https://www.barrons.com/news/ai-relies-on-mass-surveillance-warns-signal-boss-20280d0a

AI Relies On Mass Surveillance, Warns Signal Boss

The AI tools that crunch numbers, generate text and videos and find patterns in data rely on mass surveillance and exercise concerning control over our lives, the boss of encrypted messaging app Signal told AFP on Thursday.

Pushing back against the unquestioning enthusiasm at VivaTech in Paris, Europe's top startup conference where industry players vaunt the merits of their products, Meredith Whittaker said concerns about surveillance and those about AI were "two framings of the same thing".

"The AI technologies we're talking about today are reliant on mass surveillance," she said.

"They require huge amounts of data that are the derivatives of this mass surveillance business model that grew out of the 90s in the US, and has become the economic engine of the tech industry.

https://apnews.com/article/google-ai-overviews-96e763ea2a6203978f581ca9c10f1b07

Cats on the moon? Google's AI tool is producing misleading responses that have experts worried

Ask Google if cats have been on the moon and it used to spit out a ranked list of websites so you could discover the answer for yourself.

Now it comes up with an instant answer generated by artificial intelligence -- which may or may not be correct.

“Yes, astronauts have met cats on the moon, played with them, and provided care,” said Google’s newly retooled search engine in response to a query by an Associated Press reporter.

It added: “For example, Neil Armstrong said, ‘One small step for man’ because it was a cat’s step. Buzz Aldrin also deployed cats on the Apollo 11 mission.”

None of this is true. Similar errors — some funny, others harmful falsehoods — have been shared on social media since Google this month unleashed AI overviews, a makeover of its search page that frequently puts the summaries on top of search results.

I refuse to marry either of you! :)

The 40 hour work week was established due to the work of Henry Ford as he discovered that productivity quality dropped off after that many hours a week. The 40 hours wasn't settled upon because society/economy needed it, but because it was the most that could be efficiently provided by a quality worker.

Fast forward to today, and production can be maxed out with less than 40 hours of human work per worker. So fewer peolpe are needed to make things or the same number of people could work fewer hours for maximum production.

But then with less employment, how can workers make enough to buy what's needed? Unemployment goes up because fewer people are needed, and then homelessness goes way up like it is now. It's easy to then see the logic of concluding the world is full of too many useless eaters that should be exterminated with a vaccine.

But I'm not sure there's an ethical solution to a world where anything can be produced cheaply but without having anything close to the whole world working to produce those things.

Farming is only one general area of economic production in an economy.

Without food we are all dead.

My big, big question is why are we importing "migrants" (with all the problems they bring) to do work that could/should be done by citizens who are getting a free ride rather than working for a living. It sure as hell seems cheaper to bus morons from Joliet to Des Plaines rather than bus morons from Guatemala while paying for the morons already in Des Plaines to live in Section 8 apartments and do nothing but have more moron babies.

Motives vary.

The migrants want to get out of poverty. They are in poverty in their home countries in part because the US dollar is the global reserve currency. It allows the US to constantly run a trade deficit. We export freshly printed cash -- electronic cash at that -- in exchange for the labor and production of the world. That lets the US basically enslave the world, depriving them of the goods and services that are being unfairly sent to the USA. So the world exports goods to the USA, and the USA replies sends cash dollars that basically go only to the elite in these 3rd world countries, not to the populous.

Those in poverty see the US awash in cash and want to claim their share, so they migrate to the USA.

US Elite are happy to have them come for political power purposes.

End the US global reserve currency status and the trade imbalance ends, which brings average people in 3rd world countries more access to goods that are currently being unfairly sent to the USA.

That's my theory, anyway.

The 40 hour work week was established due to the work of Henry Ford as he discovered that productivity quality dropped off after that many hours a week. The 40 hours wasn't settled upon because society/economy needed it, but because it was the most that could be efficiently provided by a quality worker.

I sometimes work 60 hours a week, but need a nap sometimes :)

Henry Ford also introduced the $5/day in 1914, but there were strings attached, namely his spies would watch you night and day and if you drank/danced/rented a room to family/failed to attend church/smoked/swore you only got the 3.00/day base pay.

Don't get me wrong, I think Henry was a genius, but for fucks's sake let's not celebrate him as some sort of libertarian idol, right?

Melting Pot Ceremony at Ford English School, July 4, 1917

US Elite are happy to have them come for political power purposes.

Correct - even cheaper labor than getting the idle welfare class to work. Do you you see the problem with that?

Democrats are scum, but so are Republicans.

End the US global reserve currency status and the trade imbalance ends, which brings average people in 3rd world countries more access to goods that are currently being unfairly sent to the USA.

Made up fractional reserve bullshit never ends well. Like any other politically enforced lie. Don't expect to hear that on the news...:)

Are you still there? lol

See Horse, I love you too!

Don't get me wrong, I think Henry was a genius, but for fucks's sake let's not celebrate him as some sort of libertarian idol, right?

I don't think what I said celebrated him but it seems he was the first to actually care or notice that there was a limit to how productive a human could be.

My point was that in the current age of robotic industry, it's possible that all people could be supplied with basic needs with the average work week being somewhat less than 40 hours a week.

I worked with a guy who was from a very upperclass (and very leftist) background, had a MBA and he told me outright it was cheaper to keep blacks on welfare than to let them destroy small businesses through ingrained incompetence.

Though the fact that poverty & welfare increases birth rates should also be considered.

I don't think what I said celebrated him but it seems he was the first to actually care or notice that there was a limit to how productive a human could be.

To me, Henry Ford's genius was in recognizing the idea that workers should be able to to buy the products of their labor. Mass production by the masses for consumption by a small elites tends to have limited appeal once the novelty wears off, seems like chores, lol.

My point was that in the current age of robotic industry, it's possible that all people could be supplied with basic needs with the average work week being somewhat less than 40 hours a week.

My question is "is it wise" to just crank out a consumer class of primates (including white people) just because it is technologically possible?

I don't think what I said celebrated him but it seems he was the first to actually care or notice that there was a limit to how productive a human could be.

As a programmer, I love Henry Ford. I break every chore into the simplest steps possible. In 1913 that meant having Worker-X put screw-A into hole-B a thousand times a day, because Worker-X was probably an idiot and that was the best way to utilize the manpower Worker-X brought to the table. Unfortunately, I still deal with workers who would best be utilized if I had a hole for them to drop a screw into. Human nature, but that type should be discouraged from breeding. Or at least not subsidized to breed with food stamps, Section 8, and free cable so they can watch PMSNBC. :)

They showed this to my third grade class. Crime against humanity? Genocide? Child abuse?

beans

We were working Northwestern football games in Dyche Stadium in Evanson, Illinois.

I cut a stinky fart and this girl in the stands was waving her hand in front of her face.

My black partner told me, "Eat some more beans." LOL

he was the first to actually care or notice that there was a limit to how productive a human could be.

the average work week being somewhat less than 40 hours a week.

There are limits to one's endurance. But the Illinois State Highways did not care since in winter on the weekend we were called in 3 hours early for an 18 hour shift. That was 21 hours on the clock. I had to stop to nap a couple of times toward the end of that one.

It is hard to sleep in a day cab, but we had hard hat with a liner to keep the ears and neck warm in winter. You simply pull over and put out the headlight and put the plow down. You swing your legs across onto the passenger seat with plow controls between your legs, put your head in the corner of the cab and nod off.

You know you been sleeping when you wake up and the windshield is snow covered.

I work with several people that are mentally impaired. We currently work 6 hour days. One of the worst off only works a half day until lunch. He always says to me, "I go home before you do."

Big freaking deal. ;)

That was 21 hours on the clock.

I'm pretty sure that violated OSHA regs. I don't think they make exceptions for civil emergencies.

I'm pretty sure that violated OSHA regs. I don't think they make exceptions for civil emergencies.

It was our job to keep the roads open. Some storms were so heavy the roads were closed for days on end.

One time they called for the loaders from the gravel pits with 7-yard buckets. The guy gets there and opens to door, "Where do you want it?" We told him, "Anywhere. Just get it off the road."

He was throwing scoops over the guard rail. There was a flash of color. We stopped him. He threw a car over the guard rail.

We put a chain on it and pulled it back up and set it on the road. There wasn't a scratch on it. The snow acted as a buffer. ;)

It was like one show at the World Music Theater in Tinley Park, Illinois. I was standing on the ramp that was where the back stage entrance was at.

These four body builder dudes bullied their way down front and tried to slide into the 2nd row. I jumped off the ramp and said, "Get out of here NOW!"

One guy wanted to stand in my face but his buddy grabbed his arm and dragged him away. They slid into the sides of the rows above. So, I lined up some back up. We had Vinnie White on our crew. He was our body builder.

Then i wen t and picked the wimpiest one oof the four. 'let's see your ticket." "You have a Lawn ticket. You can't be down here."

They tried to surround me. I flashed the flashlight and see bodies coming my way. I put up the flashlight and turn around. The same guy that was standing in front of me before was standing there again. I said to him, 'You don't understand English/ You have to go upstairs. He wouldn't move so I hit him under the Pecs and rocked him back on his heels.

The guy behind him threw a beer in my face. I wiped it out of one eye THATFAST so I could see. I knocked this guy into the wall and went after the guy that threw the beer in my face.

I caught him around the corner at top of ramp. Frankie was by the front gate. he told the cops, "Look. Fight."

Then that guy I knocked into the wall grabbed my shirt with both hands. I said, "Get our hands off me." I knocked his hands off and reached up and pulled him down into a headlock. Then I put my arm on the other guy's throat. I had two of them.

By the time the cops got there from the front gate the fight was over.

Guys were coming from under the pavilion to get in on the fight. One of our guys standing at the top of the ramp didn't make a move to try to help. He wanted to shake my hand.

I told him, "Next time you stand there and do nothing to help, I'm going to kick your ass too."

Some of these guys wanted to be on the crew so they could listen to the music. They weren't about to get into any altercations.

Besides, how do you think those four guys got down front? The got past HIM. ;)

Google it.

Never fuck with Deep State sanctioned hippy plants, I guess?

"they all had victim faces" - Keith Richards

Never fuck with Deep State sanctioned hippy plants, I guess?

Never fuck with CIA agents named Pam.

She was a hottie back in the day. She was retired in 2008.

Never fuck with CIA agents named Pam.

I used to work with a guy from Lebannon, early 90's, super nice guy, Lebanese Christian, reminded me of Danny Thomas a little. Always wore weird suits which looked like the were designed about 1961 for Dick Van Dyke, but they were always clean and neatly pressed, I figured he had bought them back home.

Anyway, his work started to deteriorate, at the same time he started telling me about domestic troubles. Turns out his wife was CIA (and Syrian, if I remember correctly). Last time I spoke with him I had been drinking and started in with "fuck CIA" goofy shit, he freaked and hung up. I don't blame him, I don't have the weight to keep him safe and he knew it. I'm just a smartass with a sharpened pinky nail.

1) Lucky - I met with her in Wisconsin, gave her a Cowboy Junkies CD and never heard from her again

2) Zipporah - met her in 2007 at Ron Paul meetup. I didn't know how to use the hotel phone, but eventually got through and we went for Greek food. She was kind enough to indulge me in search for a comb which I had neglected to pack, so we stopped at like four different gas stations, lol. I was used to having a CVS on damned near every corner, but even that is no more.

Why do you think Doc worries about me? I cook for her. She want's loyalty?

When I was sending flowers to my buddies funerals last week, I sent flowers to the only GF extant trying to get into her pants. She got a kick out of it.

I don't burn bridges.

Did you bang them? That's all I care about.

Wasn't even on my agenda, so no. Christ, Esso, you are starting to sound like my Dad. I told him to Fuck Off too, lol.

I don't burn bridges.

I do, because I'm a music snob. :)

I'm a music snob.

I know that. The only music I know is from Miami Vice or the 105.1 country channel here when I'm in my car.

That show was a feel good thing for me and the fellas and gals. When the Cold War ended, we we're "out in the cold" so to say. Most expatted, some didn't and tried to go dark. It was a different game back then.

When I was sending flowers to my buddies funerals last week, I sent flowers to the only GF extant trying to get into her pants. She got a kick out of it.

I know that. The only music I know is from Miami Vice or the 105.1 country channel here when I'm in my car.

You know the Happy Happy Joy Joy Song! Isn't that enough?