The US has admitted to assassinating Irans most beloved military leader, General Qassem Soleimani, in a drone strike which seems very likely to ignite a full-scale war. Six others are also reported killed, including Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis.
According to the Pentagon, Trump personally ordered the assassination. Ill keep following this hugely important story and will probably be writing a lot about it as it unfolds. I encourage everyone who values peace and humanity to follow it as well.
Spoke to a very knowledgeable person about what Irans response to Soleimanis assassination might be, The Quincy Institutes Trita Parsi tweeted regarding this developing story. This would be the equivalent of Iran assassinating Petreus or Mattis, I argued. No, he responded, this is much bigger than that.
Most Americans wont understand the gravity of this, tweeted journalist Rania Khalek. Qasem Soleimani is head of the Iranian IRGCs elite Quds Force, which conducts operations outside of Iran in both Iraq and Syria. He was credited with helping turn the tide in both countries against Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
This is very serious, Khalek added. The US essentially declared war on Iran by assassinating its most revered military figure in Iraq. And by also killing the head of the PMF, the US created more enemies in Iraq. There will be regional retaliation. Its unlikely it can be prevented.
If true, It is not an understatement to say this could change the entire Middle East, tweeted Risings Saagar Enjeti.
Theres going to be that war now that people have been pushing for since tanking the Iran Deal, tweeted The Intercepts Murtaza Mohammad Hussain.
If this is true, the US has effectively declared war on Iran, which has established militarily ties with Russia and China. Its not hyperbole to say this could start WW3. Insane, tweeted Grayzones Dan Cohen, who also highlighted the important fact that Iran, Russia and China held joint naval drills less than a week ago.
Iranian sources in Iran are warning that killing Gen. Qasem Sulaimani spells war, tweeted Farnaz Fassihi of The New York Times. Official reaction will begin with a strike, one says.
A proportionate retaliatory strike would necessarily entail an attack on US military targets, or the military targets of US allies. If that happens, either the empire stands down or were looking at an all-out war of a size that is potentially almost limitless.
Months after Donald Trump took office it was reported that the CIA had escalated covert operations in Iran, and the administration has been escalating tensions with that nation further and further ever since it announced its withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 on completely false pretenses. The withdrawal was followed by waves of debilitating, civilian-starving sanctions implemented with the goal of provoking civil unrest, a goal Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has openly admitted. From there we saw increased US military presence in the region, then the Iraqi-killing airstrikes earlier this week and the resulting tense angry standoff at the US embassy in Baghdad, and now here we are with Iran planning retaliation for an unforgivable assassination on its most senior and revered military official.
Many are understandably claiming that this geostrategically pivotal confrontation was precisely what Trump was installed to facilitate all along. The largest donor to any campaign in 2016 was oligarch Sheldon Adelson, who gave $25 million to the Trump campaign, and who in 2013 said that the US should drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. After Trumps election win, Adelson gave another $5 million to his inauguration, the largest single presidential inaugural donation ever made. Newt Gingrich, another of the billionaires hired politicians, has said that Adelsons central value is Israel.
Make no mistake, Iran is not Iraq or Libya. A full-scale war against Iran would be many times more deadly, costly and destabilizing than those interventions; the UKs Admiral Lord West told The Daily Star Online last year that winning such a war would require no less than a million troops, or nearly the total number of active duty US military personnel in the entire world. Even if a direct war with Iran didnt lead to a confrontation with China, Russia and the other unabsorbed allies, it would still be worse than Vietnam and Iraq combined in terms of death, destruction, expense, and regional destabilization.
And now, as I sit as the mother of two teenagers watching what might be a third world war looming on the horizon, all I can think is about how infuriating it is that weve spent the last three years on Russia bullshit and sectarian political infighting instead of building an actual cohesive antiwar movement and pushing real opposition to Trumps warmongering.
Lets get it together, humans. We need big changes, and we need them yesterday.
#1: Cynicom To: Ada (#0)
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-03 09:59:39 Reply Private Reply
#2: Pinguinite To: Ada (#0)
The economic impact alone of an invasion is also dangerous to the USA. What happens to the dollar if we embark on a costly war? One thing is that oil goes up in price which helps Russia -- not a bad thing IMO as Russia is not the threat that it's made out to be.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-03 10:03:54 Reply Private Reply
#3: Cynicom To: Pinguinite (#2)
We will never go to a land war in or with Iran.
Neville Chamberlain is NOT sitting in the White House.
Tehren will be removed from the map from without.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-03 10:14:20 Reply Private Reply
#4: Ada To: Cynicom (#1)
Ada posted on 2020-01-03 10:32:00 Reply Private Reply
#5: Lod To: Cynicom, Ada, 4 (#3)
Lod posted on 2020-01-03 10:33:40 Reply Private Reply
#6: Pinguinite To: Cynicom (#3)
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-03 11:07:01 Reply Private Reply
#7: Cynicom To: Pinguinite (#6)
Poker, table stakes.
Iran nor anyone is POSITIVE that the US will or will not use nuclear.
Stalin bet that Truman WOULD NOT and he was right. We lost 45000 American kids. Many were my friends and comrades. That was okay, what a relief, Truman did NOT use nuclear. Truman had nothing to do with putting us in Korea, Americas hero FDR did. Trump had nothing to do with us being in Iraq, Bush did, our hero.
Again, Neville Chamberlain is NOT in the White House.
In a few months we can throw Trump out of White House, install someone that will disengage from the world and we will all live happily ever after.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-03 12:02:43 Reply Private Reply
#8: Anthem To: Pinguinite (#6)
Beg to differ. It is not certain that we will not invade. Currently the world is waiting to see what Iran will do, or what will be done and blamed on Iran. That depends upon whether Trumpenyahoo believes it will be successful or not.
If we do invade, it will start with the "shock and awe" missile bombing campaign, which will test the Russian made defense system. That is something they want to do. Edit: If Russian defenses are successful in shooting down most of "shock and awe" then it will likely go back to stalemate.
Will Russia fully enter the war on Iran's side? Dunno. Let's say they use their supersonic missiles to knock out a carrier or two, and perhaps hit land staging areas. Then we have no choice but to invade Russia, probably through Ukraine and the "Stans" area. Now it's on. What will China do? What if they stay out to pursue their own agenda. It may be that New York and London are sufficiently satisfied that they can work with the Chinks that they are not concerned about that.
It's more than dicey right now.
Anthem posted on 2020-01-03 12:13:26 Reply Private Reply
#9: Lod To: Anthem (#8)
Lod posted on 2020-01-03 12:28:04 Reply Private Reply
#10: Anthem To: Lod (#9)
Anthem posted on 2020-01-03 12:47:06 Reply Private Reply
#11: Anthem To: Lod, Pinguinite (#9)
I have seen no reaction from Putin or China yet.
Anthem posted on 2020-01-03 13:14:49 Reply Private Reply
#12: Cynicom To: Anthem (#11)
An "invasion" is NOT physically possible nor desirable.
There would be NO need.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-03 13:22:15 Reply Private Reply
#13: Anthem To: Cynicom (#12)
Anthem posted on 2020-01-03 13:45:47 Reply Private Reply
#14: Cynicom To: Anthem (#13)
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-03 13:58:39 Reply Private Reply
#15: Pinguinite To: Anthem (#10)
Build up where? Iraq or Afghanistan? Both are hostile territory unlike Saudia Arabia was when we invaded Iraq. Maybe we'll stage there again and then the invading troops will drive through Iraq to Iran's border? That's probably the better idea but ... no I don't see any invasion happening at all. Any war with Iran would consist only of bombing campaigns, and for the duration, no oil flowing out of the Persion Gulf.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-03 14:25:10 Reply Private Reply
#16: Liberator To: Pinguinite, Anthem (#15)
Concur. It would be nasty optics.
Any war with Iran would consist only of bombing campaigns, and for the duration, no oil flowing out of the Persion Gulf.
As usual.
Wash, Rinse...
ALL MSM-spun theater, misdirection and distraction as the One World Gummint destroys Western Civ and sovereignty.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-03 14:33:04 Reply Private Reply
#17: Anthem To: Pinguinite (#15)
No invasion will happen without staging, which takes time. We'll have some idea what's going on unless they shut off Internet information (a possibility).
Edit:
no I don't see any invasion happening at all.
I have underestimated the gall of these people too many times to be dismissive about the possibility. Hubris doesn't begin to describe their ability to order up destruction and death on a massive scale.
Anthem posted on 2020-01-03 14:35:23 Reply Private Reply
#18: Pinguinite To: Anthem (#17)
I think the instant the first boot hits the ground in any staging operation, it will be war-on as far as Iran is concerned. They won't wait until staging is complete and take the defensive on the US time table. At least they shouldn't. Unlike with Saddam, there was at least the illusion of a negotiated peace, but there's not prospect for that with Iran.
What they could do offensively outside their borders might be limited, but they wouldn't be the pushover Iraq was. But again, a ground war is unlikely.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-03 14:56:53 Reply Private Reply
#19: Anthem To: Pinguinite (#15)
And this...
If Russia stays out the US could literally surround Iran.
Anthem posted on 2020-01-03 14:57:30 Reply Private Reply
#20: Anthem To: Pinguinite (#18)
I think it's a myth that Iran would be able to offer much more resistance than Iraq; not without help.
Anthem posted on 2020-01-03 15:06:32 Reply Private Reply
#21: Pinguinite To: Anthem (#20)
Iran would probably have a victory by winning Iraq's political allegiance. No doubt they are looking for gains there.
But we'll see. Or in the case of how a war with Iran would turn out, hopefully, we won't see.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-03 16:36:16 Reply Private Reply