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#1: BTP Holdings To: Horse (#0)

Barbecuing

When I worked for State of Illinois, I stopped for morning break at a White Hen Pantry. I picked up a small bag of BBQ chips and a soda.

When I came out the front door, this gorgeous blond wearing bangle ear rings had just gotten out of her car and was walking toward the front door. She looked like she just got her hair done.

I held out the bag of chips and said, "Hello darlin'. You want some BBQ?"

She screamed and ran into the store.

Do you think maybe I scared her? :-/

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-02 19:07:56 Reply Private Reply

#2: NeoconsNailed To: Horse (#0)

THe partygoers mustov had lots of donuts.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-05-02 19:24:04 Reply Private Reply

#3: Lod To: BTP Holdings (#1)

You forgot to zip your pants.

Lod posted on 2020-05-02 19:34:13 Reply Private Reply

#4: StraitGate To: Horse, Ada, NeoconsNailed, Lod (#0)

A couple of my cousins German studied at the Culinary Institute of New York. They can cook like Babbette. But I'd bet they couldn't make barbecue that would cut any Carolina mustard.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-02 21:22:04 Reply Private Reply

#5: Lod To: StraitGate (#4)

Years ago I bought a case of sauce from a Carolinian BBQ guy who was being persecuted for displaying the colors proudly.

Can't remember his name or his business, but that mustard sauce doesn't cut it in Texas: we're red sauce all the way.

Lod posted on 2020-05-02 21:38:47 Reply Private Reply

#6: StraitGate To: Lod, NeoconsNailed (#5)

I'm right on the line here. To the north -- in North Carolina -- they tend toward mustard or even just plain vinegar. Farther south in South Carolina it tends to get redder. I like it all.

The man's name was Maurice Bessinger. We Southern Patriots used to meet and strategize at his Battle Flag adorned restaurants. Sadly, after his death his children truckled to our enemies.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-02 21:57:37 Reply Private Reply

#7: BTP Holdings To: StraitGate (#4)

I'd bet they couldn't make barbecue

When I worked for the State Highways in Illinois, we would sometimes go into a BBQ in Algonquin, Illinois. It was named The Texan, Real BBQ.

They had three types of BBQ sauce, mild, hot and Flammable (it had the haz mat sticker on it).

I preferred the mild sauce, but I learned how to tolerate hotter stuff later on. ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-02 22:14:29 Reply Private Reply

#8: Lod To: StraitGate (#6)

The man's name was Maurice Bessinger. We Southern Patriots used to meet and strategize at his Battle Flag adorned restaurants.

Thank you!

Do you remember the year that he was under such heavy attack and was soliciting help on local micro-broadcasters and a few websites?

Lod posted on 2020-05-02 22:14:49 Reply Private Reply

#9: BTP Holdings To: Lod (#3)

You forgot to zip your pants.

Nah. I was in public. You don't think for a minute I would expose myself, do you? ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-02 22:28:42 Reply Private Reply

#10: StraitGate To: Lod (#8)

I remember when -- emboldened by the Flag's removal from atop the SC Statehouse -- all the big chain grocery stores colluded to try to put him out of business by refusing to sell his BBQ sauce. He sued them all but lost in court.

But I don't recall his being on any micro-broadcast programs, or which particular websites he was on.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-02 22:38:19 Reply Private Reply

#11: Lod To: BTP Holdings (#9)

I thought that was why they called you Caballero Grande.

Lod posted on 2020-05-02 22:39:36 Reply Private Reply

#12: Lod To: StraitGate (#10)

It very to most likely was on Alex Jones' (GCN) micro broadcast here. I'll sleep on it.

Lod posted on 2020-05-02 22:42:47 Reply Private Reply

#13: NeoconsNailed To: StraitGate, Lod (#6)

Right -- he had been a segregationist hero and the gunned for him for the rest of his life. His book is a major document of race history -- completely reasonable and normal views. A great read for our kind of ppl

Defending My Heritage: The Maurice Bessinger Story

www.amazon.com/Defending-My-Heritage-Maurice- Bessinger/dp/0971336911

DON'T order from Amazon -- they merely had the shortest URL ;)

NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-05-02 22:55:31 Reply Private Reply

#14: NeoconsNailed To: StraitGate (#4)

Hahaaa, literally and figuratively ;)

NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-05-02 22:56:14 Reply Private Reply

#15: Fred Mertz To: Lod (#11)

I thought that was why they called you Caballero Grande.

Reminds me of an old Army tale.

It's Friday after work and GIs need to sign out on pass/liberty before heading off the installation.

The First Sergeant is at his desk for the event. He lines up three boxes of rubbers on his desk for the young GIs to choose from. He labels them S, M, and XL just for laughs.

Fred Mertz posted on 2020-05-02 22:58:37 Reply Private Reply

#16: BTP Holdings To: Fred Mertz (#15)

He lines up three boxes of rubbers on his desk for the young GIs to choose from. He labels them S, M, and XL just for laughs.

I always thought those were one size fits all. LOL

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-02 23:02:39 Reply Private Reply

#17: Lod To: StraitGate, everyone here (#10)

here's an excellent story about Maurice Bessinger, his politics and his food

www.charlotteobserver.com...ink/article119660858.html

Lod posted on 2020-05-02 23:03:49 Reply Private Reply

#18: StraitGate To: Lod (#17)

One of their first moves was to replace the Confederate flag with the American one.

So the Confederate States of America weren't American? That's news to me.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-02 23:18:36 Reply Private Reply

#19: BTP Holdings To: Lod (#17)

From the link:

"African slaves “blessed the Lord” for slavery."

I am sure they thanked the Lord for hog jowls and chitterlings too. ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-02 23:27:20 Reply Private Reply

#20: BTP Holdings To: StraitGate (#18)

So the Confederate States of America weren't American?

Do you know what caused the Confederate Sates to secede? ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-03 08:17:25 Reply Private Reply

#21: Lod To: BTP Holdings, StraitGate, 4um (#19)

He may have been referencing Muhammed Ali ne: Cassius Clay saying, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat."

A bit off on the timeline, but everyone knew what he meant.

Lod posted on 2020-05-03 08:18:57 Reply Private Reply

#22: BTP Holdings To: StraitGate (#18)

So the Confederate States of America weren't American?

Do you know why secession can never happen again? ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-03 08:19:26 Reply Private Reply

#23: BTP Holdings To: Lod (#21)

Cassius Clay

He was drafted. I heard he was in the U.S. Army induction center. By this time he had already changed his name to Muhammad Ali.

They were announcing, "Cassius Clay! Cassius Clay!"

This white guy sitting next to him said, "I don't know who this guy is, but he's in a lot of trouble." ROTFLOL

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-03 08:23:20 Reply Private Reply

#24: BTP Holdings To: Lod (#11)

Caballero Grande.

That was the three Mexicans who sat at the bar in Carol's Pub in Chicago.

One time a buddy of mine had parked and was walking across the street to join us inside.

A squad car with three cops in it pulled up and one of them said to him, "Come here."

He asked, "What do you want?"

They asked him, "What are you doing here?'

My buddy said, "I meet a couple of friends here for a few beers. Why are you asking?"

One of the cops said, "Someone just shot three niggers over on Wilson Ave and we think he came over this way."

Carol's Pub was a hillbilly bar.

One time I was in there two guys went outside to fight. The crowd gathers around to watch. One of them knocks the other down and someone standing there said, "That's it. Now you got him down. Kick him in the head. Put the boot to him."

Another time these two black guys walked in and tried to buy beer with the old paper food stamps.

The bar tender hollered, "Get the hell out of here." One of the blacks started to shoot his mouth off.

The doorman was this stocky little dude with a biker chain for a belt. He knocked that guy out with one punch. The other ran for the door. He hit him in the back of the head. He fell up against the door knob and they threw them both out in the street. ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-03 08:39:37 Reply Private Reply

#25: StraitGate To: BTP Holdings (#20)

Yes, I've read the secession declaration of every state that seceded. My state's is chiseled on a stone plaque in the Statehouse.

These documents list the reasons for seceding. But politicians have been known to lie now and then, so I don't take them as Gospel.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-03 11:31:17 Reply Private Reply

#26: BTP Holdings To: StraitGate (#25)

My state's is chiseled on a stone plaque in the Statehouse.

The stone plaque tells the whole truth.

The reason secession can never happen again is the creation of the Corporation known as THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The States are subdivisions of the corporation.

This was done by the Act of 1871 which created a government for the District of Columbia. ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-03 11:40:45 Reply Private Reply

#27: StraitGate To: BTP Holdings (#22)

Do you know why secession can never happen again? ;)

There are many reasons why no state will attempt to secede now or in the foreseeable future. First and foremost is that there isn't a single state legislature in this cursed union with even 5% of its members who would support secession.

My state is called the Seat of Secession. Some of its legistraitors descend from Confederate heroes, and they often grovel the most abjectly seeking absolution for their fathers' sins.

From a technical standpoint, it could be argued no state that entered the union after July, 1861 has any grounds for claiming the right to secede, as the general government had already asserted the right -- and demonstrated its willingness -- to invade that state and murder its citizens for doing so. South Carolina and the other twelve original colonies were recognized as free and independent states in the Treaty of Paris (1873). Few or none of these states would have ratified the new Constitution if they had understood that the government they were forming would have the right to invade, plunder, burn, ravage, and murder that state if it later decided to leave the new union.

To be sure, there were individuals who desired and plotted to form an all-powerful central government, and the Constitution is full of weasel words and phrases that quickly led to that. But by and large, the state legislatures then were less statist than the prime influencers in Philadelphia, and they would not have acceded to the union if they had understood that the government could burn their cities, ravage their countrysides, and murder their citizens if they ever tried to leave.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-03 12:08:10 Reply Private Reply

#28: Fred Mertz To: BTP Holdings (#23)

Cassius Clay
He was drafted. I heard he was in the U.S. Army induction center. By this time he had already changed his name to Muhammad Ali.

A friend of mine was drafted and inducted on the same day. He said he heard Clay's name called out numerous times at the facility. He never showed up to no ones surprise.

Fred Mertz posted on 2020-05-03 14:03:50 Reply Private Reply

#29: BTP Holdings To: Fred Mertz (#28)

He never showed up to no ones surprise.

I wonder how they fit Ali into the scheme of things? ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-03 15:49:59 Reply Private Reply

#30: BTP Holdings To: StraitGate (#27)

Treaty of Paris (1873). Few or none of these states would have ratified the new Constitution if they had understood that the government they were forming would have the right to invade, plunder, burn, ravage, and murder that state if it later decided to leave the new union.

The Treaty of Paris was 1783.

I doubt that the southern states that seceded would have done so if they had realized what the outcome would have been.

Grant's march to the sea caused Georgia to howl. The pillaging and plundering and looting was rampant.

The reason they did secede was over States Rights. Slavery was not an issue until Lincoln issued the Proclamation in 1863.

Lee's invasion of the North and the fight at Gettysburg broke the back of the South. Lee took a long gamble and failed.

The war dead were buried right up to the front step of Lee's mansion in Virginia. This became the Arlington National Cemetery. ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-03 16:38:27 Reply Private Reply

#31: StraitGate To: BTP Holdings (#30)

Slavery was not an issue until Lincoln issued the Proclamation in 1863.

Yes, 1783, thanks. That's what I meant.

Slavery most certainly was an issue appertaining to secession -- and thus the War -- prior to 1863. Read the Southern states' secession declarations; some of them, like the Declaration of Independence, decry the respective belligerent government's interference in that institution. The states that seceded later didn't have to -- all the justification they needed to cite was that the US government had invaded and was waging war against their sister states.

Mr. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was issued in 1862; it purported to become effective in January, 1863.

Before 1863 Mr. Lincoln did not promote ending slavery as a cause or justification for his War. How could he? Slavery was still legal in some of the united states and some US territories. But when the fullness of time was come, he cast his rampage as a moral crusade, and the Yankees haven't come down off their high holy horse yet.

July 3-4, 1863 was a bad couple of days for the South. On the 3rd Lee lost at Gettysburg. On the 4th Vicksburg fell, and she didn't celebrate the Yankees' 4th of July for the next 80+ years. Most Southerners today exuberate over "Independence Day", not apprehending the irony.

Arlington? -- I'd rather my body were sliced up and eaten by Nepalese vultures than be buried in that stolen Yankee cemetery.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-03 18:59:41 Reply Private Reply

#32: Lod To: StraitGate (#31)

dialing it back to BBQing -

I'm betting the yanks don't know the difference between BBQing and grilling, and I really doubt there's very much residential BBQing going on in the city.

ICBW

Speaking of slow cooking, the temp here is 96, feels like 102. Ridiculously warm for early May. Thank goodness for HVAC.

Lod posted on 2020-05-03 19:58:14 Reply Private Reply

#33: StraitGate To: Lod, Ada (#32)

NYC is renown for its restaurants, but like you, I suspect that good Southern barbecue is like hens' teeth there.

I was hoping that Ada might weigh in on that subject? ...

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-03 20:02:46 Reply Private Reply

#34: BTP Holdings To: StraitGate (#33)

good Southern barbecue is like hens' teeth there

It is that way in most places north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Except for The Texan Real BBQ in Algonquin, Illinois. I would stop in the for lunch at every opportunity when working for State of Illinois and on the west end of Arlington yard's territory.

They had three types of BBQ sauce, mild, hot and flammable. ;)

BTP Holdings posted on 2020-05-03 20:22:01 Reply Private Reply

#35: StraitGate To: Lod (#32)

96 on May 3rd? Whoa.

My comfort zone is 82-92. Drove down through Laredo one July day many years ago. 106, felt like 140.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-03 20:42:05 Reply Private Reply

#36: Lod To: StraitGate (#33)

Thanks for playing the hens' teeth card, it certifies your southeron-ness.

Lod posted on 2020-05-03 20:42:40 Reply Private Reply

#37: StraitGate To: BTP Holdings (#34)

They had three types of BBQ sauce, mild, hot and flammable.

Sounds good!

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-03 20:51:52 Reply Private Reply

#38: Lod To: All BBQ Lovers Here (#36)

one of Austin's finest since '75

Lod posted on 2020-05-03 20:54:00 Reply Private Reply

#39: StraitGate To: Lod, Barbeconnoisseurs (#38)

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-03 21:59:56 Reply Private Reply

#40: Lod To: StraitGate (#39)

A+ a most excellent tutorial, thank you.

Butcher paper wrap is a key stage of the process.

I'll take all the lean and the cook can have all the fat. Chow!

Lod posted on 2020-05-03 22:42:40 Reply Private Reply

#41: Lod To: StraitGate, 4um (#39)

About 40 years back, I made one using a portable DW, installing an adjustable smoke stack, pinning the controller to DRY, and putting a large pie tin on the heating element for the soaked hickory chips.

Fantastic results and it's still sitting in the garage patiently waiting for another load of meat.

Lod posted on 2020-05-04 08:50:29 Reply Private Reply

#42: Ada To: StraitGate (#33)

I was hoping that Ada might weigh in on that subject? ...

Southern cooking, yes, but in the form of soul food. Sylva's in Harlem is famous although overrated.

You can get southern bbq in NYC but its probably better elsewhere.

Ada posted on 2020-05-04 10:55:39 Reply Private Reply

#43: NeoconsNailed To: Ada (#42)

Ironically, I never heard of Southern BBQ till I moved back to Dixie at age 39 ;)

NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-05-04 11:04:53 Reply Private Reply

#44: StraitGate To: Lod (#41)

Interesting. What type of meat did you cook in it?

Do you have a temperature control system? Or does the heating element stay on all the time? If it's on all the time, what's the internal temperature?

Is there an air inlet?

Does the plastic coating on the rack hold up to the heat?

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-04 20:22:11 Reply Private Reply

#45: StraitGate To: Ada (#42)

Thanks for that. Four of those 9 restaurants appear to offer barbecue, and a couple of them look pretty good. Pick-A-Bagel!? -- Those Foursquare City Guiders must have a good sense of humor -- or just bad sense.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-04 21:48:07 Reply Private Reply

#46: Lod To: StraitGate (#44)

The temp was whatever the Dry cycle generated and I've never used a meat thermometer, so I have no clue. I didn't worry about oxygen since there was no fire, wanted or needed.

My greatest triumphs were 16+# holiday turkeys which cooked for 10-12 hours, or until they looked golden crispy done to me.

No damage to the racks whatever. The smoke-stack, in hindsight, was prolly unnecessary, but it surely made things smell scrumptious in our cul-de-sac smoking away in the driveway.

The idea came from a back-page story in Popular Mechanics about a fella who converted an olde refrigerator into a smoker, and I extrapolated that idea to a portable DW that a tenant left behind when they moved.

Lod posted on 2020-05-04 22:14:34 Reply Private Reply

#47: Ada To: Lod (#46)

My greatest triumphs were 16+# holiday turkeys which cooked for 10-12 hours, or until they looked golden crispy done to me.

Weren't they a bit dry?

Ada posted on 2020-05-05 10:08:10 Reply Private Reply

#48: Lod To: Ada (#47)

Absolutely not, that's what made them a triumph I failed to describe properly. Nothing much worse than the typical dryness of most turkey.

Thanks for that clarification point.

This is making me want to roll the machine out again.

Lod posted on 2020-05-05 10:33:37 Reply Private Reply

#49: StraitGate To: Lod (#46)

OK, thanks for the good info. Sounds good.

StraitGate posted on 2020-05-05 12:16:44 Reply Private Reply

Source:	https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nypd-dispatches-1000-cops-stop-new-yorkers-barbecuing-saturday
Published:	May 2, 2020
Author:	Tyler Durden
Post Date:	2020-05-02 18:41:55 by Horse
Views:	3874

NYPD Dispatches 1,000 Cops To Stop New Yorkers From Barbecuing On Saturday