Please explain how God is in any way powerless or capable of being surprised by anything at all.

That does seem quite out of keeping with omnipotence, which I must assume includes omniscience, since it's a package deal.

neither God nor the universe revolves around planet Earth or the human population.

In all that you have said, that God is angry, God is weak, etc...you are simply saying, "I reject God", that is, "I reject the God of the Bible".

Dakmar has actually been the most honest and clear.

He said "It's my choice, I have made it".

If the creator of the Universe created us with free will. He gave us a choice of how to behave didn't he. I'm going to jump around a bit so forgive me.

God wanted us to love him is the way I understand it. If he forced us to love him it wouldn't be love at all. So he gave us a choice of how to behave.

If God is good I would think he would want us to be good.

All of the above is correct.

If some of us are evil and would harm others or his plan to redeem mankind. Why wouldn't that make him mad/angry/hurt.

Because he's smarter than that.

Do you think he should just look the other way and make it so the bad ones (we are all bad to a degree) could harm the good ones? Could harm them in a way that would lead them not to be saved?

Your mistake is in thinking that actual events on earth are what's most important to God. It is not. What's important is how each of us responds to the various things we experience. We are on earth to grow, to embellish our virtues and quash our vices. To learn kindness, the Golden Rule (as per gospel), to patience with others. to turn the other cheek. To love our enemies. Those things make us stronger. Things that keep us weak is to wallow in anger, jealousy, selfishness, etc.

Everything around us will perish eventually, including planet earth itself. We, however, will not. We are immortal. And things that happen to us on earth, good or bad, is no more real than what happens to us in dreams. And just as dream events become inconsequential when we awake, earthly events become inconsequential when we die and leave earth/human form, and for the same reason. None of it was real. What is/was real, are the lessons in how we handled ourselves.

This is a very simply theology that doesn't require all the convoluted gymnastics of biblical theology. And if one asks if God had a choice of how the universe should be ordered, wouldn't he choose one that didn't end up with most of his kids burning in hell for all eternity?

Here is part of a sermon that explains in part the point I am trying to get across. Please take 1 min and watch it and let me know what you think. I may take the time to find a longer version of what the pastor is saying here.

Just about everything in that 60 second snippet I completely agree with.

Dakmar has actually been the most honest and clear.

But I am a habitual skeptic. Just for the record.

You think that we evolved from some random chance.

It is an assumption, even within the science community, that evolution is a product of chance. It is possible some biological mechanism could be in play that specifically causes offspring to be better suited for a current environment that doesn't rely on chance.

Christian fundamentalists also err in assuming evolution could not have a supernatural element assisting its progress.

Everything around us will perish eventually, including planet earth itself. We, however, will not. We are immortal. And things that happen to us on earth, good or bad, is no more real than what happens to us in dreams. And just as dream events become inconsequential when we awake, earthly events become inconsequential when we die and leave earth/human form, and for the same reason. None of it was real. What is/was real, are the lessons in how we handled ourselves.

In Dreams?

Sorry, I try not to be horrible, but can't stop myself sometimes. :)

In all that you have said, that God is angry, God is weak, etc...you are simply saying, "I reject God", that is, "I reject the God of the Bible".

I never said God is angry or weak. YOU say he's angry. Yes, I reject that portion of the biblical portrayal of God as a God that can get angry or jealous. Absolutely I do. God is certainly real, and he's far, far, FAR better than what the bible depicts.

Plainly put, the bible fails the test of being the divine Word of God. It is not. It is a work of man. It's flaws are present. It does have good elements in it but so do a great many other books by ordinary authors. Many people ascribe divinity to it but only because they were raised to do so, as if ancient people had any more wisdom about life than people today do, and were free of all the human flaws that we all see around us daily. Ancient people were the same as us. Wondering about their purpose & confused about their human form. As souls they correctly knew they were special in the universe, but their human minds couldn't figure out how that was possible, in no small way trying to figure out how animals were different from them. So stories and legends arose, relayed from parent to inquiring child, generation after generation, eventually "codified" on scrolls. Some items correct in spirit but wrong in mechanics.

We should be open minded. That is particularly hard for our human minds that are so comfortable clinging to beliefs. Many Christian preachers say a problem with people is we do not have enough faith. I say the problem with people is we have far too much. We accept too much as true which is not true, particularly things we are taught as children. It's the reason why countries remain predominently of certain faiths generation after generation. If the human mind was given to rational thought, we would instead see various faiths spread homogeneously through all countries about evenly. But we don't. Most humans grow up believing what their parents taught them. Some firmly enough to strap bombs to themselves. Others enough to promote genocide of "subhuman" and "inferior" people.

Yes, we are all conditioned to just accept what we were taught, taking the "wide road" as it were. People like me take the narrow path and are willing to ask the real question of "Is all I've been taught in my youth actually true?" I'll take satisfaction in that. And when my time comes to face God, I'll tell Him (actually He will already know) that I followed my conscience at least somewhat faithfully, and I did not lie about it even when people told me I would burn for all eternity if I did not somehow "change my mind" as though that were possible.

He said "It's my choice, I have made it".

As we all have. Good for him. Good for you. Good for me.

In Dreams?

Well, E = mc²....

Which could be interpreted to mean our entire universe is....

You suggest God is a normal person?

No. I was just showing your comment that being angry is wrong and a vice.

I think my post served that purpose.

But your example is extreme. Compare that to a bunch of confused people making a gold statue and throwing a party around it for a few days. That would be cause enough to make an all-knowing God who understands all of us completely and cannot be surprised by anything we would do angry enough to kill them? Or angry at all?

My example is extreme. But it isn't the only example.

Would you be angry if you were castrated?

Onto your second sentence.

Why do you say they were confused?

Yes it would make him angry. It did didn't it? Just because he knows what will happen in the future doesn't mean he should never get angry about it.

It seems you have substituted yourself for God and you say what God should do or be.

The bible is a work of man, not God.

The Bible says "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

You used to say you were a christian. What changed your mind?

The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

If some of us are evil and would harm others or his plan to redeem mankind. Why wouldn't that make him mad/angry/hurt.

Because he's smarter than that.

What does smarter than that have to do with the statement?

Because you are smarter you wouldn't be angry.

I think you are substituting your judgement and the way you think things should be for Gods.

Would you be angry if you were castrated?

Why do you continually argue that because I can get angry, that God must also get angry? Being compared to God is flattering but it's a comparison I must reject.

Again, anger stems from weakness. Just because your bible says God got angry doesn't mean it's true. My point is the bible cannot be the infallible WoG precisely because it portrays God as subject to anger. It simply does not mix with all the other attributes about God you already agree with. All knowing, all powerful etc.

Why do you say they were confused?

How would you describe their mental state?

It seems you have substituted yourself for God and you say what God should do or be.

We are BOTH arguing what God should do or be. YOU are arguing that because I can get angry that God can get angry too, ascribing human weakness for God's nature.

The Bible says "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

And....?

You used to say you were a christian. What changed your mind?

New information that makes more sense, and being willing to be open minded to the possibility that everything works in a way different from how I've believed since my youth. Something you are not willing to do. You are probably afraid God will get mad at you if you dare put your current beliefs to a real test. Certainly the bible issuing warnings to that effect would do that. Kind of a self-certifying warning against honestly searching for truth.

Do you know how God feels about other planets or civilizations on other worlds?

You need to think beyond primitive man to understand.

𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐞𝐥𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐰𝐚𝐲

𝐒𝐨 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐅𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲’𝐬 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐦 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐯𝐞

𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐩𝐮𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭

𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐧𝐯𝐨𝐥𝐯𝐞

𝐑𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐥 𝐝𝐚𝐲

--George Frederic Handel (from Milton's L’Allegro,il Penseroso)

Your way of thinking limits God to what humans can feel or experience.

Yes there is a moral code. You are not allowed to be a faggot, a murderer a maker of pretend gods from your imagination. Those are sins and people will be held accountable. It isn't my thinking it is what God let us know. That is my view.

Do you know how God feels about other planets or civilizations on other worlds?

Nope.

Do you know that there are civilizations on other worlds? If so tell us about them.

You need to think beyond primitive man to understand.

You think because someone is ancient they are inferior to you. Even though they are exactly like you and me.

They were there to witness the world as it was. You can keep thinking you are superior if you want. I really don't care what you think. You have very little to offer.

Why do you continually argue that because I can get angry, that God must also get angry?

Because you said that being angry is a vice. That it is wrong and we need to grow out of it.

I'm just showing you that that is not true.

Any reasonable person would get angry at injustice. And people who don't get angry an someone being raped or murderer is a bad person. So anger is necessary.

For us humans and for a just God.

Also the world is real with real consequences. We only live once. We only get one chance to get it right.

Again, anger stems from weakness. Just because your bible says God got angry doesn't mean it's true.

Just because you say God shouldn't get angry doesn't mean God getting angry isn't justified.

You have offered no reasons why God shouldn't get angry at evil.

A world without consequences would be a world without love.

You seem to think God shouldn't love good and be angry at evil.

Satan doesn't get angry at evil.

Why do you say they were confused? How would you describe their mental state?

Willingly and knowingly doing the wrong thing.

We should be open minded. That is particularly hard for our human minds that are so comfortable clinging to beliefs.

Open minded about what.

Killing someone?

Stealing?

Being a faggot?

Being open minded is to a large degree a woke phrase evoked to try to cover up for wrong doing and make people feel sorry for people who do wrong things.

Most humans grow up believing what their parents taught them. Some firmly enough to strap bombs to themselves. Others enough to promote genocide of "subhuman" and "inferior" people.

You rightly get that Muslims strap bombs to themselves and their children.

You didn't mention Israel but it was a dig at Israel to pretend they commit genocide. When the statistics are now out and they inflicted less casualties on civilians of any war in recent memory.

The genocide label that liberals try to put on Israel is just because they hate Jews. They think Jews are inferior and don't deserve a country of their own. Hitler didn't think they did and others think the same way.

You didn't mention Israel but it was a dig at Israel to pretend they commit genocide. When the statistics are now out and they inflicted less casualties on civilians of any war in recent memory.

I did not identify either Muslims or Israelis/Jews in my statement.

But yes, you inferred correctly on both. There is ample evidence that genocide is openly endorsed by a significant number of Israelis, and its fueled in large part by ethno-religious supremacism. The "God's Chosen People"(TM) thing. Rewarding one with a promise of large swaths of land for believing a religious faith is a great incentive.

There is ample evidence that genocide is openly endorsed by a significant number of Israelis, and its fueled in large part by ethno-religious supremacism.

I'm sure in every "race" their are elements that are for genocide of another people.

Truthfully speaking are there more Jews that support so called genocide or Muslims?

I'd say Muslims.

They think they would be rewarded with large swaths of virgins to have as sex slaves.

You think because someone is ancient they are inferior to you. Even though they are exactly like you and me.

They had no concept of galaxies, solar systems, or other worlds.

It's why they didn't mention them in their creation narrative.

They did however inject some spiritual knowledge into their description though, such as the Duality of Nature, that is completely overlooked today due to the mistranslation of the verse that specifies it.

I did not identify either Muslims or Israelis/Jews in my statement.

You can't reason with someone who thinks if they die while trying to kill you, they go to heaven and receive 72 virgins. ;)

They had no concept of galaxies, solar systems, or other worlds.

That is irrelevant.

You can't reason with someone who thinks if they die while trying to kill you, they go to heaven and receive 72 virgins.

Which is why Israel shouldn't give them shit. They are in Israel and they can't behave themselves when in a foreign country.

Israel should destroy all the mosques.

You think that we evolved from some random chance.

You have no idea what I think, and those were never my words.

I understand that the complexity of life is too complex for it to be the product of random chance.

Thing is, evolution is a product of Nature, and Nature is a product of God.

So you think we evolved from monkeys?

Towards the end, that's how it worked out.

In reality we are all creatures of Light.

Some call it Intelligent Design.

It took billions of years to evolve to where we are today. Men weren't walking the planet while the earth was still cooling off and the atmosphere was just beginning to be formed.

I would also say that it didn't just happen here on Earth, but throughout the Universe.

Plainly put, the bible fails the test of being the divine Word of God. It is not. It is a work of man.

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil

The words of men.

Since you think you came from a monkey. Don't you have a monkey to fuck or something?

Did I hit a nerve Stone?

Son, I am your father

Which is why Israel shouldn't give them shit. They are in Israel and they can't behave themselves when in a foreign country.

"The thief cometh not, but to steal, and to kill, and to destroy."

https://www.biblehub.com/john/10-10.htm

Antichrist Jews (counterfeit "Israel") aren't God's people, and God killed and/or threw the Jews out of that land (Parable of the Banquet biblehub.com/matthew/kjv/22.htm / biblehub.com/matthew/22-7.htm ) in 70 AD. Israel was called Palestine before the Jews invaded that land under the Balfour Declaration. Before God threw them out in 70 AD, He told them, "Let no fruit grow on thee FOREVER", and it is they who can't behave themselves when in a foreign country.

Matthew 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

biblehub.com/matthew/21-19.htm

I don't understand why you keep propagating the Jewish fable of Jews as Israel and the "Chosen People". Christians are Israel: https://revealinglifetruth.org/uploads/6/9/0/5/69052901/the_church_is_israel_now.pdf

Galatians 4

19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, 20I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

Hagar and Sarah

21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

www.biblehub.com/kjv/galatians/4.htm

Romans 9:6-8

It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. / Nor because they are Abraham’s (SEED) are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your (SEED) will be reckoned.” / So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as (THE SEED).

Genesis 21:8-21

So the child grew and was weaned, and Abraham held a great feast on the day Isaac was weaned. / But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking her son, / and she said to Abraham, “Expel the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac!” ...

www.biblehub.com/galatians/4-25.htm

This was the gospel as preached by the early church:

Church Fathers - ST. JUSTIN MARTYR DIALOGUE WITH TRYPHO, A JEW

"...CHAPTER CXXXV -- CHRIST IS KING OF ISRAEL, AND CHRISTIANS ARE THE ISRAELITIC RACE.

"And when Scripture says, 'I am the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, who have made known Israel your King,' will you not understand that truly Christ is the everlasting King? For you are aware that Jacob the son of Isaac was never a king. And therefore Scripture again, explaining to us, says what king is meant by Jacob and Israel: 'Jacob is my Servant, I will uphold Him; and Israel is mine Elect, my soul shall receive Him. I have given Him my Spirit; and He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, and His voice shall not be heard without. The bruised reed He shall not break, and the smoking flax He shall not quench, until He shall bring forth judgment to victory. He shall shine, and shall not be broken, until He set judgment on the earth. And in His name shall the Gentiles trust.' Then is it Jacob the patriarch in whom the Gentiles and yourselves shall trust? or is it not Christ? As, therefore, Christ is the Israel and the Jacob, even so we, who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ, are the true Israelitic race. But let us attend rather to the very word: 'And I will bring forth,' He says, 'the seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah: and it shall inherit My holy mountain; and Mine Elect and My servants shall possess the inheritance, and shall dwell there; and there shall be folds of flocks in the thicket, and the valley of Achor shall be a resting-place of cattle for the people who have sought Me. But as for you, who forsake Me, and forget My holy mountain, and prepare a table for demons, and fill out drink for the demon, I shall give you to the sword. You shall all fall with a slaughter; for I called you, and you hearkened not, and did evil before me, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.' Such are the words of Scripture; understand, therefore, that the seed of Jacob now referred to is something else, and not, as may be supposed, spoken of your people. For it is not possible for the seed of Jacob to leave an entrance for the descendants of Jacob, or for [God] to have accepted the very same persons whom He had reproached with unfitness for the inheritance, and promise it to them again; but as there the prophet says, 'And now, O house of Jacob, come and let us walk in the light of the Lord; for He has sent away His people, the house of Jacob, because their land was full, as at the first, of soothsayers and divinations;' even so it is necessary for us here to observe that there are two seeds of Judah, and two races, as there are two houses of Jacob: the one begotten by blood and flesh, the other by faith and the Spirit..."

CHAPTER CXXXVI -- THE JEWS, IN REJECTING CHRIST, REJECTED GOD WHO SENT HIM.

"For you see how He now addresses the people, saying a little before: 'As the gape shah be found in the cluster, and they will say, Destroy it not, for a blessing is in it; so will I do for My servant's sake: for His sake I will not destroy them all.' And thereafter He adds: 'And I shall bring forth the seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah.' It is plain then that if He thus be angry with them, and threaten to leave very few of them, He promises to bring forth certain others, who shall dwell in His mountain. But these are the persons whom He said He would sow and beget. For you neither suffer Him when He calls you, nor hear Him when He speaks to you, but have done evil in the presence of the Lord. But the highest pitch of your wickedness lies in this, that you hate the Righteous One, and slew Him; and so treat those who have received from Him all that they are and have, and who are pious, righteous, and humane. Therefore 'woe unto their soul,' says' the Lord, 'for they have devised an evil counsel against themselves, saying, Let us take away the righteous, for he is distasteful to us.' For indeed you are not in the habit of sacrificing to Baal, as were your fathers, or of placing cakes in groves and on high places for the host of heaven: but you have not accepted God's Christ. For he who knows not Him, knows not the will of God; and he who insults and hates Him, insults and hates Him that sent Him. And whoever believes not in Him, believes not the declarations of the prophets, who preached and proclaimed Him to all.

CHAPTER CXXXVII -- HE EXHORTS THE JEWS TO BE CONVERTED..."

dn790003.ca.archive.org/0...int%20Justin%20Martyr.pdf

Beware of Antichrists

…22Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.

https://biblehub.com/1_john/2-23.htm

Christians aren't Israel. We are grafted in.

This is Israel...

And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: Rev.7:4

This is Israel 𝙙𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙩 from the church as seen in the walls and foundation of New Jerusalem

And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel. Rev21:12

And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. Rev21:14

To be physical/historic/Biblical Israel one must descend from Jacob...

Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob. Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin, Dan, and Naphtali, Gad, and Asher. Exodus 1:1-4

The present day, political state of Isreal, populated by gentiles who have converted to become "Jews" (as distinct from Judeans)...are NOT Biblical Israel.

Edit: and they are certainly not recipients of any promises/blessings/land etc. given to Biblical Israel.

and they are certainly not recipients of any promises/blessings/land etc.

There you go again calling God a liar.

Psalm 89:3-4 “I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to David My servant, I will establish your seed forever And build up your throne to all generations.” Selah.

I noticed you left out part of Revelation to change what it means. (“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;”) Israel would be part of all nations. You should get a dictionary and look up the word "all" since you don't know what it means.

You should also look up everlasting. It means forever without end.

Kind of like when you added words to revelation and your name got blotted out from my understanding of what the book or Revelation says.

To be physical/historic/Biblical Israel one must descend from Jacob...

Just like Hitler you hate the Jews.

You make up some story about people who were destroyed thousands of years ago to try to justify your wish that the Jews would all be killed.

You think God wants Muslims to rule the Holy land. That is why you make excuses and lie for them. That is why you are known as the "watchman for rapists".

You also ignore this scripture.

Is that the best you can respond with?

Just showing that nothing changes. Same tactics as from the beginning.

God hath not said.

We were warned to not be deceived in the last days.

King James Bible And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.