Why would any of you *think* for even a *fleeting* second that a person

I CAN THINK of several that fit that description during my lifetime. Perhaps we could narrow it down to two or three?

If so then the description fits FDR to a T.

FDR...Born with silver spoon in mouth. Family, Delanos, opium trade, Fed Res.

Ladies man WHILE IN OFFICE. Swore never go to war, half million American kids died. FDR stayed in office and people were dumb enough for four terms. THE GRIM REAPER FINALLY EXCISED THE BASTARD.

I actually think the Grim Reaper had help. Don't forget the Dickstein Commission investigating the fascist cabal that included "w"s (Bush) grand-daddy and others trying to overthrow the govt. (Too Big To Jail).

And, in my opinion, he has already been the most successful president in my lifetime

You must have grossly lowered your standard in 2017...

He has been by no measure whatsoever been singularly successful at anything...

By the way, war, are you a bot ???

Based upon my self observation in the shower this morning...no...

Hands down the dumbest President in my lifetime and far more crooked than Nixon ever was...

Does *small* government to you mean *one man above the law making the law*?

Fat Don couldn't

Good heavens, such language.

Shallow view of history is quite evident, combined with chrronic acidic stomach, is quite apparent. Very bad combination.

Good heavens, such language.

Shallow view of history is quite evident, combined with chrronic acidic stomach, is quite apparent. Very bad combination.

War, has stumbled in here accidentally most likely the result of banging his block-head against the BORDER WALL after contracting Trump derangement syndrome. Poor thing, hasn't a chance of surviving it for another 5 years.

after contracting Trump derangement syndrome.

That is a winner.

Truth now, is it original???

Unlike FDR, Trump has not yet deliberately lied us into war.

Ada...

Difference in time and society. I knew at eight years olde that war was coming. How was that possible? We had a daily 5 cent newspaper and radio at night. Adults gathered and talked at night. We were dirt poor but adults were paying attention, I had two older brothers, one of which paid the full price.

Hard lesson learned???

When you are at the very bottom of the social ladder, be assured that the government, regardless of party, will fight any war to the last drop of your blood.

That is a fact, that is life.

Why would any of you *think* for even a *fleeting* second that a person who almost immediately squandered a several hundred million dollar inheritance and who then went on a 25 year tear of deceit, which includes serial fornication, bankruptcies, fraud and failures and who then adopted the wholly contrived persona of an older, fatter Karsashian, without the business success, in the misnamed *Reality* TV medium, would be a successful President of the United States...

Quite simply because Donald J. Trump is Chairman of the Board. Not to mention, YOU ARE FIRED! ;)

Unlike FDR

During the time previous to the attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. had already broken the Jap Naval Code. So the U.S. knew what was coming. Why do you think the carriers were at sea?

Roosevelt let Pearl Harbor happen since he knew the outcome would mean war. And that would mean the U.S. economy would get mobilized and there would be hundreds of thousands of volunteers.

My Mom was in love with a Seabee but he got killed in the South Pacific. :-/

Quite simply because Donald J. Trump is Chairman of the Board. Not to mention, YOU ARE FIRED! ;)

I like people when they cut right to the chase.

far more crooked than Nixon ever was...

Nixon was not a crook.

FDR knew that embargoing Japan's oil would mean war.

Was oil embargoed before first attack?

Was oil embargoed before first attack?

The oil embargo DID NOT cause Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. The embargo was a catalyst, not a cause of the war. The historical record is quite clear - the embargo started in July 1941, but Japan started planning an attack on Pearl Harbor at the start of 1941, several months before the embargo even happened.

www.quora.com/Did-the-emb...ate-the-bombing-of-Pearl-Harbor

Nixon was not a crook.

No, he was just stupidly paranoid about an election that he had in the bag.

The oil embargo DID NOT cause Japan to attack Pearl Harbor.

Actually Japan FIRST attacked the US on Dec.12...1937...

The Japanese air force attacked and sank an American gunboat in China killing several American service men and machine gunning survivors in lifeboats.

So the war actually started four years earlier, Dec. 1937.

From that day forward the US KNEW WHAT WAS COMING. If you check history, you will find that the US started withdrawing American civilians from all Pacific outposts and bases...IN JUNE 1941...six months before second attack.

Anyone could have been President, the die was cast and FDR went with it.

he was just stupidly paranoid about an election that he had in the bag.

No doubt there. I voted for Nixon in '72, just out of HS. He proved to me he was great President by bringing North Vietnamese to peace table in Paris. ;)

I like people when they cut right to the chase.

I had a good laugh on that one Cyni. ROTFLMAO!

Was oil embargoed before first attack?

Before the Pearl attack. An embargo is an act of war.

Before the Pearl attack. An embargo is an act of war.

Pearl Harbor was the SECOND attack on America.

Did FDR embargo oil after Americans died and ships were sunk in the FIRST attack on Dec. 12...1937...????

good read

mises.org/library/how-us-...apans-attack-pearl-harbor

Did FDR embargo oil after Americans died and ships were sunk in the FIRST attack on Dec. 12...1937...????

No connection even though he could have used it. Congress, however, would still have had to make the declaration and it might not have done it.

Israel attacked the USS Liberty and instead of declaring war, LBJ did everything he could to cover it up.

from your url...

Most important, the U.S. government engaged in a series of increasingly stringent economic warfare measures that pushed the Japanese into a predicament that U.S. authorities well understood would probably provoke them to attack U.S. territories and forces in the Pacific region in a quest to secure essential raw materials that the Americans, British, and Dutch (government in exile) had embargoed.2 How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor | Robert Higgs

This is factual on its face but far from the truth...

After the attack in Dec. 1937 AMERICA DID NOT EMBARGO OIL... Nor scrap metal...

American military died and WE DID NOTHING. I had older friend that served time in China and on the Panay before it was sunk. We need to realize that Hitler and Germany HAD NOT STARTED WW2 at the time. HOW COULD FDR HAVE WANTED TO GO TO WAR WITH GERMANY AT THE TIME WHEN THERE WAS NO WAR UNTIL 1939?

George Patton in 1938 stationed in Hawaii warned the war dept. that Japan was coming and from what direction, THREE YEARS BEFORE FDR PROVOKED JAPAN.

We all hated FDR, he did provoke the timing of the war and very poorly. However we have to realize, WWII was coming no matter who was in White House.

No connection even though he could have used it.

No connection???

In 1920, one year after WWI, the US started preparing the Malinta tunnel on Corregidor island for the coming invasion by Japan. The military used shiploads of cement, BOUGHT FROM JAPAN because it was cheaper.

The military knew Japan was coming, the government knew it and FDR was a nobody.

The wheels of war for Pearl Harbor were rolling in 1919. FDR was in charge in 1941 and he bungled the entire affair

No connection???

Attacking a gunboat had no connection with embargoing Japanese oil. AFAIK we did not retaliate. .

Yes, the US military having nothing better to do was worried about Japan's intentions in the Pacific which seemed to be tossing out the colonial occupying powers, including the US, and substituting itself in their place. Remember The Greater Southeast Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere? (Eventually it came to pass for a while in the 1960s.)

When their oil was embargoes, the Japanese felt they must attack or die. FDR wanted that and put the carriers to sea and left some old battleships in the harbor as bait. Worked well enough for his purpose.

Ballad of October 16

HOW COULD FDR HAVE WANTED TO GO TO WAR WITH GERMANY AT THE TIME WHEN THERE WAS NO WAR UNTIL 1939?

His New Deal was a failure. He needed a war to pull us out of the Depression.

Why would any of you *think* for even a *fleeting* second that a person who almost immediately squandered a several hundred million dollar inheritance and who then went on a 25 year tear of deceit, which includes serial fornication, bankruptcies, fraud and failures and who then adopted the wholly contrived persona of an older, fatter Karsashian, without the business success, in the misnamed *Reality* TV medium, would be a successful President of the United States...

I'll note you didn't dispute any point that I have made including this main one:

I came in with FDR and that assessment would fit the majority of our presidents.

To me Truman prolly had the least baggage.

His New Deal was a failure.

Not in any way was it a failure...

He needed a war to pull us out of the Depression.

The year before the New Deal passed the economy contracted by 12.9%...the year after it passed the economy grew by 10.8%...and continued to grow until the SCOTUS struck down two key programs...the Congress then passed them again and strong growth returned...btw...the dollar was never more stable than it was under FDR...

Israel attacked the USS Liberty and instead of declaring war, LBJ did everything he could to cover it up.

Any time anyone tries to sell me the canard that Israel is our *greatest* ally I cite that...*incident*...

Any time anyone tries to sell me the canard that Israel is our *greatest* ally I cite that...*incident*...

There are those, like Ron Unz, who contend Israel was responsible for 9/11. Argument being that while several government entities had motive, means and opportunity, only Israel had demonstrated predisposition to attack the US.

Even before SCOTUS invalidated the NRA its corporate supporters realized it was a failure.

That's a total re-write of history...the business community never supported it because of the monopolies that were inherent to the Act...

"And unemployment in 1939 was the same as it was at the beginning of the depression"

Apples and oranges...unemployment accelerated to over 25%+in 3 years...in 1939 it was coming down from that peak...

Not in any way was it a failure...

In long hindsight one may call it whatever they desire.

Those of us that were there perhaps have a different view, clouded by our ignorance.

As a child, working for 25 cents a day and my lunch was very real. Hunger is a very strict teacher. Revisionists decades after the fact are dishonest and WERE NOT THERE.

clouded by our ignorance.

Yeah, right. If cognizance were determined better because of dietary shortcomings, your example would cause many to skip lunch ! I appreciate your on the scene reporting very much. Thanks !

dietary shortcomings,

Definition...HUNGER...24/7

FDR in five years took a total of 16 million men OUT of the work force for the military, borrowed billions from the banks, put everyone to work. Depressions was over.

Downside??? Half a million men lost their lives, millions more were maimed for life. Five years later Truman dragged me off to another war.

Moral to this story??? Dont be born poor.

unemployment accelerated to over 25%+in 3 years...in 1939 it was coming down from that peak...

Yes, the US started climbing out of the Depression until there was a second crash in 1937.

Since when has the business community not loved monopolies? John D. Rockefeller certainly did. And the NRA was a compromise of special interests: businessmen seeking higher prices and barriers to competition, labor unionists seeking governmental sponsorship and protection, social workers wanting to control working conditions and forbid child labor, and the proponents of massive spending on public works.

Result was that the President was allowed to license businesses or control imports to achieve the vaguely identified objectives of the act. Every industry had to have a code of fair competition.

We still have vestiges of that today even though the law was invalidate.

As a child, working for 25 cents a day and my lunch was very real

FDR's child labor laws protected you from earning 25 cents a day. Someone was violating the law

FDR's child labor laws protected you from earning 25 cents a day. Someone was violating the law

Serious????

We were hungry Ada, we worked we ate. Even a child understands that.

We were used by those that had resources, then when war came, we were the ones that went, bled and died.

We were hungry Ada, we worked we ate. Even a child understands that

But . . .but . .FDR's banned oppressive child labor and set the minimum hourly wage at 25 cents, and the maximum workweek at 44 hours. Under the law you were not permitted to work for .$0.25 per day. Good thing you weren't caught. The law, of course, was passed for your own good.

Those BIG enough to work were "loaned" out to farmers for free labor during the summers. Pay??? None...Three meals a day and a place to sleep. Beatings? You bet.

Beatings? You bet.

Not from my maternal grandfather or Granny.

My dad was pulled out of HS and sent to the Philippines before he could go to his graduation at HS.

Dad died just before my birthday in 76. He went into fighting the cold war when he got home.

He never talked about what happened, but learned about it after having to go through it after he died however long that was.

Well Cyni, I guess that I had to do shit that would kill most of these slackers now.

Me: Nixon was not a crook.

Lod: No, he was just stupidly paranoid about an election that he had in the bag.

I don't think he was paranoid about the election. I think he was being framed by some White House Plumbers and CREEPs (Committee for the Re-Election of the President), as well as other DNC-allied Deep Staters, because he was Anti-Communist.