And you can't run effectve propaganda without respectable atmospherics.

The Germans liked Wagner. That worked for them.

Instead of WWIII perhaps it will known as the LAST world war???

I think the Pike letter is fake for number of concrete reasons,

Many learned people also considered Pikes letter to be a fraud, especially since his WWIII prediction centered on the nation of Israel, which did not exist until 1947.

In 1947 the Allies "created Israel" angering the Muslim world. Since that time, Israel has been a powder keg waiting to explode. In 1956 Israel invaded Egypt, dragging France and Britain with them, Russia threatened to intervene. Eisenhower kept his cool, told Russia to stay out, told Jews and France and Brits to go home.

I thot I was going to go for another foreign tour.

At that time Pikes fake letter sure seemed authentic.

I haven't seen anybody trace these paragraphs back farther than that.

The diagnostic thing is the word "Nazism", reproduced in some quotations as "Naziism". This word did not exist in 1871, the year that this letter from Pike to Mazzini was supposedly written.

The etymological works note the work "nazi" in the 1880s in the southern German-speaking area where it meant a country bumpkin - an "Ignaz". (Rhymes with red-hots.) This expression is not otherwise attested to until the 1920s in Germany when nationalism and socialism became welded together as a political force in response to defeat, economic catastrophe and bolshevism.

In 1926, Goebbels published a pamphlet titled "Nazi-Sozi" in which compared and contrasted conventional Marxism and National Socialism. This seems to be the earliest attested use of the term "Nazi" as a political expression in print. Anyone might correct me if I'm wrong. Anywho, this word dropped out of favor as National Socialists came to power. The term became derogatory and National Socialists referred to themselves or each others as "party members".

It is a strange word to see in a document written in 1871. Just wouldn't be there. It's like seeing a reference to the Ku Klux Klan in a letter by Daniel Webster or to read Ralph Waldo Emerson complaining about the Bull Moose Party in an essay of his. It is just not on.

What time period was Pike letter first said to be a hoax? Was it afore Israel was created?

the 1920s in Germany when nationalism and socialism became welded together as a political force in response to defeat, economic catastrophe and bolshevism.

When the Nazis were burning books they specifically burned those by Karl Marx. ;)

What time period was Pike letter first said to be a hoax?

Perhaps the time period around 1966 when Carr's book came out.

This letter is too cute by far. All the major players are there, and if you're looking for an explanation of all this shite on a grand scale, it's all baked in.

I apologize for raking all this over. It is not the first time I've posted on this topic. It resurfaces from time to time - comes back like a bad penny.

There is an illuminist elite at work out there. We see it at work in the pedophile-fraud-extortion networks embedded in all of our important institutions. Going down false rabbit trails tends to discredit critics I think.

Now I will shaddap.

Happy Independence Day!

Same back at ya. ;)