it is TIME TO WAKE UP!!

(Now you know why TRUTH and "Truthers" are feared more than anything from the PTB and Silicon Valley/See Eye A -- and considered "dangerous")

Yes dude, all the educated people on earth are crazy and you're the brilliant one, even though it seems you've never learned ANYTHING at ALL about science.

If you're not simply a paid government shill sent here to waste our time and make the site look crazy, you most likely ARE dangerous, as you appear to suffer from paranoid schizophrenia.

But now with the REAL truth readily available to us, myself and countless others are finally REJECTING THE INITIAL PROGRAMMING AS PURE 100% BS.

Acting like you have the understanding of Jimmy Jones disciples is purely cringe worthy.

Are you REALLY that stupid and ignorant? Or have you been drugged and brainwashed?

BECAUSE....

You've been told that??

The world as you imagine it is impossible. If you had any intelligence you'd understand that.

I've given you examples of what you can't explain with your 2 dimensional world. You refuse to address them, because they'd be impossible to explain in your world.

In fact, it seems if anything you are projecting, as it would appear you NEVER learned even the most fundamental elements of basic science, so you obviously didn't suddenly have this "revelation" of you living on a flat earth and logically think it through.

Somebody convinced you of it apparently because you had no idea of how things actually work.

That's if this isn't all an act of yours.

This is going back to the 60's even where the processing power of even the largest and most powerful computers were a fraction of what's in the average cellphone these days.

And prior to the 60's? Go look at old scifi movies and see how realistic those special effects were. Look at Flash Gordon from the 30's. It was like a bottle rocket up the poop chute of a rocket ship.

LOL!!!

Here's a question for flat earthers. Which way is north on a flat earth map?

Yes dude, all the educated people on earth are crazy and you're the brilliant one...you've never learned ANYTHING at ALL about science.

Oh, the irony.

NEWSFLASH:

Hundreds of THOUSANDS are learning THE truth. That's why G00gle and Silicon Valley and MSM and the Govt are panicking over "dangerous" Flat Earth and 911 and "CTs"...

YOU are more than welcome to remain immersed in monumental ignorance. It's never been easier to fool your ilk and keep them from asking inconvenient questions.

"HEY!! I SAW IT ON TV SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!".... HEY!! I learned that in 6th Grade!!.... HEY!! I learned that from PBS and the Discovery Channel!!"

What YOU deem "educated" is merely Crib-to-Grave indoctrination of regurgitated theories, disinformation, and LIES. It's not only sad, it's...pathetic.

There's HARD science -- proven by repeatable scientific experiments, measurements, math, and observation -- and there's SOFT "science" -- THOSE are the un-proven, THEORETICAL about Earth-Space "Science" ones you and many others swallow without investigation or scrutiny.

What YOU'VE investigated: .000001% of the available REAL sources of REAL science and truth out there RIGHT NOW. Your attention span lasted all of 4 minutes and 32 seconds -- as you admitted up-thread

It's not my fault if you trust anyone in a lab-coat; It's not my fault you refuse to question or challenge the very same authorities and institutions who've lied to us (and lie even more today) on a regular basis.

Be a paranoid lunatic. YES, EMBRACE IT!

Then...return to your deep comatose. Triple up on the Blue Pill. Re-embrace your Matrix. You are THE perfect obedient POD for your Elite Overlords. NEVER QUESTION YOUR MASTERS.

I don't care WHAT Fairy Tale you continue to believe as gospel. You've proven repeatedly totally incapable of thinking outside the tiny little box in which you reside.

Here's a question for flat earthers. Which way is north on a flat earth map?

It's beyond your grasp.

Don't worry about it, Magellan.

"HEY!! I SAW IT ON TV SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!".... HEY!! I learned that in 6th Grade!!.... HEY!! I learned that from PBS and the Discovery Channel!!"

That is apparently your only exposure to what you believe to be science, except substitute YouTube for TV in your case.

But it's clear you never made it past the 1st grade part, as you obviously don't even know what fire is.

Tell me, what is fire.

It's beyond your grasp.

Don't worry about it, Magellan.

You can't answer because there is no answer, the compass directions wouldn't work out on your fictitious map.

Are you REALLY that stupid and ignorant? Or have you been drugged and brainwashed?

Bwaahaa!!

Projecting, Magellan?

Jimmy Jones would have made you his lieutenant at FormerLurker Town..er...I mean, Jonestown.

Q: If the Three Stooges wore NASA lab coats, would you most trust Curley to run 'Mission Control'?

You're an anti-Orwell. It's insulting to his memory AND anyone who's actually read AND understood the book.

NEWSFLASH:

Hundreds of THOUSANDS are learning THE truth. That's why G00gle and Silicon Valley and MSM and the Govt are panicking over "dangerous" Flat Earth and 911 and "CTs"...

I doubt there are more than maybe a few thousand flat earthers on the planet, even adding in the native peoples of the Amazon and the jungles of Africa.

Panicking? LOL!!!

No, just shaking our heads on how delusional you are. Of course, it's most likely not a case of insanity in your case. I see you took the opportunity to lump REAL truth in terms of 9/11 and other topics deemed to be "CT" with your loony claims.

That is exactly what I suggested way back in this thread, you are here to discredit ALL so-called "CT" researchers and writers by associating your idiotic views with them.

And lose the ridiculously humongous "ORWELL" quote and photo avatar.

You're a living example of what Orwell was trying to warn us about.

Q: If the Three Stooges wore NASA lab coats, would you most trust Curley to run 'Mission Control'?

What is fire?

There's HARD science -- proven by repeatable scientific experiments, measurements, math, and observation -- and there's SOFT "science" -- THOSE are the un-proven, THEORETICAL about Earth-Space "Science" ones you and many others swallow without investigation or scrutiny.

What is fire?

What is thrust in terms of propulsion?

You can't seem to understand the most basic of concepts that men have known for centuries by observation, experimentation, and exploration. Things that people take for granted each passing day such as the Internet, computers, TVs, radio, air travel, etc..

Yet you think we can create all this whiz bang stuff ignoring all the most basic of principles. LOL

Here's a question for flat earthers. Which way is north on a flat earth map?

The answer of this question is obviously not for you, Lurker...

This realm -- given it obvious that it is NOT a "globe" -- is a flat plane. According to the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection Map, it is used the world over to determine the useful properties that all points on the map.

Why? because they display the proportionally correct distances from the center point, and that all points on the map are at the correct azimuth (direction) from the center point.

It is also THIS general map that the UN and world agencies use to display our realm.

You can't seem to understand the most basic of concepts that men have known for centuries by observation, experimentation, and exploration.

You are totally misled and/or ignorant on this issue. (with all due respect)

Actual maps used for navigation follow mathematical projections that can be used to navigate by compass. Ever been in Boy Scouts?

Myself I wrote software to take actual pixel information from a weather satellite, and using a Lambert Conformal map projection algorithm to plot the necessary geodetic coordinates, plotted the pixel data from the satellite into the pixel location for that specific coordinate.

It created an actual image of a 3 dimensional visual snapshot of the earth plotted onto a 2 dimensional surface (the picture recorded by the satellite), then plotted onto a 2 dimensional map of the US, such as what you see on TV weather or road maps.

So dude, you're messing with the wrong guy. If I were some stoned out kid in Jr. High, maybe you could convince me. But I'm not.

Did you know you can actually take a cruise ship to Antarctica?

Antarctica Cruising Trips

Look at the map again.

One can why exactly why routes from say Santiago Chlie to Auckland, NZ would stop near LAX. It's almost directly on the straight route to Auckland according to the AEP Map.

You'll also find stops on the globe often make NO sense -- UNTIL you see the AEP Map.

You are totally misled and/or ignorant on this issue. (with all due respect)

Have you always believed in this nonsense?

On the real planet earth you can fly over the north pole and heading directly south towards the south pole and flying directly over it, you'd be heading back to the north pole again heading north.

It's what they call a polar orbit.

marine.rutgers.edu/cool/e...n/class/paul/orbits2.html

What is fire?