That's right everyone just keep debating this.

I don't believe there's any debate going on, just mindless assertions and accusations being tossed out by an individual who wishes to associate 4um with the flat earth movement.

I'm just one who likes to curb disinformation when he sees it. If the individual in question were truly trying to debate the topic, he'd at least answer the simple questions posed, such as if gravity doesn't exist, why then do objects fall to the ground when dropped.

I have my own theories on why the earth , our moon, and Mars and potentially all the planets expand but my theory of reasons is not the same as the geological evidence of actions.

As for rising sea levels ... well our star is made out of mostly hydrogen and it is spitting out a nearly unfathomable amount of matter every second. More than just plasma and light emissions so perhaps the larger lumps of matter are catching and keeping some of it. But that remains a theory.

Geologically speaking, when we can back it all up into one ball and all the continents form fit into each other from the whole sphere...

Well like I said before,. I posted some videos on it but I know some will just make fun of me for believing anything I see on youtube before looking at the material presented and applying thoughtful consideration to the presentation.

Maybe one day.

No need for YouTube...

Bro, I've delt with hard core shills such as BeAChooser and Yukon, along with all their associates back at LP, and prior to that the horde of dumbasses on FR.

Liberator appeared to be a normal sort of guy, then he got wrapped up in this flat earth insanity. I don't know if he got kicked from LF, but that's where I saw him go off the deep end on this topic.

LOL -- easy does it, we need him ;)

Here's a site bragging on the astronots' Masonic history.

freemasonscommunity.life/masonic-astronauts/

Am eagerly awaiting your explanation why NASA spokesmen including astronots are yammering about finally getting people into outer space as if Apollo never existed. They've clearly been directed to do this in saccharine Romper Room voices as if talking to masses of rubes conditioned to believe anything -- which of course they are. (Not you, the sheeple at large.)

Their images sometimes flicker where the ISS they're supposedly speaking from doesn't and that spells only one thing: f-r-a-u-d.

“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." ~ H.L. Mencken

"Because it is sometimes so unbelievable, the truth escapes being known." ~ Heraclitus (500 BC)

2 hunnerd

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

It is extremely difficult to un-wind 60 years (or so) of constant "globe" mind-control, mental imprinting and programming.

“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover

Please let us have those youtubes -- I want it ALL.

Will do. (but WARNING: You risk falling into a Truther Vortex. We might never see you again until the year 2525.)

;-)

Use 'Natuber TV' as one of your docking bases.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Antwniaco/videos?disable_polymer=1

From there you can access a slew of vids OR leap frog into several other linked YT sites in the 'CHANNELS' category up above.

As you leap frog to other "Channels," THEY in turn bounce you to OTHER recommended Truth Channels that YT may do their best to hide from algorithms, but can NOT (it's like finding the Skeleton Key to countless doors.)

https://www.youtube.com/user/Antwniaco/channels?disable_polymer=1

HIGHLY recommended brief cross-section:

1) (ODD TV) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuftdXePz6z73Wsg8Ao5lTg

SAMPLE:

The Truman Show | Based on a True Story | Under the Dome:

2) (The Potter's Clay) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpEdOLvL6olNghR-BWghUQA

SAMPLE:

A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part I:

3) LXXXVIII finis temporis

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmt5LlxFlX7_NlB0fvEXRjg

SAMPLE:

(PTB EXPOSED) FREEMASON PRISON - Hollywood, Music, Sports, Games, Wars, Space, Politics...:

Yes my brotha, we can understand their feelings, but it's such ecstasy to have a massive new rocks to throw at Goliath.

We are being CONSUMED by the 666-beast and IT IS GOING TO KILL US ALL if we don't get serious about fighting it. We can't bomb or shoot or poison the beast, but truth is its massive weakness.

Tossing "massive rocks at Goliath" (and exposing Goliath's deception of our world) is one way to look at it.

With respect to fighting the 666 Beast System, yes TRUTH is indeed the antidote.

It is up to the individual whether they voluntarily take the Red Pill or Blue Pill, right? ('The Matrix' flick was indeed more "Predictive Programming', another case of giving away an open secret of the PTB)

Moreover, as Jesus said:

"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." ~ Matthew 10:28 KJV

This is deadly serious business. The rocket godlets have made almost literal mountains of money giving us mere movies, and cheap stupid ones at that!

HA! You've touched on two great observations above....

a) The entire failed Mission by NASA is a modern day attempt by man to build *their* version of The Tower of Babel in order to "reach the Heavens" where God resides. We know what God did to it and the Babylonians.

b) The combined NASA/Hollywood productions have been about programming the Sheeple and creating illusions of "Space Travel" and "interstellar" infinite Universe.

Despite $52 MIL per day, their "Moon" productions since 1969-1972 have been proven cheap, unconvincing to many, and fraudulent hoaxes and theater when scrutinized. Epic examples of this are plastered all over YouTube.

Once again it's parallel to the wars, to which it's obviously related: trillions disappear with absolutely no benefit to the citizenry. The ego trip this scam gives the govt and military has to be a huge factor in cowing the ppl into submission and getting away with ever more mayhem.

+1000.

9/10: Sec Def Rumsfeld presser: "The Pentagram has lost $2.3 Tril."

9/11: "Nevermind."

(POOF!! The entire accounting dept at the Pentagram was atomized by a phantom "passenger jet.")

Yes, regarding another unmistakable point of yours; power is always an ego trip. Gummint has a blank check to buy whomever they want (MSM, Scientists, Educators, Entertainers, "Astroturfers") to DO whatever they want (incl causing social upheavals & launching expensive, endless war based on scripted "intel."

In short, the people-in-space program is entirely evil. Let's be liberated by this revelation, folks -- not demoralized.

AMEN!

Lies = Bondage. Truth = Freedom = "Way, Truth, and Life."

.... speaking truth to power. Didn't mean it re folks here of course, though I'm ever on the brink of saying more 10 words than discretion would allow.

I gotcha and understood you perfectly; You spoke and conveyed thoughts in general terms, and in no way did you make it personal.

Truth IS truth. It may ruffle feathers and anger some people, but that is what it is.

LOVE the Maximus meme!

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” ~ J. Edgar Hoover

"Because it is sometimes so unbelievable, the truth escapes being known." ~ Heraclitus (500 BC)

SPECTACULAR maxims.

They bear repeating...

They are important reminders of ALL of our natural thought processes at some point or another.

It reminds me of a position that may surprise many...

*I* researched my own past posts on the subject and lo and behold, had expressed my own theory not so long ago at LF to Deckard with respect to "Flat Earth." I had responded to it by theorizing that the "Flat Earth" movement was a "CT" designed by elements of the PTB to "discredit" ALL "CTs".

To my eventual utter shock....I was wrong.

The reasons I was wrong was because like most of us, I had been programmed and mind-imprinted, assuming "established facts" without trusting my own observations, common sense, real science, and several Scriptural descriptions of our realm made by its Creator.

Their images sometimes flicker where the ISS they're supposedly speaking from doesn't and that spells only one thing: f-r-a-u-d.

Dude. You can spot the ISS yourself using an app on your phone to tell you when and where it'll be in the sky in your area of the world.

I've seen it twice myself.

Once was on an early morning before the sun rose, I was checking the sky where it was supposed to appear, and lo and behold there was this bright object in the sky tracking exactly where it was supposed to. I used astronomical binoculars to get a good look and I could actually make out the shape of the solar panels.

Another time I was up in Canada visiting relatives, and I showed them how cool the app was. It was about to pass right over head practically and I got them to go outside to take a look.

Sure enough it appeared right where it was supposed to and traversed the sky according the projected path on the app.

Space travel isn't make believe dude. You know not too long ago some people didn't think men could fly either.

But in terms of the app, it can tell you where communication and weather satellites will be in sky as well. You need to get out of everything is a conspiracy mindset.

I think the big problem is that people today are afraid to accept the fact that the universe is a REALLY big place, and like to limit their worldview to something more acceptable to what they can deal with.

take a picture of the earth's curve with your own camera and post it here. oh, you can't. there is no curve. none. checkmate. earth is flat

Take a picture of a bacteria with your own camera and post it here. Oh wait, you can't.

Bacteria don't exist, nope. Checkmate, doctors have lied to you... LOL!!!

Here's another one. Go to an eastern US seacoast and take a picture of the Eiffel tower with your own camera. You can even use a telescope to help you see it.

Oh wait, you can't because the Eiffel tower is thousands of miles past the horizon.

You know how far the horizon is?

From How Far Away is the Horizon?

On a clear day, you can see for miles and miles and miles.

The old saying turns out to be just about true. For a six-foot tall person, the horizon is a little more than 3 miles (5 km) away.

Geometry tells us that the distance of the horizon – i.e. the farthest point the eye can see before Earth curves out beneath our view – depends simply on the height of the observer. For example, if you stood atop Mount Everest (which is 29,029 feet, or 8,848 meters tall), the horizon would be about 230 miles (370 km) away.

So if you're in the middle of the ocean and you're 6 feet tall, you can only see an area of about 9 square miles. That's why we need to use compasses and plot our position using navigation techniques such as using the position of the sun by day and the stars at night to traverse the ocean from point A to point B, using GLOBAL coordinates. And no, you can't see Europe from Cape Cod or anywhere else on the east coast of the US.

SPECTACULAR maxims.

You're still in the ridicule and violently oppose stage of truth that has already been known and accepted for centuries.

Moreover, as Jesus said:

"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." ~ Matthew 10:28 KJV

I find it comical that you believe some unknown author of a book of dubious origin, yet ignore and disbelieve obvious facts that any reasonably sane person could easily understand and prove with simple observations.

Religion is a FAITH based belief system devoid of any provable facts.

Science is the logical and fact based system of DISCOVERY of universal laws and facts that can be proven using well known methods that produce repeatable results.

Again, explain to me if gravity doesn't exist, why then do objects fall to the ground if they are dropped. You have ignored the simple question at least 2 or 3 times already on this thread.

If you believe science is fake, then toss out your cell phone, have your electricity shut off, and go build yourself a cabin out in the wilderness without modern tools.

Because back in the days of Jesus, if he did actually exist, electricity hadn't yet been discovered never mind harnessed, and modern tools obviously didn't exist yet either.

Your view of the earth and the rest of creation is about that of cavemen. Even the authors of the Book of Genesis had more understanding, as the actual Hebrew speaks much differently about matters than the various translations.

For instance, where the King James bible would say, "God created man in his own image", it actually says "God created MANKIND in THEIR own image".

You've been duped.

AMEN!

Lies = Bondage. Truth = Freedom = "Way, Truth, and Life."

That's why you should toss out your lies and try to educate yourself to actual truth.

And this is also why I can't really believe you're that stupid to actually believe the lies you spew, as on other threads you at least at one time appeared to be well versed on various other topics.

Maybe someone hacked your account and you're not even the real Liberator. But no, you were spouting the same nonsense on LF.

Did Stone kick you?

Did you know that people have well understood the earth to be a sphere for about 500 years, at least in terms of modern history?

Ancient civilizations also understood the earth wasn't flat and knew it had to be spherical because of the appearance of ships at sea. They could only see them coming in to a harbor when they were about 3 miles away.

They would observe the tops of the masts before they could see the rest of the ship.

Going out to sea they would observe the opposite affect, where the masts were the last thing to be seen of the ship.

You're ridiculous memes don't have any bit of common sense and appear to be created by someone who never opened a book beyond comic books.

Their images sometimes flicker where the ISS they're supposedly speaking from doesn't and that spells only one thing: f-r-a-u-d.

We've covered the ISS and I shot it down.

We know the ISS is up there because we can follow it's transits with our own commercially available telescopes , that said, any scrutiny applied to what they say is from the inside of the iss reveals many many issues.

So the question might become, "if it is really up there what in the fuck would be the point of faking footage from the inside"?

To which I would respond, why wouldn't they? Why would they reveal the inner workings of the issues to the world and public at large including enemy nations that we would rather not see utilizing our technology.

I mean look at Iran. One of our server drones crashed there and with in a year they reverse engineered our predator drones.

If the footage was legit and real rouge states all over would be all over that.

No better survalence platform on earth or rather from low earth orbit.

So if you're in the middle of the ocean and you're 6 feet tall, you can only see an area of about 9 square miles.

Gee whiz, was I trying to fool you to see who if any would catch my mistake, or did I do it by accident...

I was thinking in terms of a square. But if you can see 3 miles 360 degrees, then it is not a square, it is a circle.

The area of a square is the length of the square times the width, so the area A is the length * width of that square;

So a 3 mile(length) * 3 mile(width) square is 9 square miles in area(A).

A circle however has a different formula for area. We use the radius, 3 miles, to calculate the area as follows;

Area (A) = Pi * Radius Squared (r²)

So given a 3 mile radius, Area = 3.14 * (3 miles * 3 miles) = 28.6 square miles

So if you were in the middle of the ocean, being 6 foot tall, you'd be able to see a total of 28.6 square miles.

Gee whiz, why is that I wonder. Ever wonder why they'd position lookouts on ships into Crow's nest?

Isn't math cool?

Am eagerly awaiting your explanation why NASA spokesmen including astronots are yammering about finally getting people into outer space as if Apollo never existed.

What the hell are you talking about dude?

Perhaps they meant the PUBLIC?

I skip really whacked out videos, but if you have definitive proof of what you claim, repost it if I missed something..

We know the ISS is up there

All we know, my friend, is that something is up there. Ample evidence -- I'd say proof -- exists that it's not what's claimed.

I've posted it plenty -- look it up if you want (you won't). "I skip really whacked out videos" -- read my lips, these are NASA productions.

Bro I'm not going to fish through 200 posts and view an unknown number of videos to try to find something close to what you're talking about.

If you have proof of what you claim, you should be able to easily repost it.

One question though. Why do you think men couldn't orbit the earth in a space capsule, shuttle, or space station?

One question though. Why do you think men couldn't orbit the earth in a space capsule, shuttle, or space station?

Because NASA says so.

Because NASA says so.

So far I've only seen YOU saying that. Post credible references if any exist.

Because NASA says so.

Without using that nonsensical argument, why do you think men can't orbit the earth?

We can travel in planes, some of which approach the edge of space in terms of military aircraft.

A space vessel is just a tightly pressured plane without wings. It's not magic bro.

Post credible references if any exist.

Search it here yourself if you're that interested (you're not).

Search it here yourself if you're that interested (you're not).

So in other words you don't know of any evidence, or are not interested in debating the issue, you just want people to believe you without any evidence whatsoever.

Sorry bro, I don't believe you.

"Nonsensical argument" -- ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!

More like non-existent argument.

The Elite often co-opt BOTH sides. I'm sure you're aware of their ploys.

"Nonsensical argument"

This analogy works because it applies:

I don't know many Third Graders who can understand learned subject matter from a senior in HS. Even if explained carefully to a Third Grader, the extra nine years of accumulated information from the HS Seniors will rarely "make sense" for obvious reasons. Ergo the Third Grader will dismiss it as "stupid."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjw_DuNkOUw

NASA, their org, their "Missions," their "science," the entire Disney-like Theater:

ABSOLUTELY CRUSHED and ANNIHILATED.

What say you?

does it have anything to do with "NASA's spiritual roots" and a "fixed earth"?

hate to sound like a broken record, but titles, please? I can't see anything here but a message about a security certificate.

I apologize, Kings; I shouldn't assume. I hope you can assess this or any of these amazing videos.

TITLE:

'Disney Presents: NASA on Thin Ice | Buzz Aldrin and the Masonic Moon'

(but it's much more than about that.)

does it have anything to do with "NASA's spiritual roots" and a "fixed earth"?

YES.

Some necessary history is reviewed. Some Science is reviewed. And many claims and observations are reviewed AND exposed.

NASA's roots are Nazi, Disney, Space Program, and Cultist "Magic"/Wizardry.

https://youtu.be/ZR296RWS0yM

AUTHOR'S OVERVIEW:

Disney Presents: NASA on Thin Ice | Buzz Aldrin and the Masonic Moon.

Disney brings the magic to life with Jack Parsons, L Ron Hubbard, Wernher Von Braun, Stanley Kubrick, Buzz Aldrin and the Apollo Program.

In this video we go over the recent history of the NASA deception with a easy to follow timeline from NACA transforming into NASA to Walt Disney creating some of the very first propaganda about impossible space travel with the film 'Man in Space.

Stanley Kubrick leaving us clues about filming the moon landing in room 237. They say the moon is 237,000 miles away which is why the room is called that.

NASA admits on several occasions that they can't go beyond low earth orbit due to the deadly Van Allen Radiation Belt, but that's only code for the firmament / dome.

We live on a level and stationary plane and we've been lied to about many things, including evolution, the moon landing, space travel, Antarctica, the shape of the earth, etc. Hollywood is constantly bomarding the minds of the masses with the idea that outer space exists in the capacity we are told by mainstream science which has been proven wrong time and time again.

OTHER WELL-RESEARCHED VIDEOS BY THIS AUTHOR:

The Case for Flat Earth | ODD TV Presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8udts...

NASA Fails Again & Again | Space is Fake | Glitch on the ISS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS0VN...

History of Fake Space | Outer Space Does Not Exist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7QT...

Flat Earth Timeline | The History of Flat Earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIB2U...

A Stranger's Guide to Flat Earth | 21 Questions and Answers (Proving The Earth Is Flat):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xCl...

Journey to the Center of the Flat Earth | North Pole Hidden Land:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRhZI...

Flat Earth | As Seen on TV | Movies & Television Shows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jnse...

Bill Nye Indoctrinates the World | Why Flat Earth Matters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jyLG...

Flat Earth | Amber Plaster | Earth Not A Globe | Moana - How Far I'll Go Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ5HJ...

Flat Earth & Project Blue Beam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFFM3...

Flat Earth | Seven Planets of the Universe | The Wandering Stars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQQOh...

Flat Earth & the Fisheye Lens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXkCg...

NASA Can't Go Beyond Low Earth Orbit | Flat Earth Firmament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmoiw...

Flat Earth | 100% Proof Space Travel is Fake & Mars Missions are Too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9i97...

ODD TV's Flat Earth Trilogy | True World, Learning Curve and Epic Deception:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARp2j...

Neil deGrasse Tyson Exposed | Hollywood Actor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcqFD...