Israel is defending themselves. Hamas, Iran, Hezbolah would do the same and worse to Israel if they could.

So they sacrifice their children by firing from schools, hospitals etc.

A nation doesn't have to let their people be attacked and has a right to respond.

Muslims don't want Israel to exist.

I am not saying every picture there is because the muslims hid behind their children and bombed israel from schools, hospitals etc. But i'm sure many are.

Ever see pictures of the holocaust. That is what the Muslims want to do again.

So although it is sad that children are dying. It is Hamas and Irans fault for starting it and still holding hostages.

So it is not right to just blame the victors because they are better at it.

Modern war weapons make it a certainty that the losers will suffer like this.

I don't mean to sound like an ogre or an evil person because I am not.

I'm probably not the best at explaining it there are people smarter than I am who could make a better case than me.

I just thought I would give you the respect of trying to answer your question.

You are a good person and it is understandable that those images would disturb any reasonable good person.

So maybe I don't really have the answer.

Mankind can and does do cruel things to each other.

I'll add this. Just because they are Gods chosen people doesn't mean that they do right all the time. Maybe it means that God chose them to deliver his message to mankind and give us the Bible and Jesus.

I'll leave it at that. I don't really want to get into a contentious debate about it. Just trying to give you some respect.

Take care.

At least at one point, the IDF has used AI to decide which buildings to target. AI. So there's no active combat involving buildings that are targeted. They let an experimental computer system just pick one out and they drop a bomb on it. And the IDF routinely just plants explosives on buildings and destroys them, so those buildings are already secured from Hamas militants but the blow them up anyway.

Some 130 Journalists have been killed. Israel targets them as well because no war is complete without PR warfare.

You are right though that we won't agree. As I see it, you've got your head stuck up in a bible so far you cannot even look around at what's actually happening and make common sense judgement on what's actually happening. You cling to a religious theory even when it defies what's going on in the real world.

I do hate Israel. I want it shut down. Didn't think this way 1 year ago, but now I do. Israel has proven it's an uncivilized people. I do not believe there is any divine power behind it. I do, however, see that it is powered by human will. The power of the human mind to believe things that are not true is absolutely enormous, even to the point of bringing a new country into existence.

This will end eventually, and I predict Israel will annex northern Gaza, which I say was the plan all along. But then there will be a censuses of survivors and then we'll have a far better idea of how many Palestinians have been killed in Gaza and I'll be surprised if it's not in the hundreds of thousands. And that wouldn't include so many maimed for life.

the complete and absolute , lack of humanity is a red flag to the rest of humanity.

Some 130 Journalists have been killed.

What do they consider a journalist? A pro Palestinian terrorist propagandist that works for Hamas. Like several Al Jazera propagandists?

You need to show the circumstances of these alleged killings.

Israel doesn't target legitimate journalists to the best of my knowledge.

It's hard to get past your early sentence "Israel is defending themselves".

Oh they definitely are.

If the Hamas terrorists wouldn't have murdered 1200 Israelis and raped many of them. How many muslims would be dead? Like zero in all likelihood.

How many of those kids above would be alive if the terrorist state of Iran didn't fund Hamas and Hezbollah and give them money to attack Israel? Probably all of them. So it is 100 percent kook muslims fault.

Do you deny that the muslims fight from hospitals and schools? It is well documented.

Most people who are against Israel don't like them becasue they are jealous of the Jews. They don't like God or his Bible and it came from those dirty Jews so that is why they hate them. They want so bad to not be accountable to Gods word so they think that if they destroy the Jews then they can prove the Bible and the God of the Bible is a fraud. That will not happen. The Jews will win and their history will continue. The history of many nations and people trying to exterminate them will end in failure once again. Because like it or not they are Gods chosen people and he will defend them in the end.

Some think it is a coincidence that this is going down just like the Bible predicted. The whole world turning against Israel and Armageddon and all that stuff. It is no coincidence that much of the world buys satans lies about Israel, Christians and the Bible. Yes he is real and if people don't believe that it is because they are deluded and they decided on their own to reject Gods word.

I think the Jews decided that they aren't going to line up in line for showers only to be gassed by evil people.

The people who are against Israel have a position kind of like if someone robs a convenience store and the driver gets killed in gunfire after the robbery and they blame the store owner.

Any reasonable person knows that Israel warns the people to evacuate when they are going to bomb. Do the terrorist scumbags in Hamas or Hezbollah do that? No they don't

The list is endless of Muslims breaking cease fire agreements and so called treaties.

Israel has decided that they don't have to appease terrorist scum bags anymore. But the terrorist scum bags hide behind women and children because they are evil people who like to have dead kids for propaganda. That is why they are known to put their kids in suicide vests and tell them to die for Allah and they will get 12 virgins to screw when they die. Kook religion that has no place on earth if people want to live in harmony.

those dirty Jews

𝟏𝟔 𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐞 (𝐝𝐢𝐫𝐭𝐲 𝐉𝐞𝐰𝐬) 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐮𝐧𝐤 𝐮𝐩𝐨𝐧 𝐦𝐲 𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐧, 𝐬𝐨 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐝𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲, 𝐲𝐞𝐚, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐝𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐤, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐰𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰 𝐝𝐨𝐰𝐧, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧.

𝟏𝟕 𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐮𝐩𝐨𝐧 𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭 𝐙𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬; 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐉𝐚𝐜𝐨𝐛 (𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥) 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬.

𝟏𝟖 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐉𝐚𝐜𝐨𝐛 (𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥) 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐉𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐩𝐡 (𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥)𝐚 𝐟𝐥𝐚𝐦𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐄𝐬𝐚𝐮 (𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐫𝐭𝐲 𝐉𝐞𝐰𝐬) 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐭𝐮𝐛𝐛𝐥𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐯𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦; 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐫𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐄𝐬𝐚𝐮 (𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐫𝐭𝐲 𝐉𝐞𝐰𝐬); 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐤𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐭. (Obadiah v.16-18)

The "dirty Jews" as you call them (your words), are the synagogue of Satan, heathen according to God...a cancer on the Earth...soon gone forever!

Yes he is real and if people don't believe that it is because they are deluded and they decided on their own to reject Gods word.

You aren't fooling anyone.

You're the one rejecting God, mocking God, heading for the Lake of Fire.

You have no fear of God, or Eternity.

FAFO

Judgment Against Edom (Verses 1-9):

The chapter begins with a divine vision received by Obadiah, spelling out God's impending judgment on the nation of Edom. Despite its sense of security derived from its lofty mountainous dwellings, Edom is to be brought low because of its arrogance and self-reliance.

Reasons for Edom's Punishment (Verses 10-14):

Edom's coming destruction is explained in the light of its mistreatment of Israel, its brother nation. When foreign invaders sacked Jerusalem, the Edomites not only stood by and did nothing, they took advantage of the situation, participating in the plunder and preventing the Israelites from escaping.

The Day of the Lord (Verses 15-18):

Here Obadiah extends the prophecy to encompass all nations, not just Edom, with the "Day of the Lord" -- a time of divine retribution where deeds are paid back in kind. For Edom, this would mean total destruction, signified by the metaphor of stubble consumed by fire.

Restoration of Israel (Verses 19-21):

In stark contrast to Edom's fate, Obadiah concludes with a promise of hope and restoration for the Israelites. They will reclaim their lost territories, and a savior will rise from Mount Zion to judge the mountain of Esau (Edom), signaling the Lord's enduring kingdom.

Obadiah 1, the singular chapter in the Book of Obadiah, stands as a poignant testament to divine justice and the consequences of arrogance and betrayal. The shortest book in the Old Testament, Obadiah is a prophecy against the kingdom of Edom, a nation descended from Esau, the brother of Jacob (Israel). The chapter starkly portrays the looming downfall of Edom due to its pride and mistreatment of Israel, its brother nation. Still, within its grave warnings, it also holds a glimmer of hope for the restoration of Israel.

You aren't fooling anyone.

You lie for Hamas and say they didn't rape anyone and October 7 was make believe.

So that makes you non credible and a propagandist. Why do you deny what happened to start this war? Why did you lie?

You hold the cloaks of those who did this...

You are a propagandist for Hamas and terrorists. I'm sure you are probably on a watch list.

But honestly neither you or me know the story of that picture.

It could be a Hamas mis fire. It could be a kid someone's parents left in a war zone while firing on Israel with a child in the proximity. It could be a missed target from Israel targeting a legitimate target that was firing on them. It could be indiscriminate bombing by Israel. That is the truth. You don't speak the truth but just push an agenda that everything is Israels fault.

The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers. The bombs were timed to detonate several hours after closing time. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian communists, "unspecified malcontents", or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.[2] The operation caused no casualties among the population, but resulted in the deaths of four operatives. The overseer of the operation allegedly informed the Egyptians, after which 11 suspected operatives were arrested. Two died by suicide after being captured, two were executed by the Egyptian authorities, two of them were acquitted at trial, and the remaining five received prison terms ranging from 7 years to life in prison.

The operation ultimately became known as the "Lavon affair" after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign as a consequence of the incident. Before Lavon's resignation, the incident had been euphemistically referred to in Israel as the "Unfortunate Affair" or "The Bad Business" (Hebrew: העסק הביש, HaEsek HaBish). Israel publicly denied any involvement in the incident until 2005, when the surviving agents were awarded certificates of appreciation by Israeli President Moshe Katsav.[3]

At least I took the time to respond. Sounds like it might be true from my 3 min I looked at it.

That is 70 years old.

And I never owned a slave, but guess which tribe set up the NAACP and ran it until 1955?

At least I took the time to respond. Sounds like it might be true from my 3 min I looked at it.

Appreciate you at least considering there may be some truth outside of politics. I rarely use Wikipedia as a reference on political or social topics because it is slanted so far left/statist. With an unhealthy dose of Chosenite narrative.

You are a propagandist for Hamas

You're just boring...

Go back to your dead forum, child killer.

watchman posted on 2024-10-24 20:56:46 ET

When Jesus said, “Judge not lest you be judged,” He wasn’t talking about never judging anyone. He was saying that the standard you use to judge others will be the standard he uses to judge you.

You called me a child killer because I support Israel. That is factually incorrect.

You called me one because of images posted that are purported to be a tragic photo of a child killed by Israel.

You are against Israel and you lied for Hamas and said October 7th didn't happen.

Here is a photo of a baby killed by the people you lied for.

So by your own standard you are a child killer. I'm urging you to repent and apologize for your own good.

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

I know we can all get carried away in a forum discussing issues we are passionate about.

Just giving you a chance to be a better person.

Did you fact check any of the photos you posted? and if so how many? and are any of the images you posted fake or AI generated?

FYI

futurism.com/the-byte/dead-children-images-ai

Fake AF A striking number of viral photos on both sides of the Isreal-Hamas conflict have been revealed to be AI fakes — and according to experts, the problem is only going to get worse.

In interviews with the Associated Press, researchers from multiple firms and organizations tasked with verifying the truthfulness of online claims said that there has been a grim influx of faked AI images featuring butchered children that are used to cast blame on each side of the bloody conflict between Israel and the terrorist group Hamas.

Imran Ahmed, the CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, said that whether people share out-of-context images from the long list of previous conflicts in Israel/Palestine or newer digital dupes — or in some cases a combination of the two — the heartstring-tugging effect is the same.

"People are being told right now: Look at this picture of a baby," Ahmed said. "The disinformation is designed to make you engage with it."

While this is far from the first conflict in which AI-manipulated propaganda has been used — Russia's invasion of Ukraine has also brought about a similar spate of digital fakes — the fake photos of dead or injured children are not only a particularly gruesome instance of the technology's cruel power, but also a harbinger of worse things to come.

"It’s going to get worse — a lot worse — before it gets better," Jean- Claude Goldenstein, the CEO of the digital verification firm CREOpoint that has created a database of viral Gaza deepfakes, told AP. "Pictures, video, and audio: with generative AI, it’s going to be an escalation you haven’t seen."

Layers of Deception Make no mistake: horrific numbers of children have died in the bloody conflict. Muddying the waters with fake images distorts that reality in numerous ways — not the least by giving people who see real documentation of the horrors of war an excuse to dismiss it as an AI fabrication.

And to make matters even more complicated, tools meant to detect whether a photo is real or AI-manipulated can sometimes get it wrong — an increasingly well-known issue that bad actors can also exploit to sow further discord in a conflict that has no shortage of it.

With dedicated disinformation artists always a step ahead of efforts to debunk them, digital security expert David Doermann, who used to lead efforts at the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) on the national security risks of AI disinformation, told the AP that there need to be efforts between governments and public and private sectors not just to beef up their tech, but to apply more stringent regulations and standards as well.

"Every time we release a tool that detects this, our adversaries can use AI to cover up that trace evidence," Doermann, now a professor at the University of Buffalo, told AP. "Detection and trying to pull this stuff down is no longer the solution. We need to have a much bigger solution."

Ben Shapiro tried to roll out this image on Twitter.

He became the laughingstock of the whole world.

Ben Shapiro tried to roll out this image on Twitter.

He became the laughingstock of the whole world.

You're a lying asshole who believes liars.

Israel falsely accused of sharing fake images of Hamas atrocities using AI

The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation,

It was simply more dirty work by the Israelis. ;)

So by your own standards that you set, you are a baby killer.

This makes absolutely no sense.

As usual.

Video-Israel falsely accused of sharing fake images of Hamas atrocities using AI

Wow...

Did you read the comments under the vid you posted.

Ain't nobody buying the "fact checker" nonsense...lol

But you don't understand the Bible so you wouldn't understand.

Here is a clue. I already explained it to you. Over your head.

Wow...

Yeah wow. According to you Hamas would never harm anyone. They are a peace group. You really are dumb.

Hamas would never harm anyone. They are a peace group.

They're a construct of Israel.

Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to ...

The Intercept https://theintercept.com › hamas-israel-palestine-conflict Feb 19, 2018 — Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.

Israel's historical role in the rise of Hamas

The Japan Times https://www.japantimes.co.jp › israel-failed-policy Nov 21, 2023 — Hamas, a spin-off of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, was formally established with Israel's support soon after the first ...

Need I post more, Hamas helper?

Need I post more, Hamas helper?

Of course, I will...

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown ...

The Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com › for- years-netanyahu-pr... Oct 8, 2023 — For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank ...

EU's Borrell says Israel financed creation of Gaza rulers ...

Reuters https://www.reuters.com › world › europe › eus- borrell... Jan 19, 2024 — EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Friday that Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, ...

Did Israel create Hamas?

Middle East Monitor https://www.middleeastmonitor.com › 20231115-did-is... Nov 15, 2023 — Claims by the Israelis that they helped Hamas to grow, to divide the Palestinian national movement is not proof that Hamas was created by Israel ...

How Israel helped create Hamas - The Washington Post

Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com › blogs › 2014/07/30

Documents expose Israeli conspiracy to facilitate October 7 ...

World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org › articles › 2023/12/02 › klox-d02 Dec 2, 2023 — Israeli officials, knowing full well how and where Hamas would strike, made a deliberate decision to stand down in order to facilitate the ... If you need more let me know...it's well documented.

Israel creates boogey men to justify their murder and land theft.

Wanna do Hezbollah next?

Documents expose Israeli conspiracy to facilitate October 7 ...

World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org › articles › 2023/12/02 › klox-d02 Dec 2, 2023 — Israeli officials, knowing full well how and where Hamas would strike, made a deliberate decision to stand down in order to facilitate the ... If you need more let me know...it's well documented.

This stand down by Israel deserves it's own post...

Israeli Army's Failure Revealed in Be'eri Oct. 7 Probe Is ...

Haaretz https://www.haaretz.com › ty-article › .premium › israel... Jul 11, 2024 — The investigation into the battle at Kibbutz Be'eri, which the Israel Defense Forces presented on Thursday to the members of the kibbutz and ...

What did Israel know about Hamas' October 7 attack?

CNN https://www.cnn.com › israel-hamas-gaza- intelligence-intl Dec 1, 2023 — Hamas' surprise attack on October 7 left Israel flat- footed, sparking a angry round of consternation that is still rippling through the ...

More details unveiled of IDF intel on Oct. 7 plans, consults ...

The Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com › more-details-unveiled-... Dec 5, 2023 — The top commanders of the Israel Defense Forces were aware, in the hours, days and months that preceded the Hamas-led devastating October 7 ...

True or false: Israel used Hamas to barbeque 40 babies?

This guy says it all very well.

Don't you dare ever say you didn't know!

Shitsrael is a terr0rist entity! pic.twitter.com/u8Sg0YAZIz— Rania (@umyaznemo) October 25, 2024

The completely burned baby you posted a picture of may well have been killed by the IDF.

You posted several pictures and you said this is Israel. And you hate Israel because of those photos.

I hate Israel because of what it has done and what it has promoted, including religious based supremacism reaching the point where torturing sodomy and genocide is actively condoned and promoted. This is not in dispute.

The person referred to who was sodomized was only detained, not convicted, of any crime or terror activity whatsoever. As though sodomy would be justified even if he was.

Did you fact check any of the photos you posted? and if so how many? and are any of the images you posted fake or AI generated?

Many of the photos above were from videos I myself made screen shots of. Yes, the possibility of fakery exists and have been suspicious of some, such as the little girl carrying her baby sister saying she was hit by a car. Not a fake photo as it's a video, but for me potentially staged. Propaganda happens on both sides of every war. But one cannot look at the photos of Gazan landscape being nothing but destroyed concrete buildings for as far as the eye can see, which there seems is no challenge as to being fake as even Israeli photos show, having received the equivalent of 3+ Hiroshima bombs on a region 13x more densely populated than Israel and and conclude that deaths are rare.

It's easier to post a web write-up claiming pics are fake than it is to make fakes. I note your article gives zero examples of photos that they say are fake. There is an enormous amount of video content of what's going on in Gaza which is believable as cell phones are everywhere today making that possible.

As for why Israel would kill journalists, the importance of public perception is something Israel has always been sensitive to, and they fight news wars as much as they fight military wars. So killing Journalists is (or at minimum, would be) an important means for them to control what the world sees. Israel did unilaterally shut down Al-jazeera news as part of this campaign, and simply labeling any journalist who dares give an opinion that Israel doesn't like can certainly earn a fake label of "Hamas Sympathizer" and executed.

Ethnic cleansing and genocide is no longer even being hidden or denied now. I see such advocates on new commentary on places like NewsMax, and Israeli talking heads and those on the street are openly advocating genocide because "God gave us this land".

#GOODNEWS FOR #ISRAEL ... MORE #LAND IS READY FOR YOU

On the same day the LORD #God made a #covenant with #Abram, saying:

“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of #Egypt to the great river, the River #Euphrates—" [#Torah: Genesis 15:18] pic.twitter.com/Qbt5WsLvU6— Prince Handley, PhD (@PROPHECYandNEWS) October 19, 2024

Israel's ambitions will not end with Gaza and the West Bank.

They don't even try to hide this anymore.

“I just think we need to kill them. Every last one of them”

Genocidal Israeli on Sky News pic.twitter.com/kHNrYDF4ew— Stevie McGlinchey (@steviemcglinchy) October 22, 2024

Israel creates boogey men to justify their murder and land theft.

The motive as I've been told, which seems credible to me, is that Hamas was created to spare Israel from being compelled to accept a 2-state solution. A more moderate gov in Gaza might have put forward or accepted a 2-state plan and then Israel would be under international pressure to accept it. But Israel doesn't want a 2-state solution at all, under any circumstances, so by promoting a more extreme gov in Gaza (Hamas) that would never want a 2-state solution either, Israel could always point the finger at them and say "well, we tried".

True or false: Israel used Hamas to barbeque 40 babies?

Below is a very credible and seemingly balanced take on Oct 7 which claims only 2 babies (under 1 year of age) were killed on Oct 7. One 10-month old and one newborn from that day. Any rape that may have taken place, according to the clip, if it happened at all, was isolated and not systematic or widespread.

And the IDF did kill hundreds of their own people that day. Perhaps the image of the burnt baby is real, but it may have been done by the IDF in their overzealous response under some doctrine (Hannibal directive) that says it's better that Israelis die than be held captive for even a short period of time.

Israeli forces killed Israeli citizens on October 7

28 Apache helicopters used all their ammunition and had to be reloaded

Mainstream media is finally catching up to this mass Hannibal Directive

This is what really happened on Oct 7: pic.twitter.com/pDcDUJKgVI— Khalissee (@Kahlissee) October 9, 2024

Israeli forces killed Israeli citizens on October 7

This would have caused a massive civil war.

Most of those who were said to have died were young folks at a rave.

28 Apache helicopters used all their ammunition and had to be reloaded

Take 4-6 ground crew per helicopter...well over 100 young soldiers involved in killing their friends and family members?

Israel is a shithole of a country full of a shitty people.

Or maybe it's a fake video?

Elderly Palestinian lady is thrown out of her home that her family has owned for generations by illegal settlers…🇵🇸💔 pic.twitter.com/U8ASuKanqM— Pelham (@Resist_05) October 25, 2024

This would have caused a massive civil war.

No, I don't think so. You have to factor in what people are ready to believe, and few Israels would believe the IDF would do this. People choose what they want to believe and stick with it. Look at how long a 24 hour lie about beheaded babies has persisted a full year later.

And those that do understand it would believe the IDF had no choice in the matter.

Finally, if they get past that, they have to blame the IDF rather than Hamas. Recall the 3 escaped hostages that came to IDF soldiers with white flags and were gunned down by them? The mother of at least one said it was not the IDF's fault. Of course the IDF mistook the hostages for Palestinian civilians which is why they were shot, but even family members find a way to reassign blame from those that pulled the trigger.

No, when you are dealing with a very powerfully pre-programmed mindset as exists in Israel, the IDF can do no wrong whatsoever. There are exceptions as vast numbers of Israelis have protested against the genocide (perhaps my previous post about their being a "shitty people" is too broadbrushed but ... I'm not immune to such things myself, I suppose. But never underestimate the power of the human mind to believe things that are not true. As they say, it's much easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled.

beheaded babies

I was buying in to the whole Hamas attack that day...until the "40 beheaded babies" girl reporter crashed the whole show.

This girl...

At that precise moment, the killings, rapes, and hostage stories went up in a puff of smoke. If the "40 babies" story was fake, then the whole thing was fake (as far as I was concerned).

The "40 beheaded babies" hoax revealed a lot of people, including AKA Stone and Ben Shapiro. Both, as far as I know, are still trying to convince us that the story is true. Since then, the video by the girl reporter has been scrubbed from the internet. Imagine such an important piece of video evidence would disappear like that...

Israel is defending themselves.

Sure they are. They were doing this for years just for sport.

They made or allowed Oct. 7 to happen just so they could go hog wild and play the victim.

That you're too stupid to see that speaks volumes.

Or maybe you are like them and get off on it.

Israel is a shithole of a country full of a shitty people.

Pretty much.

I used to respect them, then I found out about their ties to the JFK assassination, the attacks against the USS Liberty, their involvement in the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, their involvement in 9/11, and countless other evil deeds.

And now this..

LBJ traded silver for blood in that deal.

Pretty much.

I used to respect them, then I found out about their ties to the JFK assassination,

You're a kook.

Israel is wiping on your friends in Iran now.

Death to Iran who you love because they took American hostages.

I suppose we're to believe that this is how God fulfills his promise of the promised land to his "Chosen People" (TM), contradicting everything Christianity teaches.

Israel is a shithole of a country full of a shitty people.

Or maybe it's a fake video?

You hate Jews. Ok lots of people do just like God said they would.

Why is that old woman squatting on Israeli soil?

Do you cry when Mexicans are deported out of America?

This guy says it all very well.

He just yells a lot because he can't make legitimate points.

I hate Israel because of what it has done and what it has promoted, including religious based supremacism reaching the point where torturing sodomy and genocide is actively condoned and promoted. This is not in dispute.

Some religions are not worthy of being protected. For example the Muslim satanist religion. Not a real religion.

Sodomy is not encouraged by the Israeli government. I'm sure Israel has bad people who do such things. They should be punished if the claim is actually true.

There is no genocide, if there was genocide they wouldn't give warnings before bombings and there would be 100 times more dead people. That is just anti western propaganda.

So it is in dispute because it is not true.

Israel's ambitions will not end with Gaza and the West Bank.

They will take back all the long God promised. They should not take one inch more.

It is going to happen. I know that because the Bible is true.

People can cry about it but it will happen.

Watch and see.