Tucker Carlson: Guest says Big Bang is Nonsense

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Published: Jan 27, 2025
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#11: FormerLurker    To: Pinguinite (#6)

It is reasonable to believe the universe was created by some means, and it could have been created by some event that happened in an alternate dimension, something outside of this universe. We could call that event an act of God, which is fine, so it doesn't mean the BB theory is rejecting God.

Exactly Neil.

Some people still think the earth is flat and the stars don't exist, because it doesn't mention anything otherwise in the bible.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:02:37   Reply   Private Reply


#12: FormerLurker    To: watchman, Pinguinite (#7)

He has told us clearly how He created the universe.

Ok, tell us how EXACTLY the Universe was created if you think you have the answer.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:04:31   Reply   Private Reply


#13: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt    To: watchman (#10)

I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"

Good one!!

btw, I like Ray Comfort a lot, but be careful, he's a dispensationalist, and some fault him for being too works-based. I was introduced to him by the original "Atheist Test" tract given away by an artist creating sand sculptures of Jesus on a Maryland beach, many, many years ago

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2025-01-28 17:06:04   Reply   Private Reply


#14: FormerLurker    To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)

Tell me, where in the bible does it explain nuclear physics?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:09:59   Reply   Private Reply


#15: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#10)

So you think God created that statue?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:14:22   Reply   Private Reply


#16: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#12)

Ok, tell us how EXACTLY the Universe was created if you think you have the answer.

I don't have the answer, but I trust the Biblical account...

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen1.1

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:16:05   Reply   Private Reply


#17: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#9)

A few years ago we were told to "trust the science".

And those people were liars, they didn't reveal the actual science which was 100% contrary to their false claims.

Science is the study of nature, and that includes all that exists.

Do you not believe in Chemistry, Math, or Physics?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:18:07   Reply   Private Reply


#18: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#16)

but I trust the Biblical account...

And what IS that account?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:18:38   Reply   Private Reply


#19: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#15)

No, I'm saying Michaelangelo created the statue...

Are you the one who would say that the statue was created by an explosion?

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:18:39   Reply   Private Reply


#20: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#19)

You're the one that tried to compare the sculpture to the big bang.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:19:20   Reply   Private Reply


#21: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#18)

but I trust the Biblical account... And what IS that account?

God created the heavens and the earth...just as an artist creates a work of art.

Simple.

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:20:15   Reply   Private Reply


#22: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#16)

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Where is heaven? And he ONLY created earth, not the planets, stars, moons, etc.?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:20:47   Reply   Private Reply


#23: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#21)

HOW did he create the universe? Was he a bearded old guy sitting on a cloud, and flipped a switch to create light?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:22:09   Reply   Private Reply


#24: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#19)

What it comes down to bro is that the bible does NOT explain EXACTLY how anything was created.

The big bang is a theory that DOES fit into the biblical words of "let there be light".

HOW that light was created is still a mystery and up to debate.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:24:28   Reply   Private Reply


#25: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#22)

Where is heaven? And he ONLY created earth, not the planets, stars, moons, etc.?

Did you ever go to Sunday School when you were a kid?

Here ya go...

www.biblegateway.com/pass...h=Genesis%201& version=KJV

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:24:38   Reply   Private Reply


#26: Pinguinite    To: watchman (#7)

The BB denies that God has communicated to us, that He has told us clearly how He created the universe.

I would say the BB theory is completely silent about any possible divine communication. And "how" God may have created the universe is far from clear. Simply speaking it into existence is, at best, a very obtuse "method". Certainly it doesn't work for the rest of us.

Pinguinite posted on 2025-01-28 17:27:47   Reply   Private Reply


#27: Pinguinite    To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

The Big Bang Theory is the rejection of God.

Not if one believes God created the universe via Big Bang.

Even more so for the Theory of Evolution.

I consider it an assumption that evolution would need to operate by chance.

Pinguinite posted on 2025-01-28 17:32:23   Reply   Private Reply


#28: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#24)

HOW that light was created is still a mystery and up to debate.

It's not a mystery to me.

Are you saying God cannot create light with just a command?

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:32:47   Reply   Private Reply


#29: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#21)

What existed prior to the BB is touched upon by ancient Jewish thought.

Let me try to explain.

For one, the words "God created man in his own image" are NOT what is written in the ancient Hebrew.

The original Hebrew says "God (plural form) created Man (as in Mankind) in THEIR own likeness. Male and female they were created".

Not written in Genesis is the fact they viewed God as male and female, and when God (they) joined together they created a new Universe. ALL life is either male or female, in the likeness of God.

Some call it the Duality of Nature.

What that means is that God exists beyond our Universe, is in fact ALL Universes that have ever existed, exist today, and will ever exist.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:34:45   Reply   Private Reply


#30: watchman    To: Pinguinite (#26)

Simply speaking it into existence is, at best, a very obtuse "method".

Why? It is perfectly in keeping with God's abilities.

Certainly it doesn't work for the rest of us.

We are created, not the Creator.

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:35:21   Reply   Private Reply


#31: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#28)

It's not a mystery to me.

Then what is light if you know how it was created.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:35:29   Reply   Private Reply


#32: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#25)

www.biblegateway.com/pass...h=Genesis%201& version=KJV

So that doesn't answer the question. WHERE is heaven?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:37:03   Reply   Private Reply


#33: Pinguinite    To: watchman (#9)

It is the idea that the universe began as just a single point, then expanded and stretched to grow as large as it is right now—and it is still stretching!

Even this statement does not say that single point was the compressed mass of what is now all the mass in the universe.

It could have been a divine event caused by the instant injection of mass that caused the creation of our universe. Some event outside of our universe that caused this universe to be created. In fact, I don't see how anyone believing in an ultimate supreme God could argue that our current universe contains God Himself. God MUST be beyond our universe.

Pinguinite posted on 2025-01-28 17:37:30   Reply   Private Reply


#34: Pinguinite    To: watchman (#10)

I liken the big bang theory and the theory of evolution to someone looking at a Michelangelo sculpture and saying, "Wow, a chunk of marble exploded and created a statue"

You have no room to accept the possibility that there could have been divine power and design behind either the BB or Evolution?

Pinguinite posted on 2025-01-28 17:38:58   Reply   Private Reply


#35: FormerLurker    To: Pinguinite (#26)

Simply speaking it into existence is, at best, a very obtuse "method".

If one wanted to get technical, one could wonder how anyone could speak if there was no air.. :)

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:40:03   Reply   Private Reply


#36: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#29)

in THEIR own likeness

A reference to the triune nature of God...Father, Son, Holy Spirit

in the likeness of God.

What a wonderful truth. God made us to keep Him company (even though He is complete unto Himself). He will be familiar to us and easy to be with!

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:40:29   Reply   Private Reply


#37: FormerLurker    To: Pinguinite (#34)

Some can't think beyond what they are told.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:41:03   Reply   Private Reply


#38: watchman    To: Pinguinite (#34)

You have no room to accept the possibility that there could have been divine power and design behind either the BB or Evolution?

God would have told us if that were the case.

God cannot lie. It is impossible for Him to lie.

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:41:53   Reply   Private Reply


#39: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#36)

Male and female they were created.

God is male and female (Father and Holy Spirit), His Son (actually our Universe) is the offspring.

You can't trust mistranslated texts from a few thousand years ago to be 100% accurate or complete.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:43:50   Reply   Private Reply


#40: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#37)

Some can't think beyond what they are told.

Not true.

God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says.

Proving stuff requires a lot of thought.

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:44:58   Reply   Private Reply


#41: Pinguinite    To: watchman (#30)

Why? It is perfectly in keeping with God's abilities.

His ability is not in question. The method is. And apparently you reject the possibility that the method God used included a Big Bang.

Pinguinite posted on 2025-01-28 17:45:21   Reply   Private Reply


#42: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#39)

His Son (actually our Universe)

Show me the verse that says that.

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:46:25   Reply   Private Reply


#43: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#38)

God would have told us if that were the case.

Does God explain nuclear physics, chemistry, or math anywhere in the bible?

Do you think ancient Hebrews who wrote the bible would have known anything about those things?

God didn't write anything by the way, it is the word of the Jews.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:48:03   Reply   Private Reply


#44: watchman    To: Pinguinite (#41)

And apparently you reject the possibility that the method God used included a Big Bang.

Certainly God could start with a bang, but He says He started with a word.

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:48:32   Reply   Private Reply


#45: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#42)

Show me the verse that says that.

Show me the verse that defines light.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:48:44   Reply   Private Reply


#46: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#44)

He started with a word.

And how is a word defined?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:49:29   Reply   Private Reply


#47: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#44)

He started with a word.

And how is a word defined? In computer science it's 16 bits.. :)

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:50:31   Reply   Private Reply


#48: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#43)

Does God explain nuclear physics, chemistry, or math anywhere in the bible?

He gave us a mind, and a physical body to observe physics, chemistry, math...nothing wrong with that.

Many Christians are physicist, chemists, etc.

I study cows...I learned that they did not evolve :)

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:52:19   Reply   Private Reply


#49: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#45)

Show me the verse that says that.

Show me the verse that defines light.

You first :)

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:54:49   Reply   Private Reply


#50: Dakmar    To: Pinguinite, watchman (#6)

I don't think that's the theory at all as it implies a super compressed mass pre-existed the BB.

I am entertaining the theory that there have been an infinite number of Big Bangs, where all matter clumps up due to gravity over time (think black holes, etc) until it reaches critical mass, much like atomic bomb.

Then the Big Bang.

Matter is hurled into matterless dimension aka empty space, which must exist simply because it exists. If it had matter it would not be matterless, now, would it?

Matter expands into empty space until intertia from Big Bang is overcome by gravity.

Then the entirety of matter starts condensing, once again becoming a singular collection of matter, primed to explode.

Expand, contract, ad infinitum.

Dakmar posted on 2025-01-28 17:54:49   Reply   Private Reply


#51: Pinguinite    To: watchman (#38)

God would have told us if that were the case.

I don't see why he'd be required or compelled to do so.

God cannot lie. It is impossible for Him to lie.

Where does the Bible say the BB & evolution did not occur? If the Bible is silent on those matters, then it's not contradicting those theories. I could accept the Genesis 1 story of creation contradicts evolution (though it does not say evolution could not commence after creation is done) but Genesis seems to be generally in line with the BB theory.

Isn't there a verse that says something like "It's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of man to seek out a matter?"

Seems that is an endorsement of science.

Looked it up: Proverbs 25:2. I did a pretty good job of recalling it, I'd say.

Pinguinite posted on 2025-01-28 17:56:19   Reply   Private Reply


#52: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#44)

In reality a word is an expression of an idea. The word "bang" conveys the idea of a sudden burst. How do YOU know the idea God used wasn't something similar?

As I said earlier, it's all a matter of the fact that God DID NOT write ANYTHING, the bible is merely the musings of ancient people who tried to explain all that exists.

They did get some things right though, perhaps from some ancient spiritual knowledge that exists beyond that which is explainable.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:56:25   Reply   Private Reply


#53: watchman    To: Dakmar (#50)

Matter expands into empty space

Who or what created the matter in the first place?

Who or what created the empty space?

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:56:41   Reply   Private Reply


#54: FormerLurker    To: Dakmar (#50)

Expand, contract, ad infinitum.

Possible, but where did that mass come from? How was it created?

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:58:21   Reply   Private Reply


#55: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#53)

Who or what created the matter in the first place?

Funny how we both came up with the same question looking at it from two different angles.. :)

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 17:59:32   Reply   Private Reply


#56: watchman    To: FormerLurker (#52)

How do YOU know the idea God used wasn't something similar?

From the Bible...

And God said,

"Said" means speaking, at least to me.

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 17:59:37   Reply   Private Reply


#57: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#49)

You first :)

You said it's all explained in the bible.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 18:01:42   Reply   Private Reply


#58: FormerLurker    To: watchman (#56)

Uh huh. Relying on English words to reflect spiritual Hebrew thought isn't a precise science, especially when not only the words are often mistranslated, but the origin of the words is the hand of a man who wrote them from limited knowledge of much of anything.

FormerLurker posted on 2025-01-28 18:04:08   Reply   Private Reply


#59: Pinguinite    To: watchman (#40)

God says, "Prove all things"...which includes proving what the Bible says.

Or proving that what the Bible says is not true?

It's actually improper scientific method to start with the assumption that something is true, then proceed to search for evidence supporting that conclusion. Do that and I promise you you will succeed. "Seek and ye shall find" as the Bible quotes Jesus as saying and it is true, particularly when applied to human psychology.

As I see it, if the Bible really IS the Word of God, then it will pass any and all tests put to it. We should, therefore, be completely fearless putting it through completely unbiased testing. We do NOT need to start with any foregone conclusion that it is completely perfect as a divine work and then seek to prove it. Does the Bible need a crutch? A head start? A cheat sheet? I say no.

Give the Bible complete and unbiased tests. Fair tests, but unbiased tests.

Pinguinite posted on 2025-01-28 18:04:32   Reply   Private Reply


#60: watchman    To: Pinguinite (#51)

"It's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of man to seek out a matter?"

That's a cool verse!

You should see what I'm wrestling with these past many years.

Simply said, God wants us searching, knocking, seeking, waiting...

Keeps us involved with Him...but not always fun.

watchman posted on 2025-01-28 18:05:05   Reply   Private Reply


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