Ancient Earth A team of Harvard scientists believe the remnants of an ancient Earth that date to the time another planet collided with ours to produce the moon may still be lodged deep within the Earths mantle
If you thought it was a trip to see the Earth from space, then wait until you get a load of this: A team of scientists from Harvard University believe that have found evidence that an ancient Earth exists inside our planet. The team believes that a previously unexplained isotopic ratio from deep within the Earth might be a signal from material from before our world collided with another planet-sized body, which led to the creation of the Moon. This might be an echo of an ancient Earth that existed 4.5 billion years ago, prior to the proposed collision.
The current favored theory says that the Moon was formed 4.5 billion years ago when the Earth collided with a mass the size of Mars, dubbed Theia. This theory states that the heat generated by the collision would have melted the whole planet before some of the debris spun off to create the Moon.
But now, the team at Harvard, led by Associate Professor Sujoy Mukhopadhyay, believe that theyve found evidence to support that only part of the Earth melted, and that an ancient part still exists within the planets mantle.
According to Professor Mukhopadhyay: The energy released by the impact between the Earth and Theia would have been huge, certainly enough to melt the whole planet. But we believe that the impact energy was not evenly distributed throughout the ancient Earth. This means that a major part of the impacted hemisphere would probably have been completely vaporized, but the opposite hemisphere would have been partly shielded, and would not have undergone complete melting.
The team analyzed the ratios of noble gas isotopes from deep within the Earths mantle and compared the results to isotope ratios closer to the surface. They found that 3He to 22Ne ratio from the shallow mantle is significantly higher than the equivalent ratio deep within the mantle.
Professor Mukhopadhyay remarked: This implies that the last giant impact did not completely mix the mantle and there was not a whole mantle magma ocean.
Further evidence comes from analysis of the 129-Xenon to 120-Xenon ratio. Material brought to the surface from the deep mantle has a lower ratio than whats normally found near the surface. Because 129-Xenon is produced by the radioactive decay of 129-Iodine, the isotopes place the formation age of the ancient section of mantle to within the first 100 million years of Earths history.
The geochemistry indicates that there are differences between the noble gas isotope ratios in different parts of the the planet, and these need to be explained. The idea that a very disruptive collision of the Earth with another planet-sized body, the biggest event in our planets geological history, did not completely melt and homogenize the Earth challenges some of our notions on planet formation and the energetics of giant impacts. If the theory is proven correct, then we may be seeing echoes of the ancient Earth, from a time before the collision, said Professor Mukhopadhyay.
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Professor Richard Carlson of the Carnegie Institution Department of Terrestrial Magnetism stated: This exciting result is adding to the observational evidence that important aspects of Earths composition were established during the violent birth of the planet and is providing a new look at the physical processes by which this can occur.
The findings of the team at Harvard coincide with a German teams findings supporting the theory that the Moon was formed 4.5 billion years ago after a catastrophic collision with a planet-sized mass.
What was this ancient Earth? Was there life there? We hope new findings about the ancient Earth will come out as quickly as possible, so we can discover more about the ancient history of our world.
#6: Lod To: Liberator (#1)
Lod posted on 2020-01-26 08:29:19 Reply Private Reply
#7: titorite To: Liberator (#1)
youtu.be/3HDb9Ijynfo
titorite posted on 2020-01-26 08:35:12 Reply Private Reply
#8: Cynicom To: Lod (#3)
Lot of HOLLOW headed people walking around out there.
Myself, I think the world is shaped like a dumb bell. Yes I do, really.
Proof? People use to call me dumbell when I was young...
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-26 08:37:40 Reply Private Reply
#9: Lod To: Cynicom (#8)
Maybe the Nazis are thriving under Antarctica...
I need to go feed pooch to clear my head.
Lod posted on 2020-01-26 08:47:26 Reply Private Reply
#10: Cynicom To: Lod (#9)
Real headache...Fly across the International Date line, back and forth in one day.
As a dumbell kid, I got really confused.
Cynicom posted on 2020-01-26 08:59:28 Reply Private Reply
#11: Lod To: Cynicom (#10)
Changing my watch back and forth would have been plenty confusing.
Lod posted on 2020-01-26 09:06:04 Reply Private Reply
#12: Liberator To: Bill D Berger, Lod, titorite, NeoconsNailed (#2)
Byrd was an honorable man...
YET, we've often noted what happens to honorable men and/or those who dare tell the truth about ANYTHING "un-approved" by "The Authoritahs".
Btw, BDB, I actually read all your links -- including "Hollow Earth" and Admiral Byrd's diary. (same of your link on Hollow Earth, Lod. Fascinating.)
This follow up on Admiral Byrd's Antarctica excursions and aftermath was also riveting.
So WHERE lies is THE Truth?? Is it 100%? 75%? 50%? 2%?
**NOTE: My initial objection and ridicule of the original submitted story (from Harvard), was about the MSM/Academe's usual conflation of blending Absurdity WITH Possibility, so that an entire premise gets discredited. Discard the BS (about the 4.5b moon-earth collision), and there IS some meat on that bone.
There actually is so much to discuss, but for now I'll quote only the one above; It is curious in that the same US Gummint who silenced Byrd on March 11, 1947 (see below), allowing him to first be a guest on a Longines-sponsored TV show in 1954, THEN in the next year 1955-1956, they STILL allowed Byrd to lead yet another expedition BACK to Antarctica in what was to be called, 'OPERATION: DEEP FREEZE.' (RIP Byrd in 1957.)
THIS is the entire interview. Watch Byrd's body language, reaction, and how carefully he answers questions. (at certain junctures he struggles to NOT divulge too much. Notice also how he tried to back-track on his "Uranium" comment.)
Impressions?
Admiral Byrd led FIVE expeditions to the Antarctica in total. WAS his diary legit? If so, it means our realm is definitely NOT what we've been told.
Byrd: (March 11, 1947)
I have just attended a Staff Meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded...
I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY!!! Incredible! I am reminded that I am a Military Man and I must obey orders.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-26 11:16:41 Reply Private Reply
#13: Liberator To: Lod, Bill D Berger (#3)
Have you guys read any of the above link? (it helps if you are able to dismiss and disregard the entire NASA charade.)
Anyway...Mind-boggling.
So...
ARE the globe-MAPS and its obvious represented "ends" wrong? IS it possible we've been lied to by the PTB?
NO aircraft is allowed to fly directly over the North Pole. THAT is correct and true info.
NO aircraft is allowed to fly over Antarctica (and especially its alleged "Pole".) FACT.
FWIW, I own Giannini's book, "Worlds Beyond the Poles". Some of the content is plausible, some not; Maybe I'll have to review it again and re-examine given the additional corroboration by Byrd and his expeditions.
(I'll comment more in detail later...)
Liberator posted on 2020-01-26 11:26:38 Reply Private Reply
#14: Liberator To: Lod, titorite, Bill D Berger (#6)
The truth?
WE DON'T KNOW.
No independent exploration has been permitted in Antarctica since 1959.
The gummints of the world expect us all to accept what we've been told (sound familiar??)
With respect to "depth," again, NOT KNOWN, no know measurement is possible.
With respect to "Expanding Earth," the extent of our realm is (incredibly) UNKNOWN.
NASA was created in 1958 to help dispel any and all notions and challenges to the Heliocentric model, and of course -- THE spinning "GLOBE".
They took ONE supposed photo of the earth from afar (The famous "EARTHRISE") during FIVE Apollo missions. Again: ONE single photo. THAT alone is beyond conspicuous, isn't it?
Liberator posted on 2020-01-26 11:34:02 Reply Private Reply
#15: Lod To: Liberator (#12)
Any ideas on who/what was/is "the Master?"
Lod posted on 2020-01-26 13:23:01 Reply Private Reply
#16: BTP Holdings To: Liberator (#13)
Then why do the B-52s fly in that area armed with their nuclear cruise missiles? ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-26 16:24:29 Reply Private Reply
#17: Lod To: BTP Holdings (#16)
aviation.stackexchange.co...ss-directly-over-the-pole
Lod posted on 2020-01-26 17:31:27 Reply Private Reply
#18: Esso To: Lod (#9)
Yeah. Now I don't know if the Earth is a double meatball or a double pancake.
Better get Pizza Hut and IHOP on the case ASAP!
Esso posted on 2020-01-26 19:43:00 Reply Private Reply
#19: Liberator To: Lod, Bill D Berger, NeonconsNailed (#15)
I wondered about that as well. Turns out its an English "Honorific Title":
(From Wiki)
"Master":
for boys and young men, or as a style for the heir to a Scottish peerage. It may also be used as a professional title, e.g. for the master of a college or the master of a merchant ship.
(sea captain, ship's captain, captain, master, or shipmaster, is a high-grade licensed mariner who holds ultimate command and responsibility of a merchant vessel.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_honorifics
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 11:26:55 Reply Private Reply
#20: Liberator To: BTP Holdings, Lod, Bill D Berger, NeoconsNailed, (#16)
Key phrase, "in that area".
The Arctic "area" is pretty vast. Yet still, no aircraft flies directly over the pole.
Why not?
The theory is the extreme magnetism emitted from the North Pole Area that could potentially affect electronic instrumentation.
('Aurora Borealis' is a demonstration of charged particles)
OF NOTE:
Polaris, aka "The North Star" is always ascended directly above the North Pole. IT DOES NOT EVER MOVE POSITION.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 11:35:34 Reply Private Reply
#21: Lod To: Liberator (#19)
Richard Evelyn Byrd was born on 25 October 1888 in Winchester, Virginia.
Lod posted on 2020-01-27 11:40:00 Reply Private Reply
#22: Liberator To: Lod (#17)
There were a couple decent explanations...UNTIL I arrived at this blatant disinfo:
"It is possible to fly over South Pole as well. In 1977, PanAm 747Sp flew over South Pole while flying from Sydney to Recife. However, South Pole does not lie on the great circle route for too many points."
Two obvious lies.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 11:41:14 Reply Private Reply
#23: BTP Holdings To: Liberator (#20)
But still the magnetic north pole is not the same as the geographic north pole. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-27 11:43:17 Reply Private Reply
#24: Lod To: Liberator (#20)
True, but supposedly today's GPS is unaffected by magnetism. (This is about to get over my pay grade.)
Lod posted on 2020-01-27 11:43:27 Reply Private Reply
#25: Liberator To: Lod (#21)
Yes, American....
But remember -- Byrd was likely schooled in formal English; If you watched and listened to his Longines interview on his Antarctica missions, His language reflected that.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 11:44:06 Reply Private Reply
#26: Liberator To: Lod (#24)
Heh -- It's already above ALL our "pay grade."
Yet...we'll do the best we can -- which often is MUCH better than The Lab Coats.
From everything I've read -- and yeah, toss Common Sense & Logic into that mix -- it's MAGNETISM issue that prevents North Pole air nav.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 11:47:12 Reply Private Reply
#27: BTP Holdings To: Lod (#24)
GPS is not affected by magnetism since it uses satellites to pinpoint your position on the surface of Earth. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-27 11:47:37 Reply Private Reply
#28: Liberator To: BTP Holdings (#23)
The magnetic North Pole is all that matters on a physical realm and contemporary mapping that is now heavily challenged.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 11:49:15 Reply Private Reply
#29: Liberator To: BTP Holdings, Lod (#27)
a) "Satellites" if anything fly in VERY Low Orbit.
b) Given GPS (of both earthed base and Low Orbit "satellites") pinpoint positioning, we'd have to assume it's far more effective further away from Polar magnetic interference.
(rhetorical): Has anyone actually verified whether GPS works within 50 miles of the magnetic North Pole?
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 11:53:53 Reply Private Reply
#30: Lod To: Liberator, BTP Holdings, 4 (#26)
www.britannica.com/biography/Richard-E-Byrd
Lod posted on 2020-01-27 11:57:53 Reply Private Reply
#31: Lod To: All (#30)
Maybe I don't know how to use GM...
Lod posted on 2020-01-27 12:03:35 Reply Private Reply
#32: Liberator To: Lod, BTP Holdings, Bill D Berger, NeonconsNailed, 4 (#30)
Yup. Byrd was an absolute American legend. The guy was even celebrated down the "Canyon of Heroes" in a ticker-tape parade.
The US military thought so highly of him that he led FIVE expeditions to the Polar regions. (yes, too bad things ended badly/mysteriously.)
(listen briefly to Byrd from 8:07...)
"I think it's important...for us to explore that [Antarctica] area....important for the human race...TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THERE...."
(WE STILL DON'T KNOW. At least 99.9% of us)
**And btw -- WHY explore "Mars" if we still don't really know what lies at the interior of an unexplored Antarctica??**
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 12:19:39 Reply Private Reply
#33: Liberator To: Lod (#31)
Sheeeet.
Just imagine the Google Map SNAFU of Antarctica....
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 12:21:02 Reply Private Reply
#34: Liberator To: Lod, BTP Holdings, Bill D Berger, NeonconsNailed, ALL (#31)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WQTYb36Cew
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 12:26:12 Reply Private Reply
#35: Liberator To: All (#34)
If you notice within the scene -- and just as today -- the Scientists AND Military were joined at the hip.
The Martian "warning" spoke of "primeval slime" that mankind was said to have been borne; IT was and is still advancing the presumptive the Evolution Lie over the Creationist-Biblical Truth.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 12:32:34 Reply Private Reply
#36: Lod To: Liberator (#35)
Lod posted on 2020-01-27 13:08:34 Reply Private Reply
#37: Esso To: Lod (#31)
Maybe because there's no land mass, just ice there?
Esso posted on 2020-01-27 14:17:58 Reply Private Reply
#38: BTP Holdings To: Liberator (#28)
Really? And have you tried to look up any information about how GPS works? ;)
www.quora.com/Does-GPS-us...netic-north-or-true-North
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-27 14:42:05 Reply Private Reply
#39: Liberator To: Lod, James Deffenbach (#36)
Thanks, brutha. I appreciate the kind words and encouragement.
Knowledge is great, knowledge is essential, knowledge is important -- BUT, is Knowledge THE most important thing in our lives? (remember how Eve was convinced by the Serpent that it indeed WAS above all else?)
More than ever these days, I believe we desperately need to share our witnessing for His Word, His Truth. What is more important than that?
As we've grown older, our priorities should change. Whence in youth we are more about ego, reproduction, our life's work, and personal accomplishment; This invariably (should) give way to wisdom, selflessness, and refinement of our faith (and His Truth.)
As we age, many of us also experience the inevitable -- the death of family and close friends. For me personally, the grieving process has especially been challenging -- but heart/spirit changing experience. That's made it a blessing.
The grieving process also underscores how important it is that we understand how relatively brief our "trial period" by our Lord and Creator is -- as well as our respective "mission" it is to understand His Word and/or share our scriptural understanding of His Grace and Gospel *before* our/their "deadline."
As those we love pass on, it is a further critical reminder to do so before those we love and know check out into their "Forever Home." As you know there are no Second Chances.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 15:45:33 Reply Private Reply
#40: Liberator To: Esso, Lod (#37)
Maybe. Maybe not. That's what we've been told, isn't it?
Why should the gummint(s) be relied on to be truthful about that when they obviously are not abut so much?
Esso...IF WE WANTED, the three of us still wouldn't even be able to conduct extensive research and investigation near the magnetic North Pole epicenter either.
Both the Arctic and (especially) Antarctic regions for some reason are considered largely verboten from independent research and exploration.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 16:00:48 Reply Private Reply
#41: Liberator To: BTP Holdings (#38)
Absolutely. (pretty convoluted, ain't it?)
At the Quora link, there are several divergent opinions and theories on just how GPS works. Quite a few from those considered in the "Science" field.
An odd claim has been made with respect to GPS reception in the deeper regions of the Southern Hemisphere. GPS is BLACKED OUT and doesn't work.
One theory/reason: GPS is mostly a land-based phenomena. In the vast stretch of the South Pacific, this claim might be valid.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-27 16:05:25 Reply Private Reply
#42: BTP Holdings To: Liberator (#41)
That might have something to do with the positions of the satellites. ;)
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-01-27 17:33:29 Reply Private Reply
#43: NeoconsNailed To: Liberator (#19)
"I am reminded that I am a Military Man and I must obey orders -- isn't that wonderful? Soldier's honor so often means shutting up about things that have to be crucial to your fellow ameriKans. A bobby-soxer I know married an recruit who 'served' in the War Of Terror. I asked what he reported about his experience. "There's a lot he was ordered to keep silent about," she says in an awed tone.
"War crimes against women and children," I thoughtfully replied. People today don't give a crap whether their kin are war criminals -- if they ever did.
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-01-27 20:29:02 Reply Private Reply
#44: Dakmar To: NeoconsNailed (#43)
Dakmar posted on 2020-01-27 20:52:46 Reply Private Reply
#45: NeoconsNailed To: Dakmar (#44)
www.youtube.com/watch? v=cPCLFtxpadE
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-01-27 21:50:03 Reply Private Reply
#46: Dakmar To: NeoconsNailed (#45)
I woke up as the sun was reddening; and that was the one distinct time in my life, the strangest moment of all, when I didn't know who I was - I was far away from home, haunted and tired with travel, in a cheap hotel room I'd never seen, hearing the hiss of steam outside, and the creak of the old wood of the hotel, and footsteps upstairs, and all the sad sounds, and I looked at the cracked high ceiling and really didn't know who I was for about fifteen strange seconds. I wasn't scared; I was just somebody else, some stranger, and my whole life was a haunted life, the life of a ghost. ― Jack Kerouac, On the Road
Dakmar posted on 2020-01-27 22:02:40 Reply Private Reply
#47: Lod To: Dakmar, NeoconsNailed, Uncle Bill, Straight Gate, Cyni, Esso, 4 (#46)
Lod posted on 2020-01-27 22:25:38 Reply Private Reply
#48: NeoconsNailed To: Dakmar (#46)
Putting it in the first person now
www.youtube.com/watch? v=TlHaX55wG0Y
I hate the Cher-monster, but (am I repeating myself again) just looooooove her original Bang Bang record -- think it's a big little masterpiece, really do.
Are you a Beat or Kerouac fan? I'm not, but a great deal of my fave music embodies it. Sounds like the author was really stuck outside of Mobile with the Memphis blues again ;)
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-01-28 00:17:39 Reply Private Reply
#49: NeoconsNailed To: Lod (#47)
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-01-28 00:57:34 Reply Private Reply
#50: Lod To: NeoconsNailed (#49)
Lod posted on 2020-01-28 07:14:34 Reply Private Reply
#51: NeoconsNailed To: Lod (#50)
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-01-28 09:31:15 Reply Private Reply
#52: Liberator To: BTP Holdings (#42)
OR...not.
Hard to stick towers with dishes to depths of 18,000 ft the middle of the South Pacific. ;-)
Liberator posted on 2020-01-28 10:38:17 Reply Private Reply
#53: Liberator To: Lod, NeoconsNailed, Uncle Bill, Cynicom, Esso, BTP Holdings, 4 (#47)
Whoa...
I guess this thread got slightly derailed off course...
(I'll post a Monkees video or photo of Helen Thomas if that helps da cause)
;-)
Liberator posted on 2020-01-28 10:42:14 Reply Private Reply
#54: Liberator To: Dakmar (#44)
Better in color...
Liberator posted on 2020-01-28 10:44:13 Reply Private Reply
#55: Liberator To: Lod, Bill D Berger (#15)
I'm re-reading some of Amadeo Giannini's book ('Worlds Beyond The Poles')...
He points out yet another theoretical definition or context of "Master" as Byrd mentioned the word.
"Master-Builder" -- as in, God.
Liberator posted on 2020-01-28 10:51:26 Reply Private Reply