Horse posting much garbage.

It is a regional Navy but if you look at the world and add up the Chinese, Russian and Iranian Navies, they all add up to doom for the US. Their ships are cheaper to build. And their missiles are far superior. Russia can launch a missile, have it go into orbit and come down thousands of miles away destroying a much larger and more expensive aircraft carrier.

Doom????

That statement is so ludicrous that it tests ones idea of sanity.

Is there even one shred of reality and logical thinking there?

Russia’s New Hypersonic Missile Travels Nearly Two Miles a Second

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a25684396/zircon-hypersonic-missile/

'Battleship' Killers: The Best 5 Anti-Ship Missiles on the Planet

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/battleship-killers-best-5-anti-ship-missiles-planet-77866

Every statement I made is true.

Russians see defense spending as a way to protect Russians.

Protect Russians????

That displays total lack of knowledge of the Russian military.

Anyone interested in current military affairs will find that the past and current LARGEST segment of the total Russian military is their...PARATROOP DIVISIONS...

Paratroops are OFFENSIVE forces not DEFENSIVE.

Russia has the worlds largest offensive paratroop army in the world to protect Russians?????

By contrast the the US has 60,000 JSOC troops who do lots of Dirty Work all over the world. That is in addition to our paratroopers.

Russia is a regional power. They have 60,000 paratroopers.

Bummer when one has to look on Wikipidia to inform themselves. Wiki says 60,000 paratroops...but HORSE conveniently left off Wiki saying Russia would have 72,000 by 2019.

That is dishonest Horse.

Anymore Freedom 4um has a tag team of anti American posters. ADA and Horse.

I saw the line that said they intended to increase their numbers if future years but did not see when.

However, Russia is cutting down the size of their military. They are shifting to mobility. The US is the one pushing troops into Poland in violation the US made to Gorbachev during the BUSH I admin.

Anymore Freedom 4um has a tag team of anti American posters.

I'll stand to the death with you OM.

We deserve better than this as does the brother that you lost in WWII.

My Dad died in the Philippines, just took him until 1976 to formalize the deal at 49.

The US is the one pushing troops into Poland

The U.S. actually wants to expand NATO into Ukraine.

The U.S. sent 150 tanks to the east but Russia has 1,500 tanks opposing them.

And you wonder why Russia feels threatened? Ukraine was the bread basket of Russia before the Bolsheviks screwed up everything with their collectivization.

After the Soviet Union collapsed when their invasion of Afghanistan failed, we figured we won the cold war.

One thing you must also realize is that we brought Heinrich Mueller, former Chief of Gestapo here from Switzerland (Operation Paperclip) where he escaped to at the end of the war. U.S. representatives went there in 1946 to interrogate him.

They asked him about Hitler. Mueller replied, "You could try Spain." Then he added, "Perhaps the Russians can go to Barcelona and ask Franco about him. They might end up buried in an Orange Grove." Then he told the Americans, "And if you went there you might end up buried in the next Orange grove over."

They brought Mueller from Switzerland to the U.S., gave him a rank of Major in the U.S. Army and he played the piano for Harry Truman. The reason Mueller was brought here is because his specialty was Soviet counter-intelligence. And we all know where the Soviet Union is today.

But Trump needs to do one thing and that is to team up with Putin to help him "fight the evil in the world." ;)

Freedom 4um has a tag team of anti American posters. ADA and Horse.

All right thinking people are anti US foreign policy.

Without looking, answer this question...

When was the last time Russia interfered militarily in US affairs???

When was last time US interfered in Russian affairs?

I trust you will answer from knowledge and education, not from Wiki leaks.

How many countries does the US have military bases in? 70 countries Despite recently closing hundreds of bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad—from giant “Little Americas” to small radar facilities. The US has 400,0000 more military active than Russia.

Below is a map of Russian military bases. Looks like a regional non-intervening power except for Syria where they are protecting Syria from Al Qaeda, ISIS and the US.

No argument from me on worldwide bases. Been to a few in the past.

My personal view is bring them all home.

But then what might be the consequences. America haters here seem unaware of consequences.

I am anti-Zionist and anti-Federal Reserve. I support 100% money which is non-interest bearing Treasury Notes like Lincoln's Greenbacks combined with repeal of fractional reserve banking.

I was opposed to Spanish-American war, WW I, WW II and would have avoided Korea and Vietnam because I never would have allowed Communism to exist and would never have given North Korea to Stalin.

I did think that the Mexican-America war of 1846-1848 was great.

The Rothschilds killed Lincoln to end Greenbacks. The Jews killed McKinley to make Theodor van Rosenfeld President. He split the Republican vote and got us into WW I, a Jewish enterprise.

Israel did 911. And there was no Holocaust.

The Jewish Lobby flooded the US with legal and illegal aliens. American wages started to decline after we reached 150 million people.(And 20 million of the 150 million were Jewish.

I am pro-American. I just despise the government.

I am pro-American. I just despise the government.

And the fiat-money banking system.

I am not an America hater.

That being a truism, I would strongly suggest a more balanced study of past history and present circumstances.

Sticking our heads in the sand to hide from the world leaves a part of us exposed.

FDR played nice for years and half a million kids died. No thanks.

For Russia intervening militarily in US is when the tsar sided with Lincoln in the Civil War and sent ships.

And for the US intervening in the USSR, that was when the US sent that expeditionary force in an unsuccessful attempt to aid the White Russians.

FDR played nice for years and half a million kids died.

On Iwo Jima the Japs were ordered to leave their hidey holes and retake Mt. Surabachi. They knew if they did it would mean certain death.

The Japanese resistance on Iwo Jima and Saipan was the most intense of the war in the south Pacific. Japan had 900,000 Army troops on the Japanese mainland islands. And many of the civilians would do their best to oppose an invasion of the Japanese homeland. U.S. troops would have o be brought over from the U.S. and that meant a 2 month long voyage on the high seas.

Only Truman deciding to use the A-bomb was what caused the Japs to surrender. And you have to remember that Tokyo was fire bombed just like the Allies did to Dresden.

After the surrender American troops found a cave in the mountains where they were working on their version Me-262 jet fighter that Germany had given them the plans for. Luckily, they were not far enough along to put one in the air. ;)

And for the US intervening in the USSR, that was when the US sent that expeditionary force in an unsuccessful attempt to aid the White Russians.

Very good and WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE US FEARED A RUSSIAN INVASION???? And what did the government decide to do???

That is is not a trick question.

Horse should know the answer, or figure it out.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE US FEARED A RUSSIAN INVASION

The Russians are coming! The Russians are Coming!

There's also those devious f#@%ers north of the border. Never telling what they are up to.

"In 1921, Canadian Lieutenant Colonel James "Buster" Sutherland Brown drafted what can be called the Canadian version of War Plan Red, Defence Scheme No. 1. According to the plan, Canada would invade the United States as quickly as possible if evidence of an American invasion was found. The Canadians would gain a foothold in the northern U.S. to allow time for Canada to prepare its war effort and receive aid from Britain. They would also destroy key bridges and railroads. The plan had detractors, who saw it as unrealistic, but also supporters who believed it could conceivably have worked." - Wiki-Invasion of the United States

The US has never realistically "feared" an invasion by anyone since 1812.

Lod...

That is not correct and I will steer you to the information on the internet that will explain it in great detail. It will explain the "fear", the reality and the reaction taken by our military AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL..IT WILL TELL YOU POINT BLANK WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS READY AND WILLING TO DO.

I was there, took part, never knew until years later what the hell we were doing.

Horse is so wrong, so uninformed, so misguided BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT INTENDED IT THAT WAY. Our government was very concerned and willing to sacrifice.

Go bother someone else.

No wonder the socialist/communist left is bringing this country to its knees. They make good use of those fellow travelers that aid and abet their final goal.

A shallow grasp of history and poor interpersonal conduct is a poor admixture.

The US needs to project military might as a way of preserving the dollar as the world reserve currency. This requires things like aircraft carriers and bases all over the world. Big ships are required for that. The fall of the USSR means Russia has been forced out of the capacity of empire. They are now on the defensive with a NATO country now bordering Russia. With a budget on par with Italy, they no longer have the capacity to do anything other than build defensive weaponry. Russia spends far more on their military than the USA as measured as a % of GDP, but of course that's still far less in raw spending than the USA does.

Because of that, they need to be frugal and smart about their spending, so they focus on appropriate weapons accordingly. Ergo, it ends up being missiles galore, both anti-aircraft and anti-ship (including submersive nuclear drones with a 3k mile range), as well as, reportedly, these strategic nukes that have "unlimited range" and able to maneuver around anti-missile defensive positions. Reputedly their S-500 anti-aircraft missiles are capable of taking out incoming ballistic nukes.

The USA, by contrast, probably suffers from extreme overconfidence, and understandably so, as the USA is the current world superpower. The ability to deficit spend with no real checks & balances has created an environment of waste on systems that may or may not be useful or effective.

The biggest national security threat the USA faces is not Russia. Not Iran, North Korea or even China (though I rate China as the foreign country that is the biggest threat). The biggest threat is the national debt and deficit. If the dollar collapses, then the USA ceases to be a world superpower. With just 5-6% of world's population, we'll have about that same amount of say in world affairs, and that is after the country gets back on its feet again, which requires and end of marxist socialism that is currently taking hold.

I will steer you to the information on the internet that will explain it in great detail. . . IT WILL TELL YOU POINT BLANK WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS READY AND WILLING TO DO.

I credit your sincerity, Cyni.

However, please be so kind as to put the thesis in a few words without resorting to the guessing game.

There are many threats to this nation in the name of individual nations or groups or designated practices (like printing money) or philosophies (like marxism). Many things could be characterized as significant perils that might lead us in some way to destruction.

A link is OK, but it never hurts to be explicit using in plain English.

Thank in advance for your attention, olde paint.

(The Canada thing was a gag, by the way.)

the Japanese offered to surrender on the same terms the US accepted in 1945.

Would you have a link that shows this?

The U.S. was making plans to invade Japan. U.S. troops would have had to sail for two months to get to Japan in order to invade.

The Battles of Iwo Jima and Saipan were a forebear of what would be waiting when the 900,000 Japanese Army troops opposed the invasion of Japan. And even civilians would oppose the invasion using Bushido as their means to fight.

It would have been brutal and the Japs would have resisted with every fiber of their souls.

They were not being liberated, but conquered. ;)

Chicago Tribune History

Michael A. Hoffman II

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p508_Hoffman.html

the Japanese offered to surrender on the same terms the US accepted in 1945.

Would you have a link that shows this?

The assertion may well be true, then again there were Japanese and then there were Japanese.

A good portion of those in political life were able make a reasonable calculation and sees that Japan's material position was unsustainable and understand that defeat was on the horizon. Events of giant import were necessary to suppress the militarists and to drag the Emperor to the microphone and declare the inevitable words of surrender.

It's nice to imagine that there could have been a fair or equitable or reasonable resolution to the war in the Pacific, but that's unlikely to have been the end of such a brutal, brutal struggle. I've talked to guys that were at places like Iwo Jima. (They are gone now.) The savagery of the fighting on Japanese soil was unimaginable for those who had never been near it.

A good portion of those in political life were able make a reasonable calculation and sees that Japan's material position was unsustainable and understand that defeat was on the horizon.

The Japs knew they could never prevail in an extended war with the U.S. since the U.S. was an economic powerhouse.

The military wanted to sue for peace. But after the simultaneous attacks on Pearl Harbor and Manilla all bets were off and the U.S. went to an all out war footing.

My Mom was in love with a SeaBee but he got killed in the South Pacific. Then she met my Dad as a dance hall. She always told my two sisters, "Don't ever marry someone you meet at a dance hall." :-/

And then I say, "Always marry somebody a little smarter than yourself!" ; )

Why we went to war in Vietnam - Michael Lind, The American Legion, 2012

Interesting stuff in this article, not that I agree with every point. Hell, I found it because I was trying to back up my idea that most US wars since WWII (lol, I know, none of them are "wars", Congress, declarations, and all that) were for the sole purpose of supporting narrow business interests of well connected elites. Vietnam had nothing to do with fighting Communism, it was about getting tin for 5 cents a ton cheaper than we could buy it on the free market.

French Indochina

In 1952 Truman, military realized that Russia could land 50,000 troops in Alaska BECAUSE WE HAD NOTHING TO DEFEND IT WITH.

The government was willing to write Alaska off. Truman and Hoover sent FBI agents to Alaska to recruit and train spies that would be left behind. Volunteers were equipped with radios, codes, arms etc. That was 1952.

Alaska would be written off. We had no manpower as we were fighting China in Korea. Truman feared Stalin would INVADE Alaska.

It is all on the internet for those that care to educate themselves.

In 1953 and 1954, we took many aircraft to Alaska, made penetrations to demonstrate different possible russian incursions.

But one place had army boots on the ground in the snow fighting the supposed "enemy". As air fforce, we wondered who this enemy was in the minds of Washington. The answer was simple.

We were only allowed to make high level penetrations, no mid level.

It went on for two weeks ,

Air defense knew we were coming and many still managed to get into deep Alaska.

We were never told the FEAR Washington had about Alaska.

Truman lost his nerve, fired MacArthur and Stalin knew he was free to move if he desired. WE HAD NOHING TO STOP HIM IF HE INVADED ALASKA.

In winter in Alaska, nothing moves except by air.

From the air we watched army grunts wallowing in the snow, fighting a mythical enemy. They knew, we knew it was not the Canadians they were preparing for.

The experts here on 4um never heard of the FBI last ditch effort, claim we have never feared invasion and paratroops are for internal protection. they make me sick.

claim we have never feared invasion and paratroops are for internal protection.

The movie Red Dawn drove the liberals up the wall. ;)

Israel Killed JFK And Has Ruled America Ever Since.

https://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/israel-killed-jfk-and-has-ruled-america-ever-since/

I'm putting these observations into the bigger picture.

(Sorry about the small joke about Canada.)

Ben Gurion wanted him dead

The motto of Mossad is, "By way of deception thou shalt do war." ;)

(Sorry about the small joke about Canada.)

Later in life I wondered if Russia took Alaska, WOULD CANADA FIGHT??? What would have been your opinion at that time???

at that time???

At that time I was a little dot riding around on a tricycle, and my chief amusement back then was running down all the adults I could target.

But also at that time Canada was still filled with lots of rough tough Cannucks, many of them vets, glad to grind some Soviets into the dirt if they'd a been dumb enough to violate Canadian borders.