"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. ~ Gautama Siddhartha The Buddha
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF) These boys will be dropped off in Afghanistan and have been given only the following facts about terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus .... 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt. The Pentagon expects the problem in Afghanistan to be over by Friday.
"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. ~ Gautama Siddhartha The Buddha
It was fun looking back at my last post. There was nothing I said on that thread that I am ashamed of and though I would rather not have been banned I would rather that than surrender my principles. However, I can't say that I ever missed yuktard.
What it came down to and why we were banned was that Goldi's hypocrisy was being put on full display and so it was either ignore us and be known as a hypocrite, back down on the censorship, or take the coward's way out and flush the vocal dissent - which is what she did.
However, the bannings set up the collapse of El Pee as a forum because from there forward the reality was known.
"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. ~ Gautama Siddhartha The Buddha
However, the bannings set up the collapse of El Pee as a forum because from there forward the reality was known.
and Amen !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
Published:Mar 31, 2011 Author:Hiram Reisner Post Date:2011-03-31 03:08:07 by out damned spot Views:5
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Potential 2012 GOP presidential contender Donald Trump says there absolutely is a Muslim problem in the world, and he couldnt believe a mosque is being built near the site of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center. Trump also told Fox News Bill OReilly Wednesday night it is important President Barack Obama produce his birth certificate, and put the issue to rest.
In the first part of an interview, the continuation of which will be aired Thursday night, Trump touched on a wide range of social and fiscal issues, including his opposition to gay marriage; his pro-life stance; his opinion that U.S. borders should be militarized to deter illegal immigration; his views on union activity; and the need to be able to shop for healthcare.
OReilly asked Trump whether there is a Muslim problem in the world.
Absolutely, absolutely I dont notice Swedish people knocking down the World Trade Center, Trump said. I came out very strongly against the mosque being built virtually across the street.
The fact is, it was so insensitive when they announced the mosque in that location, he said. Dont forget, thats my territory Manhattan. When they announced the mosque in that location, I couldnt believe it.
Trump said although there is a world Muslim problem, it does not reflect on all Muslims.
And thats the sad part about life, because you have fabulous Muslims I know many Muslims, and they are fabulous people, theyre smart, theyre industrious, he said. Unfortunately, at this moment in time, there is a Muslim problem in the world.
Turning to the issue of Obamas birth, Trump said at first he hadnt contested the president was born in Hawaii, but circumstances made him think twice. He also said it is wrong to demonize people who question the need for Obama to produce proof.
People have birth certificates . . . now, he may have one, but there is something on that birth certificate maybe religion, maybe it says hes a Muslim or he may not have one, Trump said. But I will tell you this: If he wasnt born in this country, its one of the great scams of all time.
On the issue of health insurance, when asked whether he thought people who cant afford healthcare should have access to it, Trump said there is a moral obligation to help people, but he believes people who can pay should be able to go out and price healthcare privately.
When I buy health insurance, I cant go across state lines to buy it, Trump said. And I can make a better deal in New Jersey than I can in New York. We should be able to go out and price it privately. I dont want to be stuck with one or two companies in New York. If I want to buy healthcare for my people, I should be able to bid it out.
Turning to the economy, OReilly noted that part of the reason America has just gone through a recession is because of Wall Street actions, and he asked Trump whether he would crack down on brokers.
I would not do that youre making it so tough for our companies, our Wall Street people, to compete with the rest of the world, Trump said. Because you have guys in London, guys in Switzerland, guys in Hong Kong, that are giving very, very good deals and they dont have the kind of regulation we have here. Im not a big regulation person.
When asked about unions, and moves across the country to curb benefits, Trump said it is not a one-size-fits-all situation.
I have a great relationship with unions I understand whats happening, lets say, in Wisconsin, Trump said, adding that Gov. Scott Walker might be right in dealings with his unions, but I think it doesnt necessarily apply to all states.
Ive had great relationships over the years with unions, weve had collective bargaining . . . Ive dealt with unions, because as you know, New York is largely unions, he said. I have great friends that are in unions, and heads of unions, so I havent had the same difficulty and problem. But I think you have to do what is right for your area.
On illegal immigration, Trump said: You either have a country or you dont; you either have a line and a boundary, or you dont.
Something has to be done, he continued. You put soldiers on that line, adding there is no choice. Theyre coming over, and theyre climbing over a fence, and theres nobody within 10 miles and theyre selling drugs all over the place, theyre killing people all over the place and were not doing anything about it.
Trump said, however, it is hard to generalize about the illegal immigrants who are already in the country.
Youre going to have to look at the individual people, see how theyve done, see how productive theyve been, see what theyre references are and then make a decision, he said. You have some great, productive people and then you have some total disasters that probably should be in prison.
Trump then turned to social issues.
On abortion: As you know, I am pro-life, Trump said. I used to not be pro-life; Ive become pro-life, adding he has not yet decided whether, if he was president, he would ban abortion. Im forming an opinion Im forming a really strong opinion, Ill let you know in about three or four weeks.
On gay marriage: Im against it, Trump said. I just dont feel good about it I dont feel right about it . . . and I take a lot of heat, because I come from New York.
I say that we have other problems we have other problems in this country, he continued. I dont think a president should be elected on gay marriage, or not gay marriage.
Donald Trump says there absolutely is a Muslim problem in the world
Many of us have been saying that since 9/11, even though it has been ongoing for centuries.
I'm Back posted on 2011-03-31 3:10:19 ET ReplyTrace
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come, let us reason, should we not ?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
yukon joined here and was done in quick. Sneakypete joined in and was restricted after his posts went into insult mode.
We can handle them. The crazies would move to freedom4um and we would be stuck with the thoughtful ones who may have felt constrained on LP.
Destro posted on 2011-03-31 1:15:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
when did destro climb out ? snickers
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.Samuel Adams
So who did you say you are again? Buckeroo? 22rifle? Which is it?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
If any Clown Posse type stuff is going on (and it appears there is) the culprits are not who you think they are.
So who are they then? Hmmm?
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You did say they are not who the other poster thinks they are........so how do you know that?
Still waiting for an answer.
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"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Good speculation on things in this thread at the Nest:
Thanks, looks like there's a good deal of info there to sift through.
BTW, is Destro that much of an idiot he thinks people here will flock to LP since yukon is gone? People are here because Goldi BANNED them for speaking out against Bush or Israel, or for liking Ron Paul. It has ZERO to do with yukon, hopefully that will dawn on him sometime.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
One thing I've noticed is that the Posse ALWAYS took an interest in TLBSHOW, for whatever reason. They hounded him wherever he went.
"The real deal is this: the royalty controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
It would prolly be the same crew who forced Clown Posse to close their doors. Or at least a few of the Toakers who showed back up at LP recently, might know something about what is going on. Think about who posted at CP, Toakers, LP and has a history of playing games. Who would that be?
There is someone, at LP, who has a long history of harassing people, and taking over websites. And the person did not originate at FR- but a totally different site. This person is very good at having numerous ISPs, from around the country ( so to keep mods and owners very confused about who they are), and sock puppet accounts to harass people with, and is very good at cyber stalking (making threats with lawyers and what not) and other tom foolery.
And has done this before at a site not at all associated with FR or it's offspins.
If it is as simple as what is being presented, that Goldi- is covering up for yukon- that seems illogical to me. Gatlin- the previous banned poster, seems to have every confidence that he is going to take over the site.
I wonder who the Gatlin poster is friends with- who might have helped him with a take over- and why he is being so confident, in such a short time after Goldi's *shut out* or death?
Or was it planned for a long time? Or is it just a comedy sketch?
And- my prayers for Goldi- whatever happened to her. It is sad that someone,who contributed to our posting entertainment for so many years (like her or not)- may have died- and all anyone seems to care about is the three ring circus of yukon being gay.
I wish people could be kinder to each other. These sites breed the worst in human nature it seems. Hopefully, whoever is doing this thing at LP- will be discovered and held accountable for breeding anger, confusion and hatred.
Not everything is as it seems. Some who might seem like they don't care about Goldi in public are in fact working hard behind the scenes to check up on her.
I haven't followed these LP threads, nor do I recall much about the prominent posters there. I think I was banned by Goldi, but I don't honestly don't know or care.
Can someone give me a quick take on her demise? Sounds like unadulterated BS to me. Who will carry on her work of putting Israel first?
Some who might seem like they don't care about Goldi in public are in fact working hard behind the scenes to check up on her.
Are they mining her personal information too? Prepping to post it on the Internet? Or are such shenanigans solely for the posters disliked by 22rifle, Gatlin, Harrowup and Yukon?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr
I wish people could be kinder to each other. These sites breed the worst in human nature it seems.
I do too, although I recognize that the probability that these folks will wake up some day to the good in treating one another with a minimum of courtesy is vanishingly small.
I don't believe however that that these sites breed the very worst in human nature. Although I haven't seen the worst om human nature, I have heard tell about the most bestial types of behavior of man toward his fellows from actors who have seen it first hand. I'd offer you some examples at this point, but I don't want to ruin your morning or mine. Suffice it to say that human beings are capable of doing things that, if you witnessed them yourself, you'd be fit to disgorge.
It's worthy to note that while most men are capable of the worst under certain circumstances, the majority of them won't volunteer their services unless they are under contract, and won't club, butcher or shoot other people to death unless they are properly paid. I believe that most of the posters that post regularly on that other site (and a certain number that post here as well) would gladly sign up for that kind of duty in return for a decent monthly check plus benefits.
Actually she's been dead and a zombie for decades !!!
"What is required is the abolition of the Federal Reserve and its insidious control over the economic life of America. Instead of tax bills, the bankers and their hirelings need to be served with court summons. The bankers should be charged with financial crimes against humanity, not tax avoidance. " - Kurt Nimmo -2011
I don't know. I know for a fact it isn't yukon/I'm Back, 22rifle, or Gatlin.
After reading your posts here and those of "I'm Back" over at the loony bin known as Liberty Post, your screen name blatantly screams your actual identity.
It's obvious that you are yukon.
yukon - I'm Back - NotAgainYesAgain.
You really aren't all that bright, are you?
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
I know for a fact it isn't yukon/I'm Back, 22rifle, or Gatlin.
Too much interest and defense of 22rifle, plus all this talk of "confidential" makes a case for 22rifle having to open an account to defend himself as nobody else jumps in to defend him.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
I wish people could be kinder to each other. These sites breed the worst in human nature it seems.
These sites are home to people, some of whom love it when America goes to war, while others, like those here, hate it. So this 'flaw in human nature' you see is a normal reaction to the insane excuses war hawks offer as reasons to continue killing people who are no threat to US.
Too much interest and defense of 22rifle, plus all this talk of "confidential" makes a case for 22rifle having to open an account to defend himself as nobody else jumps in to defend him.
Oh, believe me...22rifle has plenty of sycophants and toadies in his corner.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Oh, believe me...22rifle has plenty of sycophants and toadies in his corner.
None would come over here and defend him......he created a name over here to defend himself and then rushed back over LP with a copy and paste. He's as transparent as Cling Wrap.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
Actually she's been dead and a zombie for decades !!!
Ah.. like Lazarus. lol
Solutions for Ireland. Say NO to the IMF/World bank. Default on our debt. Print our own debt free currency. Nationalise the trillion euros worth of gas and oil off our west coast. Take back our fishing (200 billion worth). Get our farmers growing again. Done deal if our politicians had the backbone. ~ Jim Corr
These sites are home to people, some of whom love it when America goes to war, while others, like those here, hate it. So this 'flaw in human nature' you see is a normal reaction to the insane excuses war hawks offer as reasons to continue killing people who are no threat to US.
Nicely put. It is just that - sanity (peace and coexistence) versus insanity (kill, kill, kill, kill, ...).
On one hand you have the constructive seeking to build a better place and those whose reaction is to destroy - maniacally.
"Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. ~ Gautama Siddhartha The Buddha
I don't really know what is going on, I can't even stomach to read the threads over there about it, anymore. I hope she just sold the site and moved on. It is odd that she hasn't shown up anywhere to dispute the story that she is dead.
My olive branch to her? Ah yea. I am not the one who had an entire site for the purpose of stalking her. She can not say the same about me.
The first thing I knew about Mel, she showed up at a site where I was posting, asking for prayers for her brother who was killed in action- she then befriend me- and then went directly to another site- and made up lies about me, mixed in with some things she knew about me as her *friend*, and stabbed me in the back repeatedly.
She then had a site- Tears of a Kloghn - where she stalked me, to every site I posted at, and threatened me for years that she would expose my address and personal information - collecting up my personal information, and continuing to inflame people with all sorts of lies about me. She also was part of the group of people who claimed that I killed a veteran from FR- and wanted to expose my personal information- so that people, armed with the story that I killed a veteran, could pay me a visit.
She threatened to sue me- posting at LP the name of a lawyers office and a cease and desist letter, claiming I was slandering her.
So yea- about that Olive Branch- I don't think so. I am not the one who is in a war.
:) Thanks for the post. It has been a real eye opener to see the posters at LP who are carrying on like that- on a thread that is announcing someone's death.
Be she dead or not, I have to say that ,that thread shows the worst in human nature to me.
It is so callous. It is so shallow and devoid of emotion. It freaks me out actually. I think I have seen the worst, coldest behavior.
I have seen some bad things, guess I really have lived a very privileged life that way- to not have seen this darker side of people. That is until I got online.