He watched it for hours.

The Navy says it has material about UFOs that, if released, "would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States."

Utter bs.

National Security of the United States."

Utter bs.

On its face, yes.

One has to wonder what it is that the government "knows" or "does not know" that would be so calamitous to national security.

If the "government" knows something so profound, that means there are many people that are aware of what is hidden from the public. Their fear will eventually be leaked by someone.

Is it foreign, domestic, or extra extraterrestrial???

I suspect it is extraterrestrial.......

The Navy says it has material about UFOs that, if released, "would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States."

Utter bs.

The only way it would cause "grave damage" to NS is if the info related to real discovery of extraterrestrial tech. If, for example, an alien space craft really did crash in area 51, then it would have been a technological bonanza to the USA. If this was fully known to other countries, there would be great international pressure for the US to reveal what was found, potentially erasing a tech advantage the US enjoys. And of course the US would earn its certification as a lying sack of crap in the eyes of the world community.

The fourth instance from the beginning of the list is reassuring: In April 1897, thousands of people reported seeing "airships" in various parts of the United States. Many signed affidavits. Scores of people even reported talking to the pilots. Thomas Edison was asked his opinion, and said, "You can take it from me that it is a pure fake."

Putting my money on the table and declaring UFOs nonexistent except for secret govt craft. Alien abductions? MK-Ultra and such.

Word for the day:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidoli a

National Security is the catch-all phrase used whenever the swamp wants to hide information from we the people. It's bogus these days.

We mostly agree, government is hiding SOMETHING. They admit that.

Your estimation, is it domestic, foreign or out of this world???

I could be wrong.

To me, it has to be something that the swamp didn't create and fear that it can't control.

Exactly.

It's been pointed out that the crescendo of UFO interest and reports basically date from the space age. Checking wikid I'm surprised to find it only citing two cases from the ancient world -- 300 and 1561 AD, but undoubtedly bogus.

The objects have been seen frequently across the planet since WWII, hardly the space age.

In fact, I've read they started showing up in numbers since the first atom bomb was tested in 1945. However, WWII pilots reported seeing them since at least 1944.

They called them Foo Fighters.

Mysterious UFOs Seen by WWII Airman Still Unexplained

Then there are much earlier accounts throughout history, even dating back to the Old Testament (Ezekiel) and even earlier, such as the Sumerian accounts of the Anunnaki.

Like you, I'll take ETs for all the money. To me, it has to be something that the swamp didn't create and fear that it can't control.

That's precisely why it's a highly sensitive national security subject, as they can't tell the public that there are aliens from unknown origins visiting our planet and there's not a damn thing we can do about.

People would not only totally panic, but it would lead to the downfall of various religious institutions that preach that we are the only planet that has life on it, and that we are the masters of the universe.

Aleister Crowley's Lam & the Little Grey Men

People would not only totally panic...

Some would, some wouldn't.

Let's make War of the Worlds real, just for fun. I'm ready, are you guys?

It's impossible to say what Ezekiel's wheel in the sky was. Since the ancients were so screwy and superstitious it's extremely difficult to assign meaning to things like that -- "Descriptions of how many Anunnaki there were and what role they fulfilled are inconsistent and often contradictory. In the earliest Sumerian writings about them, which come from the Post-Akkadian period, the Anunnaki are the most powerful deities in the pantheon, descendants of An and Ki, the god of the heavens and the goddess of earth, and their primary function is to decree the fates of humanity."

Would you agree another world's tech would have to far surpass ours to get here and back, dealing with the problems of atmosphere etc? We can't even agree on what planets we have here.

Maybe they have some kind of 'beam me down' thing right from where they are and need no vehicles or fuel. We're just discovering that an atom can exist in two places at once, so there's prolly still tons we don't know about matter's potential.

That's just one possible way they could be making our highest achievements look piddling. Maybe the Martians or Proxima Centaurians exist as spirits only and can instantly cue up a view of any place that exists in the universe in their minds. Mebbe they're constantly laffing at us animalistic humans and the idea they would want to interact with us. Mebbe they consider Mars beautiful and Earth ugly. The possibilities are endless.

Then there's the familiar question of why interstellar beings would want to come here -- "I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member" etc.

I used the word 'basically' and think it covers the various precedents, FL. WW2 is merely a few years before the NACA 'established the Special Committee on Space Technology' in 1957, and the govt has to have been looking into it long before that -- covertly or overtly.

10 years is more than just a few years. They didn't have rockets beyond the German V2 back then.

That's why we brought German scientists to the US under Operation Paperclip after WWII, to obtain their knowledge. One such scientist was Wernher von Braun.

Regardless, there's no possible way for an airplane or rocket to have exhibited the observed flight characteristics of the UFOs spotted at the time.