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Title: The Scottish Rite, the KKK and the ADL
Source: Impious Digest
URL Source: http://www.impiousdigest.com/lbj/fox.htm
Published: Jan 19, 1993
Author: John Covici
Post Date: 2006-07-13 05:32:36 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
Keywords: None
Views: 16419
Comments: 114

The city councils of Birmingham and Tuskegee, Alabama; Austin, Texas; Newark, New Jersey; Buffalo, New York; and New Orleans, Louisiana, have all called for the removal of the statue of Ku Klux Klan founder Albert Pike from Judiciary Square in Washington, D.C. Meanwhile, the Council of the District of Columbia, considering whether to pass a resolution similar to those passed in the other U.S. cities, has been warned by the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith not to move to take down the KKK monument. Albert Pike, national KKK chief judiciary officer and Grand Dragon of the Arkansas Klan after the Civil War, is buried in a crypt at the Headquarters Temple of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, at 16th and S Streets, Washington. Pike was Grand Commander of that masonic group when he and his confederate clique organized the KKK.

Why? Why has the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a self-proclaimed "anti-bigotry'' lobby, acted to save the KKK's national monument? For starters, the ADL is officially subordinate to the B'nai B'rith, a pro-slavery masonic secret society formed under Scottish Rite control in the 1840s. The ADL, the Scottish Rite, and the Klan appeared openly together in the early 20th century as elements of the "British party" within American political life. In shameful national public statements and private actions, B'nai B'rith and the ADL denounced and viciously sabotaged all 1930s anti-Hitler protests by Jews.

From its inception, the ADL has fronted for organized crime figures including Meyer Lansky. The Scottish Rite and the ADL, in their telephone calls and visits to Washington, D.C. Council members, say that "there is no evidence that Pike was a member of the KKK"; or, that "there is no credible evidence of Pike's role in the Klan"; or, that "we can find no evidence" of such a role. As a fall-back, the ADL has also said that "there is no real evidence of Pike's role in the Klan; and even if there is such evidence, the issue is not important."' In the recent voluminous reporting on the subject of the Pike statue, news media have often quoted Scottish Rite representative Walter Lee Brown with variations of these defenses of Pike. In an October interview with the author, Brown said that he did not care what any historian has ever written about Pike. In his view, all evidence of Pike's evil acts put forward in the 20th century "is simply repeating slanders that were used against Pike when he was alive." Brown, who is writing an official biography of Pike for the Scottish Rite, contended that no condemnation of leaders of the post-Civil War Ku Klux Klan can be legitimate, because of the lack of documentary evidence against them.

This applies as well to the notorious KKK Grand Wizard, slave-trade millionaire and wartime racial murderer Nathan Bedford Forrest. "General Forrest did not actually admit that he was in the Klan," Brown explained. "So, where is your proof that he or anyone else actually ran the Klan?"

How Pike's Role Was Revealed

In considering the evidence of Albert Pike's KKK career, one must keep in perspective the mode of operation and legal status of the perpetrators in question. The KKK of the 1860s-1870s was a secret, terroristic society whose disguised members carried out thousands of murders, tortures, arson of schools and churches. The United States government sent troops into the southern states to put down Klan terrorism. One should not expect the KKK to have published membership and officers lists, to accommodate prosecution and suppression. Confederate General Albert Pike's KKK career has been widely known among historians, southerners, and federal government officials since about 1905, four years after the Pike memorial statue was dedicated.

It was in 1905 that the Neale Publishing Company, New York and Washington, published Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth and Disbandment, written and edited by Walter L. Fleming, incorporating earlier published material by J.C. Lester and D.L. Wilson. Historian Walter Fleming's introduction to this 1905 book explains that he has been given "information in regard to Ku Klux Klan, by many former members of the order, and by their friends and relatives." Dr. Fleming states that "General Albert Pike, who stood high in the Masonic order, was the chief judicial officer of the Klan." On a page of illustrations of important founders of the KKK, Dr. Fleming places General Pike's portrait in the center, makes it larger than the six others on the page, and repeats this information as a caption: "General Albert Pike, chief judicial officer". Dr. Fleming attaches as an appendix to his book, a KKK "prescript" or secret constitution which had then recently been discovered. This document sets forth the regulations of the Klan's "judiciary"' department, over which Albert Pike ruled. This is the internal disciplinary or counterintelligence department. It also corresponds to Pike and the Klan's influence over the regular court system and the legal profession in the post-civil War southern states.

As the boss of all the southern secret societies and simultaneously president of the Tennessee Bar Association, Pike was the grand strategist of Klan "justice." It is to be stressed that Walter Fleming's book was not a slander or hatchet job against Albert Pike. Though it revealed much important data for the first time, it placed the KKK and Pike in the most favorable possible light. The book was a hit among diehard Confederates and Anglo-Saxon "race patriots," and it launched Fleming's career as the dean of southern historians. Fleming became the leading apologist for the KKK, and was the father of the modern historical line that Reconstruction was a corrupt oppression of the South. In September 1903, Fleming had written in the Journal of the Southern History Association: "The very need for such an organization in the disordered conditions of the time caused the Dens [KKK local units] to begin to exercise the duties of a police patrol for regulating the conduct of thieving and impudent negroes and similar "loyal' whites...." Dr. Fleming's biases have not hurt his reputation with established authorities. The National Cyclopedia of American Biography calls his 1905 Ku Klux Klan history "an authoritative account of that organization." The Dictionary of American Biography states bluntly: "Fleming covered the Civil War and Reconstruction in the South more fully than any other man. His works are characterized by ... scholarly objective. A Southerner, Fleming wrote of the sectional conflict with Southern sympathies yet he was more objective than most Southerners of his generation. The historiography of the Civil War and Reconstruction owes much to his indefatigable research, his breadth of scholarship, and power of interpretation." Basing his career on his defense of Pike's KKK, Fleming became dean of arts and sciences at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee.

Pike's Tennessee Klan Command

It was in Nashville that Albert Pike and other Confederate generals met in 1867 to form a southern states-wide terrorist KKK, expanding the little project they had started two years before in Pulaski, Tenn. The organization he formed in Nashville designated Pike its chief judiciary officer, and its Grand Dragon for Arkansas. As owner-publisher of the Memphis, Tennessee, Daily Appeal, Albert Pike wrote in an editorial on April 16, 1868: "With negroes for witnesses and jurors, the administration of justice becomes a blasphemous mockery. A Loyal League of negroes can cause any white man to be arrested, and can prove any charges it chooses to have made against him. ...The disenfranchised people of the South ... can find no protection for property, liberty or life, except in secret association.... We would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed to negro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members." (A copy of that issue of Pike's paper may be viewed at the Library of Congress, as may the books mentioned in this article.) But it was as the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, and the recognized boss of the southern white masonic order, that Pike exercised the great clandestine power that welded the KKK together. Dr. Walter Fleming designates Confederate Major James R. Crowe as the pre-eminent source for his 1905 KKK History, and describes Crowe as one of the original KKK founders in Pulaski. Fleming says that Major Crowe "held high rank in the Masonic order." In his honor roll of "well-known members of the Klan," Dr. Fleming places "General John C. Brown, of Pulaski, Tennessee" and "Colonel Joseph Fussell, of Columbia, Tennessee."

General Brown and Colonel Fussell, like Major Crowe, are identifiable as soldiers of Albert Pike's masonic order. General Brown had been a master mason in the Pulaski lodge for 15 years when the KKK was formed there, and became grand master of Tennessee Masons and governor of Tennessee during the Klan's era of power. Colonel Fussell was commandant of Tennessee's masonic Knights Templar during the Klan rule. The preceding masonic information is taken from Tennessee Templars: A Register of Names with Biographical Sketches of the Knights Templar of Tennessee by James D. Richardson. This James D. Richardson was himself the Commandant of Knights Templar and Grand Master of Masons in Tennessee, and was speaker of the Tennessee House of Representatives during the era of the Klan power. This same James D. Richardson was Albert Pike's successor as commander of the southern Scottish Rite masons. It was this same Richardson who ordered the Pike statue to be erected in Washington, D.C. It was Richardson who, as a U.S. congressman from Tennessee, introduced into the U.S. House of Representatives the infamous 1898 resolution: It called for the federal government to provide federal land to Richardson's masonic organization, on which to put up their statue honoring the master strategist of KKK terror.

The KKK on Parade

Susan Lawrence Davis's 1924 Authentic History, Ku Klux Klan, 1865-1877, repeats the pattern Fleming created in 1905, revealing Pike's KKK role but treating him and the Klan sympathetically. The Davis book was written to celebrate the new, 20th-century KKK, which was just then staging full-dress mass marches in Washington and northern cities such as Detroit. In her chapter on General Pike's leadership of the Klan, Miss Davis applauds Pike's clever stewardship of the KKK secret organization. She reproduces in her KKK history an oil portrait of Albert Pike given to her for the KKK book by Pike's son. The same is true of other book-length histories of the Klan and numerous published biographies of Albert Pike: Pike's role as Klan leader or KKK boss of Arkansas is discussed, but treated as if KKK terrorist murder of African-Americans was "regrettable" but "only natural" and "understandable." In his book, The Tragic Era, Claude Bowers describes the KKK as patriotic southerners defending their way of life from out-of-control blacks and northerners. Bowers, who served many years as the U.S. ambassador to Spain and to Chile, described Albert Pike as one of the handful of distinguished, respectable founders of the KKK and the Klan's leader in Arkansas.

Bowers wrote that much of the KKK's alleged violence was actually perpetrated by Negroes disguised in Klan robes to wreak vengeance on other Negroes! Rather than quake in fear when the white southern masons or the ADL puts the muscle on, a citizen or his political representative ought to put this question to General Pike's defenders: "Do you say that Professor Fleming, Miss Davis, Mr. Bowers, and all the other pro-Confederate historians were liars when they wrote of Pike's marvelous deeds as KKK founder and leader?" They want to have it both ways: first to issue propaganda justifying Klan terrorism as the work of "respectable'' men like Pike; later, when their hero is under attack, to claim that their own propaganda slanders their man!

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#12. To: SKYDRIFTER (#8)

there's no documentation I can find to link Pike to the KKK.


"With negroes for witnesses and jurors, the administration of justice becomes a blasphemous mockery. A Loyal League of negroes can cause any white man to be arrested, and can prove any charges it chooses to have made against him. ...The disenfranchised people of the South ... can find no protection for property, liberty or life, except in secret association.... We would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed to negro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members."

Albert Pike, editor Memphis Daily Appeal April 16, 1868


"Don't re-elect anyone, not even your mama."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-07-14   2:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Critter (#11)

Where were you made a Mason?

"In a Lodge of the Holy Saints John......"

{:-))


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-07-14   12:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Red Jones (#10)

I've studied Pike for years; I can't document any of the claims as to his Klan connections. That would be radically out of character for a man who once lived in the wilderness with Indians. Do you have anything to cite?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-07-14   12:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SKYDRIFTER (#13)

hehehe

good afternoon brother. :)

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-07-14   12:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: SKYDRIFTER (#14)

I think you're right, I've never seen a connection between the two.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-07-14   12:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Critter (#15)

good afternoon brother. :)

Good afternoon to you also; it's still morning here. I'm busy learning to subdue my passions - it's mission impossible. Too much "Truth" to get out - as soon as humanly possible.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-07-14   12:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#16)

I think you're right, I've never seen a connection between the two.

I keep an open mind on such subjects.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-07-14   12:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SKYDRIFTER, Red Jones (#14)

I believe that Pike and Forrest both backed, if not organized, the Klan at first and then backed off when it became a terroristic bloodbath. Pike sold his Memphis paper and moved to DC in 1869 or so.

"Don't re-elect anyone, not even your mama."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-07-14   14:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: SKYDRIFTER (#14)

Do you have anything to cite?

no, I don't. but when I do google search for 'albert pike' and 'ku klux klan' there seems to be some association listed in some sources between him and klan. I merely found some saying he was a prominent founding member. not that he was THE founder.

but I remember what the high school history book said because it was bizarre. they had his picture very large and I thought it weird they treated him like a celebrity. a celebrity for founding the KKK. and it said he was the founder and they never talked about anything else he did in his life. the only reason I remember is because it was bizarre. he was a very large man with long hair. and they made it sound like a great achievement. And there are internet sites that insist a statue of him is in Washington DC. now if that's true, isn't that weird. A confederate general honored in DC? not even Robert E Lee has that.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-07-14   15:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Red Jones (#20)

And there are internet sites that insist a statue of him is in Washington DC. now if that's true, isn't that weird.

Not only that, Pike's buried within the walls of the DC Scottish Rite Lodge.

A good site to check out is Freemasonry Watch.

http://freemasonrywatch.org/albertpikeandkkk.html

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-07-14   16:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: bluegrass (#0)

Some articles I had lying around. Haven't read them in awhile.

"Albert Pike and Satanism, From the Civil War to C. Fred Kleinknecht by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.

{During the 1992 presidential campaign, Lyndon H. LaRouche and his vice presidential running mate, the Reverend James Bevel, launched a mobilization to remove the statue of General Albert Pike from its place of honor in Washington, D.C.'s Judiciary Square. On February 1, the campaign drew an angry attack from freemasonic leader C. Fred Kleinknecht, who attempted to defend both Pike and the Ku Klux Klan from LaRouche and Bevel's attack. On April 19, Reverend Bevel and historian Anton Chaitkin are scheduled to go to trial on charges of ``statue-climbing,'' for a non-violent demonstration they led at the Pike statue. They face possible six-month prison terms for this ``crime.''

On March 21, Mr. LaRouche addressed a conference of the Schiller Institute and the International Caucus of Labor Committees in Northern Virginia, via audiotape, explaining the issues of this fight. The following is the text of his speech.}

Recently, there was a letter and an accompanying document attacking me issued by the Supreme Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, one C. Fred Kleinknecht. The issue which the document addresses explicitly, is my proposal to remove from its position on U.S. government property in Washington, D.C., the ugly statue of a traitor, a war criminal, a racist, and a satanic degenerate, General Albert Pike, who was one of the leading predecessors of Mr. Kleinknecht as Sovereign Supreme Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.

Moreover, Mr. Pike--General Pike, as he is sometimes called--is the author of a book called {Morals and Dogma,} which is considered by many members of the Scottish Rite in the United States a virtual bible, or at least the anti-bible, of that section of Freemasonry; and that book, {Morals and Dogma,} is a book consistent with the satanic religious beliefs explicitly adopted and advocated by General Pike. General Pike, of course, was the founder of the Ku Klux Klan; that is not disputable on the basis of the evidence in hand, though Mr. Kleinknecht proposes to dispute it.

What I wish to do here, is to identify the nature of the core or characteristic issue at stake between me and the fellow who has engaged me publicly for this debate, Sovereign Supreme Commander C. Fred Kleinknecht......."

http://www .etext.org/Politics/LaRouche/iclc.0320.larouche.pike

Why Albert Pike's Statue Must Fall The Scottish Rite's KKK Project by Anton Chaitkin

http://www.etext.org/ Politics/LaRouche/pikefall.txt

Incidentally, I was on some site in the last couple of days [don't remember where], that said the Scottish Rite Flag is the same as the UN. When I tried to link [I believe it was to the Scottish Rite website], my computer froze, so I didn't get a chance to check it out.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-01   11:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: bluegrass (#0)

Oh! some more dots:

ADL: Stooge of the Freemasons

First, they put the ADL out there in front. The Freemasons said, and they said explicitly, that they were {not} going to come out and take me on publicly, but rather they were going to use their stooge, the Anti-Defamation League--which has always been a stooge of this treasonous section of the Scottish Rite in America--to ``deal'' with this issue.

Well, the ADL was in a pickle. Not only is Pike the founder, who represents the spiritual essence of the Ku Klux Klan, both in its first and second incarnation, but the ADL itself, through the B'nai B'rith, was a co-founder of the original Ku Klux Klan, and the ADL {in its own right} was a participant in the second coming of the Ku Klux Klan in 1915. There was a link between the two in the person of Simon Wolf, who was a key intelligence operative for the B'nai B'rith, working with the assassins of Abraham Lincoln back during the 1860s, and it was the very same Simon Wolf who lived until the 1920s, who was instrumental in bringing about the founding or the second coming of the Ku Klux Klan, with the sponsorship of Woodrow Wilson, in 1915.

So the ADL currently, which pretends to be anti-racist--although it is racist and has a racist philosophy--has been campaigning around the country using the disgust against the Ku Klux Klan as a basis for presenting itself, the ADL, as the major defender of American virtue against the Ku Klux Klan.

It was very foolish of the Scottish Rite to propose that this Anti-Defamation League, this ADL, which purportedly is attacking the Klan in every legislature in the country, should come out in Washington, D.C., and around the country {in defense of the founder of the Klan,} that racist, traitorous, satanic, degenerate, Gen. Albert Pike. Or at least Pike's statue.

So the ADL found itself in difficulty; and the ADL could not therefore politically carry out the job which the Scottish Rite headquarters had assigned to it. Thus, because of resolutions around the country, in city councils and so forth, demanding the pulling down of this statue, the Scottish Rite decided that it had to come out in its own name.

A Weak Flank

One of the associated reasons for the sensitivity of the Scottish Rite at this time was the fact that last year, the Southern Baptist Convention entertained a motion to ban membership in the non-Christian, satanic Scottish Rite by members of the Baptist congregations. The banning did not occur; however, a resolution was successfully passed, which proposed an investigation of the matter, a series of hearings, so to speak, which were made pursuant to reconsidering a motion to ban the Scottish Rite.

So the Scottish Rite is very sensitive, and since it has about an estimated {million} of the members of the Southern Jursidiction of the Scottish Rite in the Baptist Convention, this is a very grave threat to the powers of the Scottish Rite, the backers of the drug pusher and scoundrel Oliver North, of Iran-Contra notoriety.

So my attack on the Scottish Rite's Pike at this time, opened up a weak flank in the entirety of the Confederate tradition which this treasonous cabal which it represents....."

http://www .etext.org/Politics/LaRouche/iclc.0320.larouche.pike

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"#14. To: Sam Houston (#6)

I realized the SBC was indistinguishable from the neocon wing of the GOP. The men of the church almost literally began reading me the Riot Act for not bowing down and worshipping the Chimp of God.

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There's a reason for that. The Southern Baptist Church is heavily infiltrated with Judeo-Freemasonry [ http://tracingboard.com/noachites.htm ].

"The Christian Right, The Pope, the Knights of Malta and the CNP

To understand the puzzle, we are quoting from an Encyclopedia of Freemasonry and Its Kindred Sciences," etc. by Albert G. Mackey, M.D., Thirty- Third Degree, Volume I, published by the Masonic History Company, Chicago, New York, & London, 1925, Volume One, pp. 392-95:

"This Order, which at various times in the progress of its history received the names of Knights Hospitalers, Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, Knights of Rhodes, and lastly, Knights of Malta, was one of the most important of the religious and military orders of knighthood which sprang into existence during the Crusades which were instituted for the recovery of the Holy Land...."

"....CHEY: Umhum. That's what "unification" is all about. Unify everything under a big world religion. He financed the World Parliament of Religions that included the Covenant of Isis and all of these Theosophical Society groups and Christian Groups. Some of the Baptist churches participated in that. So, it's a very, very dangerous thing.

KELLEIGH: I'm not surprised with the Baptist churches because of there are so many Freemasons within the Baptist church and the core of Sun Myung Moon and freemasonry is very similar.

CHEY: That's true, although freemasonry is broader than just being confined to the Baptist church. But, I know that the Southern Baptist Convention identified over half a million freemasons and there was a big issue within their church on whether they should allow freemasonry, members of freemasonry to be church members. They do have this "great architect of the universe" mentality and recognize plurality of religions that spans from Christianity through all the eastern religions and Buddhism and Hindus and Shintos and many, many different religious organizations that, Biblically, Christians are told not to fellowship with. It's a matter of being unequally yoked with unbelievers...."

The Christian Right, The Pope, the Knights of Malta and the CNP at http://cephasministry.com

Freemasonry and the Church: A Christian Worker's Perspective

http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/fm-church.htm

A Pastor and Freemasonry: What's a Pastor to do?

http://www.biblebelievers.or g.au/masindx.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2006-07-30 "

The Christian Axis of Evil

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31118

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-01   11:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Christine, Diana, All (#22)

Moreover, Mr. Pike--General Pike, as he is sometimes called--is the author of a book called {Morals and Dogma,} which is considered by many members of the Scottish Rite in the United States a virtual bible, or at least the anti-bible, of that section of Freemasonry; and that book, {Morals and Dogma,} is a book consistent with the satanic religious beliefs explicitly adopted and advocated by General Pike. General Pike, of course, was the founder of the Ku Klux Klan; that is not disputable on the basis of the evidence in hand, though Mr. Kleinknecht proposes to dispute it.

What I wish to do here, is to identify the nature of the core or characteristic issue at stake between me and the fellow who has engaged me publicly for this debate, Sovereign Supreme Commander C. Fred Kleinknecht......."

If you're not familiar, these "Pike" issues have been quite adequately proven to be pure bullshit.

"Morals and Dogma" is practically an artifact of the Scottish Rite - in's indespensible to the Rite, but few own or read it. Pike was a scholar of such extremes that few can understand what he wrote. Essentially, he identifies morality as the core of all great civilizations and 'esoteric' schools of thought. (Don't ask me why that position took 900 pages to express.)

Scottish Rite "flag?" I've never heard of one. Did I miss something?

Yes, I'm a Mason and a member of the Scottish Rite.

Ex-con Larouche speaks to integrity??? Right!

The Masons have been run out of DC politics - too much morality in their ranks.

If you're going to speak to such things, do some decent homework.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   11:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Christine, Diana, All (#23)

One of the associated reasons for the sensitivity of the Scottish Rite at this time was the fact that last year, the Southern Baptist Convention entertained a motion to ban membership in the non-Christian, satanic Scottish Rite by members of the Baptist congregations. The banning did not occur; however, a resolution was successfully passed, which proposed an investigation of the matter, a series of hearings, so to speak, which were made pursuant to reconsidering a motion to ban the Scottish Rite.

So the Scottish Rite is very sensitive,.....

The person charged with the investigation reported that there was no viable conflict. They fired him; he's now a member of the Order, doing lectures on the subject.

The Scottish Rite has kept their ducks in a row since their formation in 1801 & laughs at the accusations, such as these.

The "saintsalive" guy is a local (Seattle) preacher mouthpiece who can't practice the Christianity he purports to teach. His father is a well-respected Mason who is forced to apologize for his son, gone astray.

Do your homework.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   11:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

The Masons have been run out of DC politics - too much morality in their ranks.

Also the Jesuits and the Catholic church have been caught up in a web of Illuminati conspiracy according to some.

I'm thinking that this is disinfo, along with the Masons. Maybe there was infiltration at some point in time, back when Masons had some power, but I don't see the point now.

Since all Protestant denominations sprang from the Catholic Church, indirectly or directly, and the basic doctrine is Christian, I can only assume the attacks on it are just that, attacks on Christianity as a whole. The Vatican has had its share of intrigue over the centuries, nothing new.

The conspiracy may as well include the Baptists. I think this is all a smokescreen and a way to get people suspecting and fearing each other.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-01   12:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

I'm a Mason and a member of the Scottish Rite.

You'll excuse me if I take what you say with a grain of salt, much as someone saying, "I'm a Jew and a member of the ADL" to someone poo-pooing speculation about that organization's history.

Q: How many Zionists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Two. One to subvert the constitution and the other to shoot a child in the head.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-08-01   14:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

Scottish Rite "flag?"

The Double Headed Eagle of Lagash was used as the SR flag for years at Pike's home in DC and on his statue.

Q: How many Zionists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Two. One to subvert the constitution and the other to shoot a child in the head.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-08-01   14:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass, christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Brian S, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, Ferret Mike (#27)

You'll excuse me if I take what you say with a grain of salt, much as someone saying, "I'm a Jew and a member of the ADL" to someone poo-pooing speculation about that organization's history.

If you doubt my bone fides, look me up - Past Master of Daylight Lodge in Seattle and Past Master of Renaissance Lodge in Redmond, Washington. Add Past Venerable Master of the Lodge of Perfection at the Seattle Valley of the Scottish Rite, etc.

I'm also the source of the Masonic digital E-Library, consisting of around 85 titles and 150 volumes.

Trust me, I do my homework - "...point-click"


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   14:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: bluegrass (#28)

The Double Headed Eagle of Lagash was used as the SR flag for years at Pike's home in DC and on his statue.

News to me; thanks. I doubt it was the "Double Headed Eagle of Lagash," per se. It was probably the double-headed Eagle, wearing a crown - the symbol of the 33rd Degree. It should have been gripping a sword, with the 33rd Degree motto on a banner, draped from the Sword.

I'm not familiar with a "Scottish Rite Flag," in any official context. There may be, but I'm not familiar with it. The "Craft" often uses banners, but I can't remember any "Masonic flag."


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   15:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: bluegrass, SKYDRIFTER (#28)

The Double Headed Eagle of Lagash was used as the SR flag for years at Pike's home in DC and on his statue.

William Cooper's research...

http://www.geocities.com/area51/shadowlands/6583/coverup016.html

You may verify the goal of the Illuminati by visiting the home page of Freemasonry's Grand Lodge of Scotland (if that link does not work click here). You will notice the flag of the Grand Lodge of Scotland and the "Universal" flag of Freemasonry is displayed. The "Universal" flag of Freemasonry is the United Nations Flag. When they discover that we have linked to their page and are using it as documentation they will delete their "Universal" flag of Freemasonry. We have captured their page to our website and will be happy to send an certification and affidavit that the page on our website is the actual page captured from the home page of the Scottish Grand Lodge of Freemasonry on May 9, 1998. If you visit their page and witness their admission please send an witnessed and signed affidavit as to exactly what you saw to: Harvest Trust, P.O. Box 2470, Pinetop, Arizona 85935.

The Wayback Machine, earliest Jan 1999 archive, shows The Lodge orignal homepage, with the "Universal" gif removed.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990125095713/http://www.grandlodgescotland.com/

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-08-01   15:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Eoghan, Christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Brian S, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, Ferret Mike (#31)

The "Universal" flag of Freemasonry is the United Nations Flag.

Cooper?

The guy who was so paranoid, that they killed him to please him?

That "Cooper?"

(Never did figure out what he did to get himself finished off.)

He's no one's source of authentic information, versus being a wacked-out UFO freak and profiteering paranoid.

The UN flag is a "Masonic" flag??? Give me a freakin' break.

If the Masons had any political power, I would still be flying airliners.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   15:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: SKYDRIFTER (#29)

If you doubt my bone fides

My friend, I don't doubt your bona fides. You're an honest and truthful man that is, like all of us here, looking for the truth beyond the lies we've been taught from childhood.

When looking at the histories of the various groups in America that have a shroud over them (and the Scottish Rite is one of many), I prefer to look at various sources. In my experience, going to the groups and its members isn't a good way to get an objective perspective.

My apologies if my earlier post seemed terse and dismissive. I was in a hurry.

Q: How many Zionists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Two. One to subvert the constitution and the other to shoot a child in the head.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-08-01   15:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SKYDRIFTER (#32)

Cooper opened up MANY eyes to what is happening now. In the end, he's been proven correct.

Q: How many Zionists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Two. One to subvert the constitution and the other to shoot a child in the head.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-08-01   15:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SKYDRIFTER (#32)

If the Masons had any political power, I would still be flying airliners.

Not if you are over 60.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-01   15:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SKYDRIFTER (#32)

Cooper?

The guy who was so paranoid, that they killed him to please him?

That "Cooper?"

Damn Sky, that is one helluva dodge...

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-08-01   15:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: bluegrass (#33)

I'm the one who "...trusted my country" when I went to Viet Nam. I haven't trusted very much since then - not even the "Craft." I keep a watchful eye out for any shennanigans - and occasionally they do pop up. BUT, I've never been able to glean any hint of nefarious connections or deeds - even in the Scottish Rite.

No offense taken, by the way.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   15:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#35)

Not if you are over 60.

I'm 57.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   15:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: SKYDRIFTER (#38)

I'm 57.

Care to say why then you are not flying?

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-01   15:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: SKYDRIFTER (#37)

I've never been able to glean any hint of nefarious connections or deeds -

Pike's use of a black candle in a public ceremony of a Scottish Rite baptism of six kids in 1865 is the beginning of the historical thread for me.

Q: How many Zionists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Two. One to subvert the constitution and the other to shoot a child in the head.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-08-01   15:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#40)

The "Black-White" symbolism is normally the symbolic illustration of the battle between light versus darkness, with respect to morality. In Masonic lore, "light" is always truth and knowledge.

I've never heard of a Masonic baptism. A lot has changed since 1865.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   15:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: bluegrass (#40)

I've never been able to glean any hint of nefarious connections or deeds -

I believe Pike was given a full pardon by Andrew Johnson, a fellow Mason.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-08-01   15:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: SKYDRIFTER (#41)


After several alarms the parents and children entered with the godfather and godmothers, the latter dressed in white; the children who were unable to walk were carried on a cushion covered with blue silk, by the master of ceremonies; after him came a brother carrying the lighted candles, black, white and rose color in the form of a triangle, while the choir sing the chant "Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings, Thou hast perfected praise."

Interesting Masonic Ceremony — Baptism of Six Children by Albert Pike, of Arkansas, New York Times, Oct. 1, 1865


Black candles have had only one connotation in European-American ritual that I know of.

Q: How many Zionists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Two. One to subvert the constitution and the other to shoot a child in the head.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-08-01   16:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom, Skydrifter (#42)

I have a copy of the letter that Pike wrote to Johnson asking for pardon. It was published in 1865 in a few American newspapers.

His words are the words of liar. Any honest man reading it knows those words.

Q: How many Zionists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Two. One to subvert the constitution and the other to shoot a child in the head.

bluegrass  posted on  2006-08-01   16:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: bluegrass (#43)

The "Lodge of Perfection" is a "tyled" (secured) Lodgeroom. Non-members and women, let alone children, would never be permitted to enter.

This is a bogus account, in my book. I can't feature Pike as breaking that 'rule.'

" - author unknown;" wasn't that the source?

Pike was known for being controversial - no saint, for sure. In any case, "Morals and Dogma" contains an Admonition as to the sum of Pike's writings - he was that controversial. Certainly, whatever he contributed, he was never the 'soul' of the Scottish Rite. Again, it's a long way from 1865.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   16:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: SKYDRIFTER, Critter (#25)

Do your homework.

Amen, Brothers. We Masons are about good men doing good work, period.

Phaedrus  posted on  2006-08-01   16:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: bluegrass (#43)

Black candles have had only one connotation in European-American ritual that I know of.

You're speaking to "Masonic" symbolism. I'm not aware of black candles being used - white for sure.

Go for two-out-of three. What of the White and Rose candles?

Even if this account had any truth to it, it's hardly "fair" to address only the black candle.

I can't think what a Rose candle would symbolize in the Craft. That's typically a Rosicrucian symbol for Jesus - not to be found in the Scottish Rite. Plenty of Jewish symbols (Old Testament), for sure.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-01   16:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: SKYDRIFTER, bluegrass (#25)

looks like I hit a nerve.

After being off-line several hours, I started to read one of the articles I posted, and came back on to be sure bluegrass saw this:

"....The True Religion of Masonry'

But let us ask, does Mr. Pike's organization have an ``un-Christian oranti-Christian character''? Albert Pike responded in 1861 to a Mason who tried to claim the Scottish Rite was somehow Christian. Pike said that if theScottish Rite ``had a Christian basis, how did it chance that ***** most of those who had possession of it in this country from 1763 to 1800 were Hebrews?'' In fact, Pike and the Scottish Rite borrowed a good deal of numerology and other superstition from the Jewish cabala, a neo-pagan tradition indirect opposition to the Mosaic law underlying the Jewish religion. Weshall deal later on with the relationship of Jews to the Scottish Rite.

But if the Rite is not specificially Christian, is it anti-Christian? We may judge this from Sovereign Grand Commander Pike's words, on his {method}, and on the {true religion}. In Pike's book, {Morals and Dogma,} the Scottish Rite's main guide to theuniverse, he explains his method:

``Magic is the science of the ancient magi....

``Magic unites in one and the same science, whatsoever Philosophy can possess that is most certain, and Religion of the Infallible and the Eternal. It perfectly ... reconciles these two terms ... faith and reason ... those who accept [magic] as a rule maygive their will a sovereign power that will make them the masters of allinferior beings and of all errant spirits; that is to say, will make them the Arbiters and Kings of the World....''

Pike wrote this particular section to instruct ``Sublime Princes of the Royal Secret'' gentlemen of the 32nd Degree, such as was Bill Clinton'spreacher.

Thus, Pike is an illusionist, a conjurer, teaching his priesthood the means of controlling their squads of initiates. But what is the underlying belief? In France in 1889, Pike said: ``That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a God, but it is the God one adores without superstition.... The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the **** Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion to science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?

**** ``Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods.... Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in *** Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.'' This quote, by the way, is available in French and English in the Albert Pike vertical file at the library of the Scottish Rite SouthernJurisdiction at 1733 16th St. NW, Washington D.C. ....."

This is right in line with this:

"...Speeches delivered at the B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris explain Luther's changed attitude toward "Jews":

"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come . . . And the Gentiles, in their stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. Let them graze in our fields till they become fat enough to be worthy of being immolated to our future King of the World . . . We have founded many secret associations, which all work for our purpose, under our orders and our direction. We have made it an honor, a great honor, for the Gentiles to join us in our organizations (such as Masonry), which are, thanks to our gold, flourishing now more than ever. Yet it remains our secret that those Gentiles who betray their own and most precious interests, by joining us in our plot, should never know that those associations are of our creation, and that they serve our purpose. One of the many triumphs of our Freemasonry is that those Gentiles who become members of our Lodges, should never suspect that we are using them to build their own jails, upon whose terraces we shall erect the throne of our Universal King of the Jews; and should never know that we are commanding them to forge the chains of their own servility to our future King of the World . . . We have induced some of our children to join the Christian Body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Christian Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: 'Let some of your children become cannons, so that they may destroy the Church.' Unfortunately, not all among the 'convert' Jews have proved faithful to their mission. Many of them have even betrayed us! But, on the other hand, others have kept their promise and honored their word. Thus the counsel of our Elders has proved successful. We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation!

Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation. Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us. . . (Phillip II, by William Thomas Walsh, p. 248: 'The origin of Calvin' (whose real name was Chauvin). See also: Lucin Wolf, in Transactions, Jewish Historical Society of England, Vol. XI, p. 8; Goris, Les Colonies Marchandes Meridionales à Anvers; Lea, History of the Inquisition of Spain, III, 413).

Many countries, including the United States have already fallen for our scheming. But the Christian Church is still alive . . . We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; **** let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). luther.htm

http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm

It is also perfectly in line with this:

"....What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because they are known as "Jews". I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them as "so- called Jews", because I know what they are). The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves "Jews", were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe. They set up a large Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the time, Russia did not exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.

They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was also the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. The Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam, or what is known today as Judaism, which is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny, meeny, miney, moe," he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion. He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools, and his people became what we call "Jews". ...."

BENJAMIN FREEDMAN WARNS AMERICA

http://www.rense.com/general34/am az.htm

Ond day the hand of God is going to reach out and strike down that great phallic symbol in the sky, the one put up by the Masons in honor of the Masonic- Catholic George Washington, friend of antiChrist Rabbi Haim Salomon, funder of the contrived American Revolution, that dominates the DC landscape.

The Khazars also worshipped THE EAGLE AND THE SERPENT. They worship a statue of the serpent at the UN.

It's an antiChrist plot, pure and simple, obvious to anyone who knows God.

Whereas God told us this:

2Cr 6:1 ¶ We then, [as] workers together [with him], beseech [you] also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

2Cr 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.)

2Cr 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:....

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr006.html#3

....his adversary, the devil:

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa014.html#12

....does everything is his power to contradict the word of God.

bluegrass, reading so far, the British connection and this white supremacy is a direct result of the British-Israel doctrine I have been talking about over here:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=29665 #13, etc.

It is hateful, and unChristian. Mel Gibson is right. The Jews are behind it all. Too bad Mel doesn't know his church is in reality joined at the hip. The Catholic Church is glorified Judaism [ see http://watch.pair.com MYSTERY BABYLON: CATHOLIC OR JEWISH?]. The Catholic Church, in turn, invented Islam to use the Arabs as cannon fodder to retake Jerusalem. [search]. They are all birds of a feather. All the churches are infested with antiChrist Jewish doctrines, under one guise or another. It is high time for the church to Come out of "Babylon".

Albert Pike and the DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE over here:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=30955 #12

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-01   18:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: SKYDRIFTER, bluegrass, noone222 (#41)

The "Black-White" symbolism is normally the symbolic illustration of the battle between light versus darkness, with respect to morality. In Masonic lore, "light" is always truth and knowledge.

The Light is Jesus Christ, although the Satan-worshippers would have you believe otherwise:

Fighting Back! A Handy Reference Guide For King James Bible Believers The New King James Version; The New Scofield Reference Bible ... How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to ... http://www.av1611.org/kjv/fight.html

SWRC Ministries: Questions & Answers - Who Is the Morning Star? Question: The KJV states Lucifer is the "son of the morning. ... with the exception of the New King James Version, speaks about this “morning star” falling ... http://www.swrc.com/qanda/morni ngstar.htm

Lucifer, Crown Prince of Satan Lucifer Lu"ci*fer, n. [L., bringing light, n., the morning star, fr. lux, ... King James Version, New King James Version, 21st Century King James Version, ... www.dpjs.co.uk/lucifer.html

Should the Bible say “Lucifer” or “morning star” in Isaiah 14:12 ...(909) 941- 8128 Fax. Your Bible Version Questions Answered ... The term translated "Lucifer" does NOT at all mean "morning star" or "star of the morning. ... http://www.chick.com/ask/ar ticles/lucifer.asp

#Y144. Who is the Morning Star?The original Hebrew in Isaiah says, "O shining star, son of the morning, ... I have found time and time again that the New King James Version translates ... www.direct.ca/trinity/Morning-Star.htm

Attack on the Bible: King James Version,1611 The new per-versions change "Lucifer" to "morning star". ... One of the greatest verses in all the Bible, Matthew 18:11: "For the Son of man is come to save ... http://home.sprynet.com/~ea stwood01/kjv01.htm

Is the King James Version the Only Perfect Translation of the ...How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut ... has been recently produced that is called The New King James Version. ... http://www.solagratia.org /Articles/Is_the_King_ James_Version_the_Only_Perfect_Translation_of_the_Bible.aspx

Branch of David The new translations remove Lucifer and replace him with a title for the only begotten Son of God. Lucifer is out of the Bible while the Morning star fell ... http://www.branchofdavid.org/defending%20holy%20bible.htm -

NIV calls Lucifer "Jesus" How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! ... King James Version and not the New King James, it said that the word lucifer literally ... http://www.jesus-is- lord.com/nivsatan.htm

Why the King James Bible is Still the BestIn these areas, the New King James Version is dangerous. ... Isaiah 14:12, CHANGE "Lucifer" TO "morning star" ("How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, ... http://www.jesus-is- lord.com/best.htm

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noone222, more on the tribe of Dan, and Light versus Darkness:

Night Killer

Teves 5764

by Rabbi Yaakov Asher Sinclair

From the light of Chanuka to the darkness of the Fast of Tevet Times Square, New York City. Piccadilly Circus, London. Le Champs Elyse, Paris. A million watts of electricity turning night into day. We live in a society which prides itself on being 24-hour, round-the-clock. "We never close."

Our culture has blurred the distinction between the two halves of the day so that, on a social level, night has become day. In an agrarian society, the cycle of life used to be dictated by the rise and fall of the sun. The cock crowed. The fields had to be plowed. But now, battery hens burn the midnight oil - or electricity. They, like us, live in a world where we can turn night into day at will. We make night vanish in a second. Nowadays - we can kill the night.

There are two views of the world which stand eternally and implacably opposed to each other. One view seeks to place everything in the glare of day. Its understanding is bounded by that which can be dissected on the operating table of science. What cannot be seen does not exist. What cannot be brought into the light is not there. This is a world whose symbol is the sun that never waxes or wanes. It is always the same unblinking eye of fire. This is the world that wants to murder the night - to turn it into day.

But there is another world - and another people. A people that counts its seasons by the moon. A people who will emerge out of a deep darkness, just like the new moon that seems to renew itself out of a pitch black sky. A people in its darkest hour just before dawn. A people who lifts its gaze above the fluorescent glare of a world that knows no night.

The month of Tevet is the darkest time of the year. Its days are the shortest of the year and its nights the longest. The tribe associated with Tevet is the tribe of Dan. When the Children of Israel traveled and camped in the desert, they encircled the Holy Ark. The tribe of Dan was the most northerly encampment. The North is a dark cold place. The long nights of Tevet are even longer in the North. The Hebrew word for North - tzafon - is spelled the same as tzafun - which means hidden. [note: the word "occult" - which is what the Kabbalah, Talmud, and Freemasonry is, ALSO means "hidden". God said He would bring THE HIDDEN THINGS OF DARKNESS TO LIGHT http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr004.html#5 . continuing....] The Talmud tells us that one of the names of the yetzer hara - the negative drive - is tzafuni (Succa 52).

Beginning on the eighth of Tevet, three days of spiritual darkness descended on the world. The first darkness was the translation into Greek of the Torah. King Ptolemy took 70 great Torah Sages and confined them in separate cubicles and instructed them to translate the Torah. Hence its name - the Septuagint. With the translation of the Torah into Greek, the "lion which had been roaming free was put into a cage." The radiance of the Torah which shines through the sentences, the words and the letters of the Holy tongue, was shuttered into a closed room, its light constricted and obfuscated. For however accurate a translation may be, the Torah's fathomless depths, its mystical secrets, become truncated and lost when it speaks in another tongue.

The second day of darkness was the passing from this world of Ezra the Sofer on the ninth of Tevet. Ezra was among the last of the prophets. It was he who gave the Torah the letters that we recognize today - Ashurit script. By employing Ashurit, Ezra made the Torah accessible to all the people. The Torah's light was able to shine out to the least scholarly of the Jewish People. It was also Ezra who instituted the public reading of the Torah on Mondays, Thursdays and at mincha on Shabbat. Ezra brought Torah to the people. When his light went out on the ninth of Tevet, the world became darker, and the Torah - more constrained and confined.

On the tenth of Tevet, the armies of the Babylonian emperor, Nevuchadnetzar, led by his general Nevuzaradan began the siege on Jerusalem, resulting in the destruction of the first Holy Temple and the exile of the Jewish people to Babylon.

If you think about it, on the tenth of Tevet itself, ostensibly, nothing really tragic happened. No wall was breached. No one died. Not a shot was fired. Only the siege was begun.

You can look at a siege in two ways. A siege stops the beleaguered city from obtaining help and sustenance from the outside. Eventually the hapless inhabitants capitulate because of starvation. However, there's another aspect to siege. A siege also stops anyone or anything getting out. The tenth of Tevet is a tragedy of such enormous proportions because ever since that day, the Torah is itself confined under siege. It is confined in a Septuagint. It is confined in a world without prophecy, a world where what-you-see-is-what-you- get, where everything has to be glaringly on show. The Torah is trapped and confined in a padded cell whose unblinking lights are never extinguished twenty- four hours a day. And all we can hear is its beautiful muffled voice. For it is from Zion that Torah emanates to the world. And Zion was put under siege on the Tenth of Tevet.

If you count the total number of candles that we light on Chanuka, you'll find it comes to thirty-six. If you count the number of days from the 25th of Kislev, the day when Chanuka begins, till the end of Tevet, that number is also 36.

Chanuka spreads its light across two months. A month of light and a month of darkness. And even after the last night of Chanuka is over and the blaze of all its eight candles has gone out, and it seems that the night is flooded by the neon glare of artificial light, those thirty-six hidden candles burn on in the days of Tevet for the people of the moon like the thirty-six hidden tzaddikim, righteous people, on whose shoulders this world is standing."

http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/1401

Again, the people of the moon are the Tribe of Dan, and the world is NOT standing on their shoulders. This is a most antiChrist statement, as they imagine themselves the Messiah:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Isa/9/6.html

Rom 10:1 ¶ Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom010.html#3

They have even corrupted the Messianic passage Isaiah 9:6, for the word WONDERFUL, which you see there, is the SAME WORD that is translated SECRET in the KING JAMES VERSION, where Jesus, as the angel of the LORD, appears to the parents of Samson, A DANITE:

Jdg 13:18 — And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it [is] secret? [It is translated correctly as WONDERFUL in other versions.]

secret "or, wonderful. It was because his name was secret that Manoah wished to know it. But the angel does not say it was secret, but hoo pailee, ""it is wonderful;"" the very character given to the Messiah: ""His name shall be called pailai, Wonderful,"" Isa 9:6."

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/13/18.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-01   18:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

The Masons have been run out of DC politics - too much morality in their ranks.

Like Pike?

Confession Leo Taxilm And Albert Pike Freedom Ministries International Despite all its obvious nonsense - such as Albert Pike meeting with the devil ... sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, ... http://www.freedom- ministries.com/index. php?action=Confession_Leo_Taxilm_and_Albert_Pike

Confession of Leo Taxilm and Albert Pike who were masons These are the details behind Albert Pike's letter to the hierarchy of world ... sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, ... http://www.freedom- ministries.com/leo-taxil-fraud/ -

Freemasonry, Conspiracy Within The second a Satanist sees this phrase in Latin on Pike's book, ... his sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, ... http://meta- religion.com/Secret_societies/ Groups/Masonry/freemansonry_conspiracy_within.htm

A peek at Satan's "Game Plan", written by Masons in 1871 Masonry's illustrious leader and illuminati, Albert Pike’s 1871 letter to ... his sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, ... http://bibleprobe.com/forum/ messages/46.html

Christians Beware - of Freemasonry... his sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, ... Albert Pike also said; "Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy; ... http://bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.h tm

Freemasonry, Conspiracy Within, Initiation and the Brotherhood Albert Pike General Albert Pike wrote those words in a work called Morals and ... sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, ... http://www.conspirac yarchive.com/NWO/Freemasonry.htm

Illuminati News: The Secret Order of the Illuminati (A Brief ...Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma Fellowcraft Degree p.22 ] ... his sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, accompanied by a ... http://www.illuminati- news.com/moriah.htm

Bohemian Grove" Pike [Albert Pike, 'patron saint' of the Scottish Rite] was known in his ... sexual proclivities included sitting astride a phallic throne in the woods, ... http://www.the7thfire.com/ Politics% 20and%20History/bohemian_grove.htm

[PDF] The Secret Order of The Illuminati TFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML higher echelons of Freemasonry; Albert Pike, the icon of. Freemasonry, also he a 33°, ... astride a phallic throne in the woods, accompanied by a ... http://www.nogw.com/download/2005_secret-order.pdf

http://www.myspace.com/mercversu snwo33rd degree Freemason and the Luciferian-General Albert Pike. ... His reported sexual proclivities included sitting astride a phallic throne in the woods, ... http://www.myspace.com/mercversusnwo

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Unmasking the Sexual Perversions of the Illuminati

http://www.texemarrs. com/012002/two_on_a_saddle.htm

".....Albert Pike, the 19th century occultist who, as Masonry's Sovereign Grand Commander, created its rituals for the 33 degrees of the craft, was himself a notorious sodomite....."

http://www.conspiracyworld.c om/index0075.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-01   22:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: bluegrass (#43)

after him came a brother carrying the lighted candles, black, white and rose color in the form of a triangle,

Black candles have had only one connotation in European-American ritual that I know of.

these indicate directions. white is south, rose is north and black is west. there would usually be a yellow candle to indicate east too. but that could have been deliberately left out as part of the ceremony. a hole in the circle maybe pointing to the dawn or the beginning. it would make sense for a baptism.

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-08-01   22:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: SKYDRIFTER (#47)

I can't think what a Rose candle would symbolize in the Craft. That's typically a Rosicrucian symbol for Jesus - not to be found in the Scottish Rite.

the triangle into which the candles were arranged would also be a Rosicrucian symbol. the full symbol is an upright triangle in a circle - but the circle is just to represent cycles and is part of every symbol. the rosecrusian symbol was adopted by Alcoholics Anonymous when they moved out of the Oxford Group and formed their own organization. that is where most people recognize it.

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-08-01   22:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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