President Trump calls it a witch hunt, but it really is a coup against American democracy. The Democrats who want Trump impeached dont realize this. They just want Trump impeached because they dont like him. The impeach Trump people dont understand that if the coup against the elected president succeeds, every future president will know that if he attempts to drain the swamp or bring any changes not acceptable to the ruling elite, he, too, will be destroyed. Voters who want real change will also get the message and give up trying to elect a president or members of the House and Senate who will be responsive to voters. It will mean the end of democracy and accountable government. Unhindered rule by the Deep State and associated elites will take democracys place.
It is unfortunate that progressives do not understand this. Progressives want real change and Trump impeached, but these desires are at variance with one another.
Few, if any, of the impeach Trump crowd are paying any attention to the fabricated case against Trump that has taken the place of the Russiagate fabrication that failed. They could not care less what the case is or whether it is a fabrication. Dislike of Trump suffices.
Nevertheless, lets look at the fabricated case.
First of all, the alleged whistleblower is not a legitimate whistleblower. He is Eric Ciaramella, a CIA officer with a second-hand complaint who met with House Intelligence (sic) chairman Adam Schiff a month ahead to orchestrate the event. Ciaramella served on Obamas staff when VP Joe Biden was point man for Ukraine. Ciaramella also worked with CIA Director John Brennan, the architect of Russiagate, and with a Democratic National Committee operative who encouraged Ukraine officials to come up with dirt on President Trump.
All of this and more has caused the whistleblower to withdraw from testifying.
Desperate for a substitute, Democrats have come up with tainted career bureaucrats who favor military aid to Ukraine and a hard line toward Russia. Bill Taylor a US diplomat in Ukraine claims that Trumps ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, said that US military aid to Ukraine was conditional on Ukraine reopening the governments investigation into the Ukrainian company, Burisma, an investigation that VP Joe Biden had closed down. Burisma is the company that paid as much as $1.75 million to Biden and his son.
Taylor claims that another bureaucrat, Tim Morrison, told him that Sondland communicated the quid pro quo to an aide to Zelensky.
Sondland rejects the claims by Taylor and Morrison.
A Ukrainian born rabid anti-Russian US Army officer serving on the National Security Council, Alexander Vindman, also offers two cents of unverified quid pro quo claims. Vindmans motive seems to be that President Trump is inclined to follow a different policy toward Ukraine than Vindman prefers.
This is the extent of the case against Trump. Amazingly weak considering that Ukrainian president Zelensky has stated publicly that there was no quid pro quo and that the released transcript of the Trump-Zelensky conversation shows no quid pro quo.
Now for the issue of the alleged quid pro quo. It seems that everyone on both sides of the argument takes for granted without a second of thought that if there was a quid pro quo, there was an offense, possibly one sufficiently offensive to warrant impeachment. This is utter ignorant nonsense.
Quid pro quos are endemic in US foreign policy and always have been. The US government offered Ecuador president Lenin Moreno a $4.2 billion IMF loan in exchange for revoking Julian Assanges asylum. Moreno took the deal.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/assange-bought-4-2-billion-former-ecuadorian-president-confirms-imf-loan-exchange-assange/5674374
Washington offered the Venezuelan military money to overthrow President Maduro. The military refused the offer.
Dozens of examples come readily to mind. Research would produce enough to fill a book.
What do you think the sanctions are that the US president places on countries? They are punishments that Washington imposes for not accepting Washingtons deal.
As for a quid pro quo deal between the US executive branch and president of Ukraine, we have VP Joe Bidens boast that he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who was investigating corruption in the firm that had purchased US protection by putting Bidens son, Hunter, on Burismas board. Joe Biden brags in front of the Council on Foreign Relations that he gave the Ukrainian president 6 hours to fire the prosecutor or forfeit $1 billion in US aid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4
https://www.dailywire.com/news/ukraine-prosecutor-that-biden-got-fired-says-he-was-told-to-back-off-investigation-report-says?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Actengage
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story
As Biden was US Vice President at the time and is currently the leading Democratic candidate for the US presidential nomination, he is clearly guilty of what Trump is accused. Why is only Trump subject to investigation? If an offense that is merely suspected or alleged suffices for impeaching a president, why isnt a known and admitted and bragged about offense reason to disqualify Biden from being president?
One would think that a question this obvious would be the topic of debate. But not a word from the presstitutes, Democrats, or Republicans.
Finally, there is the question of the whistleblower law. If this interpretation sent to me by a reliable source is correct, there is no basis in law for the alleged whistleblower complaint.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/09/30/the-whistleblower-complaint-is-an-orchestration-not-in-compliance-with-whistleblower-law/
#1: GreyLmist To: Horse (#0)
The Whistleblower Complaint Is an Orchestration Not in Compliance with Whistleblower Law - PaulCraigRoberts.org | September 30, 2019
The so-called "whistleblower" is an accomplice parroting whoever the "gossipy" leaker is that illegally spoke to them about a classified phone call between President Trump and the President of Ukraine. Who is that national security breaching leaker and why haven't we heard yet that they've been charged as a lawbreaker?
GreyLmist posted on 2019-11-26 03:19:21 Reply Private Reply
#2: GreyLmist To: Horse (#0)
This manifestly disqualifes the nonsensical Democrat Party from the 2020 election, imo:
McConnell: Democrats would rather impeach Trump than fund our military - YouTube, 4 minutes | Published on Oct 30, 2019 by Fox News
@ 0:52 , (R-KY) Senator McConnell: "If Democrats filibuster this Defense funding, as they've threatened to, they will literally be filibustering the exact kind of Military assistance for Ukraine over which they are trying to impeach the President. Let me say that again: This legislation is what appropriates the money for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative - precisely the program the Democrats are trying to impeach President Trump for supposedly slow-walking. And yet, tomorrow - right here in the Senate, they say they're going to filibuster funding for the exact same program. Only in Washington - only in Washington would you see a show like that. They want to impeach the President for delaying assistance to Ukraine while they block funding for the program themselves. I'd say it's unbelievable except that's exactly what's happening."
GreyLmist posted on 2019-11-26 04:51:53 Reply Private Reply
#3: BTP Holdings To: GreyLmist (#2)
Is this what this phony impeachment is all about? Talk about double standards.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Maybe these clowns should be thrown out themselves or censured at the very least. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2019-11-26 05:19:55 Reply Private Reply
#4: GreyLmist To: BTP Holdings (#3)
Yes, at the very least. Evidently, they can't even read properly:
GreyLmist posted on 2019-11-26 07:19:58 Reply Private Reply
#5: BTP Holdings To: GreyLmist (#4)
And to think this was all out in public view for anyone to read at their leisure. Maybe they need some new advisors too. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2019-11-26 07:41:31 Reply Private Reply
#6: GreyLmist To: BTP Holdings (#5)
The Communistas seemingly exist in an alternate dimension where they believe nothing from anyone that contradicts their inane lies and fictions. Examples [4um Ref.]:
Nevertheless, they continually insist against logic that Russia wanted to "help" Trump win the election and harm HRC's electability. As a result of that lie, America was put on a war footing against any nation of the world the Commiecrats accuse of "election interference" because DHS Sec Jeh Johnson declared elections to be among our Critical Infrastructures, making even alleged Facebook ads that they don't like the equivalent of an Aggressive Act of War in the range of a War Crime. He did that based on the so-called "Intelligence Community Assessment of January 2017" re: the alleged Russia hacks of Democrat cyber-systems data and such -- based on no inspection by any Intel agency here whatsoever of the DNC server, which the Democrat Party refused to turn over to them despite several requests.
What that Russia-villification "Assessment" was bizarrely based on is just the CrowdStrike reportings by that company's Moscow-born "cyber security" official, Dmitry Alperovitch -- who is suspected himself of staging the mess on behalf of the supposedly "Anti-Russian" Democrat Party, Neocons&Never Trumpers, Globalist agendists, Oligarchish money moguls, et al. Now we're in the Ukrainegate phase where they want Trump impeached for what they've done and threatened to do themselves, with an Inquisitional "Dem. Star Chamber"/Soviet-styled kangaroo court that obstructs and denies Due Process procedures for Republicans -- but Leftists aren't concerned at all about the national security breaching leaker and lawbreaker, who they claim informed their alleged "whistleblower" of wrongful actions by Trump that the Ukraine phone call transcript verifies didn't happen. Pelosi didn't even wait for it to be publicly released for reading before she launched the Impeachment "Inquiry". Maybe she thought of it like "national health care legislation" or something that would have to be Congressionally voted on as "approved" before it could be read and understood by others. They definitely do need better advisors but most likely wouldn't be convinced to reconsider unless it's what they want to hear.
GreyLmist posted on 2019-11-26 19:40:49 Reply Private Reply
#7: BTP Holdings To: GreyLmist (#6)
ROTFLOL
And to think that Hillary and Bill benefitted from "donations" to the Clinton Foundation by arranging 20% of U.S. Uranium to be taken by the Russians.
This indeed was a Quid Pro Quo that Trump has been accused of that never happened. This was the Uranium One scandal.
Hillary was Secretary of State at the time. So why has she not been tried, convicted and put in prison yet? ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2019-11-26 19:52:42 Reply Private Reply