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#1: StraitGate    To: Horse (#0)

I'd like to see the specs on that median 1912 house versus those of 2022's median house.

StraitGate posted on 2022-01-29 21:01:18   Reply   Private Reply

#2: Dakmar    To: StraitGate (#1)

This article is bullshit, in my opinion. A factory worker in 1890 may have lived in a bigger house, but it would have been with a much larger extended family. Farm families (a few of them) may have been better off, but most city dwellers were living in squalor in the days before refrigeration, electricity, automobiles, and paved roads.

Dakmar posted on 2022-01-29 21:11:15   Reply   Private Reply

#3: Horse    To: StraitGate (#1)

Because of inflation in LA the houses were probably better built then than now though without the modern electronics. In San Jose the houses that were $25,000 in 1966 are now all over $1,000,000 due to over population and inflation. Inflation has cut the size of 2 by 4s.

Horse posted on 2022-01-29 21:11:45   Reply   Private Reply

#4: Lod    To: Dakmar (#2)

Agree, my gut calls BOGUS on this article.

Lod posted on 2022-01-29 22:08:17   Reply   Private Reply

#5: Dakmar    To: Lod (#4)

I have always admired your common sense.

Dakmar posted on 2022-01-29 22:23:36   Reply   Private Reply

#6: Esso    To: Lod, 4um (#4)

Agree, my gut calls BOGUS on this article.

I don't even know what a 'gilded age peasant' is.

Esso posted on 2022-01-29 22:50:53   Reply   Private Reply

#7: Ada    To: StraitGate (#1)

In 1932 my parents bought a house in Paterson NY (then a decent city) for $2,000 and, yes, it had electricity and indoor plumbing.

Ada posted on 2022-01-29 23:16:41   Reply   Private Reply

#8: Dakmar    To: Ada (#7)

At $5/day (what Ford was paying from 1914 on) that would be in the neighborhood of $1300/year. In High School, we were taught that the basic estimate on how much house one could afford was 2.5*annual wages, so that sounds pretty affordable.

I thought 2.5*annual wages was nuts, people have to eat, too.

Dakmar posted on 2022-01-29 23:26:06   Reply   Private Reply

#9: StraitGate    To: Ada (#7)

Interesting. Do you know if the house is still standing, and what it's worth today?

StraitGate posted on 2022-01-29 23:29:03   Reply   Private Reply

#10: Pinguinite    To: Esso (#6)

I don't even know what a 'gilded age peasant' is.

That's because you are a lifetime privileged aristocrat! And probably a racist one at that!

Pinguinite posted on 2022-01-29 23:30:28   Reply   Private Reply

#11: Dakmar    To: Pinguinite, Esso (#10)

That's because you are a lifetime privileged aristocrat! And probably a racist one at that!

Word is that Esso was one of the original colonial settlers of Fort Wayne. Shame on you Esso, killing all those Apaches.

Dakmar posted on 2022-01-29 23:35:03   Reply   Private Reply

#12: Esso    To: Pinguinite, 4um (#10)

That's because you are a lifetime privileged aristocrat!

Lord yes, and don't any of you forget it. A buck-something an hour at the local Micky D's at night in the 70s when I wasn't in high school, now I'm THE KING OF THE WORLD. Remember that or I'll mandate more vaxxes.

Esso posted on 2022-01-29 23:50:45   Reply   Private Reply

#13: Esso    To: Dakmar, 4um (#11)

Word is that Esso was one of the original colonial settlers of Fort Wayne.

One of? THE ONE. Fuck them Ki-Ki-Ongas.

Esso posted on 2022-01-29 23:52:33   Reply   Private Reply

#14: Dakmar    To: Esso (#13)

Kekionga

+100 for knowing your history. -5 on spelling. :)

Dakmar posted on 2022-01-29 23:56:11   Reply   Private Reply

#15: Esso    To: Dakmar (#14)

-5 on spelling.

Close enough for rock-n-roll...

Ashamed to waste that Auto Mag and the whale tail Porsche...

Esso posted on 2022-01-30 00:10:54   Reply   Private Reply

#16: StraitGate    To: Dakmar (#14)

Those Northern Indiana Indians were Miami tribe.

StraitGate posted on 2022-01-30 00:20:59   Reply   Private Reply

#17: Esso    To: StraitGate, 4um (#16)

Those Northern Indiana Indians were Miami tribe.

Thanks for the refresher, I knew Cherokee was wrong, but I thought they were out west for some reason.

Sent a text pic. I knew I saw that logo on something else other than a cop's badge. I don't know how to go from phone to interwebs. I'm lucky to work the phone without the squirt here.

Esso posted on 2022-01-30 00:36:31   Reply   Private Reply

#18: StraitGate    To: Esso (#17)

We used to have a lot of Cherokees around here, but in 1838 the US Army drove them out and marched them (those who survived) to what is now Oklahoma. Some evaded capture; they're mostly in North Carolina now.

StraitGate posted on 2022-01-30 00:47:00   Reply   Private Reply

#19: Ada    To: StraitGate (#9)

Do you know if the house is still standing, and what it's worth today?

$325,000 as of 2020

Neighborhood is considerably worse.

Ada posted on 2022-01-30 07:03:35   Reply   Private Reply

#20: Ada    To: Dakmar (#8)

I suppose you could buy a house these days for 2.5 annual salary, depending on where you live, but it would be difficult.

Ada posted on 2022-01-30 07:08:35   Reply   Private Reply

#21: Esso    To: Ada, 4um (#20)

I suppose you could buy a house these days for 2.5 annual salary, depending on where you live, but it would be difficult.

Or you could buy a property that should've been condemned for four times the price it's worth and keep dumping money into it until you go broke.

I'm trying to help a buddy out that's about a hundred grand under water on a fifty grand project.

When do you get a gambler to stop? I suppose if he lives to be four thousand year old, he'll make out.

Why do you think I have to buy Tums in 5 gallon buckets?

Everybody thinks they're gonna get rich doing nothing. Don't work that way. I don't work too much anymore. I never get paid.

I do it for fun, so I can say, "I told yo so, dumbass!"

Esso posted on 2022-01-30 07:43:32   Reply   Private Reply

#22: NeoconsNailed    To: Horse (#0)

That seems a real stretch. The Gilded Age wealth gap in UK was extreme as so often in British history.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-01-30 07:49:42   Reply   Private Reply

#23: Horse    To: NeoconsNailed, Esso (#22)

America had lots of open real estate back in 1912. US population was 92 million. We have 241 million more people today. That is one reason why land and homes were cheaper. The other was that there was no federal income tax, no Social Security tax, no state income tax and not a lot of bureaucrats getting in your way.

Horse posted on 2022-01-30 07:57:34   Reply   Private Reply

#24: NeoconsNailed    To: Horse (#23)

All true and interesting, but I'm afraid you'd have a hard time convincing the peasants of Dickens' time of your thesis ;)

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-01-30 20:57:13   Reply   Private Reply

#25: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed (#24)

Big amen.

Lod posted on 2022-01-30 21:00:01   Reply   Private Reply

#26: NeoconsNailed    To: Lod (#25)

Thanks. I idly imagine a day when real estate prices take a serious plunge because of falling population, some real plague or whatever. Preferably not the great final crash! Will there be any hint of this in NY, CA etc as their citizens keep leaving in droves?

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-01-30 21:06:28   Reply   Private Reply

#27: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed (#26)

Absolutely correct, real estate prices are strictly determined by supply vs. demand. I'm now in the process of cashing-in my real estate chips.

Lod posted on 2022-01-30 21:49:14   Reply   Private Reply

#28: NeoconsNailed    To: Lod (#27)

Because they're way up high now -- or on the edge of a precipice? ;)

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-01-30 22:44:36   Reply   Private Reply

#29: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed (#28)

Sky high and climbing.

Lod posted on 2022-01-30 22:48:29   Reply   Private Reply

#30: Horse    To: NeoconsNailed (#24)

Dickens was living in an over crowded nation with a Jewish government. In 1912 we had fewer than 100 million people. We did not have to import natural resources. Wages in the US were a third higher than Europe. But land was still cheap. And we had no FED and no taxes.

Horse posted on 2022-01-30 23:57:48   Reply   Private Reply

#31: NeoconsNailed    To: Horse (#30)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_ Jungle

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-01-31 09:00:19   Reply   Private Reply

#32: Lod    To: Horse (#30)

We still have all the natural resources needed here. It's fedgov rules, regulations, and policies that are holding US back today.

Lod posted on 2022-01-31 12:15:11   Reply   Private Reply

#33: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed, all (#31)

great example of how fedgov effs things up

https://modernfarmer.com/2022/01/usda-catfish-inspection-rule/

Lod posted on 2022-01-31 14:13:40   Reply   Private Reply

#34: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed, all (#31)

great example of how fedgov effs things up

modernfarmer.com/2022/01/usda-catfish-inspection-rule/

Lod posted on 2022-01-31 14:14:02   Reply   Private Reply

#35: Horse    To: Lod (#32)

Fed rules and regulations are holding us back. But there was no FED and no IRS in 1912. And we did not have to import raw materials then. Today we have 240 million more people who bid up the price of land making affordable housing impossible. We did not start importing raw materials until our population went past 150 million in 1950.

Horse posted on 2022-01-31 16:50:14   Reply   Private Reply

#36: NeoconsNailed    To: Lod (#34)

Awful. And the damned things eat blue crab? Thanks for nothing all over again, Uncle Sugar!

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-01-31 17:56:05   Reply   Private Reply

#37: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed (#36)

Love us some catfish out here, slathered with some zippy red cocktail sauce. Nothing much better.

Lod posted on 2022-01-31 21:28:00   Reply   Private Reply

#38: NeoconsNailed    To: Lod (#37)

I'm sure it is -- I try to follow the Bibble's dietary laws so won't be enjoying any.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-02-01 04:32:59   Reply   Private Reply

#39: Lod    To: NeoconsNailed (#38)

With the abundance of catfish, talapia, and mullet in the Jordan River and the Sea of Galilee, I'm guessing that all the locals have enjoyed catfish from day one, including the scribes and pharisees and all the other Talmud contributors.

Lod posted on 2022-02-01 10:32:56   Reply   Private Reply

#40: NeoconsNailed    To: Lod (#39)

Seriously doubt that even though (as a rabbi I once worked under used to say) today's jews are the biggest gobblers of shrimp lo mein et al.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-02-01 11:20:09   Reply   Private Reply

#41: Lod    To: All (#39)

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Lod posted on 2022-02-01 12:42:16   Reply   Private Reply

#42: NeoconsNailed    To: Lod (#41)

Each of those creatures had to die to give somebody 5 seconds of dining pleasure.

NeoconsNailed posted on 2022-02-01 14:06:01   Reply   Private Reply