The gun was part of plot but why did Baldwin fire it. Was he following the script or just getting the feel of it? If part of the script, why did the director and cinematographer get hit rather than another actor?

I get what you are asking, and Baldwin does seem stupid enough to just be playing, acting tough as it were. But depending on the scene, either of the shoot-ees (I refuse to call them victims at this juncture) conceivably could have been in very close proximity.

I hear she swallows...

The thing that's pissing me off is that someone over there either overfilled the trash can, or missed it entirely, and since yesterday morning there is a small pile of trash sitting on their driveway, spilling out into the street. Spic Jr was sitting in the driveway all afternoon playing on iPad, would have taken him like 3 minutes to clean it up, but I guess I will have to just because I'm a greedy capitalist that only cares about property values. That and I didn't want to get into a fight if I went over there while Jr was watching. I think I could take him, but if they call police it's just not worth going to jail for being a good person.

The Powers That Should Not Be will do anything to get where they want to go, and they know the sheeple are absolute suckers for melodrama -- the faker the better.

...it's just not worth going to jail for being a good person.

Sometimes you just gotta do, what you gotta do. Granted, it gets tiresome after about the tenth time. Just remember, when your cellmates ask you what you're in for, tell 'em you dindu nuffin.

remember, when your cellmates ask you what you're in for, tell 'em you dindu nuffin.

Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray, and Fasha the dog. And living in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Having all that room, seeing as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn't have to take out their garbage for a long time. We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it would be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump

So we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW Microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the city dump. Well, we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the Dump saying, "Closed on Thanksgiving". And we had never heard of a dump closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage. We didn't find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the side road there was another fifteen foot cliff, and at the bottom of the cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we decided to throw ours down. That's what we did, and drove back to the church, had a Thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat, went to sleep and didn't get up until the next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie.

He said, "Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage." After speaking to Obie for about forty-five minutes on the telephone we finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
And pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the police officer's station. So we got in the red VW Microbus with the shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the police officer's station

Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at the police station, and the first was that he could have given us a medal for being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and we didn't expect it, and the other thing was that he could have bawled us out and told us never to be seen driving garbage around the vicinity again, which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station, there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on." He said, "Shut up, kid. Get in the back of the patrol car."

And that's what we did, sat in the back of the patrol car and drove to the, quote, "Scene of the Crime," unquote. I want tell you about the town of Stockbridge, Massachusetts, where this happened here, they got three stop signs, two police officers, and one police car, but when we got to the "Scene of the Crime" there was five police officers and three police cars, being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to get in the newspaper story about it. And they was using up all kinds of cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station; they was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and they took twenty-seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles, and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was, to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach, the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to mention the aerial photography

After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your wallet and your belt." And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings." I said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?" Obie said he was making sure, and friends, Obie was, cause he took out the toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars, roll out the - roll the toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape. Obie was making sure, and it was about four or five hours later that Alice (remember Alice? It's a song about Alice), Alice came by and with a few nasty words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back to the church, had another Thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat, and didn't get up until the next morning, when we all had to go to court

We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty-seven eight-by-ten color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, sat down. Man came in said, "All rise." We all stood up, and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the twenty-seven eight-by-ten color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog and then at twenty-seven eight-by-ten color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry, 'cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American Blind Justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and the judge wasn't going to look at the twenty-seven eight-by-ten color glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. And we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but that's not what I came to tell you about

The gun was loaded with ONE live bullet which could have struck anyone at any time. The chain of custody on that gun revolves around 3 people, including Baldwin. So at any point someone could have put a live round in there. The issue for me is that with this bit of news, Baldwin failed in the adherence of the first rule of simple gun safety. Don’t point a gun, live or prop at anyone.

He could have killed another actor at any point in the shooting of that film.

That being said, He may actually get into a lot of legal issues as the result of all of this. His actions leading to, and after the event are going to haunt him. I would not have wished that on anyone, even Baldwin. The issue for me is that the lefties in this country will find a way to spin this into their favor, even though it was one of their own who did this through simple carelessness and negligence.

The gun was loaded with ONE live bullet...

I'm wondering when they're going to get around to blaming that on Trump. Maybe tomorrow, they figure nobody watches the news on weekends.

The fact that he pointed the gun and said that surely proves malice i.e. motive so the law has no way around throwing the book at him -- which it won't do, alas. Safety-wise this is the equivalent of driving through a red lite in a busy city, so it'll set terrible precedents when he beats the rap with 100 hours of community service or whatever.

Why would live rounds -- with real bullets -- ever be used "when filming a close-up scene"?

Are Hollyweird "prop guns" real, fully functional guns? Was this a real, fully functional .44 Magnum or .44 Special revolver?

Sounds like a freak shot for the history books.

Not so freaky. A .44 magnum bullet will easily pass through a human torso. Most loadings of the lower powered .44 Special caliber will too, but not as readily.

Trained shooters always consider the fact that a person or a game animal when shot might not stop the bullet, and that whatever or whoever is behind the target is also at risk of being hit.

Are Hollyweird "prop guns" real, fully functional guns?

Just remember the McCloskey's from suburban St. Louis who were brandishing firearms.

It turned out the pistol Patricia McCloskey had was a non-functional movie prop that did not even have a firing pin in place. ;)

the pistol Patricia McCloskey had was a non-functional movie prop

That would explain the casual and careless way she was wielding it.

The NY Slimes is saying "the tip of .44 caliber bullet had become lodged in the gun's barrel when filming a close-up scene, and dislodged when a blank cartridge was fired."

We've heard this from various sources, and that is probably the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. I can't believe such a statement came from a national rag. Or maybe I'm overestimating them.

If "the tip of .44 caliber bullet had become lodged in the gun's barrel when filming a close-up scene," it would have been immediately recognized as a ballistic disaster, and the firearm would have been pulled for repair or retirement.

Only a certified moonbat would have considered reloading such a firearm for any purpose. There are a ton of loony stories circulating around this event. No telling how and for whom they will be spun.

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wikid: "In a sworn affidavit, a detective stated that Baldwin was handed the prop by assistant director Dave Halls rather than by the set's weapons master: neither Halls nor Baldwin knew it was loaded.[73] Hours before Baldwin fatally shot Hutchins, seven unionized crew members, who were protesting unsafe working conditions, were told to leave the set, with a producer threatening to call the police if they did not leave, and were replaced by non-union members.[74][75] There was no union prop master present on the set during the incident.[76]"

seven unionized crew members, who were protesting unsafe working conditions, were told to leave the set, with a producer threatening to call the police if they did not leave, and were replaced by non-union members.[74][75] There was no union prop master present on the set during the incident.[76]"

Someone is culpable in this. But who exactly? ;)

Are Hollyweird "prop guns" real, fully functional guns? Was this a real, fully functional .44 Magnum or .44 Special revolver?

I'll put down a nice Morgan Dollar on it that this movie co. used a good old single action Colt like anyone can find at the corner gun store.

If the cylinder will allow the load of a whole magnum round, the barrel will no doubt spit the bullet out when the hammer's cocked and the trigger is pulled -- to deadly effect when aimed.

I would bet also that some asshole slipped a live round in the chamber when no one was looking as a revenge move and got just what he was hoping for.

Nasty, nasty Hollyweird.

I'll put down a nice Morgan Dollar on it that this movie co. used a good old single action Colt like anyone can find at the corner gun store.

You win the prize. It was being used for "target practice" after hours, most likely a .45 long Colt.

I've had a farmer put one into a tree trunk once to advise me it was time to leave.

Don't remember if it was a 44 or a 45 but it would take a chunk out of a tree or out of your ass.

I would bet also that some asshole slipped a live round in the chamber when no one was looking as a revenge move and got just what he was hoping for.

I think we have a winner here, thank you.

That would explain the casual and careless way she was wielding it.

"Never flourish your weapon and don't draw unless you intend to fire." - Teddy Roosevelt

I would bet also that some asshole slipped a live round in the chamber when no one was looking as a revenge move and got just what he was hoping for.

Yeah, it was probably that pesky ol' orange man bad.

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I would bet also that some asshole slipped a live round in the chamber when no one was looking as a revenge move and got just what he was hoping for.

Nasty, nasty Hollyweird.

Didn't the Producer of this film fire some union people and put scabs in their place? I think so.

Those union people are in charge of props and they can easily sabotage things. ;)

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Didn't the Producer of this film...

That would be one, Alec Baldwin.

Produced by
Alec Baldwin ... producer
Kc Brandenstein ... co-producer
Allen Cheney ... executive producer
Matt DelPiano ... producer
Tyler Gould ... executive producer
Matthew Helderman ... executive producer
Nathan Klingher ... producer
Anjul Nigam ... producer
Emily Hunter Salveson ... executive producer
Ryan Donnell Smith ... producer
Luke Taylor ... executive producer
Ryan Winterstern ... producer

Look at the first executive producer... You don't suppose?...

why did the director and cinematographer get hit rather than another actor?

director and cinematographer both antivaxing trump supporters so it seems.

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"Never flourish your weapon and don't draw unless you intend to fire." - Teddy Roosevelt

I know that's a popular adage, but it's not always the best advice. In lots of cases the mere brandishing of a firearm has caused a miscreant to turn tail and run.

mere brandishing of a firearm has caused a miscreant to turn tail and run.

You need to ask those two black guys in Chicago who were in the wrong neighborhood stirring up trouble on the night before one neighbor was going to throw a block party for his daughter who was turning 16.

I went to the house and grabbed the Mini-14. I chambered a round when I came out the door.

When they saw that, they floored it and blew the stop sign at the corner getting out of there.

They said, "We got something here that is gonna blow your shit away."

I called their bluff and that was the outcome.

I knew a detective in Chicago P.D. He told me, "If they said they had a gun, they probably did."

But there were friendlies in the line of fire anyway and I really did not want to hit any of them. ;)

Allen Cheney

I checked him on IMDB and he is not related to the former Vice President. ;)

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it appears that these anti-gun Hollyweird leftists were using the "prop" guns for recreational shooting between scenes. Real guns, with lots of live ammo around on the set.

Not a blank cartridge dislodging wadding or a previously stuck-in-the- barrel bullet, or any of that poppycock.

it appears that these anti-gun Hollyweird leftists were using the "prop" guns for recreational shooting between scenes.

And they drive around in the prop cars. The firearms are almost all off the shelf weapons. Revolvers don't need any kind of modification, where most semi or full auto guns either have a constricted barrel (pistols typ) or a constricted flash hider (rifles typ) so that the blank charges develop enough gas pressure to cycle the action.

For scenes where someone is being hit with a gun like a baseball bat, a rubber prop is used typically. Blanks are dangerous because of the high pressure gas and waddings. You can be badly injured or killed with an air nozzle on an air compressor.

Reporters and firearms just don't get along, but I'm sure the CIA will get them squared away. I think Trump Jr. has a T-shirt for sale that says: 'Guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people'. There's a wee bit o' animosity betwixt them.

Your knowledge here is impressive.

I've had some weapons training here and there.

Did you ever work in movies?

Not exactly. I'm familiar with some of Michael Mann's productions. He's very detail oriented. 'Thief', 'Heat' and the 'Miami Vice' TeeVee show come to mind.

(Edit) I was one of two actors in a training video a long time ago for a logistics/moving company. It was a favor for a friend. It was a bitch, took over 40 hours for a 45 minute production. I've got a VHS copy laying around somewhere.

The definition of prop gun seems to be quite hazy.