Iraq Parliment Votes to Expel US Troops (with comments at FR)
| Source: | http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3805717/posts |
| Published: | Jan 5, 2020 |
| Author: | from Wall St. Journal |
| Post Date: | 2020-01-05 10:55:51 by Lod |
| Views: | 1040 |
| Source: | http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3805717/posts |
| Published: | Jan 5, 2020 |
| Author: | from Wall St. Journal |
| Post Date: | 2020-01-05 10:55:51 by Lod |
| Views: | 1040 |
#1: Cynicom To: Lod (#0)
This is a resolution and non binding.
Trump should agree, give a timetable and warn of consequences if anyone interferes.
Trump will be berated about leaving friends etc etc. What a horrible thing to do.
Carlson would at once demand Trump be impeached.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-05 11:16:34 Reply Private Reply
#2: randge To: Cynicom, Lod, All (#1)
randge posted on 2020-01-05 11:22:30 Reply Private Reply
#3: Cynicom To: randge, Lod, Trump haters (#2)
Nothing to see here, move on, impeach Trump.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-05 11:27:16 Reply Private Reply
#4: Lod To: Cynicom (#3)
Damn. Who knew that the swamp was that deep? thanks.
Lod posted on 2020-01-05 11:31:33 Reply Private Reply
#5: Cynicom To: Lod, All Trump haters (#4)
There are more...John Kerry (Kohn) has daughter married to Iranian.
Trump haters here and Carlson should follow the money ties.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-05 11:48:28 Reply Private Reply
#6: BTP Holdings To: Cynicom (#5)
Like in the Wizard of Oz, "Follow the yellow brick road." Or follow the gold. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-05 11:53:34 Reply Private Reply
#7: BTP Holdings To: Lod (#0)
It is plain to see the Iraqi lawmakers are under extreme pressure to conform. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-05 12:02:45 Reply Private Reply
#8: randge To: Cynicom (#3)
Iran & the Brotherhood are of chief importance in the deep state's calculations.
randge posted on 2020-01-05 14:18:45 Reply Private Reply
#9: Cynicom To: randge (#8)
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-05 14:25:42 Reply Private Reply
#10: Cynicom To: randge (#8)
Our place will be taken by most likely Russia. Russia and China both know how to deal with ragheads, they shoot them or throw in concentration camps. It is estimated now that China has about a million ragheads in gulags.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-05 14:33:25 Reply Private Reply
#11: randge To: Cynicom (#9)
For years, the polite and/or customary thing was to refer to the language as "Farsi."
Today, not so much. It's Persian.
Make of that what you will. : )
randge posted on 2020-01-05 14:33:52 Reply Private Reply
#12: randge To: Cynicom (#10)
Muslim expats from China complain that many of their graveyards have been erased in the last few years alone. They are said to number over 100.
Beijing doesn't screw around. They respect no potentially competing doctrines.
We hear that images of Jesus are being replaced by pictures of Xi in Chinese churches.
randge posted on 2020-01-05 14:41:42 Reply Private Reply
#13: Horse To: randge (#2)
Horse posted on 2020-01-05 14:50:09 Reply Private Reply
#14: Lod To: Cynicom, all (#10)
Lod posted on 2020-01-05 14:57:25 Reply Private Reply
#15: Pinguinite To: Lod (#4)
The deep state swamp is very much domestic, not foreign. It's about career gov workers that have been at their jobs for 25, 35 years or more who think they know better how to run the US than the electorate does. It's not about loyalties to foreign entities at all. It's about loyalties to their own selfish ideals.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-05 15:08:40 Reply Private Reply
#16: BTP Holdings To: Pinguinite (#15)
And keeping their long worked for pensions secure. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-05 15:12:31 Reply Private Reply
#17: Pinguinite To: Cynicom (#9)
Wouldn't blame them. Probably safer that way, but yes, Persian would seemingly refer to a culture, Iranian a nation. Probably more pride that way. Persia alludes to much more ancient roots, and predates Islam itself by some 1500 years.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-05 15:13:34 Reply Private Reply
#18: Pinguinite To: Cynicom (#10)
No more than it is already.
Agreed. Russia would be much more welcome there, as they are pretty much allies of Iran, and of course Syria. Putin would love to have a 3 contiguous nation block allied with him in Iran, Iraq and Syria.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-05 15:16:07 Reply Private Reply
#19: randge To: Pinguinite (#15)
Which is true, but those loyalties don't prevent them from mucking about with foreign entities like internationalist reds or the muslim brotherhood.
They share agents, financial arrangements and propaganda outlets with them.
(Edit)
BTW with regard to "Iraq Parliment Votes to Expel US Troops" this is another tempest in a piss-pot that the "media" love to amplify.
Be cognisant that the Iraqi parliment barely had a quorum to pass this non-binding resolution to present to a lame duck administration that will have to pass it on to the next executive in a matter of months. Quite near half the assembly was not present as Sunni Arab and Kurdish representatives had boycotted the session.
Once there's an actual statutory declaration related to the end of foreign forces on their soil, the US and Iraqi government will then have months to work out how the US exit will take place. So this action is not the earthshaker it's been made out to be.
And that's not to say that I give a fig what any of these guys think. If I had my druthers all our peeps would be home tomorrow.
randge posted on 2020-01-05 15:28:27 Reply Private Reply
#20: Pinguinite To: randge (#19)
I heard it was non-binding, and I can certainly believe the Kurds are too loyal to the US, having no love for the rest of Iraq. And naturally, the Sunnis aren't going to do anything to help the Shia majority. I guess it comes down to how much outrage & Iraqi pride the head honcho there has, and how effective the US state department and/or CIA will be in persuading him. But if they don't expel the US, it will really be an expression of Iraqis being dogs, serving themselves up to being walked on and butchered at will by their American masters. Americans kill a high ranking Iraqi military office in direct violation of the Iraq/US agreement (or so they claim) and Iraq responds by doing.... nothing. That's a strong pill for any patriotic Iraqi to swallow.
There's another consideration. If war is coming between the US and Iran, and Iraq has US bases in its borders, it's going to be caught up in the conflict. If Iraq orders the US out, then Iraq will be much more out of harm's way.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-05 22:27:09 Reply Private Reply
#21: randge To: Pinguinite (#20)
Not to disparage anything that you say or to diminish what individual Iraqis might say of their nation, but how much patriotism of the sort that we commonly think of can there be in a country created by the British & derived from a kingdom that only achieved independence from Britain in 1932?
That whole place is a sad basket of unresolved loyalties.
randge posted on 2020-01-06 13:26:09 Reply Private Reply
#22: Cynicom To: randge (#21)
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-06 14:09:31 Reply Private Reply
#23: Bill D Berger To: Cynicom, randge (#10)
Wait - wasn't one of Trump's campaign promises to get us out?
Seems to me that he lied about that as well.
As 3,500 Soldiers Deploy, a ‘Whirlwind’ Whips Through Fort Bragg
Well, that should make the neocon warmomgers happy.
Bill D Berger posted on 2020-01-06 14:12:38 Reply Private Reply
#24: Cynicom To: Bill D Berger (#23)
Some time ago friend of mine went to Iraq. He was CO of health sanitation unit or some such.
Basic training for Iraq recruits???? Instruct them what toilet paper was for and how to use it. He was appalled, did his year and came home. Later army offered him Lt. Col. if he would volunteer for another year in Iraq. He retired.
Bush took us there and the SOB should be made to do a tour there.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-06 14:26:32 Reply Private Reply
#25: Lod To: Pinguinite (#20)
Lod posted on 2020-01-06 16:39:27 Reply Private Reply
#26: Lod To: randge (#21)
They just want to get back to their tribal/clan roots of killing each other, but we keep getting in their line of fire.
Cut our losses and leave, they're happy, and most Americans (outside the swamp) are happy.
Lod posted on 2020-01-06 16:43:58 Reply Private Reply
#27: Pinguinite To: Lod (#25)
Yes. I understand a high ranking Iraqi military officer was also killed in the attack on Soleimani. Of course there were also 2 drivers and bodyguards, I think, no doubt Iraqi. Not high ranking military guys, but certainly no less a life than the US contractor whose death set off this latest chain of events.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-06 18:50:05 Reply Private Reply
#28: randge To: Lod (#26)
Well put. And our being there, in Iraq, provides a truly fascist country in the name of Iran opportunity to maintain a foothold in neighboring territory.
randge posted on 2020-01-06 19:21:14 Reply Private Reply
#29: BTP Holdings To: randge (#28)
Is Iran a Fascist country? I had not noticed the corporations running things there like they do elsewhere. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-06 19:46:16 Reply Private Reply
#30: Lod To: Pinguinite, randge, Horse, Cyni, 4 (#27)
Maybe he'll stay in Tehran and use his Twitter account, who knows?
Lod posted on 2020-01-06 21:55:38 Reply Private Reply
#31: Horse To: Lod (#30)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/soleimani-was-baghdad-diplomatic-mission-saudi-peace-iraq-pm
Horse posted on 2020-01-06 23:16:56 Reply Private Reply
#32: Pinguinite To: Lod (#30)
Well, you know what they say. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
What I've gathered from the reports about him in the MSM tells me he was a very skilled military tactician. I've heard no claim to suggest he murdered civilians in cold blood, which would qualify one as a terrorist. If so, then he was just a warrior who fought well for his country.
Pinguinite posted on 2020-01-07 00:13:36 Reply Private Reply
#33: randge To: Lod (#30)
Esmail Ghaani is quite as much a bad actor as his predecessor.
He made his bones in the Iran-Iraq war where he did not hesitate to send young boys to be killed in human-wave assaults upon Iraqi machine gun positions.
Countless nerds insist that on our side we hew to legalistic standards in all endeavors without regard to the fact the we face an apocalyptic adversary that fights with bolshevik-level ethics on and off the battlefield.
randge posted on 2020-01-07 13:02:21 Reply Private Reply
#34: Lod To: Pinguinite (#32)
He should have stayed home and fought there against the defenseless mullah-protestors.
Lod posted on 2020-01-07 13:54:49 Reply Private Reply