The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God.

Why?

The Big Bang theory basically embodies the very words of Genesis: "Let there be light". Does in not?

Why would you denigrate any scientific explanation for whatever method by which our universe was created? Is it a foregone conclusion that the creation of the universe was done with some form of divine magic that can never be understood in any way?

The Big Bang theory basically embodies the very words of Genesis: "Let there be light". Does in not?

Actually, the big bang theory does not embody the words "Let there be light"

The big bang theory begins with matter already in existence, super compressed by gravity, which then explodes.

In the Genesis account God speaks the universe into existence...ex nihilo...out of nothing.

A personal, knowable God vs. "some form of divine magic"

This is the debate.

The big bang theory begins with matter already in existence, super compressed by gravity, which then explodes.

Not necessarily. And in fact, I don't think that's the theory at all as it implies a super compressed mass pre-existed the BB. Given the current belief that space and time are related, I understand the BB theory to mark the creation of both.

It is reasonable to believe the universe was created by some means, and it could have been created by some event that happened in an alternate dimension, something outside of this universe. We could call that event an act of God, which is fine, so it doesn't mean the BB theory is rejecting God.

But in any event, & more to the point, we can agree we DO exist and the universe we are in DOES exist. If the BB theory is eventually rejected by scientific community and an alternate theory put int its place, would you necessarily reject that theory as well, just because it is a product of man?

Also, why does being wrong in scientific understanding of a matter equate to rejecting God? We are all wrong about various things in life.

why does being wrong in scientific understanding of a matter equate to rejecting God?

The BB denies that God has communicated to us, that He has told us clearly how He created the universe.

The BB may pay lip service to "God" but adamantly denies that He has intentionally instructed us on His method* of creation.

As to rejecting God, try being a Christian professor (or student) in a secular university. You'll find out immediately who is narrow minded and vindictive.

*(edit: and reason!)

Guest says Big Bang is Nonsense

The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God.

1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

--Psalm 14:1-3

So Tucker's guest is correct...the Big Bang Theory is nonsense...foolishness.

Even more so for the Theory of Evolution.

Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

biblehub.com/romans/14-11.htm

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. / For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. / The last enemy to be destroyed is death. ...

Colossians 1:16-18 For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. / He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. / And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence.

biblehub.com/philippians/2-10.htm

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And in fact, I don't think that's the theory at all as it implies a super compressed mass pre-existed the BB.

From NASA.gov...

The big bang is how astronomers explain the way the universe began. It is the idea that the universe began as just a single point, then expanded and stretched to grow as large as it is right now—and it is still stretching!

--https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/big-bang/en/

At NASA, they describe the universe beginning from a single point.

NASA, by the way, told us they went to the moon...but can't go back again because they lost the data on how they did it.

A few years ago we were told to "trust the science".

Well, I rejected the science, for many reasons, none of them particularly Biblical.

I rejected the science because I did not trust the ethics of the scientists, nor did I trust the intentions of those who were behind the scientists...the CDC, the pharmaceutical companies, the WHO, etc.

And I reject the Big Bang theory for pretty much the same reasons :)

It is reasonable to believe the universe was created by some means, and it could have been created by some event that happened in an alternate dimension, something outside of this universe. We could call that event an act of God, which is fine, so it doesn't mean the BB theory is rejecting God.

Exactly Neil.

Some people still think the earth is flat and the stars don't exist, because it doesn't mention anything otherwise in the bible.

He has told us clearly how He created the universe.

Ok, tell us how EXACTLY the Universe was created if you think you have the answer.

I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"

Good one!!

btw, I like Ray Comfort a lot, but be careful, he's a dispensationalist, and some fault him for being too works-based. I was introduced to him by the original "Atheist Test" tract given away by an artist creating sand sculptures of Jesus on a Maryland beach, many, many years ago

Ok, tell us how EXACTLY the Universe was created if you think you have the answer.

I don't have the answer, but I trust the Biblical account...

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen1.1

A few years ago we were told to "trust the science".

And those people were liars, they didn't reveal the actual science which was 100% contrary to their false claims.

Science is the study of nature, and that includes all that exists.

Do you not believe in Chemistry, Math, or Physics?

but I trust the Biblical account...

And what IS that account?

Are you the one who would say that the statue was created by an explosion?

but I trust the Biblical account... And what IS that account?

God created the heavens and the earth...just as an artist creates a work of art.

Simple.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Where is heaven? And he ONLY created earth, not the planets, stars, moons, etc.?

The big bang is a theory that DOES fit into the biblical words of "let there be light".

HOW that light was created is still a mystery and up to debate.

Where is heaven? And he ONLY created earth, not the planets, stars, moons, etc.?

Did you ever go to Sunday School when you were a kid?

Here ya go...

www.biblegateway.com/pass...h=Genesis%201& version=KJV

The BB denies that God has communicated to us, that He has told us clearly how He created the universe.

I would say the BB theory is completely silent about any possible divine communication. And "how" God may have created the universe is far from clear. Simply speaking it into existence is, at best, a very obtuse "method". Certainly it doesn't work for the rest of us.

The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God.

Not if one believes God created the universe via Big Bang.

Even more so for the Theory of Evolution.

I consider it an assumption that evolution would need to operate by chance.

HOW that light was created is still a mystery and up to debate.

It's not a mystery to me.

Are you saying God cannot create light with just a command?

Let me try to explain.

For one, the words "God created man in his own image" are NOT what is written in the ancient Hebrew.

The original Hebrew says "God (plural form) created Man (as in Mankind) in THEIR own likeness. Male and female they were created".

Not written in Genesis is the fact they viewed God as male and female, and when God (they) joined together they created a new Universe. ALL life is either male or female, in the likeness of God.

Some call it the Duality of Nature.

What that means is that God exists beyond our Universe, is in fact ALL Universes that have ever existed, exist today, and will ever exist.

Simply speaking it into existence is, at best, a very obtuse "method".

Why? It is perfectly in keeping with God's abilities.

Certainly it doesn't work for the rest of us.

We are created, not the Creator.

It's not a mystery to me.

Then what is light if you know how it was created.

www.biblegateway.com/pass...h=Genesis%201& version=KJV

So that doesn't answer the question. WHERE is heaven?

It is the idea that the universe began as just a single point, then expanded and stretched to grow as large as it is right now—and it is still stretching!

Even this statement does not say that single point was the compressed mass of what is now all the mass in the universe.

It could have been a divine event caused by the instant injection of mass that caused the creation of our universe. Some event outside of our universe that caused this universe to be created. In fact, I don't see how anyone believing in an ultimate supreme God could argue that our current universe contains God Himself. God MUST be beyond our universe.

I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"

You have no room to accept the possibility that there could have been divine power and design behind either the BB or Evolution?

Simply speaking it into existence is, at best, a very obtuse "method".

If one wanted to get technical, one could wonder how anyone could speak if there was no air.. :)

in THEIR own likeness

A reference to the triune nature of God...Father, Son, Holy Spirit

in the likeness of God.

What a wonderful truth. God made us to keep Him company (even though He is complete unto Himself). He will be familiar to us and easy to be with!

You have no room to accept the possibility that there could have been divine power and design behind either the BB or Evolution?

God would have told us if that were the case.

God cannot lie. It is impossible for Him to lie.

God is male and female (Father and Holy Spirit), His Son (actually our Universe) is the offspring.

You can't trust mistranslated texts from a few thousand years ago to be 100% accurate or complete.

Some can't think beyond what they are told.

Not true.

God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says.

Proving stuff requires a lot of thought.

Why? It is perfectly in keeping with God's abilities.

His ability is not in question. The method is. And apparently you reject the possibility that the method God used included a Big Bang.

His Son (actually our Universe)

Show me the verse that says that.

God would have told us if that were the case.

Does God explain nuclear physics, chemistry, or math anywhere in the bible?

Do you think ancient Hebrews who wrote the bible would have known anything about those things?

God didn't write anything by the way, it is the word of the Jews.

And apparently you reject the possibility that the method God used included a Big Bang.

Certainly God could start with a bang, but He says He started with a word.

Show me the verse that says that.

Show me the verse that defines light.

He started with a word.

And how is a word defined?

He started with a word.

And how is a word defined? In computer science it's 16 bits.. :)

Does God explain nuclear physics, chemistry, or math anywhere in the bible?

He gave us a mind, and a physical body to observe physics, chemistry, math...nothing wrong with that.

Many Christians are physicist, chemists, etc.

I study cows...I learned that they did not evolve :)

Show me the verse that says that.

Show me the verse that defines light.

You first :)

I don't think that's the theory at all as it implies a super compressed mass pre-existed the BB.

I am entertaining the theory that there have been an infinite number of Big Bangs, where all matter clumps up due to gravity over time (think black holes, etc) until it reaches critical mass, much like atomic bomb.

Then the Big Bang.

Matter is hurled into matterless dimension aka empty space, which must exist simply because it exists. If it had matter it would not be matterless, now, would it?

Matter expands into empty space until intertia from Big Bang is overcome by gravity.

Then the entirety of matter starts condensing, once again becoming a singular collection of matter, primed to explode.

Expand, contract, ad infinitum.

God would have told us if that were the case.

I don't see why he'd be required or compelled to do so.

God cannot lie. It is impossible for Him to lie.

Where does the Bible say the BB & evolution did not occur? If the Bible is silent on those matters, then it's not contradicting those theories. I could accept the Genesis 1 story of creation contradicts evolution (though it does not say evolution could not commence after creation is done) but Genesis seems to be generally in line with the BB theory.

Isn't there a verse that says something like "It's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of man to seek out a matter?"

Seems that is an endorsement of science.

Looked it up: Proverbs 25:2. I did a pretty good job of recalling it, I'd say.

As I said earlier, it's all a matter of the fact that God DID NOT write ANYTHING, the bible is merely the musings of ancient people who tried to explain all that exists.

They did get some things right though, perhaps from some ancient spiritual knowledge that exists beyond that which is explainable.

Matter expands into empty space

Who or what created the matter in the first place?

Who or what created the empty space?